Zikkyy2:


Regarding the issue of ownership, you may want to consider Genesis 14:24.......

"²⁴I will accept nothing but what my men have eaten and the share that belongs to the men who went with me—to Aner, Eshkol and Mamre. Let them have their share.”

if we say Abraham had right to the goods, he did not give a tenth to Melchizedek as "sole owner" of the spoils of war. Aner, Eshkol and Mamre had stake in the spoils. So Abraham gave tithe on behalf of himself, Aner, Eshkol and Mamre. Now i was of the view these other guys did not know the Almighty.

You can tithe on your business . I have a multimedia outfit . The company tithes . And when get my pay still I personally give my own tithe apart from the company tithe .

openmine:

bro petra1 dont make me laugh...Google?
What was written in the bible sud be sufficient for Us...whether a scroll was missing is not the important thing...

Civilization began in Egypt , that's how Moses learn to read and write .If there were books by illiterate Abraham , it would have been mentioned or preserved . No body in their line documented anything. Even the stories of genesis were not documented until Moses showed up.

Once again there is no relationship whatsoever with what is discussed and the scripture U put forward...

You said no other minister except levites received from the people . if you didn't see it .the prophet was not a levite yet he received first fruits .

[quoteI think 1 cor 9:13-14 is crystal clear as to where U belong in the illustration....
There were three instances...Those at the temple,those at the altar and those who minister the gospel...
Which of these instances by paul best describes Ur calling?
Do U minister in a temple Or at the Altar....Do U preach the Good news there?[/quote]

Don't try to insult me . I'm a tither . And thats how I wish to be addressed . When you start start talking naughty,I will stop responding to you

The lord has ordained that U or anyone that preaches the gospel must be SUPPORTED!!

Supported by what . By what is giving in offerings and tithes .

1 Corinthians 9:13 (NLT)
13 Don’t you realize that those who work in the temple get their meals from the offerings brought to the temple? And those who serve at the altar get a share of the sacrificial offerings.

Like i asked U before now,where is that existing principle stated in the bible? Do U mean the "mouthed revelation to Abraham" which the writer wasn't able to record because "some books were missing" according to U?

There wasn't a book missing. There was no book. Neither books nor scrolls were invented . They were illiterates .

How is it possible that Abraham and Isaac Burnt offerings were recorded,
The circumcision was recorded too,but the "tithe principle" was not recorded because according to Bro petra1,the scroll or book finish?
Or was the writer then against the tithe principle?

Moses the Egyptian scholar wrote them . The first 5 book Genesis - Deuteronomy were written by Moses . No writing nor books existed before then And I think I deserve a little appreciation for adding to you.

Where then is ur proof that tithe is an eternal principle before the law?

There's no place God put an end to them . There's no fulfillment for them . It's as simple as that.

No dude...don't get it twisted...Abraham was not under any obligation to offer the war spoils or was obeying any principle...

If three generations tithed .from Abraham to Jacob . That's more than enough. for God to raise the issue up in the law . That's additional bonus confirmation. For Jesus to endorsed it . Case closed . For Paul to mention it again . It's more than a principle . It's an eternal principle .

Matthew 23:23 (NLT)
You should tithe, yes, but do not neglect the more important things

Hebrews 7:6 (KJV Strong's)
6 But he whose descent is not counted from them received tithes of Abraham, and blessed him that had the promises.

If U think am wrong prove that tithe is an eternal principle with scriptures please!!
Then i assure U that i will the first to acknowledge the tithe indeed came before the law!

Prove to me the scripture where God says tithe should stop.

For instance,Abraham committed adultery...but there was no law prohibiting him from such act...hence,it wasn't counted as a sin against him

Point of correction pls . Abraham didn't commit adultery. If you want to eat your tithe do . But don't insult papa Abraham.

Romans 5:13 (KJV)
13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
Abraham was not under any obligation whatsoever to offer the war spoils or was obeying any principle.

If U think am wrong prove that tithe is an eternal principle with scriptures please!!
Then i assure U that i will the first to acknowledge that tithe indeed came before the law!

Don't muddle the Bible .

Genesis 4:7 (KJV)
7 If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door.

