dearpreye:


There was no way Jesus would have condemned tithing at the time, since it was still the dispensation of the law. The moment He died, all the law was fulfilled. Tithing belongs in the era of the law.

Tithing came before the law.

mainstream christianity teaches the OT laws and commandments of God are now obsolete and christians don't have to keep them. But hypocritically they still require the OT law of tithing. That is contradictory. Yes it's true the tithe can not be done as commanded by God but for a different reason. First, we must the nature and purpose of tithing according to the Father Himself then we will understand why it isnt possible today. Check out this short video and tell me what you think.

https://www.youtube.com/shared?ci=jnOeEgMQNyI

seguno2:


When Jesus spoke about it in Matthew 23:23 was He dead and resurrected?
No!
Had he FULFILLED the law by His death and resurrection?
No!!
If a law/contract is FULFILLED, do you need to still work under the law/contract?
No!!!

Tithing came before the law

pennywys:
what did He said about tithe?

Pick up your Bible

MuttleyLaff:
Aaargh, Hebrews 7 is not positing tithes,
Hebrews 7 is solely about the priesthood of Jesus Christ
It is talking about Jesus and putting forward as fact that Jesus is of a superior priesthood to that of the Levites

For when the priesthood is changed, the Law must be changed as well
- Hebrews 7:12

Have you not noticed or read the transition in Hebrews 7:12?
The law of the Spirit (e.g. cheerful giving etcetera) has replaced the law of sin and death (e.g. tithe giving etcetera)

Heb 7:5 Now the law requires the descendants of Levi who become priests to collect a tenth from the people--that is, their brothers--even though their brothers are descended from Abraham.
Heb 7:6 This man, however, did not trace his descent from Levi, yet he collected a tenth from Abraham and blessed him who had the promises.
Heb 7:7 And without doubt the lesser person is blessed by the greater.
Heb 7:8 In the one case, the tenth is collected by men who die; but in the other case, by him who is declared to be living.
Heb 7:9 One might even say that Levi, who collects the tenth, paid the tenth through Abraham,
Heb 7:10 because when Melchizedek met Abraham, Levi was still in the body of his ancestor.

(Did you get that? This is saying that even under the (Old Covenant) Aaronic Priesthood, that the tithe was actually still being collected (for Melchizedek) through Abraham - because the Levites were all his descendants and were only stand-ins for Abraham!)

Heb 7:11 If perfection could have been attained through the Levitical priesthood (for on the basis of it the law was given to the people), why was there still need for another priest to come--one in the order of Melchizedek, not in the order of Aaron?
Heb 7:12 For when there is a change of the priesthood, there must also be a change of the law.
Heb 7:13 He of whom these things are said belonged to a different tribe, and no one from that tribe has ever served at the altar.
Heb 7:14 For it is clear that our Lord descended from Judah, and in regard to that tribe Moses said nothing about priests.
Heb 7:15 And what we have said is even more clear if another priest like Melchizedek appears,
Heb 7:16 one who has become a priest not on the basis of a regulation as to his ancestry but on the basis of the power of an indestructible life. ...

This is pointing out that:

The tithe pre-dates and supercedes the Mosaic Law and the Aaronic priesthood under the Melchizedek priesthood in Abraham's day.
Both the Old Covenant Law and priesthood have now changed. From the Old Covenant to the New Covenant and that the priesthood were actually only collecting the tithe for the Melchizedek priesthood all the time.

The tithe (The tenth) now goes (or continues to go) to Jesus as our High Priest after the order of Melchizedek.

Or another way to boil it down is that the Melchizedek priesthood of which the Son of God (Jesus) is our High Priest, has always existed and that all tithes collected were and are still His to receive. Jesus is the High Priest of the Heavenly Temple. The tenth, (the tithe, 10%) was paid to the High Priest by Abraham, and the tenth is still to be paid to our High Priest (Jesus) today! But, now Jesus is seated at the right hand of Father God in Heaven, yet His earthly ministry continues here on Earth.

DeKen:

Hebrews 7:5-10New International Version (NIV)

5 Now the law requires the descendants of Levi who become priests to collect a tenth from the people—that is, from their fellow Israelites—even though they also are descended from Abraham. 6 This man(Melchizedech), however, did not trace his descent from Levi, yet he collected a tenth from Abraham and blessed him who had the promises.

You people keep amazing Me in justifying fraudulent Act, pls lets Analyse;

Genesis 14:18-20
Abram gave ONE-TENTH (10%) of all the goods of Sodom that were stolen by Chedorlaomer to Melchizedek. Abram did NOT tithe from his own possessions, an essential fact to refute tithing practices [/b]in the new covenant.

