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dolphinheart:
Questions sir.
1).Pls can you elaborate on the statement "jesus is the image and personification of God"?

2.)is the "word" in john 1:1 the holy spirit ?

3) what is a God?
4) who is the almighty God?

MrPresident1:
1. God is eternally invisible, Jesus is his physical manifestation because all the powers and attributes of God have been invested in Him. So Jesus is the image of the invisible God. Colossians 1:15, Colossians 2:9. By investing all the power of the Godhead in Jesus Christ, Jesus is God.

2. Yes. the Word in John 1:1 is the Holy spirit. The Holy spirit is the Word of God. Jesus Christ is the Word of God. Revelations 9:13

3. What is a God? expatiate please.

4. Who the Almighty God is? Job 11:7, 1 Timothy 1:17. This question has ramifications beyond the scope of the highest levels of human comprehension. Fearing the Almighty God, therefore, is your entire duty.

Thsuperiorman:
Here is what I mean: If it is possible that an entity (God) COULD be self existent what logical reason could there be that other existences that evolved couldn't possess the same characteristic?

I think if there is an existence that has always existed then there could be other existences too that could have always existed which makes the possibility of a universe that have always existed a factual theory based on your analogy and consequently provides 2 concrete theories that oppose each other from your perspective.

1. The universe couldn't have always existed therefore
2. A creator (God (who have always existed)) must have created it

Don't give me Bible excerpts... That was written and edited by men who claim voices they heard in their heads were from a god. Give me evidences not faith-based theories that couldn't be any less made up than other religions

Thsuperiorman:
Isn't that just too easy, you talk your way out of having to provide a rational argument by just decreeing BY FAITH that God simply declares himself outside of time and therefore doesn't need the same kind of argument as anything else. If you're convinced by that kind of nonsense, you're welcome.

Thsuperiorman:
Not having a good reason to believe in a god is a sin? Holy cow! Not believing in Sango must be a sin too.

OLAADEGBU:
Here is the evidence that Jesus is God with a capital "G" who created all things.

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."

The simple logic of this verse can be summed up as thus:

THE WORD = GOD

In John 1:14 it states:

"The Word became flesh, and dwelt among us."

From these verses we can deduce the following:

JESUS = THE WORD

If A = B and

B = C  then

A = C.

Then,

JESUS = THE WORD and

THE WORD = GOD,

therefore:

JESUS = GOD

If you contend that John 1:1 should be translated as "The Word was a god," and not "The Word was God." And if you are arguing that since theos (the Greek word for God) is preceded by the definite article (the) when it first appears in the verse, and the second time it appears it is not preceded by the definite article, then will be justified for translating the last part of John 1:1 "the Word was a god," because God appears without the definite article.  And you claim that John 1:1 does not say anything about Jesus' identity (i.e,  that He is God), but refers to a quality about Him.  There are, however, no reputable authorities or translations that support your JW translation of this verse.  In fact, your NWT has caused considerable outrage among Greek scholars because it is a major distortion of the text.

We are not surprised that the JW's don't even play by their own rules, it is inconsistently applied throughout your NWT.  Theos appears 6 times without the definite article in the first 18 verses of John's gospel (1,6,12,13 and twice in 18).  Yet, in the NWT, it is rendered God (referring to Jehovah), not a god, in each instance except for the last clause of 1:1, when it refers to Jesus! Do you see your inconsistencies?

To remain consistent, the JW's must hold that verse 6 should read:

"There arose a man that was sent forth as a representative of a god,"

that verse 12 should read:

"to become a god's children," and so on.

If you observe carefully you will note that the absence of the definite article does not refer to someone other than the true God.  The scholarly Arndt and Gingrich Greek Lexicon, p. 357, states that theos is used "quite predominantly of the true God, sometimes with, sometimes without, the article."

OLAADEGBU:
All your ramblings did not solve any question. Let me take you up on Colossian 1:15 that is bolded above, even though your colleagues have failed to answer this same question.

"Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light: Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son: In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins: Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones or dominions or principalities or powers:  all things were created by him, and for him. And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.."  (Colossians 1:12-17).

Now let's focus on Colossians 1:15:

Does Colossians 1:15 highligted above teach that Jesus was created?

You will see here that Jesus is called the "first-born" of all creation.   The term "first-born" here does not imply "first-created" those two words mean two different things.   

You can see from the following points that Paul was not teaching that Jesus was created and he was definitely not saying that He was the firstborn of all creation: 

Birth and creation are not equivalent terms.  For example, the Bible teaches that Jesus was born of a virgin, but this does not mean that Jesus was created the day He was born of Virgin Mary and since birth and creation happen at different times, they cannot mean the same thing.

