drered:
I can see you're a slow one. My argument remains one and the same.

Typical. When you have no point, revert back to insults ...lol. I'm not surprised. All mighty intelligent one indeed...lmao! Joker

HaneefahRN:


What's wt the seek help from a nurse henceforth? Every member of the health team has his duties and responsibilites wc is as important as d other. What the JOHESU is fighting against is marginalization of every other health worker. There has always been a relativity btw pay of Drs to other health workers due to more yrs spent in sch. A graduate nurse has to work for close to 10yrs b4 earning d salary of a HO, an intern Dr. The Drs are knwn to always fight ford their rights esp when it has to do wt salaries, then they start pokenosing into JOHESU's affairs, telling d govt what to give other prpfessionals and what nt to. They av easy ability to manipulate since they av succesfully manipulated all top positions for themselves, CMD, commisioner for health, minister for health and all. They are d policy makers and always seem to favor Drs forgetting other professionals in d health team. I watched a proceeding in d senate on hw to improve d health sector, all what they were raising was hw to make Drs more comfortable because Drs are many admist them.

Nursing studts av been crying and agitating for internship for yrs bt who cares? They ain't medical studts afterall. Nurses aren't allowed to perform their duties in hospitals, medical studts must learn afterall, nurses want a unified scheme, who business, let's be at par wt other professionals, are u Drs?

But when Johesu crys out, they are quick to shout they are feeling inferior, go back and write jamb, who do u go to see when u go to a hospital and other stupid points. The health system needs a total overhaul, these selfishness and pettiness av to stop!

You don't seem to have gotten the context I based my comment on. Try and read the post I quoted again and know why I made that comment.
But you are wrong dear. EVeryone in the health sector is important but not equally. Doctors can easily do what Nurses do but definitely not while on the ward working as a doctor and can very well dispense drugs like a pharmacist does. Most of the lab procedures are well taught in medical school. In fact, we have had to reject some result interpretations as brought from laboratories on many occasions.

JOHESU don't only cry when they want to go on strike. They also cry on the wards, in the form of Nurses just to show their deep seated hatred and jealousy

AreaFada2:


I'm not a jambite.

I have people in 9ja healthcare system. Since over 50 years!

I'm in the system too, albeit in a different country.

Are Nigerian Doctors well paid?

Can Johesu seek what they need without asking about how much DOctors earn?

Should admin staff in hospitals expect better pay than admin staff elsewhere just because they work within the same walls as Doctors? WHat is wrong is having these people compare themselves with Dr.s all the time. It doesn,t make sense. The jealousy is debilitating and affects how we do our job.

drered:
Kindly provide a link to Obama's speech.

Well, I watched that on TV when he made Dr.
Olufunmilayo Falusi Olopade a member, National
Cancer Advisory Board.

I you want links on how Nigerian doctors are in their numbers and are important to US health, these are some.

77% of black doctors in USA are Nigerians
http://www.punchng.com/health/77-of-black-doctors-in-us-are-nigerians-reps-committee/

https://www.nairaland.com/885316/77-black-doctors-us-nigerians

Over 10,000 Nigerian doctors are in USA http://businessdayonline.com/2014/10/over-10000-nigerian-doctors-in-us/

http://www.financialnigeria.com/meet-world-s-only-combined-heart-and-kidney-specialist-doctor-interview-24.html

Just to enlighten you a bit, we are all learning. You can just use Google.

Lol. Nd for the MD'S saying doctors and 'paramedics' should never earn the same thing. Jokes on you. Your benefits pales to the benefits pharmacists gets in agencies like NAFDAC.

lolaed:
For those who may not Understand, let me explain what JOHESU means to you.

The nurses(who spent three years in Nursing school. A few of them got part-time Bsc. )
The ward orderlies(in other words, messangers, secondary school leaving certificate holders)
Admin staff(who literally spend half of the day gossiping at their desks)
Technicians(who fix the bulbs and other hospital property)

but also,
the microbiologists, lab scientists, and the most pathetic of all, pharmacists.