Are you now saying Christians should be paying 10% of goods and money they do not own! Even worse, paying tithes this way means they have to find someone who has be robbed and recover the stolen goods.

For example, if jewelry was stolen in a burglary, the tithing Christian must first return the stolen goods to the rightful owner, who must not be a Christian, (in keeping true to the symbolism of Abram and Melchizedek) and then use 10% of the recovered goods as a tithe to the church. This is an outlandishly absurd example and it ought to be ample proof for rejecting this false doctrine of church tithing
Even The jew pharisee jesus condemned Aknowledge that isrealites tithe only from their own possesion.
Luke 18:12
I fast twice in the week, [b]I give tithes of all that I possess

Try harder

Mat 23:23  "How terrible it will be for you, scribes and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your mint, dill, and cummin, but have neglected the more important matters of the Law: justice, mercy, and faithfulness. These are the things you should have practiced, without neglecting the others. 

ilynem:
Contrary to popular belief, tithing is not an old testament thingy. Jesus spoke about it in Matthew 23:23.

brightalo17:
Read that again and see if there is a question sign at the end which signified it to be a question not an allegation or fact about you.

An unnecessary question. So cuz I fornicate and steal, I can as well not pay tithe?

DeKen:
Nice comic relief

I will give you nice comic relief in a minute.

DeKen:
Paul said he is entitled to it as commanded but he "himself" will not use the right to it, hence he chooses to let it come willingly

Entitled to what gangan, ah?
Paul said he was entitled to support from the churches, HE DID NOT SAY HE WAS ENTITLED TO TITHE, haba.
Chief kilode?

DeKen:
Just like he had chosen not to marry so that he can concentrate on the work of God and even encourages those who can to follow suit.
So if you should minister, would you say you must not marry because Paul encouraged consecration?

You really need to go read up more on 1 Corinthians 7:25

DeKen:
Even where the provision is there, you can choose not to pay the tithe.
After all God created man with freedom of choice.
You are advised to choose life, but it's still all up to you to choose life or death.

The provision of the law of aerodynamic is there
One can choose to ignore the the law of aerodynamic and instead only pay attention to the law of gravity
After all God created man with freedom of choice
and that one, will remain grounded and not be in the air

The law of the spirit, is life
The law of sin and death? Well, its self explanatory
It is sin to pay tithe.
One is missing the mark, if one is paying tithe

jarmy:
Mat 23:23  "How terrible it will be for you, scribes and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your mint, dill, and cummin, but have neglected the more important matters of the Law: justice, mercy, and faithfulness. These are the things you should have practiced, without neglecting the others. 

Do you understand it?

ilynem:
Tithing came before the law

Not according to Deuteronomy 14: 22-29.
Have you read the passage?

samuelezekiel:


Don't get it twisted... Tithe is been paid on profit you have from the one you invested not, Israelites main occupation was agriculture then.
Being a royal priesthood doesn't main you wouldn't pay tithe, even priest are expected to pay tithes.

Delusion ..
Werent there fishermen at that time ??
Werent there tent makers at that time ??
Did Jesus pay tithe ??
Did Paul pay tithe ??
Did any of the apostles pay tithe ??
Did any of the apostles teach about tithing ??

DeKen:



The tithe (The tenth) now goes (or continues to go) to Jesus as our High Priest after the order of Melchizedek.

Bolded above, kindly tell us or define The Phrase 'after the order of Melchizedeck' i am waiting!

MuttleyLaff:
If it's tithe commanded by God, then tithe to the Levites
If it's tithe not commanded by God (e.g. like the Abraham kind of tithing),
then tithe to a priest or to a warlord like was already being done in Abraham's times

If it's tithe commanded by God,
then it should be one tenth of the produce of the land in ISRAEL, whether grain from the fields or fruit from the trees.

If it's tithe not commanded by God (e.g. like the Abraham kind of tithing)
then it should be one tenth of spoils of war (i.e. one tenth of what's obtained off another person(s))

Do you mean Christians are not under the law of sin and death?

