Image123:


Do you also doubt the flood? Do you realize only kids believe in superman, while the oldest and most educated men believe in the Bible? The difference is so clear it's a miracle that you cannot see it.

wiegraf:
how did samson defeat an army using the jawbone of an ass?

wiegraf:


i see your point op. i don't see why people doubt the arc when superman can leap over buildings and run faster than moving trains

Image123:


You skipped the questions. Here they are again.
1. Do you also doubt the flood?
2. Do you realize only kids believe in superman, while the oldest and most educated men believe in the Bible?

Will answer your question after the reply, thanks.

OLAADEGBU:


It is the Ark and not the arc. Noah's Ark is a scientific and historical fact while superman is fiction. Get your facts right.

mazaje:


According to the bible the flood happened about 6000 years ago, pretty most of the species available on earth existed at that time. . .



the earths landscape wasn't different 6000 years ago. . .Mount Everist alone is over 60 million years old according to scientific dating. . .The mythical flood did not create any ajor mountain any where. . .Most of the major mountains are millions of years old according to scientist. . .I told you in another thread that people were living and writing their own histories in places like china, india, egypt and south america uninterupted 6000 years ago. . .There is no evidence what so ever to show that the earth was once flooded, its just a jewish myth and fairy tale, many christians know this and are now saying that the flood was a local flood and not a global one. . .There is NO evidence for a global flood any where. ..



Continents were formed very long ago and not 6000 years ago. . .

wiegraf:


ola, how did you become like this?

Pins:


Noah did not need to bring every animal only a male and female sample of each with an ark of 3 big and mightydeckings,this could have been possible and how big are insects, just tiny little creatures are far too small an echolac of the biggest size could have conveniently carried a male and female sample of each and also they did not need so much food as the flood lasted for only forty days and forty nights so at most let me say noah spent 60 days in the ark. Why do atheist so much hinge their senseless believes on the story of Noah?

wiegraf:
The flood is as factual as the destruction of the planet krypton. And which most educated do you speak of? the overwhelming majority of top scientists and nobel laureats in the sciences wouldn't be caught dead believing these stories. you need to leave your village and explore man, before making such embarrasing claims. and no, clearly some supposed adults believe in superman (and obviously worse). abi what's the difference between superman and samson? is it that samson's weakness is barbers as opposed to meteorites?

Image123:


Do you also doubt the flood? Answer the simple question plainly. i do not know about any planet krypton or its facts.

Image123:

Good to see you realize only kids believe in superman, and that old people believe the Bible.

Image123:

The only area giving you jerks is the educated part. When i refer to most educated, i was referring to the size or percentage, not necessarily to the height of education. i do not have statistics on educated people and their faiths. It is however common knowledge that universities, colleges and schools are littered with theists both as teachers and as students. in very day life, we meet successful people, CEOs, top level managers, Drs etc that are theists, whether christian or otherwise.

Image123:

It is with this COMMONSENSE that i repeat that most educated men believe in the Bible.

Image123:

Samson was a superhuman because he was UNCOMMONly empowered by God's Holy Spirit for the deliverance of Israel. He was a miracle, just like the dividing of the Red Sea, or the disappearance of kidney problem and HIV, to the glory of God. Superman is an entertainer, for children cartoons.

Pins:


I always say one thing that we human beings have a big problem, we try to interpret the things of the spirit by the flesh which is virtually impossible. Even when science has discovered so much evidence about the flood we are still battling this. About mountsins let me make it clear to you God only destroyed living things in the flood because we can see that Noah's ark rested on a mountain after the flood and also Noah did not need to bring every animal only a male and female sample of each with an ark of 3 big and mightydeckings,this could have been possible and how big are insects, just tiny little creatures are far too small an echolac of the biggest size could have conveniently carried a male and female sample of each and also they did not need so much food as the flood lasted for only forty days and forty nights so at most let me say noah spent 60 days in the ark. Why do atheist so much hinge their senseless believes on the story of Noah?

wiegraf:

fact is Krypton is Superman's home planet.

I thought you were well versed with myths....

Oga, you claim to be an adult but your comprehension skills are atrocious. Even a kindergartner would have noted I did not state that

What exactly does giving one jerks entail? Is this some sort of Freudian slip? However, I'll ignore this and not ask for clarification, as I'm something of an adult (even if more a manchild) and can reasonably deduce what you meant to say.....

Now; 1000 years ago, most of the 'educated' world, this world filled with sundry and successful people, believed the world flat. Only the educated elite knew better.