The sin varied according to Gods revelation in a generation . Inter marriage with siners had been a sin from Abraham days . It's still a principle till date . And it's not nullified by the NEW LAW . It's a principle . If Abraham had done contrary to his knowledge of God . It would be a sin. Same goes for joseph and adultery

Genesis 39:9 (KJV)
9 There is none greater in this house than I; neither hath he kept back any thing from me but thee, because thou art his wife: how then can I do this great wickedness, and sin against God?


If Jacob call adultery a sin. Where did the knowledge come from.

If U think am wrong,prove that tithe is an eternal principle that was practiced before Abraham met Melchizedek!!
Then i assure U that i will the first to acknowledge that tithe indeed came before the law!

Joke of the day. If you will desecrated truth . Insult Abraham character and his tithes . Just to win argument . It's joke . I'm not convincing you. I don't need to try.

Based on the requirements to tithe,such illustration falls short of the tithe required....
The scripture u presented was an parable of a gullible man who tithed from his possession....which according to the law of moses is wrong!
Even Jesus knew that U only tithe from farm produce..

Jesus illustrated faithfulness of an average Jew . The man wasn't wrong . You are the one that didn't understand their tithing

Jesus knew that tithe according to the law was on farm produce and cattle herds.....
He only used the parable to expose the folly and ignorance of a gullible man who wanted to show he was more righteous than the tax collector...!
The law of moses on tithe was clear...from crops and cattle herds...money was used when the distance to the place God has prepared was far way..Deuteronomy 14:22-29

That was second tithe for feast . Not the general tithe .secondly Money was used for tithes and offering for several reason. Especially if the man trades in animals that temple can't use. Same goes for anything temple can't use . Money was general medium of exchange. in unclean animal and perishable things .

Thats Good so in other words,U also recognize that one of the tithes must be eaten by the tither abi?

YES OF COURSE

I asked u a simple question....check the question and come back with a YES or NO response...Thanks!

I asked you if incest is a sin YES or NO. If it is,on what ground .

When are U going to realize that tithe can never free-will...
U don't give what is required....Its paid...Its an obligation....U don't have an option..and its contained in the law!

Incest is contained in the law

Can U freely give Ur school fees?
Please show me in any scripture in the bible where TITHE was FREELY GIVEN without any condition or requirement attached to it!!
And once again..No..giving to a minister or special projects or alms or free-will are based on one's own volition...As U have been led by ur generous heart....
Every believer must imbibe the "gift of giving"...It doesn't matter who or for what purpose but it must be based on a decided heart and a generous spirit 2 Corinthians 9:7

We have right to obey and not to obey. Same for all principles . Give offerings and tithes be blessed , you don't give it ,devourer, Honoura father another, long life. Give to the poor you're blessed . Everything has its blessing and consequences but the choice is still yours .

Deuteronomy 30:19 (KJV)
19 I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:

Romans 8:6-7 (KJV)
6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. 7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

As much as i understand this scripture U quoted,Don't U think a clearer and better illustration should be extracted from the letters to the churches by Paul since they were the early Christians?

So let's stop giving impression as though they gave by compulsion then but now it's optional or now it's with joy. The principles aspire constant

petra1:
You can tithe on your business. I have a multimedia outfit . The company tithes. And when get my pay still I personally give my own tithe apart from the company tithe

Unless there's a desperation for ''likes'' here, please refrain from using your joagbaje alter ego ID to like your own posts
I've just watched joagbaje log in and disappear after liking your comment
Who is fooling who. Imagine liking your post by yourself

Back on the matter, all these you've mentioned need not be done
because, if you've at least accepted and publicly stated that it isnt mandatory to tithe,
it then shows that tithing on business, company tithes, you personally giving your own tithe apart from the company tithe arent afterall necessary

For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death
- Romans 8:2

To carry on tithing or to continue tithing is in flat contradiction to the spiritual law mentioned in Romans 8:2

MuttleyLaff:
Unless there's a desperation for ''likes'' here, please refrain from using your joagbaje alter ego ID to like your own posts
I've just watched joagbaje log in and disappear after liking your comment
Who is fooling who. Imagine liking your post by yourself

Will you stop all these nonsense of yours . I hardly do likes on nairaland. I've not done any likes this year. Kindly investigate before posting trash

petra1:
Will you stop all these nonsense of yours .
I hardly do likes on nairaland. I've not done any likes this year. Kindly investigate before posting trash

At that time, it was only petra1 and muttleylaff who both alone were reading posts on this thread,
petra1 soon left the thread leaving only muttleylaff on the thread,
soon after petra1 left, joagbaje then logged in, (i.e. now with only joagbaje and muttleylaff on the thread)
but after joagbaje logged out and left, leaving muttleylaff again alone on the thread, a ''like'' that wasnt there before at least for a good past three hours appeared on petra1's post
Who then ''liked'' the post?
Jesus is watching. Let's leave that for the consciences
SMH...