Their agitation is that the Doctors get better paid than them. But, listen again, and think about it. Can all the afore mentioned people be paid the same amount of money?

Interestingly, pharmacists get paid almost as much as the Doctors. But the truth is that Doctors work all day long and as well do calls. whereas they shift their own services and what do Pharmacists do in hospitals? They DISPENSE drugs. Their mates in other countries manufacture drugs for the populace..but they ONLY dispense the drugs a Doctor must have prescribed for a patient. Most of these microbiologists and pharmacists chose medicine as their first choice courses but were given these courses of study. of course, logically there is a difference.

the level of expertise, the amount of mental input and the amount of workload have great effects. How can any of these, educated people not understand and think every managerial problem they have has to be against the Doctors.

Pharmacists forming a union with these other people irks me. they have thrown their profession to the dogs. and no, it is completely absurd for a ward orderly to want the same salary level as a Doctor and for pharmacists and lab workers to join in such ridiculous agitations.

These people are only trying to sabotage tthe Federal Government and should be dealt with accordingly.

God bless you. Though I disagree with some of your assertions. I know very commited lab scientists, pharmacists, nurses and more that take their work seriously. Its not all of them. There are also drs that are terrible with their jobs too so lets not go down that line. That aside, The funny thing is there is even a whole lot of dis unity within their unionism that d public isn't even aware of. Or u think medical lab scientists won't protest about salary increase if the salaries of lab technicians starts getting closer to theirs?

gearcoin:

Oga stop misleading people. You are a liar. No body is complaining about basic salary.those medical doctors cheated other paramedic in allowances. Imaging giviñg paramedic 20 to 23k as call allowance compare to 60 to 65 k for doctors call allowance. That is a great injustice.
The major problem of you people is that you always look down on paramedics.
Remember am talking with experience. I see it by myself.
Imaging hearing doctors telling radiographer that what they know is to snap picture, pharmacy as drug counter.

Call allowance is paid per call. So the more calls you do, the higher your pay. Doctors get a stipend for call allowance even at that. Don't let people feed you with all sorts of info, learn to dig the truth yourself. Have a nice day, thanks.

just like hnd/bsc issue, until other paramedics are good enough to be minister for health, hnd holders for education, Nigeria can never get it right in these two sectors.
Those always at the point of policy making are doctors and bsc holders only, tell me why or how any of their action would not be perceived to be biased either rightly or wrongly by the victims.

sarzy:


Bros, here's the thing. Nigerian doctors are good, no doubt. They are well trained. But they are very negligent in practice here in Nigeria. When they get abroad, they dare not try the nonsense they try here. They know it!

BTW, don't believe what Obama said o. You know why? America has doctors from all over the world. Do you now the number of physicians who sit for USMLE annually and get rejected? So many Nigerian doctors still apply year and get turned down. Same with other countries. The country that pays doctors the highest salary is Australia. So if Naija doctors leave America, new ones go fill the space sharp sharp. Many doctors are scrambling for spaces there o.

Yh, there are cases of negligence in Nigeria and in every part of the world.
There are also many Nigerian doctors who work hard and are full of empathy and compassion but nobody talks about them in the news or elsewhere. It is only when a case of supposed negligence is raised (which may be true or just mischief) that everyone withdraws his/her axe and begin to ax all docs, including those who are selfless.

lolaed:


You don't seem to have gotten the contest I based my comment on. Try and read the post I quoted again and know why I made that comment.
But you are wrong dear. EVeryone in the health sector is important but not equally. Doctors can easily do what Nurses do but definitely not while on the ward working as a doctor and can very well dispense drugs like a pharmacist does. Most of the lab procedures are well taught in medical school. In fact, we have had to reject some result interpretations as brought from laboratories on many occasions.

JOHESU don't only cry when they want to go on strike. They also cry on the wards, in the form of Nurses just to show their deep seeted hatred and jealousy

Lolz, and u think u only av d monopoly of knowledge? It might be illegal bt they can do it and well at tht.