Do I need to spell my point out more clearly?

And even at that, this is likely incorrect. It's at best, 50/50.

this is no pedantry, as you seem to have a view only of your backyard. It might be just me, but, and for obvious reasons (I hope), I think it important that people at least try and understand the world out there, and realize that their ways are not the only way to do things.

Roughly 50% of the planet is not judeoxtian.

there are, for instance, over a billion unaffiliated (including atheists, mostly thanks to china). And even at that, among the judeoxtians out there, quite a few of them will join me in wondering just how in the world supposed adults believe these things. they don't believe the bible is literal, or at least the more fantastical bits of it (which is almost all of it, I believe, so you do wonder why they remain xtian). they cherry pick what they choose to believe, it helps them resolve their cognitive dissonance to a degree. So your claim that most educated (and you have to define what you mean by educated, but meh) people believe in the bible, especially literally, is highly debatable.

that said, kudos to you and olaa for sticking with your guns and going all the way with your beliefs, unlike those pussyfooters.

or at least kudos to olaa, who perhaps grasps just how ridiculous his beliefs are, but sticks to them despite the ridicule. You, on the other hand, I get the feels is concerned with image and reputation, and seem to genuinely think you've sided with the more 'respectable' group. somehow that's important.....

thanks for that

what of thor the Norse god? He's also in comic books, I understand

TrajansKong:


Either you are kidding, or you have no idea of the scale and variety of life on Earth?

There are approx. 8.7 million species on earth and counting. That makes 17.4 million lifeforms to feed on your magic boat for 40 days and forty nights.

Each panda would need 26-84 pounds of bamboo per day. What about the anteaters? What did they eat?

Let's not forget the 350,000 different species of beetles. Who fed them and how during the voyage?

How did 8 people clean the waste of the 5,416 (x2) mamals, 8,240 (x2) birds, and the 9,956 (x2) reptiles? Daily.

And you say we have "senseless believes"!!

TrajansKong:


Either you are kidding, or you have no idea of the scale and variety of life on Earth?

There are approx. 8.7 million species on earth and counting. That makes 17.4 million lifeforms to feed on your magic boat for 40 days and forty nights.

Each panda would need 26-84 pounds of bamboo per day. What about the anteaters? What did they eat?

Let's not forget the 350,000 different species of beetles. Who fed them and how during the voyage?

How did 8 people clean the waste of the 5,416 (x2) mamals, 8,240 (x2) birds, and the 9,956 (x2) reptiles? Daily.

And you say we have "senseless believes"!!

OLAADEGBU:


"Of the birds after their kind, of animals after their kind, and of every creeping thing of the earth after its kind, two of every kind will come to you to keep them alive" (Genesis 6:20).

That's right, it's the dreaded word "kind"—that archaic word that the dictionary defines as "a class or group of individual objects, people, animals, etc., of the same nature or character, or classified together because they have traits in common." It's a despised word because it means God didn't have to get today’s approximately 6.5 million species to fit onto the ark. It means Noah needed only one pair for the canine kind—from which would come all the species of dog, from the Chihuahua to the Great Dane—and one pair for the feline kind—from which would come the domesticated cat and the tiger, etc. So now we are talking just thousands of animals, not millions. And because these animals need not have been fully grown (averaging the size of a sheep), it becomes possible.

Another consideration is the size of the ark. It wasn't the little rubber-ducky-bobbing-boat portrayed in kid's cartoons. It was a massive three-level ship, the size of one and a half football fields.

TrajansKong:


So the fundamental kinds evolved, you say?

OLAADEGBU:


No. Natural selection and lateral adaptation cannot be said to be evolution.

TrajansKong:

OLAADEGBU:
Someone Said: "How large was Noah's ark?"

Answers:

We know the Ark must have been at least 450 feet long, 75 feet wide, and 45 feet high. Using a longer cubit, it would have been over 500 feet in length. In the Western world, wooden sailing ships never got much longer than about 330 feet, yet much earlier the ancient Greeks were building vessels at least this size. China built huge wooden ships in the 1400s that may have been as large as the Ark. The biblical Ark is one of the largest wooden ships of all time, a mid-sized cargo ship even by today’s standards.

The Ark had three decks (see Gen. 6:16), so this gives you an idea of its overall size. With a capacity of 1.5 million cubic feet, it would have had sufficient room for all the people, animals (kinds), and supplies.

