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SlimBrawnie:
If he had kept quiet, its still same you that would say he's guilty that's why he can't talk.

That is defamation of his character and his person.
If it was a land matter, I'm sure you would have said he should leave it cos that's what Christ will do.

We are all humans abeg and we've all got our differences and that makes us who we are.

The best of men is still a man with flesh and blood.

Defamation of character is a civil case not a criminal case and such doesn't warrant arrest and detainment, if buharu did this to a journalist, u will be d first to shout dictator...wen sulaiman was to be arrested u protested, wen some journalist were to be arrested u protested and called it persecution...but wen a pastor arrests someone for a similar issue and uses his influence to detain her for something which she has not even been found guilty of,even put her in prison clothes....everything is fair game ....u r a very big hypocrite

This message make send spine down my chin. Though am not a christians but even at that, we should learn from people of the past. Don't pay evil with evil, so that we might be save.
The mumu pastor will not know now that he is automatically ruin his own life. He think that he has the judgement now, it only God Almighty who have supreme control over all of us. Even at that can the pastor completly come out and said he is saint, i don't think so.

alBHAGDADI:
Luke 9:51-56

51 When the days were approaching for His ascension, He was determined to go to Jerusalem;
52 and He sent messengers on ahead of Him, and they went and entered a village of the Samaritans to make arrangements for Him.
53 But they did not receive Him, because He was traveling toward Jerusalem.
54 When His disciples James and John saw this, they said, “Lord, do You want us to command fire to come down from heaven and consume them?”
55 But He turned and rebuked them, [and said, “You do not know what kind of spirit you are of;
56 for the Son of Man did not come to destroy men’s lives, but to save them.” And they went on to another village.


Did you read the above passage? Do you know why Christ rebuked his disciples when they wanted to command fire from heaven to consume the Samaritans?

Christ said that we Christians are of a different spirit. What do you think he would look like today if he had commanded fire to burn down the same people he came to save?

Since the Kemi Olunloyo and Pastor Ibiyeomie saga became a police affair, I've read several comments from supposed Christians urging the pastor on. When it is made clear to them that a preacher is not to react in the manner Pastor Ibiyeomie did, in that he ought to overlook the matter by forgiving her without taking action, like Christ would, , they shift the goal post to saying that Kemi Olunloyo didn't ask for forgiveness.

Did the people that were killing Jesus ask for forgiveness before he said "Father forgive them for they know not what they do"? Now, tell me, a crime of killing you versus a crime of defaming you, which is more easy to forgive without taking action?

Pastor Ibiyeomie calls himself a Christian i.e like Christ, yet he isn't acting like one. He has enjoyed all the good side of being a Christian. But now that it is time to suffer for Christ, he can't even face the suffer of defamation. What if he had existed in the days of the early apostles when Christians where arrested and fed to lions in gladiator arenas? Those disciple's still prayed for their persecutors.

I don't know whether Kemi Olunloyo deserves whatever she's going through cos we don't know whether she has proof of her claims. One thing i do know is that her punishment shouldn't come from a man who is supposed to preach to her. Having her locked up doesn't prove he's innocent of the allegation.

Some would argue that his silence would have made many people to leave his church. The silence that Jesus and his disciples maintained when they were persecuted is one of the reasons why Christianity is major today. If they had attacked their attackers, Christianity would have been tagged a terrorist religion.

Let's remember how Peter reacted when he cut off the ear of one of those that came to arrest Jesus. Most importantly, let's remember how the man they came to arrest reacted to the situation. He rebuked Peter and went ahead to heal the ear. But Christianity of today is "attack me, I attack you", thanks to the years of prosperity preaching which has turned man away from God and made them love self than others.

You can continue to argue in favour of the pastor, but the Bible will always condemn his actions. God has given you an hint to free you from the shackles of those that have been misleading you. Instead of following it, Christians of today have chosen to stand with the same evil men. Below is what Christ will say..

But He turned and rebuked them, [and said, “You do not know what kind of spirit you are of; Luke 9:55


Do you know why many Christians will accept the mark of the Antichrist? It is because they choose man over God and His Word. It's not too late for you today.

