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Re: Delta Igbos by SlayerSupreme: 12:07am On Jun 19, 2016 |
PabloAfricanus:God bless. Your write up is unbiased. Shalom 1 Like |
Re: Delta Igbos by Ishilove: 12:16am On Jun 19, 2016 |
SlayerSupreme:You and your entire generation are the pathetic lowlifes. Mannerless baboon who has no business on the internet. Like Shakespear's Hogroth, you regurgitate slime and dung with every spasm your plague addled fingers make on the keypad of your longsuffering China phone. Empty headed bufoon. Now fuvk off, your time is up 3 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Delta Igbos by Ishilove: 12:18am On Jun 19, 2016 |
PabloAfricanus, my device is blinking red (typed the life out of the battery) so I will respond later today, if that is alright with you. |
Re: Delta Igbos by SlayerSupreme: 12:20am On Jun 19, 2016 |
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Re: Delta Igbos by SlayerSupreme: 12:24am On Jun 19, 2016 |
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Re: Delta Igbos by Ishilove: 12:25am On Jun 19, 2016 |
SlayerSupreme:You must be high on your own fart if you think I will descend any further to your level. From now on I will ignore you so hard, you will doubt your own existence. Fuvk off for good. 1 Like |
Re: Delta Igbos by SlayerSupreme: 12:29am On Jun 19, 2016 |
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Re: Delta Igbos by SlayerSupreme: 12:32am On Jun 19, 2016 |
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Re: Delta Igbos by SlayerSupreme: 12:33am On Jun 19, 2016 |
LMAO!!! |
Re: Delta Igbos by PabloAfricanus(m): 12:35am On Jun 19, 2016 |
SlayerSupreme: Totally uncalled for and unncessary. She owes you no apologies for her stand or take. And i am failing to see how you stand to benefit from her towing your line. Dude you are just displaying high level childishness. How do you intend to win her over to your view if all you can do is engage in expletives? Be the man and let things you have no control over be. I will suggest you apologize to her. 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Delta Igbos by Ishilove: 12:40am On Jun 19, 2016 |
PabloAfricanus:Don't waste your mb on classless, empty headed, puerile internet thugs. This is what one sees when telecom companies have crashed cost of browsing data. His insults on his female children yet unborn is all water off a duck. You have made a very interesting submission and I am almost tempted to start typing all over again, although my digits are terribly cramped now. I must rest! |
Re: Delta Igbos by SlayerSupreme: 12:41am On Jun 19, 2016 |
PabloAfricanus:The biggest mistake you'll make is to think,I,give a damn what she claims. She can take her epistles to the grave for all I care. What stops her,a mature woman,from bringing facts to the table;like you did? How can a grown woman say iyo or myiyo similarity to Yoruba connects Ukwuani to Benin. All to defend bias passed down from less informed parents? C'mon!!! 3 Likes |
Re: Delta Igbos by SlayerSupreme: 12:43am On Jun 19, 2016 |
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Re: Delta Igbos by SlayerSupreme: 12:54am On Jun 19, 2016 |
I hereby tender my unreserved and most sincere apology to Ishilove. Please forgive me. I take back the shots I fired to defame her person. Those shots are usually reserved for idiots who denigrate the great Igbo nation: She did nothing like that,hence this apology. Ishilove forgive me. I still think some of your postulations are pathetic though I feel you can claim whatever you desire. I will consqequently edit some of my posts. P.S - Mr man you can see the apology. Don't call me childish next time because of a lady. It rubs off negatively on you. Though you won't agree or understand. Ishilove,once again,I'm sorry. 2 Likes |
Re: Delta Igbos by SlayerSupreme: 12:57am On Jun 19, 2016 |
When any of you denigrate the great Igbo nation,rest assured I'll come for you. Shalom. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Delta Igbos by Igboid: 1:11am On Jun 19, 2016 |
http://archive.org/stream/narrativeofexped01alle/narrativeofexped01alle_djvu.txt Here is how the Europeans found Aboh. It has always been Igbo. 3 Likes |
Re: Delta Igbos by Igboid: 1:17am On Jun 19, 2016 |