I know u hate or dislike nurses cos u seem to bring them up often. What's wt d jealousy, nt everyone is interested in being called Dr, I myt be jealous of d money sha. Most nurses I knw work well wt Drs unless d Dr starts being arrogant, like some tht sees every other professional as inferior, u probably av tht attitude too. I work in environments where Drs and nurses relate very well, only the arrogant ones claim some pple are being jealous or whatever. U dnt expect to treat someone like dirt and tht person wld smile at u?

I dnt always support Johesu bt I support tht d maginalization shld stop. I think they shld ask for what they want wtout bringing Drs in, bt Drs av brought themslves in already. Johesu asked for skipping 10 wc is normal and has been won, Drs say the govt must nt cos it'll affect relativity, while they start off from 13, then u claim Johesu is selfish, jealous and want to compare themselves wt Drs, who are d selfish ones here? There shld be an overhaul and all unions brought together to table to trash things out and resolve issues, d insanity is getting too much and productivity is affected.

drered:
According to what I read a while ago. The ratio is 10/8.7 and is based on the extra year MD'S spend in school. 6 +x Years as against 5 +x years..

That ratio is widely accepted. But what is obtainable now is ratio 4 to 1

otswag:
God bless you. Though I disagree with some of your assertions. I know very commited lab scientists, pharmacists, nurses and more that take their work seriously. Its not all of them. There are also drs that are terrible with their jobs too so lets not go down that line. That aside, The funny thing is there is even a whole lot of dis unity within their unionism that d public isn't even aware of. Or u think medical lab scientists won't protest about salary increase if the salaries of lab technicians starts getting closer to theirs?

I didn't mean to say they are all bad. You are right, JOHESU should not have existed in the first place

Ebimablog:
That did not in any way address the issue raised

a "thanks" would have sufficed madam!

DrAdonis:


Yh, there are cases of negligence in Nigeria and in every part of the world.
There are also many Nigerian doctors who work hard and are full of empathy and compassion but nobody talks about them in the news or elsewhere. It is only when a case of supposed negligence is raised (which may be true or just mischief) that everyone withdraws his/her axe and begin to ax all docs, including those who are selfless.

Brother, you are very correct, objective and mature. (Unlike datigbogirl). But the thing is this: when you do what you are expected to do, it shouldn't make news. Only law breaking events should make news. The only time doing the right thing should make news is when it becomes extraordinary. If you practise your medicine the way it should be, without being negligent; no one should blow any trumpet about it. We are humans, not animals; hence we are expected to do the right thing. Do you know why some people still think GEJ should be praised for conceding defeat? Because he simply did the right thing. And it happens in every sector, not only in medicine. When any civil servant keeps doing right things, no one makes noise. If a catholic priest is found in a hotel with on slut now, do you know it can make global headlines? But how many times has it made headlines that a priest lived his entire life as a celibate? Personally, I have met good Nigerian doctors and people appreciate and talk about them. It doesn't have to become news.

But I have been to hospitals within Nigeria and abroad. I can assure you that negligence in Nigeria hospitals in more than in other countries- as least, the ones I have visited.

KingTom:
abeg leave me I dey try settle Peter and Paul

Wetin concern me with those ones?

Abi them call me when them they chop their millions?

HaneefahRN:


What's wt the seek help from a nurse henceforth? Every member of the health team has his duties and responsibilites wc is as important as d other. What the JOHESU is fighting against is marginalization of every other health worker. There has always been a relativity btw pay of Drs to other health workers due to more yrs spent in sch. A graduate nurse has to work for close to 10yrs b4 earning d salary of a HO, an intern Dr. The Drs are knwn to always fight ford their rights esp when it has to do wt salaries, then they start pokenosing into JOHESU's affairs, telling d govt what to give other prpfessionals and what nt to. They av easy ability to manipulate since they av succesfully manipulated all top positions for themselves, CMD, commisioner for health, minister for health and all. They are d policy makers and always seem to favor Drs forgetting other professionals in d health team. I watched a proceeding in d senate on hw to improve d health sector, all what they were raising was hw to make Drs more comfortable because Drs are many admist them.