MuttleyLaff:
At that time, it was only petra1 and muttleylaff was reading posts on the thread,
petra1 soon left the thread leaving only muttleylaff on the thread,
soon after petra1 left, joagbaje then logged in,
but after joagbaje logged out and left, leaving muttleylaff again alone on the thread, a ''like'' that wasnt there before at least for a good past three hours appeared on petra1's post
Who then liked the post? Let's leave that for the consciences
SMH...

If I need likes . I can get over 50 likes for every post. Truth is not by the number of people cheering you on.

petra1:
If I need likes . I can get over 50 likes for every post. Truth is not by the number of people cheering you on.

If your conscience hasnt been seared, I'll leave it to gnaw on you. SMH
Only you and I were logged in when the like was registered, if I didnt like the post
Who did it, who ''liked'' it then?

MuttleyLaff:
If your conscience hasnt been seared, I'll leave it to gnaw on you. SMH
Only you and I were logged in when the like was registered, if I didnt like the post
Who did it, who ''liked'' it then?

I'm sure the admin can verify that. Pls let it be investigated

Goshen360:


A standing ovation to you!

Thank you sir.

Gombs:


You write and behave like trustman


Pointless and redundant. I can as well say, Hello Trustman

You seem to look for ways to belittle others and divert attention from main issues at hand. Yet you'd be the one to be quick at calling others 'carnal', blame them for slander, wonder if they are sane, even when you do the very same things.

What is pointless here? You know deep inside you there's nothing pointless here. That is why you've been unable to take my points one by one and address them.

Whatever position on tithing that you hold should be completely scripture based and scripture backed.

No scripture supports your 'eternal principles' claim.

You have not been able to show from scripture that the Church taught tithing.

You and your pals have only just concocted a term you hope will con others into accepting that tithing still applies today.

If you claim to belong to the church the question you should ask yourself is: How did the church in the Bible do its giving?

What was clearly revealed in the Bible as to how the church gave?

Can you apply these new testament church principles to your 'eternal principles' claim?

MuttleyLaff:
Unless there's a desperation for ''likes'' here, please refrain from using your joagbaje alter ego ID to like your own posts
I've just watched joagbaje log in and disappear after liking your comment
Who is fooling who. Imagine liking your post by yourself

Back on the matter, all these you've mentioned need not be done
because, if you've at least accepted and publicly stated that it isnt mandatory to tithe,
it then shows that tithing on business, company tithes, you personally giving your own tithe apart from the company tithe arent afterall necessary

For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death
- Romans 8:2

To carry on tithing or to continue tithing is in flat contradiction to the spiritual law mentioned in Romans 8:2

Not every one is like you na. Quit such petty slander on people.

petra1:


If I need likes . I can get over 50 likes for every post. Truth is not by the number of people cheering you on.

Abi o...


More than 50likes sef.... I support your claims of him asking the admin to verify. One can't just lie against someone and still put up a defense.

plainbibletruth:

You seem to look for ways to belittle others and divert attention from main issues at hand. Yet you'd be the one to be quick at calling others 'carnal', blame them for slander, wonder if they are sane, even when you do the very same things.

What is pointless here? You know deep inside you there's nothing pointless here. That is why you've been unable to take my points one by one and address them.

Whatever position on tithing that you hold should be completely scripture based and scripture backed.

No scripture supports your 'eternal principles' claim.

You have not been able to show from scripture that the Church taught tithing.

You and your pals have only just concocted a term you hope will con others into accepting that tithing still applies today.

If you claim to belong to the church the question you should ask yourself is: How did the church in the Bible do its giving?

What was clearly revealed in the Bible as to how the church gave?

Can you apply these new testament church principles to your 'eternal principles' claim?

Yeah.. You're trustman. I see a familiar line.