At noon we passed a large village called Utok, inhabited by a mixture of the Ibu and Egaboh tribes. They are both celebrated for the cultivation of the yam, which is found in perfection in these districts. The chief of Utok came on board decked in a drummer's jacket, given him by Lander, and bearing in his hand his staff of office, an iron rod, ornamented with brass rings and terminating at the top in a sort of crescent. The Igabos are the Isokos, while the Sobos were the Uhrobos. Rigby from the beginning, the Europeans knew the difference between Isoko and Uhrobo. The Igaboh( Isoko) and Ibu( Ibo) mixed town the white described there, can all still be found in Ndokwa. It means that the people( Igabo and Ibus) settled on the same place, it does not connote relationship, like I see Ukwuanis make when they go on about their Ukwuani ethnicity being a mixture of many non Igbo groups. 1 Like |
Re: Delta Igbos by Igboid: 1:19am On Jun 19, 2016 |
[b]" We ascertained that the name Ibu belongs to a large tract of country lying on both sides of the Niger, but is more extensive to the eastward of it, and containing possibly many independent tribes, of which Obi rules over the villages in the immediate neighbourhood of the river, and it appears that his power does not extend much beyond the reach of his canoes. The real name of his chief town, we find, is Aboh, and not Ibu or Eboe, as Lander called it. Obi is called the Ezzeh Obi Osai. The first being his title, answering to king or chief; the second his patronymic, and the last his cognomen. His sovereignty is acknowledged for about fifty-five miles along both sides of the river ; Oni^h being his lowest village on the right bank, near the Benin branch ; Owiah Okbe, the highest. On the left bank, fi-om Ip^tanih upwards to Akra-atan, near the Onechk River, and aU the villages included between these. Notwithstanding all his proud de- claration of absolute power, it is doubtful whether it can be considered as really more than a preponderating influence, of variable nature. He had asserted his authority to be despotic and here- ditary ; but we were informed by our friend, Ukasa, that "[/b] Here we get to learn about the king of Aboh Kingdom, Ezzeh Obi Ossai, who had a son named Chukwuma and a daughter named Adaezeh( Adzeh). |
Re: Delta Igbos by Igboid: 1:22am On Jun 19, 2016 |
[b] Physical characteristics of the Ibus — Religious superstitions — Idols numerous — Horrible practice on the birth of twins — Large earthen idol — Tshuku or the Great Spirit — Absurd stories of the priests — Aboh Creek — Beautiful birds — Native dwellings — Ezzeh Obi Osai's mud palace — The Harem — Human sacrifices — Insalubrity of Aboh — Ornithology — Rare animals shot by accident — Plants — Domestic slavery — Obi Osai's second visit to the * Albert' — Obi Osa'i kneels down with the white men to worship their God — His sudden fear — The " arrisi" or idol called for — The presents — Obi's anxiety to establish trade with England — Departure from Aboh — Ogou ladies — Proceed up the river — Body of a female floating in the stream — Ali Here, the Ibu pilot — Beauty of the country — "Osochai" — Aboh trade-canoes — Okoh — Splendid sunset — Fishing- huts — Appearance of the hills — Anno — Abain-him or the " meeting of the waters" — Adda-Mugu or Abela — SuflFerings of the former Expedition at this place — Circular huts first met with — The Edoh examined — Uliain village — King William's Mountain — Anchor off Iddah. The natives of Aboh are comparatively tall for West Africans ; well-made and muscular, but the hands and feet are large. The most prevalent colour of skin is yellowish or brownish-black. The features are truly negro, the nose expanded, lips rather thick, and without that pleasing outline observed in some negroes. The forehead is broad and less retreating than in their more intelligent neighbours the Eggarahs, but the maxillary bones are more prognathous or protruding, and the facial angle consequently less favourable. 242 PHYSICAL CHARACTERISTICS. The national mark is triangular, tattoed on each temple in the males, while the softer sex have various starlike distinctions on the breast and abdomen. The women are large, and inclined to " embonpoint,'* the effect probably of the fattening process they go through to arrive at the Ibu standard of female beauty. The countenance of these people is at once expressive of good nature and restless inquisitiveness. The religious superstitions of Aboh are as various and degrading as at any place we visited, and the Fetiches, or idols, as numerous ; every hut having one or more, as well as amulets, or charms, suspended from sticks in the quadrangular courts. Many of the idols had pots of water and food placed near them. The accompanying sketch is taken from a Ju-ju, presented to Doctor McWilliam by one of Obi's sons. [/b] We learn from a neutral perspective, the physical characteristics and ways of the Aboh( Ukwuani), |