Nursing studts av been crying and agitating for internship for yrs bt who cares? They ain't medical studts afterall. Nurses aren't allowed to perform their duties in hospitals, medical studts must learn afterall, nurses want a unified scheme, who business, let's be at par wt other professionals, are u Drs?

But when Johesu crys out, they are quick to shout they are feeling inferior, go back and write jamb, who do u go to see when u go to a hospital and other stupid points. The health system needs a total overhaul, these selfishness and pettiness av to stop!

You're intelligent so don't do this.
The problem graduate nurses have in Nigeria is mainly from the leaders of your professional body who started their careers without degrees. They're the ones in antagonism of service improvement for graduate nurses because they feel "these small children will start earning close to our salary now and start doing shakara".

HaneefahRN:


Lolz, and u think u only av d monopoly of knowledge? It might be illegal bt they can do it and well at tht.
.

No. They can't do it. And I am saying this from experience . I remember the case of a Matron who was asking a HO to administer an antihypertensive to a stroke patient with high BP. Of course to her, the BP had to come down. But,a medical Dr knows that the high BP was important in keeping that particular pt alive.
This I-also-know syndrome in Nurses in needs to be curbed. Everyone should understand their boundaries and stay at their own lane.

I know u hate or dislike nurses cos u seem to bring them up often. What's wt d jealousy, nt everyone is interested in being called Dr, I myt be jealous of d money sha. Most nurses I knw work well wt Drs unless d Dr starts being arrogant, like some tht sees every other professional as inferior, u probably av tht attitude too. I work in environments where Drs and nurses relate very well, only the arrogant ones claim some pple are being jealous or whatever. U dnt expect to treat someone like dirt and tht person wld smile at u?

I work well with respectable nurses but I ensure boundaries when their attitude start to affect my job.I don't hate nurses. Maybe some like you have a good self esteem but some others would rather be called Doctors.

I dnt always support Johesu bt I support tht d maginalization shld stop. I think they shld ask for what they want wtout bringing Drs in, bt Drs av brought themslves in already. Johesu asked for skipping 10 wc is normal and has been won, Drs say the govt must nt cos it'll affect relativity, while they start off from 13, then u claim Johesu is selfish, jealous and want to compare themselves wt Drs, who are d selfish ones here? There shld be an overhaul and all unions brought together to table to trash things out and resolve issues, d insanity is getting too much and productivity is affected

Of course, boundaries exist in the world for a purpose. But nobody should go about acting like we are the reason for their problems. Accept what your profession or level offers and have contentment or go get higher degrees. It is the simple truth.

The solution would be for the government to outsource the other Johesu members apart from the Nurses.

drered:
What points? What lies? Where and Whem did JOHESU state MD'S don't deserve what they got..?

Please go and read the opening post and stop ranting ignorantly.

DrAdonis:


Call allowance is paid per call. So the more calls you do, the higher your pay. Doctors get a stipend for call allowance even at that. Don't let people feed you with all sorts of info, learn to dig the truth yourself. Have a nice day, thanks.

Please read my post again. I am proud to be one of paramedic , I did call than most of the house officer. Infact , i expose to hazard than most of those doctors . Imaging house officer having a huge allowance compare to their fellow paramedics health team. This is injustice.

lolaed:


Are Nigerian Doctors well paid?

Can Johesu seek what they need without asking about how much DOctors earn?

Should admin staff in hospitals expect better pay than admin staff elsewhere just because they work within the same walls as Doctors? WHat is wrong is having these people compare themselves with Dr.s all the time. It doesn,t make sense. The jealousy is debilitating and affects how we do our job.

True that any incessant disagreement is bad for heath care delivery. Doctors are also not paid that well compared to many countries.

But see it this way too. It is also in doctors' interest that everyone gets a fair pay, including JOHESU. But naturally, human wants are insatiable.

I guess the bad blood stems from the perception that doctor influence healthcare pay to their own advantage.

Here in UK, junior doctors do most of the work. Consultants are very few around during odd hours & weekend. Yet junior docs payment is fairly low.

