Olu317:
Sorry for the late response, it was due to anti spamming stuff. Precisely to your perspective as it seems, on itsekiri people,the reality is that it was Nigeria created that it has taken away such opinion and people's identity from the new generation. Let me inform you that itsekiri fought on behalf of ILE IFE /Ekiti parapo during kiriji war. BINI didn't because it was not with any might. So, I understand your point but in truth they are largely Yoruba descendants. And if you say, they identify with Ondo axis, what grouping are the people in Ondo axis, especially the mentioned clans of yours? Even Arugbo/apoi in Ondo state speak Yoruboid language but claims Ijo (Izon/Ijawa). There is more that meet the eyes.

deomelo:
Yoruba people have a constitution, but I don't think this is the secret and original one drafted by Bola Ige and Gani Fawehinmi and Co.

Efewestern:


Can you provide a reference regarding the Kirji war, just hearing of such for the first time, no doubt the itsekiri are yoruha descendants but the people you call itsekiri today are collection of people who where united by a bini prince. need I remind you that most itsekiri communities claim direct connection with ijebu and others ilaje, why some claim few migrated from igala. so you see.

the itsekiri speak a language of yours but differ from you, they don't have same culture as you, don't behave as you, even the ilaje culture is entirely different from the ones in ogun.

I think I find it offensive trying to claim ijaw clan in ondo as Yoruba, those are ijaw migrant and their language is no way related to Yoruba, have met many of them.

FFKfuckedBIANCA:
Bola Ige the Cicero, Gani Fawehimi the Senior Advocate of the Masses, not forgetting Chief FRA Williams. Those were Yoruba legal titans.
Ki Olorun ba wa te won si afefe ire.

laudate:

Hmmn.... with all due respect, would this measure not be too drastic? There are people from minority groups like myself, who have lived, worked and studied in the SW region for years. I even know a few people who are not Yoruba, but are so assimilated into the Yoruba culture, that they are even alienated from their own paternal culture. Some of their maternal grandparents can trace their origins to border towns within the SW region. Would they be deported too? This needs a lot of careful thought & consideration...

deedeedee1:

Those ijaw guys murdered many of our people ikorodu and arepo last year.
They dont like us. See what jonathan did in his regime. How many yorubas where included in his administration? See what asari dokubo says about Yoruba people.
Anything Ijaw must not be allowed in our midst.
They should all Bleep off!!!

Olu317:
I made reference to it because of the record on history. In as much as , I don't want to engage people on historical connection to war on this forum because of the objective herein. Still on it, you can find written document to verify it and visit these environment to enquire; IFe, Ijebu and Ode Itsekiri(the elderly ones with knowledge on history) etc . Yoruba history showed who fought on both side. There was a treaty signed under the British colonialist during the war.Under the Balogun Onafowokan, was the whole soldiers from Ijebu – Itsekiri enclave fought. Some of the warriors came via itsekiri because of their expertise on bow and arrow. Then, on the Ijaw migrants to Ondo axis,can be clearly emphasize here that they speak Yoruboid language. This showed there that many are of Yoruba ancestry. Notwithstanding, I don't have disagreement against the identity they claim, because every human being has right to self identify. But I was just emphasising the difference between ijo in Ondo and the proper ijo in Bayelsa and its environs.

zombieHUNTER:
Oodua thread is for yorubas.... And you wont see any biafran here but just go to any biafran thread... Yorubas will be there derailing and hurling insults upandan... Najoke... Kahldrogo.. Vedaxcool.. Come and contribute to the discuss..

najoke:

But your dum* selwf is here and did you see anybody shouting Biafra, Kanu or calling igbos here.
When we discuss we dont care about you guys but when you guys open a thread if you dont shout Afonjaaa or insult the yorubas the thread wil not go beyond 1 page.
You call us we must answer. This thread is a true reflection of what will happen to NL when your likes leave to develop Biafrasay, egberetvnews and Biafraherald. We Afonjaas dont give 2 fuccks about you guys.....this thread says it all.
Meanwhile...moving forward you will be ignored cos you wil not derail this thread

Omofunaab2:

Are you aware the lands belongs to yorubas? And ijaws are migrants?
Why can't we chase the Ijaws in Ese-Odo out and retain our lands?