Re: Delta Igbos by Igboid: 1:25am On Jun 19, 2016 |
[b] At a little distance from Obi's dwelling, and rather to the right, we came unexpectedly on a large earthen idol, placed in a thicket surrounded by high trees ; this we believe to be the image to which most of their sacri- fices are offered. Some persons who were near when we moved towards the direction of this sacred spot, made earnest signs for us not to approach, exclaiming, " Tshuku — Tshuku," and just as we had obtained a look of the figure, one of the Ju-ju men, or priests, came up in a menacing manner, and would not allow us to remain, or further to examine the neighbourhood. He appeared to be very much exasperated, and disposed to punish our temerity, which probably was only escaped by the presence of a good double-barrelled " Nock." This jealous care of the idol, and the exclamation " Tshuku — Tshuku'* would lead to the supposition that it is the visible representation of a mysterious being or deity, whom they consult as an oracle under the same name. His votaries believe him to exist far off in the bush ; that he has the power of speaking and understanding all languages ; is cognizant of every thing that takes place in the world, and that he can punish evil doers. The priest whilst holding communion with Tshuku, is sur- rounded miraculously with water, and will perish instantaneously if he attempts to deceive. As all these absurd stories originate with the Ju-ju men, whose object is to mislead their too credulous dupes, we may [/b] Ezzeh Obi Ossai, the king of Aboh worshipped Chukwu( Tshuku) as his God, and not Osanobua. It doesn't get more Igbo than that. |
Re: Delta Igbos by oweniwe(m): 2:28am On Jun 19, 2016 |
Interesting lecture dear Ishilove.... This is what I want to hear... Not crazy rantings from that asha baby... Back to topic... I'm Akashiede... And I'm proud of it. But aboriginal ukwani is something that is very hard to picture in my mind.... Like Ugomba noted ... "From where did the aboriginals migrate? " If I look and examine my people physically... Some old people ... They're usually short and dark in complexion... They're short, at most 4-5ft (not dwarf though).. And dark/deep brown in complexion.... The other people on the other hand are tall (6-7ft) and fair in complexion... I supposed the tall and fair folks are those who migrated from the Asaba side cos they same physical features .... But the old, short and dark ppl, I don't know where they come from.... No idea.... And their gene is ' almost gone" among from the younger generation. My great grandpa... They say he's a tall and fair man... Married a short dark woman... My grand uncles arr mostly tall and fair but curiously, my grandpa took his mom's features ... He was short, slim and dark in complexion... His children (My dad, uncles and aunties except one aunt) are all tall and fair... Only one of his children took the short/dark gene.Now... Nobody among me and cousins are short/dark The thing I admire most about the dark-short-slim ukwuani people is... They are very strong and often outlive their tall-fair counterparts by many decades.... While the fair guys start dying when they reach 70-80... The short dark ones live up to 110-130 years old... Amazing ...!!.. but the downside is that... They're not intelligent. ... They're just content with living everyday as it comes... Just eat, sleep, marry, farm, born children, have fun... Thats all...They don't have ambition. The mentality s still veey much among ukwuani people .... And I hate it. I really have no idea of where the short/dark folks come from as I haven't seen them anywhere else outside ukwuani land. So ... On the aboriginal ukwuani people, you have a point as I have seem them... I dont even know