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Re: Can I Believe God But Not Jesus And Still Make Heaven? by phanshark(m): 11:52am On Jan 29, 2017
jchioma:
Dear Brethren, in Exodus 4:22 God Himself said, "And thou shalt say unto Pharaoh, Thus saith the LORD, Israel is my son, even my firstborn". And in John 3:16, a mere man by the name of John said: "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believes in him should not perish, but have everlasting life". Who are we to believe?. I love God and want to serve Him according to His way, and not by the concoctions of men. I want to believe God ONLY, but will I go to hell for not believing in Jesus as I doubt his story? Bible scholars should please me out. Thank you.

then,you will have to wait for God second list. that is if you are even qualified
Re: Can I Believe God But Not Jesus And Still Make Heaven? by MrHenshaw: 11:53am On Jan 29, 2017
jchioma:


All the quotations you have given above are from the same John. Does that not contradict the Almighty's statement as I quoted in Exodus 4:22?


All the people you call your "brothers" today are they from your mother.

Answer ds question:
who tells an orphan that lost d parents at infant age his/her date of birth?
And incase u get it right,y will he believe and make it his birthday?
Wisdom is profitable to direct.

I still will like u to check John 10.30 and John 14.9b.
Re: Can I Believe God But Not Jesus And Still Make Heaven? by Sallam01(m): 11:55am On Jan 29, 2017
Lie everywhere

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Re: Can I Believe God But Not Jesus And Still Make Heaven? by Tenny05(m): 11:59am On Jan 29, 2017
The bible says Jesus is the way, the truth and life, no one cometh to the father except throuhg Jesus. cool
Re: Can I Believe God But Not Jesus And Still Make Heaven? by ct2: 12:03pm On Jan 29, 2017
no one can get to the father expect through the son (Jesus )
Re: Can I Believe God But Not Jesus And Still Make Heaven? by morayho(m): 12:06pm On Jan 29, 2017
jchioma:
Dear Brethren, in Exodus 4:22 God Himself said, "And thou shalt say unto Pharaoh, Thus saith the LORD, Israel is my son, even my firstborn". And in John 3:16, a mere man by the name of John said: "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believes in him should not perish, but have everlasting life". Who are we to believe?. I love God and want to serve Him according to His way, and not by the concoctions of men. I want to believe God ONLY, but will I go to hell for not believing in Jesus as I doubt his story? Bible scholars should please me out. Thank you.

Even Demons believe and know God yet they are not saved.
Re: Can I Believe God But Not Jesus And Still Make Heaven? by kokomilala(m): 12:10pm On Jan 29, 2017
Just read Acts 4:12.
Re: Can I Believe God But Not Jesus And Still Make Heaven? by damilarelr(m): 12:11pm On Jan 29, 2017
jchioma:
Dear Brethren, in Exodus 4:22 God Himself said, "And thou shalt say unto Pharaoh, Thus saith the LORD, Israel is my son, even my firstborn". And in John 3:16, a mere man by the name of John said: "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believes in him should not perish, but have everlasting life". Who are we to believe?. I love God and want to serve Him according to His way, and not by the concoctions of men. I want to believe God ONLY, but will I go to hell for not believing in Jesus as I doubt his story? Bible scholars should please me out. Thank you.


Heu Chioma, one thing you should first of all note is that when reading the Bible and you see the word LORD, it is referring to Him who came in the person of Jesus Christ. Just as God is 3 in 1, and i in 3, you can't claim to believe in God and not believe in Jesus or His Spirit (Holy Spirit), they are all One and the same. It's a mystery. John wrote by the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, so it was not a mortal man "like John" who inspired John 3:16.

For those who says Jesus is like any other man like us, well, Jesus is not a mortal man like us. He only has the name through which mankind has been saved from now till the end of the world.
Re: Can I Believe God But Not Jesus And Still Make Heaven? by gabbysegzy: 12:15pm On Jan 29, 2017
Jesus christ is the way,the truth and the life.No one come to God except through Jesus.No Jesus,no heaven.
Re: Can I Believe God But Not Jesus And Still Make Heaven? by truthstands11: 12:20pm On Jan 29, 2017
It is not possible period. Jesus Christ is the only way to heaven for His father has giving Him all the powers that without Him, you can't enter heaven. John Chapter 14 and 17 will help you if you want to know the truth.
Re: Can I Believe God But Not Jesus And Still Make Heaven? by jadyclem(m): 12:21pm On Jan 29, 2017
jonbellion:
Well there was never a heaven in the first place
The afterlife is a coping mechanism for the fear of our mortality
When you die you die dude