True.
Jesus didnt pay tithe as his occupation wasnt agricultural

True.
The fishermen nor doctor dont and didnt pay tithe

True.
After 70 AD, the temple was no more and so no Levites serving in the temple to give tithe to

True.
They taught about a superior or higher law (i.e. the transition from the the law of sin and death to the law of the Spirit)

The church doesnt have priests now (Ephesians 4:11)
And since the early church didnt pay tithe .. then we should also not pay tithe

If you want to engage in meaningful discussion leave rhetorics

BERNIMOORE:


You people keep amazing Me in justifying fraudulent Act, pls lets Analyse;

Genesis 14:18-20
Abram gave ONE-TENTH (10%) of all the goods of Sodom that were stolen by Chedorlaomer to Melchizedek. Abram did NOT tithe from his own possessions, an essential fact to refute tithing practices [/b]in the new covenant.

Are you now saying Christians should be paying 10% of goods and money they do not own! Even worse, paying tithes this way means they have to find someone who has be robbed and recover the stolen goods.

For example, if jewelry was stolen in a burglary, the tithing Christian must first return the stolen goods to the rightful owner, who must not be a Christian, (in keeping true to the symbolism of Abram and Melchizedek) and then use 10% of the recovered goods as a tithe to the church. This is an outlandishly absurd example and it ought to be ample proof for rejecting this false doctrine of church tithing
Even The jew pharisee jesus condemned Aknowledge that isrealites tithe only from their own possesion.
Luke 18:12
I fast twice in the week, [b]I give tithes of all that I possess

Try harder

Read and digest. Picture taken from a STUDY Bible

ilynem:
Tithing came before the law.

God didn't instruct Abraham or Jacob to tithe They paid tithe on their free will

MuttleyLaff:
I will give you comic relief in a minute.

Entitled to what gangan, ah?
Paul said he was entitled to support from the churches, HE DID NOT SAY HE WAS ENTITLED TO TITHE, haba.
Chief kilode?

You really need to go read up more on 1 Corinthians 7:25

The provision of the law of aerodynamic is there
One can choose to ignore the the law of aerodynamic and instead only pay attention to the law of gravity
After all God created man with freedom of choice
and that one, will remain grounded and not be in the air

The law of the spirit, is life
The law of sin and death? Well, its self explanatory
It is sin to pay tithe.
One is missing the mark if one is paying tithe

BERNIMOORE:
Answer the question, ignore what you feel is rhetotorics i am fully waiting for meaningfull discussion, first what do you understand by 'after the order of melchizedek'? only with bible quotation!

Heb 7:5 Now the law requires the descendants of Levi who become priests to collect a tenth from the people--that is, their brothers--even though their brothers are descended from Abraham.
Heb 7:6 This man, however, did not trace his descent from Levi, yet he collected a tenth from Abraham and blessed him who had the promises.
Heb 7:7 And without doubt the lesser person is blessed by the greater.
Heb 7:8 In the one case, the tenth is collected by men who die; but in the other case, by him who is declared to be living.
Heb 7:9 One might even say that Levi, who collects the tenth, paid the tenth through Abraham,
Heb 7:10 because when Melchizedek met Abraham, Levi was still in the body of his ancestor.

(Did you get that? This is saying that even under the (Old Covenant) Aaronic Priesthood, that the tithe was actually still being collected (for Melchizedek) through Abraham - because the Levites were all his descendants and were only stand-ins for Abraham!)

Heb 7:11 If perfection could have been attained through the Levitical priesthood (for on the basis of it the law was given to the people), why was there still need for another priest to come--one in the order of Melchizedek, not in the order of Aaron?
Heb 7:12 For when there is a change of the priesthood, there must also be a change of the law.
Heb 7:13 He of whom these things are said belonged to a different tribe, and no one from that tribe has ever served at the altar.
Heb 7:14 For it is clear that our Lord descended from Judah, and in regard to that tribe Moses said nothing about priests.
Heb 7:15 And what we have said is even more clear if another priest like Melchizedek appears,
Heb 7:16 one who has become a priest not on the basis of a regulation as to his ancestry but on the basis of the power of an indestructible life. ...

This is pointing out that:

The tithe pre-dates and supercedes the Mosaic Law and the Aaronic priesthood under the Melchizedek priesthood in Abraham's day.
Both the Old Covenant Law and priesthood have now changed. From the Old Covenant to the New Covenant and that the priesthood were actually only collecting the tithe for the Melchizedek priesthood all the time.

The tithe (The tenth) now goes (or continues to go) to Jesus as our High Priest after the order of Melchizedek.

Or another way to boil it down is that the Melchizedek priesthood of which the Son of God (Jesus) is our High Priest, has always existed and that all tithes collected were and are still His to receive. Jesus is the High Priest of the Heavenly Temple. The tenth, (the tithe, 10%) was paid to the High Priest by Abraham, and the tenth is still to be paid to our High Priest (Jesus) today! But, now Jesus is seated at the right hand of Father God in Heaven, yet His earthly ministry continues here on Earth.