There are two different Greek words for "first-born" and "first-created" and Paul used the word which means "first-born" not "first-created"

Paul was not teaching that Jesus Christ is a created being because he further taught that Jesus Christ was really the Creator of all things.  If all things were created by Christ, He  cannot be created, otherwise there is something that Christ did not create and this verse would be in error when it states that Christ created all things.

Hebrews 1:10 and John 1:3 confirms that:

The Lord Jesus Christ is the Creator of everything that has been created and thus He must not be created, but God.

What does the title "first-born" mean?

Read what reputable Bible scholars say:

"This title refers to Christ's preeminent position and sovereignty over creation, not that He Himself is a part of creation.  In the Old Testament, the first-born had certain rights and a certain status, such as preeminence, a double share of the inheritance, the right of the priesthood, and supremacy.  And it can be distinctly seen from Genesis 49:3 that the meaning "priority of birth" or in "in time" has been overshadowed and even sometimes lost to the implication of the term meaning "supremacy" or "preeminence."  In other words, one does not have to have been "born first" to be called "first-born" because the term's primary meaning came to be "preeminence" and "supremacy," sometimes with nothing to do about birth."

When Paul calls Jesus the first-born, He is saying that Jesus has all the rights of the first-born and that He has the first-born status of supremacy and preeminence.  When Paul adds that He is the first-born of all creation, He is merely specifying what Christ's preeminence (i.e., His first-born status) applies to -- namely, all creation.

Furthermore, this passage clearly teaches Christ's deity.  Since the Uncreated Creator alone created all things (Isaiah 44:24; Hebrews 3:4), and Colossians tells us that Christ is the Creator, we can then conclude that Jesus is the Uncreated Creator.

Other Bible scholars have demonstrated that the word "born" does not mean to be "created" when we look at it from Jesus' title "Son of God."  Don't misconstrue this to mean that Jesus Christ must have come into existence at some point and that He is less than God, thinking that He is the Son of God, and not God, in just the same way that a human son comes into existence after their human father.  This might sound plausible at first, but upon proper observation it becomes clear that this cannot be the case. The Bible is very clear in defining the title Son of God" to mean that Jesus is of the same nature as God, just like a child is of the same nature as their parent.  And if Jesus Christ has God's nature, then He is, by definition, God, and therefore without a beginning.

OLAADEGBU:
Here some pertinent questions for you JW's to ponder on as to the nature of our Lord Jesus Christ:

"You are my witnesses, says the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that you may know and believe  me, and understand that I am He: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after Me.  I, even I, am the LORD; and beside Me there is no saviour," (Isaiah 43:10,11).

Is God the Saviour of the world?

If you study this verse I quoted above objectively, you will discover the following:
 
There always has been and always will be only one true God.

There is no Saviour of the world except for this one true God.

Therefore, the Saviour of the world must be the one true God.

This leads to another question:

Is Jesus the Saviour of the world?

I do not think that anyone who has read the New Testament would dispute this.  Even your favourite version of the Bible refers to Jesus as the Saviour: "and of the Saviour of us, Christ Jesus" --Titus 2:13.

Therefore, since:

The one true God is the only Saviour of the world (Isaiah 43:10,11), and

Jesus is the Saviour of the world (Titus 2:13; 2 Peter 1:1),

Jesus must therefore be the one true God.

To deny that Jesus is the one true God, one would either have to deny that Jesus is the Saviour, or say that God is lying to us in Isaiah 43:11.  Neither alternative fits with Scripture.

Does Titus 2:13 teach that Jesus is God our Saviour?

In Titus 2:13 it states the following:

"Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ; Who gave Himself for us, that He might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify to Himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works."

Paul is here through the inspiration of the Holy Spirit stating clearly that it is Jesus who is our great God and Saviour unless you are disputing this fact.

AdeniyiA:
Seun is Osewa,
Seyi(seun's son) is also Osewa.
so,
Jehovah is God.
Jesus is also God.
Adeniyi is also a god.

All children of God have "God" as their adoptive surname.

udatso:
Chai.. ..Are all these different views inspired by the Holy Spirit ?

OLAADEGBU:
Is Jesus really God? There are many cults and false religions today that deny it. What is the truth about Jesus Christ? We turn to the Scriptures for the answer.