I hail bro! do you know that the real you is not your body but your soul? that is why d body is left here when a man dies. man became a living soul after God the creator breathed into him (genesis 2:7)
every soul will go back to God to account for what they did on earth: the account you will give to him will determine where you will spend your after life. but don't forget that rejecting Jesus Christ the son of God is the same as rejecting his father God and no man can spend his/her after life in God's presence having rejected God and his son- Jesus Christ while on earth. it's up to you sha!
Re: Can I Believe God But Not Jesus And Still Make Heaven? by adegeye38(m): 12:22pm On Jan 29, 2017
You cant believe in God without believing in Jesus

without believing Jesus you cant go to heaven, it is your believe in the death and resurrection of jesus christ that gets you to heaven.

also God, Jesus and the holy spirit are one in 3 persons,

So you can't believe in them separately.
Re: Can I Believe God But Not Jesus And Still Make Heaven? by Raskasal(m): 12:27pm On Jan 29, 2017
But how will you know God if not for Jesus
Re: Can I Believe God But Not Jesus And Still Make Heaven? by Olabenjamen22(m): 12:28pm On Jan 29, 2017
Well you cannot believe in the teaching of someone, if you don't believe in the person himself, even Muslims pray to allah in the grace of there prophet Muhammad,i will urge you to study the book of Isaiah so that you can know what bring about new testament. Peace
Re: Can I Believe God But Not Jesus And Still Make Heaven? by RooRuudRonSaha(m): 12:28pm On Jan 29, 2017
Imyourex:


Whats the capital of Pakistan??
christianityisbad.
Re: Can I Believe God But Not Jesus And Still Make Heaven? by jchioma: 12:30pm On Jan 29, 2017
crackhouse:
Religion will continue to be our problem in this country. Just look at what this thread is turning into. Sb just want to be clarify on some issue he doesn't understand and it have already turn to an avenue for name calling and show of hatred. Everybody giving his or her own interpretation and attacking the OP while the main question remain unanswered.

Thank you my dear. All I needed was a simple clarification.
God said; 'Look unto me and be saved... For I am God and there's no other'. (Isaiah 45;22), so when did He change His mind and sent another God (saviour) in person of Jesus?

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Re: Can I Believe God But Not Jesus And Still Make Heaven? by ayindejimmy(m): 12:30pm On Jan 29, 2017
Not a chance. Jesus and God is like white on rice.
Notice I said "is"

Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me

How do you want to get to God without Jesus?
Re: Can I Believe God But Not Jesus And Still Make Heaven? by amahthelma(f): 12:31pm On Jan 29, 2017
analice107:
OP, you can go to Allah's heaven, you must not go to Yahweh's heaven. In Yahweh's heaven, there are rules which you obviously are challenging, so, don't bother. There are other heaven's. Go there.
what re u insinuating cos I don't seem to get......are you trying to make us understand dat two heavens re existing.......Gosh!!!! OP pls don't b misled by d words of d ignorant#may God help and save us all#

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Re: Can I Believe God But Not Jesus And Still Make Heaven? by Nobody: 12:34pm On Jan 29, 2017
CXLVII:


grin grin grin

How did you believe this fictions! A word manifesting into flesh..... grin

It's not fiction but the knowledge of truth. John 8:32 And ye shall know the truth and the truth shall make you free.

Just as said in john1;1 The word of God existed in the beginning , and that word was with and in God, and the WORD was God. That same word came to manifest and dwell amongst us in the flesh. The Word was GOD.


The WORD carries power because it's God himself the all powerful sovereign Lord
..
hebrews 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

As a Christian, without the Word of God, you're nothing because the word of God itself is God. When you begin to meditate on it day and night, it becomes a part of you which reconnects you to the LORD God. You cannot get to God without his words dwelling in you which is the testimony of Jesus , the son. "I am the way, the truth and the life, no man comes to the father except through me" says the Lord JESUS

And if you abide by Jesus, the word, He will abide by you and dwell in you always and you shall bear fruits (see John 15;1-8 )

John17:21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.


So brethren I want you to have faith and believe in the Lord Jesus, because he's the way, the truth and life and also a path way to the father.