But, I'm not interested in the moniker but your ideology. Your latter post caught my eye, and I intend to drive somewhere... But first...

Can you tell us why Paul had to quote the Law of Moses to validate giving to ministers in 1 Cor 9:9?

petra1:

Civilization began in Egypt , that's how Moses learn to read and write .If there were books by illiterate Abraham , it would have been mentioned or preserved . No body in their line documented anything. Even the stories of genesis were not documented until Moses showed up.

Really so who wrote about the life and times of adam,noah,abraham,jacob and isaac?
Are U implying that the writer omitted "tithes as an eternal principle" but talked about circumcision and burnt offerings?
Are U claiming that a principle like tithe was so insignificant that NO writer no matter their level of education could put up?
Bro Petra1 U accused me of desecrating the word of God....What U are doing right now is totally fraudulent and misleading!!

You said no other minister except levites received from the people . if you didn't see it .the prophet was not a levite yet he received first fruits .

There were three instances...Those at the temple,those at the altar and those who minister the gospel...
Which of these instances by paul best describes Ur calling?
Do U minister in a temple Or at the Altar....Do U preach the Good news there?
The lord has ordained that U or anyone that preaches the gospel must be SUPPORTED!!

Don't try to insult me . I'm a tither . And thats how I wish to be addressed . When you start start talking naughty,I will stop responding to you

First off,am trying to find the part where i insulted U...Unless U have run out of words...
Please show me where insults were hurled at U by me...
U had insulted me in ur previous posts and i took it without firing any shots at U....do i perceive a withdrawal tact?

Supported by what . By what is giving in offerings and tithes .

1 Corinthians 9:13 (NLT)
13 Don’t you realize that those who work in the temple get their meals from the offerings brought to the temple? And those who serve at the altar get a share of the sacrificial offerings.

Bro why did U stop at 1cor 9:13....continue nah
Or are U afraid of 1 cor 9:14
Bro U don't work in a temple...U dont also partake in what comes out from the altar
U can not obtain shares or things from platforms that have been rendered non-existent by the priesthood of christ!
U are neither a levite nor a priest based on aaron/moses lineage...They are the ones according to the bible that have the previlage of partaking in what occurs at the altar or temple!
1 Corinthians 9:14 is for any one who preaches the gospel...!

There wasn't a book missing. There was no book. Neither books nor scrolls were invented . They were illiterates .

Moses the Egyptian scholar wrote them . The first 5 book Genesis - Deuteronomy were written by Moses . No writing nor books existed before then And I think I deserve a little appreciation for adding to you.

See lets cut to the chase....there was no mouthed revelation to Abraham to tithe!
If U can locate the scriptures,fine,present it to everyone here...If u can't,then find something else to prove Ur tithe beliefs!
Whether they were illiterates or not doesn't take away the fact that an account of their lives and times were documented!
Any other documentation either from U or any other person is irrelevant and a plot to make imaginary statements which for me is highly suspicious!

There's no place God put an end to them . There's no fulfillment for them . It's as simple as that.

This is my question...Where then is ur scripture proof,before Abraham met Melchizedek,that tithe is an eternal principle before the law?
Ur response will make me agree with U that God did not put an end to them!
Its that simple!

If three generations tithed .from Abraham to Jacob . That's more than enough. for God to raise the issue up in the law . That's additional bonus confirmation. For Jesus to endorsed it . Case closed . For Paul to mention it again . It's more than a principle . It's an eternal principle .

Three generations?
Where did isaac tithe? another lie from U!
Where did jacob tithe? another huge lie from U!
Even the bible was clear about Jacob...He vowed...If indeed tithe was a laid down law or principle like U said,Jacob would have no option but to TITHE rather than making a VOW!
A laid down law or principle is non-negotiable...its an obligation...!

Matthew 23:23 (NLT)
You should tithe, yes, but do not neglect the more important things

Christ made this statement BEFORE the fulfillment of the law not AFTER...
Did U expect christ to condemn circumcision or burnt offering when he was under the law?
Guy U no try Oh...All because of tithe

Hebrews 7:6 (KJV Strong's)
6 But he whose descent is not counted from them received tithes of Abraham, and blessed him that had the promises.

Abraham was not under any obligation to offer the war spoils or was obeying any principle...!
Its up to U to prove that tithe was an "eternal principle" and that Abraham was actually obeying a laid down principle!