TrajansKong:

Lilbrown007:

OLAADEGBU:


Cosmo Vern said: "I'd like to point out, in addition to my earlier reply, that only one of two scenarios could have allowed 3.6 million animals (1.8 million species, in pairs) and 8 humans to fit on the ark. 1. God shrank the animals so they'd all fit. 2. Noah was a Time Lord and the ark was a TARDIS."

Response:

There's one more scenario you haven't considered. See if you can spot the repetition of a particular word that skeptics dislike:

"Of the birds after their kind, of animals after their kind, and of every creeping thing of the earth after its kind, two of every kind will come to you to keep them alive" (Genesis 6:20).

That's right, it's the dreaded word "kind"—that archaic word that the dictionary defines as "a class or group of individual objects, people, animals, etc., of the same nature or character, or classified together because they have traits in common." It's a despised word because it means God didn't have to get today's approximately 6.5 million species to fit onto the ark. It means Noah needed only one pair for the canine kind—from which would come all the species of dog, from the Chihuahua to the Great Dane—and one pair for the feline kind—from which would come the domesticated cat and the tiger, etc. So now we are talking just thousands of animals, not millions. And because these animals need not have been fully grown (averaging the size of a sheep), it becomes possible.

Another consideration is the size of the ark. It wasn't the little rubber-ducky-bobbing-boat portrayed in kid's cartoons. It was a massive three-level ship, the size of one and a half football fields.

jonbellion:


People still believe in a literal Noahs flood. They believe that saltwater fish can survive with freshwater *facepalm* or that plants can stay underwater for a year
People believe that marsupials like kangaroos, koalas, wombats and Tasmanian Devils swam all the way from Australia, passed the Indian ocean all the way to get to a boat created by 8 unskilled people who didn't have the slightest knowledge of physics and architecture
And when the ark landed on mount Ararat the marsupials went all the way back to Australia from turkey without any evidence of thier migration whatsoever neither did they stop and populate any other continent on thier journey back plus no fossils of the migration whatsoever
The sensible christians are calling this an allegory and people are saying that the flood is literal
*sigh*
why is Africa like this

EvilBrain1:
How did Noah fit 2 million insects (1 million species x 2) into the ark? And how did be manage to fit 12,000 amphibians, 20,000 birds, 11,000 mammals, 16,000 reptiles and god knows how many crustaceans, arachnids and mollusks into a boat that must have already been overflowing with insects? Where did he find space to keep a years worth of food for all those animals? How did he keep the meat for the Lions, tigers and other carnivores fresh for a whole year? Why did he take mosquitoes, tapeworms, guinea worms and the HIV virus aboard the ark? Did he infect himself with all those parasites, or did he force his wife and children to carry them? How come all the animals didn't freeze to death at 9,000 metres altitude (the height of Mount Everest which must have been underwater) Where did they find oxygen to breathe at that height? What did all the animals eat after getting off the ark? All the plants must have died after a year underwater, and all the animals would have drowned so no food for herbivores or carnivores. How come all the fish in the ocean survived? Saltwater fish can't survive in freshwater and the ocean would have been massively diluted with all that rain. Or did the ark also have a salty fish tank with space for 60,000 fish (30,000 species x 2)? And how did he feed all those fish?

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[b]This argument has been rebuffed a million times in this forum. Typical atheist questions.

Noah fit 2 million insects (1 million species x 2) into the ark? And how did be manage to fit 12,000 amphibians, 20,000 birds, 11,000 mammals, 16,000 reptiles, etc

God did not instruct Noah to bring two of every species on the boat. But rather in, Genesis 6:19-20

"19 And of every living thing of all flesh, two of every sort shalt thou bring into the ark, to keep them alive with thee; they shall be male and female."

"20 Of fowls after their kind, and of cattle after their kind, of every creeping thing of the earth after his kind, two of every sort shall come unto thee, to keep them alive."

The bible described 3 categories of life. Categories which are close to our own classifications of the animal kingdom.

Every kind of bird’ - The bird kingdom.

Every kind of animal- The mammal kingdom.

Every creature that moves on the ground - Reptiles, amphibians, and insect Kingdom. Etc.



Ask them how a kangaroo hoped all the way from Australia to the middle east. Or the penguin or polar bear how did they enter the ark from the other side of the world?

Kangaroos did not hop all the way from Australia to the ark. However, the Bible states that the animals came to Noah; he did not have to round them up (Genesis 6:20). God apparently caused the animals to come to Noah. How he did that is irrelevant!