Exodus 22:32
then Moses stood in the gate of the camp and said, “Who is on the LORD’s side? Come to me.”

olrotimi:
This is my problem with indomie xtians who don't know how to put two scriptures together.
Being a Christian is not an initiation to be a mor0n or a dunce.
See ehn, one scripture I love so much is : "God has given us authority to trample on snakes and scorpions, and to overcome all the powers of the enemy "
If Kemi wants to be a snake, smash her head otherwise she would ruin your ministry. It's not everything you would tackle with prayer and fasting, it's not all situations you would be spiritual about

if he sure you
come to my place
and handle a cobra

graphiti:
Nna meeen , u just contradicting y'self left, right and centre! For a civil case, is d Gestapo~styled arrest abduction/lock- up d first thing to do? And over a CIVIL matter? Has her case been heard b4 a judge b4 her forceful incarceration? Over a civil matter at that?
Has she been convicted of d 'crime'?

.

See why I said u are contradicting y'self?

1. So was d offense committed in pH?

2. Was forceful "arrest" over a civil matter d first action to take when seeking redress in court, bearing in mind dt d matter was civil, not criminal?





Nna meeen ........SMH

If I may ask, where is the publication based? The "forceful" arrest issue will be determined during trial.

linearity:
Caution
To say something as a warning.

John 13:21-26"...Verily verily I say unto you, that one of you shall betray me...He it is, to whom I shall give a sop, when I have dipped it, and when he dipped the sip, he gave it to Judas."

Mark 14:21 "...The Son of Man will go just as it is written about him...but woe to that man who betrays the Son of Man. It would be better for him if he had not been born"

Luk 22:48 "...Jesus said unto him, Judas, betrayed thou, the Son of Man with a kiss?"

There are many scriptures, I can put up to show, Judas was cautioned, warned before, during and after his betrayer of Jesus.

...and BTW Many prophesies have cautions in them, it is false and you know it to state that, because something is a prophesy, therefore it is not a cautions. Prophesies is one of the major ways God caution his people.

Oh noo i feel ur pain Jesus never really wanted Judas and he didn't tell judas point and blank to repent abi.
Why was it dat d devil entered Judas immediately he collected d sop? Are u trying to tell me dat Jesus couldnt stop judas if he wanted to. What are u insinuating,? Judas had already betrayed him before he asked dat question.
Stop being too religious here. Someone had to do d dirty job and Judas due to his greed made way for d devil to use him just as d devil is using kemi and otobo

I weep for my country! For a man of God to pursue his legal right is now sinful? Kemi, wrote a libelous epistle that a lot of people took hook line and sinker. A tale bearer parading herself as an investigative journalist and we the readers refused to decern what is right or wrong. I refused to be cowed to join in this pity party of forgiving a cyber bully. I stand with David Ibeyeomiye - because a lot of rubbish Kemi writes and get away with ,seems to make it look right. I am sure if she is sued regularly for writing false stories she would have learnt her lessons. Nigeria isn't a lawless country.

linearity:
Not true, you don't have to tell someone not to do something before it can be called caution.

The definition I have above is directly from the dictionary, do you care to cite an authoritative source as you to your rendering or usage of the word 'caution'?

Caution is simply a warning, nothing more, not less. We see caution or warning signs on the road, each day we drive.

Bible prophesies are full of cautions. Judas was cautioned, he knew what he was about to do is wrong and Jesus cautioned aka warned him as you can see in the above verses, stop adding person nonuniversal meanings to the word 'caution' just to justify your other views.

understand that Judas needed to betray for prophecies to be fulfilled. So whether he was cautioned or not, it would still happen. The question remains why was he an the spirit in him condemned i.e Woe unto him. How are are sure Kemi's arrest is not to fulfil prophecy. You are not better than the pastor. You are not God. Let the law take its course. Stop being being hypocrite. If Kemi talked ill about your father and perhaps stop you from opportunities to become a famous person, will you rant forgiveness without kemi first admitting she is wrong? Answer

JideAmuGiaka:
Unfortunately, your Suleiman and Ibiyeome don't preach salvation massages but motivational.

