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Re: Is Jesus Really God? by OLAADEGBU(m): 12:06am On Nov 26, 2014
dolphinheart:


Questions.
1.) Is Jesus the almighty God.?

Yes. God is God either you call Him Almighty God or Mighty God.

dolphinheart:


2.) In the trinity , are they just one person with 3 different personalities,or are they 3 different personalities with the same authority.

One God in three Persons. The Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.

dolphinheart:


3.)is Jesus the holy spirit? Is the holy spirit Jesus?

Jesus is not the Holy Spirit and the Holy Spirit is not Jesus neither is Jesus the Father but all three Personalities are One God.
Re: Is Jesus Really God? by dolphinheart(m): 2:15am On Nov 26, 2014
OLAADEGBU:


Yes. God is God either you call Him Almighty God or Mighty God.



One God in three Persons. The Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.



Jesus is not the Holy Spirit and the Holy Spirit is not Jesus neither is Jesus the Father but all three Personalities are One God.


Questions
1.) Where in the bible is Jesus called almighty God.
2.)what do you really mean by "one god in 3 persons"? Are u saying that the 3 of them are in 1 person? Or one person is in the 3 of them? Or 3 of them are different characteristics of one person? Or the 3 are the different parts of one person? Does one personalities have three different handles or 3 different handles are being controlled by one person.
3.)please explain further how all three personalities are one god, are you also saying here that the personality(person) of Jesus is different from that of jehova? That they are 2 different spirit forces?

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Re: Is Jesus Really God? by ayinba1(f): 2:30am On Nov 26, 2014
@op. If you were not conflicted about the whole concept, why did you raise this question again?

For the sake of God, I will answer. Jesus (peace be upon him )is not Almighty God. He was sent with a message to mankind to worship one God, uphold the laws and stop twisting the message.

BTW, calm down oh you who claim to be christians! We can have differing opinions, it is not christ like to insult people for not agreeing with you.

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Re: Is Jesus Really God? by CANTICLES: 9:32am On Nov 26, 2014
Catholics and protestants say: " we have one God, the trinity"


The Apostles Say: " for even though there are those call "gods" either in Heaven or on Earth ....... there is actually to us one God, the Father
"however, not all have this knowledge" 1 cor 8: 5-7 !!!
Re: Is Jesus Really God? by johnydon22(m): 9:45am On Nov 26, 2014
you guys should call me when you have decided among yourselves if jesus is God or not grin grin grin

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Re: Is Jesus Really God? by Syncan(m): 9:46am On Nov 26, 2014
CANTICLES:
Catholics and protestants say: " we have one God, the trinity"


The Apostles Say: " for even though there are those call "gods" either in Heaven or on Earth ....... there is actually to us one God, the Father
"however, not all have this knowledge" 1 cor 8: 5-7 !!!


Don't you see how deceitful you are? Why not complete the verses, why cut and join to soothe your distorted view?
Re: Is Jesus Really God? by Kay17: 11:30am On Nov 26, 2014
OLAADEGBU:


It's not a dilemma it's called the Holy Trinity. Jesus is really God, the Second Person in the Godhead.

Then Jesus must be a part of God
Re: Is Jesus Really God? by dolphinheart(m): 5:33pm On Nov 26, 2014
Syncan:



Don't you see how deceitful you are? Why not complete the verses, why cut and join to soothe your distorted view?

King James Bible
5.For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,)
6.But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him
7. there is not in every man that knowledge: for some with conscience of the idol unto this hour eat it as a thing offered unto an idol; and their conscience being weak is defiled.

Now let's hear ur view.
Re: Is Jesus Really God? by dolphinheart(m): 5:37pm On Nov 26, 2014
@op, still waiting for answers to my questions
Re: Is Jesus Really God? by Syncan(m): 6:02pm On Nov 26, 2014
dolphinheart:


King James Bible
5.For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,)
6.But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him
7. there is not in every man that knowledge: for some with conscience of the idol unto this hour eat it as a thing offered unto an idol; and their conscience being weak is defiled.

Now let's hear ur view.


What view do you expect to hear again, verse 6 is very clear in talking about God, references where made of the father in whom all things were made, also of the son Jesus Christ (the word) by whom all things were made...(account of creation). This word (Jesus Christ) was with God, and was God, even from Beginning as seen in John 1:1. And God made it clear in Heb 1:8 when He called Jesus God.
Re: Is Jesus Really God? by fishleg123: 8:33pm On Nov 26, 2014
@Olaadegbu, if I may ask, where is Jesus now.
Re: Is Jesus Really God? by Syncan(m): 9:41pm On Nov 26, 2014
fishleg123:
@Olaadegbu, if I may ask, where is Jesus now.