Prove to me the scripture where God says tithe should stop.

And U accuse me of being evasive! Question for question abi?
When U accurately supply me with where tithe is an eternal principle before the law,i will pleasantly and effortlessly show U where God stopped Tithe in that same bible that U are using!

Point of correction pls . Abraham didn't commit adultery. But don't insult papa Abraham.

Blood of jesus Which bible are U using? Genesis 16:4;Galatians 4:21-23
Who did Abraham sleep with that gave birth to Ishmael?
Was it not Hagar? Even If sarai was the one who told Abraham to sleep hagar...It doesn't take away the fact that he committed adultery!
Abraham was a man after the heart of God but he was not flawless...he lied,he committed adultery,he even allowed sarai convince him to throw out hagar when hagar was pregnant!
But like i said using scripture,because a law wasn't stopping Abraham from doing such,it was never counted as a sin against him...Simple!

If you want to eat your tithe do .

If U dont eat Ur tithe,according to the law of moses,then dont claim the blessings in malachi 3:10-12..
U r a tither but U don't obey the instructions to tithe

Don't muddle the Bible .

Genesis 4:7 (KJV)
7 If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door.

The sin varied according to Gods revelation in a generation . Inter marriage with siners had been a sin from Abraham days . It's still a principle till date . And it's not nullified by the NEW LAW . It's a principle . If Abraham had done contrary to his knowledge of God . It would be a sin. Same goes for joseph and adultery

Genesis 39:9 (KJV)
9 There is none greater in this house than I; neither hath he kept back any thing from me but thee, because thou art his wife: how then can I do this great wickedness, and sin against God?


If Jacob call adultery a sin. Where did the knowledge come from.

Did Abraham commit Adultery or not?
Was it counted against him as a sin?
when he lied,was it also counted against him as a sin?

Joke of the day. If you will desecrated truth . Insult Abraham character and his tithes . Just to win argument . It's joke . I'm not convincing you. I don't need to try.

I didn't insult Abraham....I gave U a simple challenge and by the look of things,i don't think U are up for it!
In other words,U cant find it...Ur defense is a concocted revelation that was mouthed to Abraham which U are having a hard time trying to prove!
let me remind U again about my challenge...

If U think am wrong,prove that tithe is an eternal principle that was practiced before Abraham met Melchizedek!!
Then i assure U that i will the first to acknowledge that tithe indeed came before the law!

No need resorting to gimmicks or rhetoric...!

Jesus illustrated faithfulness of an average Jew . The man wasn't wrong . You are the one that didn't understand their tithing

A faithful Jew? Jesus wept! U call a hypocrite pharisee a faithful Jew all because of tithe?
Dont U know who the pharisees were? Jews who show off and U now want to compare Urself with that pharisee to justify tithe?
Chai...
Jesus made an illustration to make a lesson about the pharisee who tried to "exalt himself" by his deeds hence he compared himself with the tax collector...Cant U see that the pharisee was only trying to play to the gallery by claiming he tithed from what he got which according to the law of Moses was faulty?
....according to the law based tithe,U cant tithe of what U possess
U only tithe of food crops which Jesus stated in Matthew 23:23
Didn't Ur pastor Chris once describe a pharisee as "FAR TO SEE"?

That was second tithe for feast . Not the general tithe .secondly Money was used for tithes and offering for several reason. Especially if the man trades in animals that temple can't use. Same goes for anything temple can't use . Money was general medium of exchange. in unclean animal and perishable things .

What was the first produce that was needed initially before being converted to money?
wasn't it on farm produce and cattle herds?
And no money wasn't the general medium of exchange when it comes to tithing..
It was only an option when the place to convey the tithes were far!
Even Deuteronomy 14 made reference to that!
Ur Malachi even made reference to such when it asked for ALL the tithes in the storehouse to be brought so that there might be FOOD in the house ! Malachi 3:10
I no see money for that verse ohh

YES OF COURSE

Thank God!
Do U eat U tithe and do U instruct people to eat their tithe?
Do U also instruct that tithes be paid every year not every month?

I asked you if incest is a sin YES or NO. If it is,on what ground .

I had answered that question...Everyone knows its a sin whether U use the law or not!
Now can U answer my simple question and stop being evasive?
What has that simple question got to do with incest?