Unfortunately ur moniker renders ur opinion useless.
And moreover how many souls have u won?
How many times have u heard either of dem preach and not wat u allow unbelievers tell u about dem.

olrotimi:
This is my problem with indomie xtians who don't know how to put two scriptures together.
Being a Christian is not an initiation to be a mor0n or a dunce.
See ehn, one scripture I love so much is : "God has given us authority to trample on snakes and scorpions, and to overcome all the powers of the enemy "
If Kemi wants to be a snake, smash her head otherwise she would ruin your ministry. It's not everything you would tackle with prayer and fasting, it's not all situations you would be spiritual about

pls recite the Lord's prayer in ur heart.

Many do not even know how the news kemi publishes are seen on the global/international Christian community. Ibiyome's ministry is a global one. He has members all over the world. They have reputation to protect and sure they are very cautious about the steps they take. People should stop this rant about forgiveness and talk more about fake news publishers being allowed to face the law.

JusticeSeeker:
why do you choose to delude yourself over unambiguous Bible expressions? even as the thread OP has carefully outlined the Bible's stand over matters as this you're still bringing up irrelevant quotations. Let me tell you until this your pastor publicly apologises to this Kemi , God won't take lightly what he's done. it has blackmailed Christianity openly.

For the fact that one goes to church does not make such person a christian. Your understanding of God's word and the revelation that the spirit of God brings to you goes a long way of your understanding the office of the pastor.
God sets the rules here and not you. Your acceptance or non acceptance of what he has said in his word does not in any way make the word of God of no effect.
The gifts and calling of God are without repentance. No matter what you said the Man of God has done, he is only answerable to the person that has ordained him, in this case God.

What happened to forgiveness?

Don't just rush to post opinions in the media like you just did. If not, you might find out that what you think is right, is as far from right as the left.
Kemi committed a criminal offence. It would even be wrong for the pastor to cover that.
Secondly you forgive those that ask for forgiveness after realising their errors.
Pastor is not punishing anyone or calling fire from heaven to consume them. The law is punishing kemi
Pastor has a duty mind my word here, duty to report to the law. Why? Because he has a ministry with thousands. If he leaves things, the same public will say why didn't he go to court. The onus is on kemi to prove

That you're a Christian doesn't mean you shouldn't defend yourself, what he did was the right thing to do to serve as a deterrent to others that would want to do otherwise in the future

Seun360:
These are one of the reasons why Christians are mocked. The Pastor is an hupocrite.

What is hypocrisy in this issue now Oga?? That your brother accused you of robbery and you called your family to come and ask him whether he saw you robbing and it becomes hypocrisy? ? Oga judge if na you abeg

alBHAGDADI:
Luke 9:51-56

51 When the days were approaching for His ascension, He was determined to go to Jerusalem;
52 and He sent messengers on ahead of Him, and they went and entered a village of the Samaritans to make arrangements for Him.
53 But they did not receive Him, because He was traveling toward Jerusalem.
54 When His disciples James and John saw this, they said, “Lord, do You want us to command fire to come down from heaven and consume them?”
55 But He turned and rebuked them, [and said, “You do not know what kind of spirit you are of;
56 for the Son of Man did not come to destroy men’s lives, but to save them.” And they went on to another village.


Did you read the above passage? Do you know why Christ rebuked his disciples when they wanted to command fire from heaven to consume the Samaritans?

Christ said that we Christians are of a different spirit. What do you think he would look like today if he had commanded fire to burn down the same people he came to save?

Since the Kemi Olunloyo and Pastor Ibiyeomie saga became a police affair, I've read several comments from supposed Christians urging the pastor on. When it is made clear to them that a preacher is not to react in the manner Pastor Ibiyeomie did, in that he ought to overlook the matter by forgiving her without taking action, like Christ would, , they shift the goal post to saying that Kemi Olunloyo didn't ask for forgiveness.

Did the people that were killing Jesus ask for forgiveness before he said "Father forgive them for they know not what they do"? Now, tell me, a crime of killing you versus a crime of defaming you, which is more easy to forgive without taking action?