How did terrestrial plant life survive after being submerged in water for half a year?

Many terrestrial seeds can survive long periods of soaking in various concentrations of salt water. Salt water impedes the germination of some species so that the seed lasts better in salt water than fresh water.

Other plants could have survived in floating vegetation masses, or on pumice from the volcanic activity. Pieces of many plants are still capable of asexual sprouting.

Many plants could have survived as planned food stores on the ark, or accidental inclusions in such food stores (Genesis 6:21).

Many seeds have devices for attaching themselves to animals, and some could have survived the flood by this means.

Others could have survived in the stomachs of the bloated, floating carcasses of dead herbivores.

The olive leaf brought back to Noah by the dove (Genesis 8:11) shows that plants were regenerating well before Noah and company left the ark.

Where did all the water go to?

There are a number of Scripture passages that identify the Flood waters with the present-day seas (Amos 9:6 and Job 38:8-11 note “waves”).

Psalm 104 suggests an answer. After the waters covered the mountains (verse 6), God rebuked them and they fled (verse 7); the mountains rose, the valleys sank down (verse and God set a boundary so that they will never again cover the Earth (verse 9)[1]. They are the same waters! Isaiah gives this same statement that the waters of Noah would never again cover the Earth (Isaiah 54:9).

What the Bible is actually telling is that God acted to alter the Earth's topography. New continental landmasses bearing new mountain chains of folded rock strata were uplifted from below the globe encircling waters that had eroded and leveled the pre-Flood topography, while large deep ocean basin were formed to receive and accommodate the Flood waters that then drained off the emerging continents.

How did Noah and the animals survive the cold and lack of oxygen, since they were higher than the tallest mountain?

Mount Everest was not the height it is now during the Flood. Earth's highest mountains have fossils of sea creatures at their tops, showing they were once under the sea.


The possibilities are that… the sea rose to cover the mountains or the mountains were once under the sea and have since risen out of the sea, or a combination of the two.

Even if the flood waters were 9 kilometers deep,Noah and the animals would not have had trouble breathing. Air pressure is caused by the weight of air above the point where the pressure is experienced.


If the water was 9 kilometers deep, then the air that was in that 9 kilometers deep volume of what was atmosphere would have been pushed out and would then have sat above the water at 9 kilometers above the Earth's surface.

How did fresh water fish survive, since the ocean covered the world?

If the world was covered by water in the flood, then there would have been a mixing of fresh and salt waters. 

There are migratory species of fish that travel between salt and fresh water. E.g, salmon, striped bass, and Atlantic spurgeon spawn in fresh water and mature in salt water. Eels reproduce in salt water and grow to maturity in fresh water streams and lakes.

Many of today's species of fish are able to adjust to both fresh water and salt water. There is also evidence of post-flood specialization within a kind of fish. E.g, the Atlantic sturgeon is a migratory salt/freshwater species but the Siberian sturgeon (a different species of the same kind) lives only in fresh water.


How did all the animals return to their natural habitat?

Many of them could have floated on vast floating logs, left-overs from the massive pre-flood forests that were ripped up during the flood and likely remained afloat for many decades on the world’s oceans, transported by world currents.

Others could later have been taken by people. Savolainen et al., have suggested, for example, that all Australian dingoes are descended from a single female domesticated dog from Southeast Asia.

A third explanation of possible later migration is that animals could have crossed land bridges. This is, after all, how it is supposed by evolutionists that many animals and people migrated from Asia to the Americas—over a land bridge at the Bering Straits.

For such land bridges to have existed, we may need to assume that sea levels were lower in the post-Flood period—an assumption based on a biblical model of the Ice Age.


Why is there no evidence of the flood, none whatsoever. There should be fossils to correspond with the mass extinction, like in the case of the dinosaurs?

Global flood evidences includes:

The earth's features, such as mountains, canyons, regional stratigraphy (large-scale single rock beds), soft bending of rock strata, etc.) require some type of catastrophic explanation.

Sedimentary rock formations (formed through water deposition) cover substantial portions of North America and other continents.

There is no evidence that coal, oil, or ore deposits are being formed today, yet massive deposits are found in the earth.

Likewise, the earth contains many great fossil beds, none of which appear to be forming today either. Fossils require rapid burial to be preserved.

Ocean fossils are found at high altitudes on all five continents.

Exceptions in the geologic column indicate that it was not formed in a gradual manner, such as the appearance of single trees that extend vertically through multiple ages.

Why did Noah take HIV to the ark?

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