Jn 16:28 : I came forth from the Father, and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father.

The above passage tells where Jesus Christ is now.
Re: Is Jesus Really God? by dolphinheart(m): 9:44pm On Nov 26, 2014
Syncan:



What view do you expect to hear again, verse 6 is very clear in talking about God, references where made of the father in whom all things were made, also of the son Jesus Christ (the word) by whom all things were made...(account of creation). This word (Jesus Christ) was with God, and was God, even from Beginning as seen in John 1:1. And God made it clear in Heb 1:8 when He called Jesus God.

Verse 6 states : yet for us there is one God, the Father, from whom are all things and for whom we live, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through
whom are all things and through whom we
live.

Verse 6 is very clear on who the only (one) God Christians worship is : the father.
Verse 6 is very clear on who our lord is : Jesus Christ.
Verse 6 is very clear on there roles in relation to human existence. All things are created from the father for the father through Jesus. For example if I give my son money to buy something for me and the son goes ahead and purchases the item , will u say the goods belong to the son ? Even the seller knows the goods was bought by the father through the son. It does not make the father and son co-owners of the goods.

On John 1.1 ,are u saying that Jesus and the father are one inseperable body ? . Or one body that can be seperated into segments. ( other trinitanians pls take note and respond) .
Re: Is Jesus Really God? by Freksy(m): 10:00pm On Nov 26, 2014
Syncan:



What view do you expect to hear again, verse 6 is very clear in talking about God, references where made of the father in whom all things were made, also of the son Jesus Christ (the word) by whom all things were made...(account of creation). This word (Jesus Christ) was with God, and was God, even from Beginning as seen in John 1:1. And God made it clear in Heb 1:8 when He called Jesus God.

5 For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,)

6 But to us there is but [size=16pt]one God[/size], the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

7 Howbeit there is not in every man that knowledge: for some with conscience of the idol unto this hour eat it as a thing offered unto an idol; and their conscience being weak is defiled. 1Cor 8:5-7 KJV

To some (3nitarians), there are THREE GODS (there be that are called gods - verse 5)
1. God the father
2. God the son and
3. God the holy spirit

To true worshipers there is:
[size=16pt]ONE GOD[/size] - the father of Jesus Christ. V. 6
ONE LORD - Jesus Christ, the son of the ONE GOD V. 6

Do all have this knowledge? According to verse 7, NO! E.g, 3nitarians.

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Re: Is Jesus Really God? by Syncan(m): 10:17pm On Nov 26, 2014
dolphinheart:


Verse 6 states : yet for us there is one God, the Father, from whom are all things and for whom we live, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through
whom are all things and through whom we
live.

Verse 6 is very clear on who the only (one) God Christians worship is : the father.
Verse 6 is very clear on who our lord is : Jesus Christ.
Verse 6 is very clear on there roles in relation to human existence. All things are created from the father for the father through Jesus. For example if I give my son money to buy something for me and the son goes ahead and purchases the item , will u say the goods belong to the son ? Even the seller knows the goods was bought by the father through the son. It does not make the father and son co-owners of the goods.

On John 1.1 ,are u saying that Jesus and the father are one inseperable body ? . Or one body that can be seperated into segments. ( other trinitanians pls take note and respond) .


Sorry sir, you got it wrong. Christians Worship One God. The father, the son and the Holy Spirit.

Jesus and the father are not like you and your son. That is your problem, you are trying to figure the essence of God, using body which is a lower level of creation, (not everything created has body) yet the only time God took flesh was when the word became flesh. Even you as you are, when you shed this body, will you cease to exist? Stop using limited knowledge to question what God has revealed, trying to explain this in detail will only get you confused because there's a lot you need to know and agree with first as basis. When Jesus appeared to the apostles, after his resurrection, the doors and windows were secured, but he entered. It means if he had passed through the walls for example, he must have occupied same space with a part of the wall at least at a time while passing, how is this possible for a matter. He could as well be occupying the same space with peter and still be there, how is this possible? Yet in this state, Thomas was still able to touch his wounds Jn20:27-28 and exclaimed "My Lord and my God". This is Jesus that has taken flesh of man, how then do you confine the word to space and time like you and your son? The word, by which all things were created, the Word that was with God, the Word that Was God.
Re: Is Jesus Really God? by Syncan(m): 10:20pm On Nov 26, 2014
Freksy:


5 For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,)

6 But to us there is but [size=16pt]one God[/size], the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

7 Howbeit there is not in every man that knowledge: for some with conscience of the idol unto this hour eat it as a thing offered unto an idol; and their conscience being weak is defiled. 1Cor 8:5-7 KJV

To some (3nitarians), there are THREE GODS (there be that are called gods - verse 5)
1. God the father
2. God the son and
3. God the holy spirit

To true worshipers there is:
[size=16pt]ONE GOD[/size] - the father of Jesus Christ. V. 6
ONE LORD - Jesus Christ, the son of the ONE GOD V. 6

Do all have this knowledge? According to verse 7, NO! E.g, 3nitarians.