Pastor Ibiyeomie calls himself a Christian i.e like Christ, yet he isn't acting like one. He has enjoyed all the good side of being a Christian. But now that it is time to suffer for Christ, he can't even face the suffer of defamation. What if he had existed in the days of the early apostles when Christians where arrested and fed to lions in gladiator arenas? Those disciple's still prayed for their persecutors.

I don't know whether Kemi Olunloyo deserves whatever she's going through cos we don't know whether she has proof of her claims. One thing i do know is that her punishment shouldn't come from a man who is supposed to preach to her. Having her locked up doesn't prove he's innocent of the allegation.

Some would argue that his silence would have made many people to leave his church. The silence that Jesus and his disciples maintained when they were persecuted is one of the reasons why Christianity is major today. If they had attacked their attackers, Christianity would have been tagged a terrorist religion.

Let's remember how Peter reacted when he cut off the ear of one of those that came to arrest Jesus. Most importantly, let's remember how the man they came to arrest reacted to the situation. He rebuked Peter and went ahead to heal the ear. But Christianity of today is "attack me, I attack you", thanks to the years of prosperity preaching which has turned man away from God and made them love self than others.

You can continue to argue in favour of the pastor, but the Bible will always condemn his actions. God has given you an hint to free you from the shackles of those that have been misleading you. Instead of following it, Christians of today have chosen to stand with the same evil men. Below is what Christ will say..

But He turned and rebuked them, [and said, “You do not know what kind of spirit you are of; Luke 9:55


Do you know why many Christians will accept the mark of the Antichrist? It is because they choose man over God and His Word. It's not too late for you today.

Exodus 22:32
then Moses stood in the gate of the camp and said, “Who is on the LORD’s side? Come to me.”

Mr Ignorant man, abeg clear from road Jare if you don't have anything sensible to say here! Tell me why Pastor Ibiyeomie shouldn't report such defamation to the police and take appropriate legal action when the activities of Kemi if unchecked would lead to obstruction of his fulfilment of his God-given assignment. God gave the pastor an assignment to win souls by preaching the Gospel of Christ, and a fool called Kemi decided to tell people to not listen to the Gospel of Christ through the pastor's preaching because the pastor is evil. Kemi's action is intended to stop pastor Ibiyeomie from preaching after people have believed her lies and no longer wish to hear the Gospel because they now erroneously think the pastor is fake and so whatever is coming from him must be not worth hearing. Apostle Paul encountered a similar situation when he went to preach to a certain Governor and the Governor's adviser known by the name 'Elymas' a.k.a. 'Bar-Jesus' decided to confuse the Governor by telling him not to believe the Apostle Paul or what he is saying. Apostle Paul handled him by rebuking him directly and commanding blindness upon him. That was what made the Governor believe finally. why didn't Paul just keep silent when Elymas was slandering him before the Governor? It is foolish christians like you that don't understand that Jesus is described as "The Lion and The Lamb", because you think he is always "The lamb" in all situations.

You are not more Holy than Apostle Paul who rebuked a man trying to slander him and the Gospel before the Governor and commanded blindness upon the man, so shut up and stop spewing thrash in trying to castigate the pastor for reporting Kemi to the police. You are a hypocrite for castigating a man for defending himself from a blackmailer!

Jolar101:
What happened to forgiveness?

Do you forgive person wey no beg you?? Even God forgives sinners that ask for it.

Edelweiss44:
Mr Ignorant man, abeg clear from road Jare if you don't have anything sensible to say here! Tell me why Pastor Ibiyeomie shouldn't report such defamation to the police and take appropriate legal action when the activities of Kemi if unchecked would lead to obstruction of his fulfilment of his God-given assignment. God gave the pastor an assignment to win souls by preaching the Gospel of Christ, and a fool called Kemi decided to tell people to not listen to the Gospel of Christ through the pastor's preaching because the pastor is evil. Kemi's action is intended to stop pastor Ibiyeomie from preaching after people have believed her lies and no longer wish to hear the Gospel because they now erroneously think the pastor is fake and so whatever is coming from him must be not worth hearing. Apostle Paul encountered encountered a similar situation when he went to preach to a certain Governor and the Governor's adviser known by the name 'Elymas' a.k.a. 'Bar-Jesus' decided to confuse the Governor by telling him not to believe the Apostle Paul or what he is saying. Apostle Paul handled him by rebuking him directly and commanding blindness upon him. That was what made the Governor believe finally. why didn't Paul just keep silent when Elymas was slandering him before the Governor? It is foolish christians like you that don't understand that Jesus is described as "The Lion and The Lamb", because you think he is always "The lamb" in all situations.