Accept him now and be saved. shalom
Re: Can I Believe God But Not Jesus And Still Make Heaven? by anataala: 12:36pm On Jan 29, 2017
Brother you are on course Jesus is not God but a massenger of God and I challenge any Christian in the house to prove to me a single verse in the Bible where Jesus says I am God and also Please worship me.

So my brother God is one he has no partner so you are thinking in the right Direction just believe Jesu s as messenger like his predecessor before and after him from Adam , Moses, Joseph and so on

God bless you
Re: Can I Believe God But Not Jesus And Still Make Heaven? by yahmohy27: 12:36pm On Jan 29, 2017
Auki:
Worship God alone not Jesus or any other creatures.

Believe that Jesus, Noah, Abraham, Muhammad, Mosses(peace be on them all) etc are human being sent by God. They are to be obeyed not worship.

That is the right religion.
Simple as A B C
Re: Can I Believe God But Not Jesus And Still Make Heaven? by pressplay411(m): 12:37pm On Jan 29, 2017
Of cos you know you're setting yourself up. A Christian will tell you you're hell bound no 2 ways about it.
Other religions will tell you it's only if you can adhere to their strict doctrines. But Christians just don't want to hear that.
Re: Can I Believe God But Not Jesus And Still Make Heaven? by Yusuf54: 12:38pm On Jan 29, 2017
jchioma:
Dear Brethren, in Exodus 4:22 God Himself said, "And thou shalt say unto Pharaoh, Thus saith the LORD, Israel is my son, even my firstborn". And in John 3:16, a mere man by the name of John said: "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believes in him should not perish, but have everlasting life". Who are we to believe?. I love God and want to serve Him according to His way, and not by the concoctions of men. I want to believe God ONLY, but will I go to hell for not believing in Jesus as I doubt his story? Bible scholars should please me out. Thank you.

...u must believe in the oneness of God and his Prophets Including Jesus and Muhammod S.A.W to mk heaven n dont forget to do good things...
Re: Can I Believe God But Not Jesus And Still Make Heaven? by IyfeNamikaze(m): 12:38pm On Jan 29, 2017
Auki:

No contradiction between Jesus and Mosses teachings.
Both teaching call mankind to worship God alone without partner.
No Prophets, including Jesus, call mankind to worship him instead of God.
Jesus divinity as God, Son, Triune is invented.
No thanks to Roman paganism and Pauline Christian.
can you prove that His divinity was invented?
Re: Can I Believe God But Not Jesus And Still Make Heaven? by alvan06(m): 12:39pm On Jan 29, 2017
Moses even wrote in deutronomy18:15-19 God will raise another prophet from your midst Him shall you hear and whoever that dose not hear Him shall I require it from his hand,Israel (Jacob )prophesied about the coming Messiah called Shiloh even before his death in Genesis 49:9-11,all the prophet prophesied the coming of Jesus Christ until John and the whole Israel was expecting Him although He came but they were too blind to know Him because they were expecting Him to seat on a throne but not knowing that He came as a Servant to Save all through His Sacrifice on the cross, therefore my Friend i pray the eyes of your understanding be Enlightened to grasp the hidden mystery of God which has been revealed in Christ and accept it to know that there is no other way but Jesus. .......Peace from Christ Jesus.
Re: Can I Believe God But Not Jesus And Still Make Heaven? by 2point5: 12:39pm On Jan 29, 2017
In exodus, moses was speaking to the Egyptian pharaoh. The Egyptians were children of Ra (the Egyptian god), and pharaoh was his son, his first-born son!!

If I want to pass a message across to you, what better way to make myself clear than in a language you perfectly understand? This was a challenge between the son of Yahweh and the son of Ra.

God has only one begotten son, he's Jesus!! God said several times that this is my beloved son in whom I am pleased. You must know several characters have been described as sons of God in the Bible: angels, Adam, fallen angels etc, but not one did he say I have begotten but Jesus.

If you actually believe moses' account of Israel being God's son, why don't u believe John, Matthew, Mark, luke, Paul, Peter etc who expressly stated Jesus was the true son of God.

Jesus said no one comes to God but by me. He either knew what he was saying or he was a mad man. He is widely accepted in all major religions as one of the greatest men/prophet to ever walk the earth. From Christianity, Islam, Judaism, Buddhism etc. History books also speak deeply of him. He definitely knew what he was saying bro!!