(Note that Paul uses an Old Covenant illustration for financial support of the ministry. I mention this because some people believe that everything Moses gave as part of the Law is no longer even relevant to a New Covenant Christian. )
(Note also that this outreach was part of Paul's ministry - and Paul was not a Pastor of a church.)

1 Cor 9:9 For it is written in the Law of Moses: "Do not muzzle an ox while it is treading out the grain." Is it about the oxen that God is concerned?
1 Cor 9:10 Surely he says this for us, doesn't he? Yes, this was written for us, because when the plowman plows and the thresher threshes, they ought to do so in the hope of sharing in the harvest.
1 Cor 9:11 If we have sown spiritual seed among you, is it too much if we reap a material harvest from you?

(Note that Paul also believed in the principal of financial sowing and reaping.)

1 Cor 9:12 If others have this right of support from you, shouldn't we have it all the more? But we did not use this right. On the contrary, we put up with anything rather than hinder the gospel of Christ.

(Note also that Paul states that he (the ministry) has the right to expect to be financially supported by those ministered to.)

(Next Paul uses the Old Covenant Levitical priesthood as an illustration for financial support of the ministry. This is the Levitical priesthood, which received the tithe. I mention this because in nearly all of the anti-tithe teachings they state that the Levitical system has no relevance to New Covenant Christians. Now remember, Paul is talking about financial support here ...)

1 Cor 9:13 Don't you know that those who work in the temple get their food from the temple, and those who serve at the altar share in what is offered on the altar?
1 Cor 9:14 IN THE SAME WAY, the Lord has commanded that those who preach the gospel should receive their living from the gospel.

Entitled to what gangan, ah?

(Question: How was food provided to those who worked in the temple? Answer: The tithe and the offerings.)

DeKen:
If you want to engage in meaningful discussion leave rhetorics

Answer the question, ignore what you feel is rhetotorics i am fully waiting for meaningfull discussion, first what do you understand by 'after the order of melchizedek'? only with bible quotation!

Junia:


God didn't instruct Abraham or Jacob to tithe
They paid tithe on their free will

No one is forcing you.

seguno2:


Not according to Deuteronomy 14: 22-29.
Have you read the passage?

Abraham paid tithe

Junia:


They were still under the law at that time
Christians are not under the law
Tithing was not money but agricultural products
Jesus didnt pay tithe neither did His disciples because they had no agricultural products
The tithe was for the levites .. priests .. widows etc
Now we Christians are the royal priesthood
Who are we paying tithes to ??

I have an opinion which I think is perfect as regards tithing but I can't write it all here. Coincidentally, I found my exact same opinion able tithing on this site as I Googled it just now. And this is how I've treated tithing since I was in the university many years ago.

http://www.crosswalk.com/family/finances/is-tithing-for-the-new-testament-believer-11579309.html

ilynem:
No one is forcing you.

Stop following the law Read Galatians 3:9 - 14

ilynem:
Contrary to popular belief, tithing is not an old testament thingy. Jesus spoke about it in Matthew 23:23.

What exactly do you understand by that passage

ilynem:

Abraham paid tithe

He did nothing of the sort.
Abraham (Ibrahim to Muslims) paid a tenth of what he looted from the war he won.
No correlation with the tithes of Israelites detailed in Deuteronomy 14: 22-29.

olujastro:

I have an opinion which I think is perfect as regards tithing but I can't write it all here. Coincidentally, I found my exact same opinion able tithing on this site as I Googled it just now. And this is how I've treated tithing since I was in the university many years ago.

http://www.crosswalk.com/family/finances/is-tithing-for-the-new-testament-believer-11579309.html

Matthew 23:23 was still talking about the law
Jesus was still alive so was still encouraging them to obey the law
Read Galatians 3:9-14

petra1:


All" the tithes to the priest and thou shall eat the tithe " do they sound the same ? YEARLY and every THREE years " do they sound same ?