You are not more Holy than Apostle Paul who rebuked a man trying to slander him and the Gospel before the Governor and commanded blindness upon the man, so shut up and stop spewing thrash in trying to castigate the pastor for reporting Kemi to the police. You are a hypocrite for castigating a man for defending himself from a blackmailer!

God bless you bro

zionmade:
Oh noo i feel ur pain Jesus never really wanted Judas and he didn't tell judas point and blank to repent abi.
Why was it dat d devil entered Judas immediately he collected d sop? Are u trying to tell me dat Jesus couldnt stop judas if he wanted to. What are u insinuating,? Judas had already betrayed him before he asked dat question.
Stop being too religious here. Someone had to do d dirty job and Judas due to his greed made way for d devil to use him just as d devil is using kemi and otobo

Dude am on the same page with you, Judas had to betray Jesus, someone had to do the dirty work. If Judas had declined, I truly believe that God would raised the stones to betray Jesus or made so he goes to the cross to die for our sins.

The whole essence of God's plan would have collapsed, if Jesus did not died and someone have to do the dirty work like betraying him, nailing him to the cross, etc...I get all that.

But that is not the point, the point is were these people cautioned, were they warned? Case in point, was Judas warned, and the answer is, Yes he was warned.

To conclude that, Judas had no choice because Jesus had to died is to display a profound lack of understanding of the scriptures and God's plan.

Even Jesus had a choice to die or not to die, the Bible said, he choose to die, same way Judas had a choice to betray him or not, but he choose to betray him...God has never and will never override our freewill, even in about bringing his plans to past and we bear the consequences good or bad of how we choose to exercise our freewill even if the resultant of that exercise is salvation or Godswill.

sodeide2013:
Don't just rush to post opinions in the media like you just did. If not, you might find out that what you think is right, is as far from right as the left.
Kemi committed a criminal offence. It would even be wrong for the pastor to cover that.
Secondly you forgive those that ask for forgiveness after realising their errors.
Pastor is not punishing anyone or calling fire from heaven to consume them. The law is punishing kemi
Pastor has a duty mind my word here, duty to report to the law. Why? Because he has a ministry with thousands. If he leaves things, the same public will say why didn't he go to court. The onus is on kemi to prove

1000Likes!!

Pure truth there!

Kondomatic:
There's nothing wrong in taking her to court as long as it is done with a right motive and a pure heart.

You're here talking about winning her soul and others but have you considered how many people that will leave the Church and possibly Christianity completely had the pastor kept quiet?

Many will assume he's guilty and depart, Nairaland atheist will mock others until they quit.

Some will be disappointed in him, his church and Christianity.

Winning souls is important but keeping a good name is important too because it wins souls even when you're not working.

Even when the Romans wanted to beat Paul, he said
"Is it legal for you to whip a Roman citizen who hasn't even been tried"

Tried where? In Roman court I guess.

Kemi and deep freezer are stumbling block to many pastors and Christians and it's a good thing that one of them is being shut up.

the way christanity is been Pratcised abroad and Nigeria are never the same..We are blind...U are quick to condem Freez but ur Stupid Pastor will Sleep with the members,yet,Una go forgive him.
Religion is deceptive and mindcontrolling

Kondomatic:
There's nothing wrong in taking her to court as long as it is done with a right motive and a pure heart.

You're here talking about winning her soul and others but have you considered how many people that will leave the Church and possibly Christianity completely had the pastor kept quiet?

Many will assume he's guilty and depart, Nairaland atheist will mock others until they quit.