Incest is contained in the law

I repeat in-case U don't want to read it...
Tithe isn't free-will..whether U believe it or not!
U don't give what is required....Its paid...Its an obligation....U don't have an option..and its contained in the law!


[s]

We have right to obey and not to obey. Same for all principles . Give offerings and tithes be blessed , you don't give it ,devourer, Honoura father another, long life. Give to the poor you're blessed . Everything has its blessing and consequences but the choice is still yours .

Deuteronomy 30:19 (KJV)
19 I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:

Romans 8:6-7 (KJV)
6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. 7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

[/s]
And he accuses me of being dishonest!
The law is the law...U can't choose the one U should obey and the one U sud discard! James 2:10

Let me repost the question i asked...cos maybe U didn't see it WELL

Please show me in ANY scripture in the bible where TITHE was FREELY GIVEN without any condition or requirement attached to it??
And once again..No..giving to a minister or special projects or alms or free-will are based on one's own volition...As U have been led by ur generous heart....
Every believer must imbibe the "gift of giving"...It doesn't matter who or for what purpose but it must be based on a decided heart and a generous spirit 2 Corinthians 9:7

So let's stop giving impression as though they gave by compulsion then but now it's optional or now it's with joy. The principles aspire constant

Compulsion is compulsion...as long as U keep using Malachi 3:10-12 to teach about tithe,It can never be seen as free will...
And No...A law is not an option...U are either in or out...U are either obeying the law or Moses Or not...No Neutrality!
Please nah am on my knees begging...let me see this strange "tithe principle" in the bible nah...
I had to Turn my bible "up side down" just to find a scripture that makes "tithe an eternal principle"...Yet i cant find it!
Please Show me...or maybe U can create a new thread so that we can get ideas from others since U cant find it! Thanks!

openmine:

Really so who wrote about the life and times of adam,noah,abraham,jacob and isaac?

I've told you already . If you have another author in mind kindly tell us with proof.

There were three instances...Those at the temple,those at the altar and those who minister the gospel...
Which of these instances by paul best describes Ur calling?
Do U minister in a temple Or at the Altar....Do U preach the Good news there?
The lord has ordained that U or anyone that preaches the gospel must be SUPPORTED!!

First off,am trying to find the part where i insulted U...Unless U have run out of words...
Please show me where insults were hurled at U by me...
U had insulted me in ur previous posts and i took it without firing any shots at U....do i perceive a withdrawal tact?

Stop getting personal with me . Or I will stop responding to you. I'm a tither and not a tithe collector as you're implying.so I consider that an insult.

Bro why did U stop at 1cor 9:13....continue nah
Or are U afraid of 1 cor 9:14
Bro U don't work in a temple...U dont also partake in what comes out from the altar
U can not obtain shares or things from platforms that have been rendered non-existent by the priesthood of christ!
U are neither a levite nor a priest based on aaron/moses lineage...They are the ones according to the bible that have the previlage of partaking in what occurs at the altar or temple!
1 Corinthians 9:14 is for any one who preaches the gospel...!

Stop getting personal . If you're out of ideas on what to post just quit. You mustn't post . Okay?

Zikkyy2:


Galatians 5:19-21
19 The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; 20 idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions 21 and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.

1 Corinthians 5: 1
"It is actually reported that there is sexual immorality among you, and of a kind that even pagans do not tolerate: A man is sleeping with his father’s wife."
Even pagans knew!

That's. Fornication .It's not the same . We have close relatives who are legally married . Father married daughter . Etc . Even though married but it's still incest

petra1:


I've told you already . If you have another author in mind kindly tell us with proof.

Its up to U to tell me....U said Abraham received a revelation...not me....U said some parts in genesis weren't recorded or accounted for.
.not me...so U are d one am waiting for!

Stop getting personal with me . Or I will stop responding to you. I'm a tither and not a tithe collector as you're implying.so I consider that an insult.

Can U quote where I called u a tithe collector...

Stop getting personal . If you're out of ideas on what to post just quit. You mustn't post . Okay?