1 John 5:7: For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

Stop living in denial.
Re: Is Jesus Really God? by Freksy(m): 10:46pm On Nov 26, 2014
Syncan:



1 John 5:7: For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

Stop living in denial.

7 And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is the truth.

8 For there are three who bear witness, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and the three agree in one. 1Jo 5:7-8 ASV

Go back to my previous post and address accordingly, stop basking in falsehood.
Re: Is Jesus Really God? by Syncan(m): 11:05pm On Nov 26, 2014
Freksy:


7 And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is the truth.

8 For there are three who bear witness, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and the three agree in one. 1Jo 5:7-8 ASV

Go back to my previous post and address accordingly, stop basking in falsehood.

1 John 5:7: For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. KJV

Deal with this, there is nothing in your post to address, they are false claims by you, for no christian says there are three Gods.
Re: Is Jesus Really God? by johnydon22(m): 11:28pm On Nov 26, 2014
so you guys are still debating whether jesus is God or not hehehehehe nice one nice one grin grin oya go on. . . . grabs a bottle of beer grin.
But wait a minute; are all of u christians too
Re: Is Jesus Really God? by Freksy(m): 11:40pm On Nov 26, 2014
Syncan:


1 John 5:7: For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. KJV

Deal with this, there is nothing in your post to address, they are false claims by you, for no christian says there are three Gods.

7 And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is the truth.

8 For there are three who bear witness, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and the three agree in one. 1John 5:7-8 ASV

You mean no Christian says there are three Gods in one? I ma sure you're kidding!

Nevertheless, kindly shed a little light on 1 John 5:7-8, and show how this supports your stance.
Re: Is Jesus Really God? by RikoduoSennin(m): 6:51am On Nov 27, 2014
So much Ado Nothing!

Q: Is Jesus really God?

A: YES! (John 20:28)

Q: Which kind of God is he?

A: A Mighty God. (Isaiah 9:6)

Q: Is Jesus the same as the Almighty God?

A: No, There is only "one" Almighty God- Jehovah. Almighty is a position that one one person/entity can hold. Besides Even though Jesus is a God he still has a God over him (John 20:17), so he can't be called Almighty.

Case closed!
Re: Is Jesus Really God? by Syncan(m): 7:50am On Nov 27, 2014
Freksy:


7 And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is the truth.

8 For there are three who bear witness, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and the three agree in one. 1John 5:7-8 ASV

You mean no Christian says there are three Gods in one? I ma sure you're kidding!

Nevertheless, kindly shed a little light on 1 John 5:7-8, and show how this supports your stance.


1John 5:7 : there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit. And these three are one.

This verse had been erased by unbelievers, that is, the Arians, from some Greek copies, which is propagated today by you and your team. It is, however, the constant reading of the Latin Bibles, and the more correct Greek manuscripts and of many of the ancients, St. Athanasius, St. Augustine, St. Jerome, St. Cyprian, the Lateran Council, at which Greeks were present. Therefore it is certain that these words are to be taken as canonical Scripture. Unbelievers removing things from scripture since time immemorial, recall martin Luther also attempted to remove the whole epistle of James from scripture, Smh.

1John 5:8 And there are three that give testimony on earth: three are one: The spirit, and the water, and the blood:

As the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit all bear witness to Jesus Christ Divinity(Jesus is God); so the spirit, which he yielded up, crying out with a loud voice upon the cross; and the water and blood that issued from his side, bear witness to his humanity(Jesus is man), and are one; that is, all agree in one testimony.

Jesus is really God, and stop telling lies against Christians, there is only one God, not three Gods.
Re: Is Jesus Really God? by OasisofRefuge(f): 7:52am On Nov 27, 2014
CANTICLES:
#lot of smiles# .... You will agree with me that if a politician sent hirekillers to another Man ! The crime is commited in the Name of the politician though its d hirekillers that carry out the operation at d WILL OF THE POLITICIAN

So, Here In John 13:3 we read " the evening meal was going on, and the Devil had already put it into the heart of Judas Iscariot,, the Son of Simon to betray him." !!!