Some will be disappointed in him, his church and Christianity.

Winning souls is important but keeping a good name is important too because it wins souls even when you're not working.

Even when the Romans wanted to beat Paul, he said
"Is it legal for you to whip a Roman citizen who hasn't even been tried"

Tried where? In Roman court I guess.

Kemi and deep freezer are stumbling block to many pastors and Christians and it's a good thing that one of them is being shut up.

the way christanity is been Pratcised abroad and Nigeria are never the same..We are blind...U are quick to condem Freez but ur Stupid Pastor will Sleep with the members,yet,Una go forgive him.
Religion is deceptive and mindcontrolling.

zionmade:
Do u think Jesus wanted Judas to perish? If yes is Judas to be blamed for wat he did?
If no den why didnt Jesus convert J.

Judas was needed to fufil prophesy, converting Judas means stopping the prophecy from coming to pass

Jay542:
Kemi deserves this treatment but not from a man of God

exactly my Point...

martineverest:
how does he xpect his members to practice forgiveness?

when it is time, she will be forgiven but for now let her be judge so that the truth will be make known.

majekdom2:
Many fail to realise it's not about the Pastor. It's about a woman who has committed a crime and has to face the law. The pastor has forgiven, it's left for the law to take it course.
Has kemi apologised? Has she pleaded gulity and sought compassion? What if she gets to court and pleads not guilty?

forgiven ke.The Pastor said no court or anyperson will save u

Tbillz:
Some Pastors In Nigeria, takes money from the poor and still oppress the contributors....Lol
SmH
Its becoming clear Politicians are holier than pastors

Don't give Saraki hope abeg

Pastor David has done well. Enough of the kemi woman of a thing. That's how she started with pastor Adeboye and the Man ignored her now she thought every other pastor will ignore her like that. She's better curtailed nw before her blackmail journalism get out of hand. Am sure she's enjoying the Beans and Garri in that prison.

zionmade:
My brother i will comment on ur post
Pastor Ibiyeome did nothing wrong.
Reason being dat: kemi is not a Christian and d bible only says dnt take ur brother to court. Dat means it will be wrong for pst David to do dat if d lady was a Christian.
Remember wat is happening to apostle Suleiman do u know how many souls dat must have been lost because of dat. If Kemi succeeds in diverting d pastor's attention into defending himself even though he did nothing do u know how d matter will excavate and how many souls will be lost?
Sometimes we need to shut d devil's vessel

You're not a christian! Jesus actually came for those that are not saved! The sinners! The non-Christians!

ozohtony:
Elijah could have allowed the fifty so God will fight for em instead of raining fire.

Besides Christ didn't condemn d law. The pastor only used the law.

In short I sign out of this.

Short sighted ppl just everywhere.
Jesus death seemed not to b enough. Make una go kill d Pastor.

....leave them to be shouting upandan...most of the people shouting forgive aunty Kemi are keeping malice with their family members and neighbours......
...in the Bible wen those little children were laughing and making fun of Elijah.....did he not curse them to be eaten up by wild animals?.....they were just children o...yet person mama like aunty Kemi would not respect herself and think she deserves to be respected in return.....

zionmade:
Unfortunately ur moniker renders ur opinion useless.
And moreover how many souls have u won?
How many times have u heard either of dem preach and not wat u allow unbelievers tell u about dem.

Lol two guy men on the alter.

wasuka14:
This message make send spine down my chin. Though am not a christians but even at that, we should learn from people of the past. Don't pay evil with evil, so that we might be save.
The mumu pastor will not know now that he is automatically ruin his own life. He think that he has the judgement now, it only God Almighty who have supreme control over all of us. Even at that can the pastor completly come out and said he is saint, i don't think so.

Some of you just hate pastors for no reason, it has nothing to do with what they do or don't do. If pastor do nothing now, Na you people go still come out and say, 'guilty as charged', 'silence is consent'. Maybe it's the tithe and offering many people are jealous of I no know. It's easy, if you want their money, go and start your own church, let see how far you can go without God's calling on you. The man has done what he felt he should do in the situation, let God be the judge.