If you truly want to know God, he's the icon to access the unending riches of the Godhead. Just the same way you tap on that WhatsApp icon on your phone, and you access all that WhatsApp has to offer!!
Re: Can I Believe God But Not Jesus And Still Make Heaven? by kilo4sure: 12:42pm On Jan 29, 2017
pinkyruledworld:
So u think Muslims dont believe in Jesus? u r wrong bro


FYI Yahweh and Allah means God in different languages, I know u know this but u just acting like u don't know and if u never knew an sorry for saying u know.

u have the right to bliv wat u bliv in.


He may not have the right to explain but I have actually heard a couple if people said JESUS IS GOD, what do u have to say about that?



FYI Muslims actually believe Jesus(Isah) pbuh is a messenger of God....NEXT!!!
What was his message then?
Re: Can I Believe God But Not Jesus And Still Make Heaven? by Aashik(m): 12:47pm On Jan 29, 2017
Jacksonville:



You're contradicting the Word of God.

John1:1 In the beginning was the WORD and the WORD was with GOD, and the WORD was GOD.

Jesus is the word of God that was made flesh. Believe in the word of God , Jesus also the Son of God so you may have life.

1 John 4 : 3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.


Since God has given us the ministry of reconciliation through Christ his Son. We must believe in Jesus because he's the path way that leads to God the father, and he holds The key to our salvation, destination and eternal life.
(john3:16)

John14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

John3:18 He that believeth on him[Jesus] is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Your high level of confusion is like a PLAGUE, don't bother to spread that cos no1 ain't buying it from ya.
listien to yourself " in the beginning was 'jchioma', 'jchioma' was with 'Jacksonville', and 'jchioma' was 'Jacksonville".
To what extent will you continue to reason with your Anus, and start reasoning with your Brain. those are two different personality.

Same goes for the contradiction the OP mentioned FIRST BORN and ONLY BEGOTTEN SON. and many other,
Do you even know how many "ONLY SON" claimed by ur God in the bible, uncountable to be precise. so what are u saying?


jchioma:
Dear Brethren, in Exodus 4:22 God Himself said, "And thou shalt say unto Pharaoh, Thus saith the LORD, Israel is my son, even my firstborn". And in John 3:16, a mere man by the name of John said: "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believes in him should not perish, but have everlasting life". Who are we to believe?. I love God and want to serve Him according to His way, and not by the concoctions of men. I want to believe God ONLY, but will I go to hell for not believing in Jesus as I doubt his story? Bible scholars should please me out. Thank you.

[b] Truely Jesus (PBUH) was the WORD of GOD ("be and and it is"wink, as Adam was also, but never
a son of God as uttered through the mouth of Jesus(PBUH) himself that he is a son of man.
The Bible often calls Jesus ‘a son of man’ or ‘the son of man.’
‘so will the son of man be’ (Matthew 12:40)
‘For the son of man is going to come’ (Matthew 16:27)
‘until they see the son of man coming in His kingdom.’ (Matthew 28)
‘But so that you may know that the Son of Man has authority’ (Mark 2:10)
‘because he is the son of man’ (John 5:27)
In the Hebrew scriptures, the ‘son of man’ is also used many times speaking of people (Job 25:6; Psalm 80:17; 144:3; Ezekiel 2:1; 2:3; 2:6-8; 3:1-3

Jesus also said he was sent only to the lost sheep of israel (matthew 15:24, matthew 10:6)
Jesus said he is not GOD (mark 12:29, mark 10:18 and many more)
jesus is not but a messenger and servant of God
The Bible says that Jesus was God’s servant
‘Behold, My servant, whom I have chosen, in whom My soul is well pleased.’ (Matt 12:18) Since Jesus is God’s servant, Jesus can not be God.

God is not a man’ (Numbers 23:19)
‘For I am God, and not man’ (Hosea 11:9).
God is not a man nor a son of man’ (Numbers 23:19)


If not Show us where Jesus said he is God in the Bible,
Jesus never knew anything like xtianity, prove if its a lie,



TTHE ONLY WAY MAN CAN FIND ETERNAL PEACE AND TRANQUILITY IS WITH ALLAH THE GREATEST AND STOP SPREADING CONFUSION.
PEACE BE UPON JESUS AND ALL OTHER PROPHETS FROM BEGINNING TO THE END.