Is Jesus really God? There are many cults and false religions today that deny it. The Jehovah’s Witnesses, for example, believe Jesus was created by the Father billions of years ago as the Archangel Michael and is hence a "lesser god" than the Father. The Mormons say Jesus was born as the first and greatest spirit child of the Heavenly Father and heavenly mother, and was the spirit-brother of Lucifer. New Agers claim Jesus was an enlightened master. Unitarian Universalists say Jesus was just a good moral teacher. What is the truth about Jesus Christ? We turn to the Scriptures for the answer.

https://answersingenesis.org/jesus-christ/jesus-is-god/is-jesus-god/

OLAADEGBU:
Ye shall know the truth and the truth shall make you free. If the Son shall make you free you will be free indeed.

aminusanti:
If he is God pls xplain dis. Thnk u

Mar 12:29 ....The Lord our God is one Lord....

aminusanti:
If he is God pls xplain dis. Thnk u

Mar 12:29 ....The Lord our God is one Lord....

Church made up:
God exists as three persons

aminusanti:
If he is God pls xplain dis. Thnk u

Joh 20:17 .....I ascend unto my Father, and your Father....

Church made up:
Jesus is the only son of God

aminusanti:
If he is God pls xplain dis. Thnk u

OLAADEGBU:
Explain what?

johnw74:
And Jesus Christ is called Lord many times:
Act_7:59 And they stoned Stephen, calling upon God, and saying, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.




Yes three persons, not three Lord's, but one Lord-God.





Jesus is the only begotten son of God:
Joh_3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

OLAADEGBU:
You still haven't asked anything. Ask and ye shall receive.

aminusanti:
Pls stop lying to urself mr man

johnw74:
And Jesus Christ is called Lord many times:
Act_7:59 And they stoned Stephen, calling upon God, and saying, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.




Yes three persons, not three Lord's, but one Lord-God.





Jesus is the only begotten son of God:
Joh_3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

and what happened to the first question? No clue?
Lol

johnw74:
Truly, Jesus Christ is called Lord many times in the Bible.

Truly, the Church does refer to three persons and not three lords.

Truly, Jesus is the only begotten Son of God.

You are typical false accuser, just like the devil.







There is nothing wrong with the first verse, "the Father is greater than the I" - "the Father is greater than the Son", and there is nothing wrong with any Bible verse, I replied to a few instances of how you are wrong.

aminusanti:
Still arguing? I pray may God dash u common sense if even with these crystal clear contradictions yet you are still commenting without realizing. U guys are not jesus follower at all but followers of mathew, mark, john......nd mind u dis contradictions and lies are endless in your novel book..

aminusanti:
Still arguing? I pray may God dash u common sense if even with these crystal clear contradictions yet you are still commenting without realizing. U guys are not jesus follower at all but followers of mathew, mark, john......nd mind u dis contradictions and lies are endless in your novel book..

Jessicha:
but remember the pic u upload about what Jesus taught vs what the church assumes , do you ? that should tell u that this church people that made this things up ain't following the Bible .

before u criticize the bible or Jesus apostles , pls and pls remember it never taught the doctrine of three gods nicknamed Trinity . Bible made it clear times without number that Jesus is under the authority of Jehovah God his father [1 cor 11:3] and that Jesus Have a God - John 20:17

johnw74:
God's Church never taught a doctrine of three gods nicknamed Trinity either.

You sound like a supposed Jehovahs Witness, who are not, and do lie, and are among the church of satan.

Have a look at yourself here:
www.jwfacts.com

And learn something here:
https://carm.org/essential-doctrines-of-christianity

Jessicha:
people like you are best "handed over to Satan that " you "may be taught by DISCIPLINE not to blaspheme" - 1 Tim 1:20

johnw74:
God's Church never taught a doctrine of three gods nicknamed Trinity either.

You sound like a supposed Jehovahs Witness, who are not, and do lie, and are among the church of satan.

Have a look at yourself here:
www.jwfacts.com

And learn something here:
https://carm.org/essential-doctrines-of-christianity

johnw74:
You say the Bible is lies and yet you quoted it,
God certinally did dash your common sense.

You say we are not followers of Jesus Christ at all, but followers of Matthew Mark and John,
and yet you quoted Mark and John, duh

Jessicha:
but remember the pic u upload about what Jesus taught vs what the church assumes , do you ? that should tell u that this church people that made this things up ain't following the Bible .

before u criticize the bible or Jesus apostles , pls and pls remember it never taught the doctrine of three gods nicknamed Trinity . Bible made it clear times without number that Jesus is under the authority of Jehovah God his father [1 cor 11:3] and that Jesus Have a God - John 20:17

aminusanti:
What type of christian are u pls?
It shows u don't bliv in trinity, is that right?

johnw74:
No blasphemy there, that's just another jw lie-accusation from you, to go with your lie that the Church teaches three god's.

jw who change "the Word is God" to "the Word is a god" is truly among the church of satan.

Jessicha:
pls sir , the bible never taught trinity ! we have one "ONLY God " Jude 25 . not three in one god