Bro if U can't show where I insulted U then that's ur problem...
See who is saying I have run out of ideas...who is the one trying to run away from discussion! Am always ready 2 engage U whether U like it or not!
U used dis tact wen I engaged ur oda moniker and U r now doing the same...U really haven't changed!
Always claiming to be the victim...wen it was obvious that U were d one hurling insults and mocking me!
Well am not so surprised,U actually ran out of ideas wen U claimed Abraham received a mouthed revelation 2 tithe...U even went further by insisting that the writer didn't cover the life and times of Abraham and his family!
If such statement of urs isn't preposterous and deceitful den I don't know wat else to call it....
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The thread is still open....whenever U receive another concocted revelation to ur tithe principle,I will be waiting for U!

Petra1, what do you have to say about Melchizedek? Gombs and one fella here already explained.

I think I agree more with Gombs with Melchizedek because I don't think he died nor was he mortal, but Malachi 3, I kinda think it's prophetic, do you?

LambanoPeace:
Petra1, what do you have to say about Melchizedek? Gombs and one fella here already explained

I've not really read their posts but it depends on what you want me to comment on. The mystery of Melchizedek is so wide that the Bible didn't contain all

I think I agree more with Gombs with Melchizedek because I don't think he died nor was he mortal, but Malachi 3, I kinda think it's prophetic, do you?

There are two schools of thoughts about him . One says he didn't die ,the other says he must have died but there's no record of him.

petra1:


I've not really read their posts but it depends on what you want me to comment on. The mystery of Melchizedek is so wide that the Bible didn't contain all



There are two schools of thoughts about him . One says he didn't die ,the other says he must have died but there's no record of him.

But if he died, then the priesthood would have a successor in Jesus, and the Bible said he has no successors. Don't you think so?

Concerning Malachi 3 from 1 to about 8.... Do you think it's prophetic, for a generation to come... Read it and see.

Gombs:


Yeah.. You're trustman. I see a familiar line.

But, I'm not interested in the moniker but your ideology. Your latter post caught my eye, and I intend to drive somewhere... But first...

Can you tell us why Paul had to quote the Law of Moses to validate giving to ministers in 1 Cor 9:9?

IF you first CLEARLY and HONESTLY answer my questions then I assure you that yours is a 'piece of cake' to handle.

Are you game?

BTW, what did trustman do that you have this fixation on him?

plainbibletruth:

IF you first [b]CLEARLY and HONESTLY answer my questions then I assure you that yours is a 'piece of cake' to handle.

Are you game?

BTW, what did trustman do that you have this fixation on him?

Ah, never mind.

I can understand why.

LambanoPeace:


But if he died, then the priesthood would have a successor in Jesus, and the Bible said he has no successors. Don't you think so?

Concerning Malachi 3 from 1 to about 8.... Do you think it's prophetic, for a generation to come... Read it and see.

I think so too

petra1:


You can tithe on your business . I have a multimedia outfit . The company tithes . And when get my pay still I personally give my own tithe apart from the company tithe .

That's not the point.

If we say Abraham tithed his possession, we should remember that he was not sole owner of the spoils of war. He was joint owner with Aner, Eshkol and Mamre (pagans). Meaning Pagans also tithed to Melchizedek. An indication that the tithe to Melchizedek had more to do with custom than revelation.

openmine:

Where did isaac tithe? another lie from U!
Where did jacob tithe? another huge lie from U!
Even the bible was clear about Jacob...He vowed...If indeed tithe was a laid down law or principle like U said,Jacob would have no option but to TITHE rather than making a VOW!

I think Petra1 should also provide the name of the priest that received Isaac's and Jacob tithe.

Some of the posters defending tithing here are pastors. But I observed they always happy to disown Malachi 3:10. Instead they run to Abraham's giving a tenth of spoils of war to Melchizedek as justification for their tithing practice. Is it because the reference to Malachi is fraudulent and cannot be defended? This is something other tithers following this thread should consider. Because nobody tithe because Abraham gave a tenth to Melchizedek, they tithe because of what's written in Malachi 3:10! And pastors don't preach Genesis 14 in church. The fact is that tithing as practice in churches today is based on sermon designed to milk the congregation of their hard earned cash.

LambanoPeace:


But if he died, then the priesthood would have a successor in Jesus, and the Bible said he has no successors. Don't you think so?

He is not dead in the mind of the Jew's because it's not recorded anywhere that he died. If he is alive, have you considered the implication? It means two high priests are currently in office (at the same time). Christ and Melchizedek. Is that possible?