Efewestern:


now you just gave me work to do , will research on that war, gat some elderly itsekiri men as friends, As for the Ijo in ondo I still believe they have nothing in common with yoruboid, Yoruba connection ends in itsekiri, those ijo enclave migrated there even up till now they still maintain the ijaw dialect with no mixture of Yoruba in it. Their dialect is very similar to the one spoken in Delta state, so I still believe ijo in ondo are not yoruboid.

najoke:

But your dum* selwf is here and did you see anybody shouting Biafra, Kanu or calling igbos here.
When we discuss we dont care about you guys but when you guys open a thread if you dont shout Afonjaaa or insult the yorubas the thread wil not go beyond 1 page.
You call us we must answer. This thread is a true reflection of what will happen to NL when your likes leave to develop Biafrasay, egberetvnews and Biafraherald. We Afonjaas dont give 2 fuccks about you guys.....this thread says it all.
Meanwhile...moving forward you will be ignored cos you wil not derail this thread

KahlDrogo:
That is why I ignored him. He's trying to bring the stupidity of igbo Jews to soil the thread.

deedeedee1:

If that is the case, then the ijaws should go back to their land

shukuokukobambi:


The clown is just jealous and bitter that a thread on here can flow so seamlessly and in a cerebral fashion without fights even with the minorities posting and querying the position of some posters. If na some, the posts by laudate and efewestern would have elicited serious and aggressive negative reactions

That is the sophistication of the Yoruba that riles haters. The ability to tolerate opposing views without getting angry or overtly emotional. That's why the Mid-west could vote to leave the west, despite Enahoro and Rewane's protestations, and the members of the regional assembly gave them a standing ovation at the last sitting. Yoruba support freedom. Freedom of religion, thought, political views etc

Edumare bless us all here and everywhere

SuperS1Panther:
Please the constitution should clearly state that the region is independent of FG. FG cannot meddle in the affairs of the Region.

This is to prevent the kind of unholy and evil connivance and civilian coup d'etat by Balewa, Ahmadu Bello, Zik and Michael Okpara with active participation of Fani-Kayode, Akinjide, Fajemirokun etc to send Awo to prison over unsubstantiated claim.

omohayek:

Don't worry, not all of us are hardliners! Besides, it's one thing to advocate such harsh measures in a vacuum, and another thing to get them passed when you have to deal with millions of voters whose families will be personally affected. I just don't ever see a situation where the Yoruba majority will sit by and accept the forced deportation of their wives, husbands, cousins, old friends and trusted colleagues.

I also understand where the desire for a hard policy comes from, but I don't think there's a need to apply it universally and blindly to get the same effect. Something as simple as saying "You can't hold simultaneously hold our citizenship and that of X", while imposing a Yoruba-language fluency condition, would easily achieve much the same result, without needlessly expelling people who are not only friendly but have valuable skills and resources to contribute.

Olu317:
Kindly help appeal to other Yoruba here to sheath their anger over other tribes that have been doing evil against Yorubas. Beside, Yorubas married a lot of people from different part of the present day Nigeria. My own family is extremely guilty of such cases. And where do they want to push those one's cousins that had lived or even born in Yoruba land ? My take is that, we should find a way to disgust towards all but be very proactive in dealing with offenders.

Olu317:
Kindly help appeal to other Yoruba here to sheath their anger over other tribes that have been doing evil against Yorubas. Beside, Yorubas married a lot of people from different part of the present day Nigeria. My own family is extremely guilty of such cases. And where do they want to push those one's cousins that had lived or even born in Yoruba land ? My take is that, we should find a way to disgust towards all but be very proactive in dealing with offenders.

Omofunaab2:
If i may ask, what will be the fate of the "Eguns" found in Ogun and lagos states in a homogeneous yoruba nation?

Because I think the issue of who to allow and who not to allow, process of migration etc will be one of the problems we might encounter.

Egun is regarded as a separate ethnic group in Nigeria.. Even most of our terrestrial stations in the South west have programmes being televised in Egun language for Egun listeners. . Although i agree most Eguns speak yoruba and also bear yoruba names but they still maintain their identity... People are saying only Yoruba language should be spoken.. What about Egun language?