Walla! It was the Devil that was behind Jesus Death , Here is the question : So, DID DEVIL KILL GOD ??
No. devil did not kill God.
when God decided to give Jesus up to redeem us from sin , he really meant it. john 3:16
the devil on the other hand who does not know all things, thought he was destroying Jesus by using Judas Iscariot against his master, not knowing he was aiding the main work Jesus came to earth. Am sure if the devil knows from the onset that once Jesus dies, we are going to obtain libration and deliverance from the bondage of sin, he would have done everything possible to prevent Jesus from dieing.
Re: Is Jesus Really God? by bingbagbo(m): 9:05am On Nov 27, 2014
read my signature
Re: Is Jesus Really God? by haffaze777(m): 10:58am On Nov 27, 2014
OasisofRefuge:
No. devil did not kill God.
when God decided to give Jesus up to redeem us from sin , he really meant it. john 3:16
the devil on the other hand who does not know all things, thought he was destroying Jesus by using Judas Iscariot against his master, not knowing he was aiding the main work Jesus came to earth. Am sure if the devil knows from the onset that once Jesus dies, we are going to obtain libration and deliverance from the bondage of sin, he would have done everything possible to prevent Jesus from dieing.
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stop lying,ur bible said it clearly dat Jesus came to die for d sin of d world and many people know dat before he was even crucify,if some ordinary people know dis y not satan
Re: Is Jesus Really God? by dolphinheart(m): 12:25pm On Nov 27, 2014
Syncan:



Sorry sir, you got it wrong. Christians Worship One God. The father, the son and the Holy Spirit.

Jesus and the father are not like you and your son. That is your problem, you are trying to figure the essence of God, using body which is a lower level of creation, (not everything created has body) yet the only time God took flesh was when the word became flesh. Even you as you are, when you shed this body, will you cease to exist? Stop using limited knowledge to question what God has revealed, trying to explain this in detail will only get you confused because there's a lot you need to know and agree with first as basis. When Jesus appeared to the apostles, after his resurrection, the doors and windows were secured, but he entered. It means if he had passed through the walls for example, he must have occupied same space with a part of the wall at least at a time while passing, how is this possible for a matter. He could as well be occupying the same space with peter and still be there, how is this possible? Yet in this state, Thomas was still able to touch his wounds Jn20:27-28 and exclaimed "My Lord and my God". This is Jesus that has taken flesh of man, how then do you confine the word to space and time like you and your son? The word, by which all things were created, the Word that was with God, the Word that Was God.

Before I comment, @op, is this true, that Jesus is the same entity as god , that jesus is also the father?
Re: Is Jesus Really God? by Syncan(m): 1:50pm On Nov 27, 2014
dolphinheart:


Before I comment, @op, is this true, that Jesus is the same entity as god , that jesus is also the father?


Exactly why I said you should stick to what God has revealed, just as it is, without truncating what you don't understand. So what you got from my post is that Jesus is the father? Smh.

God called His son Jesus God in Heb 1:8.

Thomas exclaimed before Jesus " My Lord and My God" in Jn20:28

Jesus is the word made flesh, and the "word was God" as seen in Jn1:1

Paul refers to Jesus when he was "in the form of God" thinking "his equality with God" not something to be grasped onto, but emptying himself and becoming man Phill2:6 (Paul takes for granted that you already know that Jesus is equal with God the father...how wrong he was about you).

Jesus Christ used the words I am severally in scriptures to talk about himself, as a matter of fact, when He said it in Jn 8:58 , the Jews saw it as blasphemy and took up stones to cast at Him. Let me stop with this for now, none of you is yet to disprove that God called His Son Jesus God in Heb 1:8.

1jn5:7there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit. And these three are one. kJV
Re: Is Jesus Really God? by dolphinheart(m): 2:22pm On Nov 27, 2014
Syncan:



Exactly why I said you should stick to what God has revealed, just as it is, without truncating what you don't understand. So what you got from my post is that Jesus is the father? Smh.

God called His son Jesus God in Heb 1:8.

Thomas exclaimed before Jesus " My Lord and My God" in Jn20:28

Jesus is the word made flesh, and the "word was God" as seen in Jn1:1

Paul refers to Jesus when he was "in the form of God" thinking "his equality with God" not something to be grasped onto, but emptying himself and becoming man Phill2:6 (Paul takes for granted that you already know that Jesus is equal with God the father...how wrong he was about you).

Jesus Christ used the words I am severally in scriptures to talk about himself, as a matter of fact, when He said it in Jn 8:58 , the Jews saw it as blasphemy and took up stones to cast at Him. Let me stop with this for now, none of you is yet to disprove that God called His Son Jesus God in Heb 1:8.