Zikkyy2:


I think Petra1 should also provide the name of the priest that received Isaac's and Jacob tithe.

Excellent Point...Though its highly doubtful that i will get a straight and honest response from him!

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Please to those who pay tithes, I want to know the scripture you base your tithing on.

Thanks for your teaching for today's message?
But I already understood the message about the old ladies story, it isn't about money, its about our faith-and how much faith are we giving to God-she gave all she had-and the rich gave as they walked past the treasury, Jesus pointed this out-are we to follow the lady's league, or do we give less of our time to seek after God's treasury, which is the word of God.
And if you understood my tithing comment in the first place, "all" does not mean tithe. And of course I was only having a crack at the tithers, and if you had read my comment from top to bottom you would have seen that. But of course you didn't.
So thank you teacher and may God bless you with His abundance in word and in truth.

MuttleyLaff:
If it wasn't actually about a tithe,
why then did you bother use the t-word
I wasnt preaching to you, I was for the benefit of all reading, just ''weeding out'' you using tithe for the donation the poor widow made

Beware of tithe marketeers the Scribes
³⁸And he said unto them in his doctrine, Beware of the scribes, which love to go in long clothing, and love salutations in the marketplaces,
³⁹And the chief seats in the synagogues, and the uppermost rooms at feasts:
⁴⁰Which devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayers: these shall receive greater damnation.

The Poor Widow
⁴¹And Jesus sat over against the treasury, and beheld how the people cast money into the treasury: and many that were rich cast in much.
⁴²And there came a certain poor widow, and she threw in two mites, which make a farthing.
⁴³And he called unto him his disciples, and saith unto them, Verily I say unto you, That this poor widow hath cast more in, than all they which have cast into the treasury:
⁴⁴For all they did cast in of their abundance; but she of her want did cast in all that she had, even all her living
- Mark 12:38-44 KJV

If you REALLY did understand was the widow narration clearly, you would have known that the widow narration actually started from Mark 12:38-40 with Mark 12:40 being the heart of the narration before continuing on to Mark 12:41-44

Now the question, you want to ask yourself, is this:
#1 Where from, do you suppose the widow learned to drop ALL her money into the treasury box?
#2 Who would you suspect has been teaching the widow to drop ALL her money into the treasury box?
#3 Do you see a pattern how it is done then and how it's done now?


You want to show big momma how to suck eggs

Jesus was not teaching about dropping ALL into a collection box
but was making an observational statement where he expressed an opinion or belief to the effect that quality and not quantity mattered
According to Jesus, the widow's mite might be too small in quantity, it however, is big in quality

Where in regards to the widow's donation have I used ''small'' ?
brocab, you need to understand you are copying the tithe-marketeers' tithing special modus operandi
Tithe-marketeers build a doctrine on tithing by quoting scriptures out of context,
and you too, now are trying to build a doctrine on ''all'' based on the widow narrative
so then, have you started handing in ''all' your money yet
if not yet, when are you going to start handing in your ''all''?

Donation noun: donation; plural noun: donations
- something that is given to a charity, a cause etcetera, especially a sum of money
Need I write more

Exactly God loves a cheerful giver, the old lady decided in her heart how much she will drop into the treasury box, and so cheerfully and without any regrets donated her widow's mite

Please the

And Jehoash said to the priests,
All the money of the dedicated things that is brought into the house of the LORD,
even the money of every one that passeth the account, the money that every man is set at,
and all the money that cometh into any man's heart to bring into the house of the LORD
- 2 Kings 12:4 KJV

2 Corinthians 9:7 is a rehash of 2 Kings 12:4
As a matter of truth, 2 Corinthians 9:7 is a 2 Kings 12:4 rebirth

At the moment, he has no choice
as you seriously arent expecting him to go against the CE flow on tithing

For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death
- Romans 8:2

If so, then that will be like a case of someone airborne in a plane believing he/she is under the law of gravity
and not realising the law of aerodynamics hath made him/her free from the law of gravity

and what is the meaning of this your cryptic or coded sentence which you and only you understands

Zikkyy2:


I think Petra1 should also provide the name of the priest that received Isaac's and Jacob tithe.

It's a no brainer na... If it is said Levi paid tithes to Melchizedek via Abraham... Why ask about Isaac and Jacob?