Still, a house officer gets £30k just starting off and a nurse gets about £23/25k starting off.

Some so called junior doctors (with up to 15 years postgrad experience & registrar level) get up to 45/50k or more per year.

But striking now sometimes for more pay.

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francizy:


Wetin concern me with those ones?

Abi them call me when them they chop their millions?

as e no concern you na so Johesu no concern me Dem wan strike So make me too follow strike

DrAdonis:


Call allowance is paid per call. So the more calls you do, the higher your pay. Doctors get a stipend for call allowance even at that. Don't let people feed you with all sorts of info, learn to dig the truth yourself. Have a nice day, thanks.

don't mind the mumu 60-65k does he know what General Hospital pays Iffa see 60-65k per call based on the hours I've put in for 8 years how much I for Don make today

KingTom:
as e no concern you na so Johesu no concern me Dem wan strike So make me too follow strike

Hehehehehehehehe! But all I read on here is how they measure up to doctors and how they should earn as much as you guys...

So na your business!

Btw, no wonder whenever my bro employ lab scientists and nurses, them go just dey work with vexation.. Omo see canned beef!

razortruth:
I am not a doctor nor a nurse but i know by experience that a patient's life is safer in the hands and care of nurses than all those lazy and quack doctors in all the teaching hospitals in nigeria. A lot of people have died and still dying because of carelessness of these doctors who cant even practice abroad because their licences will be seized and litigation by patients will send them to jail. Local champions

it's a pity u said all these, next time you are need medical treatments....if I see u in my office or any Doctors office I will send you out....go and meet a cleaner or nurse

Topic-Johessu to embark on nationwide strike.
see comments
my points- Johessu should learn to make their demands without attacking Doctors, just like NMA has learnt to make demands without ever memtioning Johessu or any affliate of them

lolaed:
For those who may not Understand, let me explain what JOHESU means to you.

The nurses(who spent three years in Nursing school. A few of them got part-time Bsc. )
The ward orderlies(in other words, messangers, secondary school leaving certificate holders)
Admin staff(who literally spend half of the day gossiping at their desks)
Technicians(who fix the bulbs and other hospital property)

but also,
the microbiologists, lab scientists, and the most pathetic of all, pharmacists.


Their agitation is that the Doctors get better paid than them. But, listen again, and think about it. Can all the afore mentioned people be paid the same amount of money?

Interestingly, pharmacists get paid almost as much as the Doctors. But the truth is that Doctors work all day long and as well do calls. whereas they shift their own services and what do Pharmacists do in hospitals? They DISPENSE drugs. Their mates in other countries manufacture drugs for the populace..but they ONLY dispense the drugs a Doctor must have prescribed for a patient. Most of these microbiologists and pharmacists chose medicine as their first choice courses but were given these courses of study. of course, logically there is a difference.

the level of expertise, the amount of mental input and the amount of workload have great effects. How can any of these, educated people not understand and think every managerial problem they have has to be against the Doctors.

Pharmacists forming a union with these other people irks me. they have thrown their profession to the dogs. and no, it is completely absurd for a ward orderly to want the same salary level as a Doctor and for pharmacists and lab workers to join in such ridiculous agitations.

These people are only trying to sabotage tthe Federal Government and should be dealt with accordingly.

You're a dolt and don't take it as an insult because it is what you really are. That being said I'll correct some few assertions in the interest of the public. B. SC nurses are part of JOHESU. Nd the fact that you don't get the reason for the agitation has nullified every other point you've tried to make. Johesu isn't agitating for the same pay as doctors. They want relativity to be mantained and the margin gap reduced to what it was. Now you call other professionals mediocre for joining forces with mere lab technicians and the rest.. There was once relative unity in the health sector until doctors decided to form the nma with dentist to push for better pay and welfare effectively ignoring other members of the healthcare team. Now they chose to join forces and ensure every other person is duly represented and that's an issue for you. You see your god complex reeks from the hight heavens thinking you're better than everyone else and anything but you is sub. Another point you raised is pharmacists just dispense drugs. Yes. PHARMACIST WORKING IN HOSPITALS DISPENSE medicines but when they decided to do something about it by running the pharm. D programme that makes their practise much more clinically oriented. Who kicked against it? DOCTORS. So shut your hypocritical mouth and take the clog off your eyes. See you vibrating and spitting venom like you're making sense. Smh

*sighs* i hope they don't lock up hospital equipment and wards this time around. the best thing is to privatize our hospitals..

francizy:



Hehehehehehehehe! But all I read on here is how they measure up to doctors and how they should earn as much as you guys...