1. The Levitical, or sacred tithe (Num. 18: 21, 24).

2. The tithe of the feasts (Deut. 14:22-27).

3. The tithe for the poor (Deut. 14:28, 29).

Who did Abraham eat his tithe with

Have you tried to find out why Tithe was paid at all? God separated the levites from their brothers (The Children of Israel) to be His Priest. This separation made them forfeit there lands and goods in Israel to a total service to God. This land Originally belong to all the Children of Israel and the levites are descendant of Levi, a direct son of Jacob who God separated with his descendants to be priest unto him. Because of this calling to serve God and forfeiture of landed properties, God now instructed their brothers and their descendants to give one 10th of all they acquired from the land, to sustain there brothers who where part owners of these lands and therefore are entitled to what is gotten from it. But they where separated by God. Compare that to today Pastors who own landed properties, Universities and all... do they have the moral standing to accept tithe going by the reason why God instituted tithe? Think, read and be wise... Give your tithe to the poor... and Men of God willingly NOT because they coerce you to do so...God bless

Junia:


Matthew 23:23 was still talking about the law
Jesus was still alive so was still encouraging them to obey the law
Read Galatians 3:9-14

I'm almost sure you didn't read the info on the link I gave you. Or perhaps you are mistakenly responding to someone else. Read the link again if you want to shapen your knowledge about tithing for personal development. Except you just want to win arguments on NL.

CecyAdrian:


Am not condemning tithe paying, rather, I'm saying it's purpose is not in anyway being achieved, rather it's being twisted to suit the selfish desires of some people.

....its not ur business wat ur tithe is being used for....as far as u obey God first by paying it....those who use it are answerable to God....so simply do ur part by paying it....cos iv come to understand that people who talk like you are just those who do not want to pay their tithes and hence defend their act by saying the pastors are not using it well....let God be the judge.

petra1:


It's a matter of choice .People did gave Money as tithes and offerings in the Bible days . For example the man that rears dogs or horses can't bring them to the temple because they are termed unclean but he can give money equivalent. Also wounded animals could be redeemed with money . And lastly people do give money of their gains as tithes and offering




Leviticus 27:30-31 (KJV)
30 And all the tithe of the land, whether of the seed of the land, or of the fruit of the tree, is the Lord's: it is holy unto the Lord. 31 And if a man will at all redeem ought of his tithes, he shall add thereto the fifth part thereof.

Leviticus 27:27 (KJV)
27 And if it be of an unclean beast, then he shall redeem it according to thine estimation, and shall add a fifth part of it thereto: or if it be not redeemed, then it shall be sold according to thy estimation.

Matthew 23:23 (NLT)
23 . . . .For you are careful to tithe even the tiniest income from your herb gardens, but you ignore the more important aspects of the law—justice, mercy, and faith. You should tithe, yes, but do not neglect the more important things.

Luke 18:12 (AMPC)
12 I fast twice a week; I give tithes of all that I gain.

The point is that they gave cash of their income in cash .

olujastro:

I'm almost sure you didn't read the info on the link I gave you. Or perhaps you are mistakenly responding to someone else. Read the link again if you want to shapen your knowledge about tithing for personal development. Except you just want to win arguments on NL.

This is fraudulent of you, the Bible never instructed giving cash as tithe, what it stated was that if tithe you are bringing is the perishable type that won't get to the temple in one piece, sell it and bring the money to the temple where you are to rebuy what you sold, then offer as tithe. You stopped at verse 27 maybe purposely to hide the truth.

As for Mathew 23:23, KJV didn't include any "income", I had to go back to my bible, the NKJV must have tipped that in to try to "cover" for the money excuse.

Kindly quote your KJV and see.

CecyAdrian:
While reading through the scripture one day, I came across rules and regulations concerning tithe in Deuteronomy , I was shocked because I never knew that the issue of tithe was talked about anywhere else excerpt in Malachi 3:8. Now, when you take a look at Deuteronomy 14 when God was giving the children of Israelite rules and regulations, God explained the concept or reason for tithe to them and gave them rules to abide in regards to it, from verse 22 downwards explains it so well.

Then you also go to Deuteronomy 26:12 downwards, the same rule was also repeated, and an very sure that the reason why God said that we should bring our tithes and offering in Malachi 3: 10 was for the actualization of his rules and regulation in Deuteronomy, which is feeding the Levites, poor, widows and the needy in the society

So, now I ask, why do pastors prefer Malachi even to the extent of twisting it to favour their aims instead of giving their church members the full concept, rules and regulations regarding tithing which the Lord commanded in Deuteronomy.

Your eyes are beginning to open, keep doing what you are doing. Read the Bible by yourself all the facts are there. They often read Malachi to scare people of the impending danger when their tihthes is not paid

CecyAdrian:


Are our present day men of God descendants of Levites to be collecting tithe and moreover, I thought the death of Jesus Christ put an end to all these laws?

...did the death of God also put an end to giving offrrings and doin the right things according to His will?....you know the truth..stop justifying your wrongs with old and New testaments....Your tithes belong to God....pay it