those people are a treasure ... If i go to the village soon, I will snap a picture of an old aunt with the aboriginal features and keep the pixs for future reference. @ Ugomba : these ukwuani aboriginal folks... They're dull o. Asking them where they come from is like pouring water into basket ... Theyre not literate... If u press them with hard questions, they will stand up and run away. Back to the igbo debate... True... There's really nothing like "igbo " before the white man came. Someone told me Enugu people were called "Ndienugu "... Hill people ... Just like you mentioned Ndiosumili... Riverine people ... Owerre man is simply owerre... Oka (Awka) man is simply awka... All the clans were like different countries to each other.... The was nothing like "igbo "... It was for political and administrative classification ... That was how the British woke up and called everyone in the east of the Niger "Igbo "... They tried the same trick with Ukwauani by tagging them "kwale "... So while the people in the east of the Niger accepted the "igbo " tag, .... Ukwuani rejected the kwale tag. So... In reality ... If we all mentally go back to the 15th-16th century ... There was really nothing like "igbo ". So I fully understand why ukwuani/ikwerre folks get offended When they are called "igbo "... Before the white man came, there was nothing like "igbo " so why are you calling me igbo?? ?? ?? But for me, the reason why I wouldn't get offended if I'm called "igbo " is the same reason why I wouldn't get offended if someone calls me "kwale "... To me, (and most Nigerians) igbo is a term used to describe the tribes from around /east lower niger..... The real tribes... Are in their respective villages and clans.... I have been to Nnewi and Onitsha festivals and I can say... Nnewi and osha ppl are very distinct .... So... I can say... Ukwuani is a tribe of its own if I use pre-16th century perspective .... But the reality in today's world and Nigeria in particular is that... Portraying yourself as minority is like using your hand to scatter your own food. There is strength in numbers. Hausa/fulani/kanuri have teamed up as one... Egba, ijebu, Oyo, ekiti and co teamed up to form yoruba.... These people are the ones that benefitting most from Nigeria. So for I think it will actually do us a lot more good if we in the east can team up and give hausa/yoruba a run for our resources so brazenly being exploited. That is why I wouldn't take offense if anyone calls me igbo... 4 Likes |
Re: Delta Igbos by Ishilove: 5:07am On Jun 19, 2016 |
oweniwe:These aboriginal Ukwuani...if my memory serves me right, were described by the white district commissioner in one the Ukwuani clans...I can't remember the exact words he used... something about the women being short, dark, dull and used to carrying heavy loads like 'beasts of burden'... in short he described Ukwuani women in the most unflattering terms I just wish I could remember. It's been so long and my memory needs refreshment. |
Re: Delta Igbos by PabloAfricanus(m): 6:10am On Jun 19, 2016 |
SlayerSupreme: Better. That did not hurt you one bit did it? 1 Like |
Re: Delta Igbos by PabloAfricanus(m): 6:31am On Jun 19, 2016 |
Igboid: I have read that book. Funny how people conveniently forget written histories that predated their new political stands right? No offense but I think its a clear case of either political expediency or just plain inferiority complex. Cos to me, the whole denial thingy is like uncalled for. Anyways, written history is a good thing, pity sub saharans never came up with one. The art of writing and memory is a wonderful thing! The amazing thing is…the deliberate and selective amnesia practiced by some of the indigenes from these sides who should have known better. Like forgetting their ancestors put a brave and ceaseless fight against Bini hegemony and fiercely maintained their independence in the face of Bini's imperial ambitions. Only for their living descendants today to go dig up carefully selected oral histories emphasising their glorious and mutual beneficial ancestral ties to Bini! Oral stories their progenitors would probably recoil from and find repugnant! Like conveniently forgetting the testimony of their past kings who met with the Europeans… who their kings said they were, what they called themselves and how they identified themselves. Even worse, the dangers of a single story… conveniently lumping all the peoples east of the Niger as "Igbo"… while projecting a unified, somewhat clean and tidy separate non Igbo stained existence for themselves. So convenient! And yet, when they are done, the self proclaimed admixtured people who are less than say the Owerris, the Ngwas or the Idemili.… go on speaking pristine Igbo dialects and practicing pristine Igbo traditions. Sigh… some things do die hard. 1 Like |