I BID YOU PEACE.
THANKS
[/b]

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Re: Can I Believe God But Not Jesus And Still Make Heaven? by Nobody: 12:49pm On Jan 29, 2017
anataala:
Brother you are on course Jesus is not God but a massenger of God and I challenge any Christian in the house to prove to me in a single verse in the Bible where Jesus says I am God and also Please worship me.

So my brother God is one he has no partner so you are thinking in the right Direction just believe Jesu s as messenger like his predecessor before and after him from Adam , Moses, Joseph and so on

God bless you

Jesus is the word of God that manifested in Flesh. He came to show us the way to live a life that pleases God, the father. The bible says in John1:1 The Word had existed in the beginning and the word was with God, and that same WORD was God... Jesus is Lord and he came and dwelled with mankind till the point that he humbled himself to death . He came as a man but with the spirit and Word of God. He cannot boast of himself as God, but only through the revelation of the spirit a man can know that He was God in flesh.

Matthew 16: 15-18

15.He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?

[16] And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.

[17] And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Peter: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

[18] And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

Isaiah9vs6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.



Jesus is Lord. Shalom..
Re: Can I Believe God But Not Jesus And Still Make Heaven? by kizking: 12:54pm On Jan 29, 2017
You fool. did not that word in exodus come to u through a man.
Re: Can I Believe God But Not Jesus And Still Make Heaven? by Nobody: 12:55pm On Jan 29, 2017
Aashik:


Your high level of confusion is like a PLAGUE, don't bother to spread that cos no1 ain't buying it from ya.
listien to yourself " in the beginning was 'jchioma', 'jchioma' was with 'Jacksonville', and 'jchioma' was 'Jacksonville".
To what extent will you continue to reason with your Anus, and start reasoning with your Brain. those are two different personality.

Same goes for the contradiction the OP mentioned FIRST BORN and ONLY BEGOTTEN SON. and many other,
Do you even know how many "ONLY SON" claimed by ur God in the bible, uncountable to be precise. so what are u saying?



[b] Truely Jesus (PBUH) was the WORD of GOD ("be and and it is"wink, as Adam was also, but never
a son of God as uttered through the mouth of Jesus(PBUH) himself that he is a son of man.
The Bible often calls Jesus ‘a son of man’ or ‘the son of man.’
‘so will the son of man be’ (Matthew 12:40)
‘For the son of man is going to come’ (Matthew 16:27)
‘until they see the son of man coming in His kingdom.’ (Matthew 28)
‘But so that you may know that the Son of Man has authority’ (Mark 2:10)
‘because he is the son of man’ (John 5:27)
In the Hebrew scriptures, the ‘son of man’ is also used many times speaking of people (Job 25:6; Psalm 80:17; 144:3; Ezekiel 2:1; 2:3; 2:6-8; 3:1-3

Jesus also said he was sent only to the lost sheep of israel (matthew 15:24, matthew 10:6)
Jesus said he is not GOD (mark 12:29, mark 10:18 and many more)
jesus is not but a messenger and servant of God
The Bible says that Jesus was God’s servant
‘Behold, My servant, whom I have chosen, in whom My soul is well pleased.’ (Matt 12:18) Since Jesus is God’s servant, Jesus can not be God.

God is not a man’ (Numbers 23:19)
‘For I am God, and not man’ (Hosea 11:9).
God is not a man nor a son of man’ (Numbers 23:19)


If not Show us where Jesus said he is God in the Bible,
Jesus never knew anything like xtianity, prove if its a lie,



TTHE ONLY WAY MAN CAN FIND ETERNAL PEACE AND TRANQUILITY IS WITH ALLAH THE GREATEST AND STOP SPREADING CONFUSION.
PEACE BE UPON JESUS AND ALL OTHER PROPHETS FROM BEGINNING TO THE END.

I BID YOU PEACE.
THANKS
[/b]



The things of the spirit are not carnal..

Isaiah 9vs6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
Re: Can I Believe God But Not Jesus And Still Make Heaven? by Nobody: 12:56pm On Jan 29, 2017
jchioma:
Dear Brethren, in Exodus 4:22 God Himself said, "And thou shalt say unto Pharaoh, Thus saith the LORD, Israel is my son, even my firstborn". And in John 3:16, a mere man by the name of John said: "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believes in him should not perish, but have everlasting life". Who are we to believe?. I love God and want to serve Him according to His way, and not by the concoctions of men. I want to believe God ONLY, but will I go to hell for not believing in Jesus as I doubt his story? Bible scholars should please me out. Thank you.

NOP

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