So na your business!

Btw, no wonder whenever my bro employ lab scientists and nurses, them go just dey work with vexation.. Omo see canned beef!

They have a point though I mean most of them went to school for four years just like other civil servants while we did 6 years (some 8 sef EY things) so why shouldn't they skip grade 10 i mean they are more important than other civil servants na, imagine a whole Biochemist after Four long years of school being compared to an ordinary Mass communication graduate, why should they be on the same level why should they when they both did 4 years in Uni who are these ones to compare themselves with the almighty JOHESU abeg make Una increase their money jare and even those my strong nurses who insult me every time I tell them to attend to a patient please increase theirs too what rubbish! How dare you people allow them to be in level 10 if possible skip to level 13 sef can you imagine nonsense. After 4 years










Sarcasm

lolaed:
For those who may not Understand, let me explain what JOHESU means to you.

The nurses(who spent three years in Nursing school. A few of them got part-time Bsc. )
The ward orderlies(in other words, messangers, secondary school leaving certificate holders)
Admin staff(who literally spend half of the day gossiping at their desks)
Technicians(who fix the bulbs and other hospital property)

but also,
the [/b]microbiologists[b], lab scientists, and the most pathetic of all, pharmacists.


Their agitation is that the Doctors get better paid than them. But, listen again, and think about it. Can all the afore mentioned people be paid the same amount of money?

Interestingly, pharmacists get paid almost as much as the Doctors. But the truth is that Doctors work all day long and as well do calls. [/b]whereas they shift their own services[b] and what do Pharmacists do in hospitals? They DISPENSE drugs. Their mates in other countries manufacture drugs for the populace..but they ONLY dispense the drugs a Doctor must have prescribed for a patient. Most of these microbiologists and pharmacists chose medicine as their first choice courses but were given these courses of study. of course, logically there is a difference.

the level of expertise, the amount of mental input and the amount of workload have great effects. How can any of these, educated people not understand and think every managerial problem they have has to be against the Doctors.

Pharmacists forming a union with these other people irks me. they have thrown their profession to the dogs. and no, it is completely absurd for a ward orderly to want the same salary level as a Doctor and for pharmacists and lab workers to join in such ridiculous agitations.

These people are only trying to sabotage tthe Federal Government and should be dealt with accordingly.

The above shows how ignorant u r. Microbiologist don't work in a hospital. The ppl u call microbiologist are basically Medical Laboratory Scientists

And Besides not only Dr's do calls; Pharmacists, Physiotherapists, and Medical Laboratory Scientists also do calls

And thirdly, u didn't read thoroughly in the article that there's a court ruling to their favour as to their renumeration

Stop acting ignorantly if you don't know what to say use Google, it's ur friend anytime anyday anywhere

nelszx:


The above shows how ignorant u r. Microbiologist don't work in a hospital. The ppl u call microbiologist are basically Medical Laboratory Scientists

And Besides not only Dr's do calls; Pharmacists, Physiotherapists, and Medical Laboratory Scientists also do calls

And thirdly, u didn't read thoroughly in the article that there's a court ruling to their favour as to their renumeration

Stop acting ignorantly if you don't know what to say use Google, it's ur friend anytime anyday anywhere

the microbiologist part is a mistake.lol
U dont need to av a high Bp on that.
and d shift part was about pharmacists. My post is more about Johesu as a whole and my disappointment with Pharmacists in particular

Still, a house officer gets £30k just starting off and a nurse gets about £23/25k starting off.