Re: Delta Igbos by oweniwe(m): 9:39am On Jun 19, 2016 |
PabloAfricanus: @ PabloAfricanus, Igboid, SlayerSupreme .... A quite question here... Please I'll a appreciate straight answer Do you agree with the notion that there was nothing like Igbo before the white man came? |
Re: Delta Igbos by Nobody: 9:44am On Jun 19, 2016 |
Igboid: Many thanks for the link brother 1 Like |
Re: Delta Igbos by Igboid: 9:44am On Jun 19, 2016 |
oweniwe: The Igbo speaking people knew each other, but they didn't fly under one Igbo banner. No one was Igbo per say, but they subconsciously knew they were related people. Obi Ezzeh Ossai in that 1841 British expedition I was posting, did acknowledge the existence of "Ibu" speaking people across the Niger, over whom he had no control. He never addressed their Igaboh, brass, Ejoh and Bini neighbors as such. Simon Jonas, the "Ibo" man that served as the interpreter between the British voyage of 1841 and Ezzeh Obi Ossai was an Igbo man from Eastern Igboland,he had never been to Aboh before, yet he needed no interpreter to understand all Obi Ezzeh Ossai of Aboh Kingdom spoke, and relayed them in English to the white man. Also Obi Ezzeh Ossai had no problem understanding Simon Jonas Igbo dialect, even though we know that he( Simon) was probably speaking Isuama Ibo dialect to Ezzeh Obi Ossai and not Aboh/Ukwuani dialect. 1 Like |
Re: Delta Igbos by oweniwe(m): 9:59am On Jun 19, 2016 |
Ishilove: You no dey go farm nau... If you dey go farm... Sometimes you will see them comfortably carry tree trunks (firewood) on their head after farm to house. Seriously, their trait is fast disappearing as no one wants to born short children anymore so two "shorties " wouldn't "fvck " 2 Likes |
Re: Delta Igbos by Ishilove: 10:04am On Jun 19, 2016 |
oweniwe:Heck no. Why must two shorties mate and propagate the short genes? True, I didn't farm but my mum and grandparents did and I tell you, my mum is far stronger than I even till now |
Re: Delta Igbos by oweniwe(m): 10:24am On Jun 19, 2016 |
Igboid: 1. Based on point one, since there was nothing like igbo back then, do you think ukwuani, ikwerre, ika etc folks are right to reject being called "igbo "? E.g.... "I am Ukwuani... I am not igbo because there was nothing like "igbo " before the white man came "... Ngwa man is simply Ngwa... Osha man is simply Osha... Ndienigu are simply Ndienugu... Ukwuani is simply Ukwuani... Ikwerre is simply ikwerre.... There's nothing like "Igbo " Do you see ' reason ' in the above statement? 1 Like |
Re: Delta Igbos by oweniwe(m): 10:33am On Jun 19, 2016 |
Ishilove: Same for my mom... even in late 50s she can still sprint.... And trek very fast. The height disparity between my dad and mom now is like difference between palm tree and orange tree But if you want to live a life free from back pain, thigh/leg pain when you get old... The short gene is the way to go. |
Re: Delta Igbos by Igboid: 10:41am On Jun 19, 2016 |
oweniwe: No. I see no reason. We as a people had passed over that stage of clannish tendencies and independence. The colonials met us a fragmented people, but being in the same country with bitter rivals who were non Igbo speaking, saw us merge together as one Ibo people politically. We have passed the clannish stage in our evolution. And won't allow some people draw us back to that stage, simply because we lost a war. Mbanu! Ukwuani can still maintain its distinctive nature, but it has to be under the Igbo banner, because even in SE, clans like Ngwa,Nsukka,Ndoki,Asa, etc, still retained their distinctive nature, they have their own languages with dialects, and even organizations, but it's all still done under the Igbo umbrella. This is not the same with what Igbo denials in Anioma are seeking. 3 Likes |
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