In the event we have an homogeneous yoruba nation, are we going to make sure the Eguns assimilate completely or maintain the status quo of having them as minority in the Yoruba nation?

I think we have all agreed that we don't want anything igbo or ijaw in a yoruba nation

AshiwajuFoward:

I don't think we'll have any problems with Eguns, by and large. They've been largely integrated over the years. Oba C.D Akran of Badagry was Minister of Economic Planning in the Western Region under Akintola. I think we've blended well together for centuries without any major issues. That's just my opinion though.

AshiwajuFoward:


I don't think we'll have any problems with Eguns, by and large. They've been largely integrated over the years. Oba C.D Akran of Badagry was Minister of Economic Planning in the Western Region under Akintola. I think we've blended well together for centuries without any major issues. That's just my opinion though.

Dalek:
Well i see the issue of adding some minorities and deporting non indigenes will be a big issue. well i for one believe in thd goodness of people. Yorubas can't be expert in many things, diversity in our human resources would help in the long run, remember the people are what makes a nation great.

Fine we want to avoid the issue of them screaming marginalization, but i believe we can get above dat by simple dialogue, believe it our not we Yorubas would be the majority like 96% to maybe 4% to others, now unlike the present Nigeria with high percent of major tribes. marginalization will never come like it is nigeria now, they get their states, make their laws, govern demsef, control whatever resources dey have. Believe me if the ilajes, ijaws in ondo, ebiras vote to join they will be accepted by their neighbors, we have no choice but to accommodate them on clear terms of unity.

now the issue of deportation of some, i support that to an extent. People should be given a specific time to round up dere affairs and leave voluntary, people who have no registered business, landed property should be made to leave.

people who own property or business should be made to apply for naturalization, including people who were born on Yoruba soil but of non indigenous parent's. the children are citizens of the Yoruba nation be default except they choose not to. forcibly deporting people will make us look bad, this people can go get ECOWAS passport and come back, working visas also, business visa also.

i believe in a greater border control, we need to create border post at all port of entry, where we check the influx of migrants.

i know not all will agree with me, but it better you don't, this is how manifesto are born, how political parties are convene. we just let the citizens decide on what/who dey want.
See you all at the polls.

Olu317:
Kindly help appeal to other Yoruba here to sheath their anger over other tribes that have been doing evil against Yorubas. Beside, Yorubas married a lot of people from different part of the present day Nigeria. My own family is extremely guilty of such cases. And where do they want to push those one's cousins that had lived or even born in Yoruba land ? My take is that, we should find a way to disgust towards all but be very proactive in dealing with offenders.

Omofunaab2:
If i may ask, what will be the fate of the "Eguns" found in Ogun and lagos states in a homogeneous yoruba nation?

Because I think the issue of who to allow and who not to allow, process of migration etc will be one of the problems we might encounter.

Egun is regarded as a separate ethnic group in Nigeria.. Even most of our terrestrial stations in the South west have programmes being televised in Egun language for Egun listeners. . Although i agree most Eguns speak yoruba and also bear yoruba names but they still maintain their identity... People are saying only Yoruba language should be spoken.. What about Egun language?


In the event we have an homogeneous yoruba nation, are we going to make sure the Eguns assimilate completely or maintain the status quo of having them as minority in the Yoruba nation?

I think we have all agreed that we don't want anything igbo or ijaw in a yoruba nation

AshiwajuFoward:


There's only ONE particular ethnic group that I feel we must actively be wary of. No other ethnic group has insulted us more or shown as much contempt towards us in our own space/land than them. You welcome them and sell land to them in a spirit of openness and they turn back around and throw it in your face that you are 'lazy', that you owe your very existence to them, and that just coz you sold land to them they have every right to insult you and insult your culture and way of life. I think the rest can be reasoned with and accommodated coz even now they don't drag with us or disrespect us in our land. That's just my opinion.

Omofunaab2:




Yes, I understand you egbon.. You are seeing it from a political angle . . Eguns are members of Ogun state house of assembly, I'm more concerned about the culture and language. if you follow discussions here, many have discussed of having an homogeneous yoruba nation where everything must be yoruba and everyone that wishes to join must assimilate completely in culture and language...

That was the reason why i asked what the fate of the Eguns that will still want to maintain their identity