1jn5:7there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit. And these three are one. kJV

I'm not going to rush and comment on ur statement. Ill wait untill after the op has comented on the relationship between jesus and the father.
Re: Is Jesus Really God? by Syncan(m): 2:45pm On Nov 27, 2014
dolphinheart:


I'm not going to rush and comment on ur statement. Ill wait untill after the op has comented on the relationship between jesus and the father.


Ok na, take your time, don't rush.
Re: Is Jesus Really God? by Kei144(m): 5:10pm On Nov 27, 2014
RikoduoSennin:
So much Ado Nothing!

Q: Is Jesus really God?

A: YES! (John 20:28)

Q: Which kind of God is he?

A: A Mighty God. (Isaiah 9:6)

Q: Is Jesus the same as the Almighty God?

A: No, There is only "one" Almighty God- Jehovah. Almighty is a position that one one person/entity can hold. Besides Even though Jesus is a God he still has a God over him (John 20:17), so he can't be called Almighty.

Case closed!

You are very correct, my brother.

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Re: Is Jesus Really God? by Freksy(m): 10:32pm On Nov 27, 2014
Syncan:



1John 5:7 : there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit. And these three are one.
In the fourth century C.E., in a Latin treatise, some Bible translators were so zealous to find support for their belief in the Trinity in the Scriptures that they literally added the words “in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the holy spirit; and these three are one” as if these were a quotation from 1 John 5:7. Later that passage was put right into the text of a Latin Bible manuscript. Most Bible commentaries that mention this addition tell us that it is a spurious comment added to the biblical text.

Many more recent Bible versions recognize the spurious added text and omit it. Some of these are: The New International Version, American Standard Version and New American Standard Bible, English Standard Version, New English Bible and Revised English Bible, New American Bible, Jerusalem Bible and New Jerusalem Bible, Good News Bible, New Living Translation, Holman Christian Standard Bible, Bible in Basic English and the Twentieth Century New Testament.


This verse had been erased by unbelievers, that is, the Arians, from some Greek copies, which is propagated today by you and your team. It is, however, the constant reading of the Latin Bibles, and the more correct Greek manuscripts and of many of the ancients, St. Athanasius, St. Augustine, St. Jerome, St. Cyprian, the Lateran Council, at which Greeks were present. Therefore it is certain that these words are to be taken as canonical Scripture. Unbelievers removing things from scripture since time immemorial, recall martin Luther also attempted to remove the whole epistle of James from scripture, Smh.

The large reservoir of original-language manuscripts of the Bible provides a means for checking the validity of any translation. Following this, the fraud of the interpolations at 1 John 5:7 to support the Trinity were fully exposed.

The Big Book of Bible Difficulties tells us: "This verse has virtually no support among the early Greek manuscripts . . . Its appearance in late Greek manuscripts is based on the fact that Erasmus was placed under ecclesiastical pressure to include it in his Greek NT of 1522, having omitted it in his two earlier editions of 1516 and 1519 because he could not find any Greek manuscripts which contained it" (Norman Geisler and Thomas Howe, 2008, pp. 540-541).


1John 5:8 And there are three that give testimony on earth: three are one: The spirit, and the water, and the blood:

As the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit all bear witness to Jesus Christ Divinity(Jesus is God); so the spirit, which he yielded up, crying out with a loud voice upon the cross; and the water and blood that issued from his side, bear witness to his humanity(Jesus is man), and are one; that is, all agree in one testimony.

‘And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is the truth.
For there are three who bear witness, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and the three agree in one.’ 1John5:7-8 ASV

1.Water was a witness bearer because when Jesus was baptized in water, God himself expressed His approval of him as His Son. (Matt. 3:17)
2. Jesus’ blood, or life, given as “a corresponding ransom for all,” also showed that Jesus is God’s Son. (1 Tim. 2:5, 6)
3. And the holy spirit testified that Jesus is the Son of God when it descended upon him at his baptism, enabling him to go “through the land doing good and healing all those oppressed by the Devil.”—John 1:29-34; Acts 10:38.


Jesus is really God, and stop telling lies against Christians, there is only one God, not three Gods.
Jesus is THE SON of the almighty God, but not the almighty God. Stop telling lies against both the almighty God and his son with your 3 gods in 1 mantra.
Re: Is Jesus Really God? by zyzxx(m): 12:13am On Nov 28, 2014
If u go to bank and pay money, u will be give teller, the teller's are 3, which works as one, anytin u write on d first one will show in d duplicate
(mind u, duplicate is not photocopy, it means another original copy). the 3 teller's are one which did different works and can't be separate
Dat how trinity is, 3 in 1. U can't separate dem even we human are three in 1.

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