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CatfishBilly:
In of my better threads on Nairaland, I shared a story of a mother who prayed for 12 hours non stop for the health of her baby. The child died.
Is that asking amiss?

JackBizzle:
You misunderstood Betrand Russel.

Anyone can quote. Understanding the meaning is the key

Ferisidowu:
lolz funny people ......


prayer experiment



were they expecting prayer experiment to work before ...................



if they claimed it worked .... it's also a problem


you can't use science to explain the efficacy of spiritual things



if NIGERIAN atheists want to pretend let them say they don't believe spiritual things exist ......

or they don't know herbalists potency or they deny witches too.
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spacetacular:
I have moved on from you.

JackBizzle:
My friend, forget about those spiritual mumbo jumbo. Call all your witches and herbalists they all die by fire or gunshot

spacetacular:
who kept count of the number of hours this alleged mother prayed for? You?

If you had read and understood my other comment this one would have been totally unnecessary.

Does one put new wine in an old bottle? If you do the old bottle would burst.

You would have been able to make a better informed conclusion about why her prayers went unanswered if you had access to her life and her inner spiritual workings or actions / reactions.

You only saw her outward prayer activities but like I said, prayer has a foundation as enumerated in my other comment.

spacetacular:
who kept count of the number of hours this alleged mother prayed for? You?

If you had read and understood my other comment this one would have been totally unnecessary.

Does one put new wine in an old bottle? If you do the old bottle would burst.

You would have been able to make a better informed conclusion about why her prayers went unanswered if you had access to her life and her inner spiritual workings or actions / reactions.

You only saw her outward prayer activities but like I said, prayer has a foundation as enumerated in my other comment.

JackBizzle:
Look at the bold! And you call yourself a scientist?

CatfishBilly:
All I see are cop outs, I'm sorry.
The condition given by Jesus in the scriptures was faith, for the woman to even think of praying, it means that she had faith that her prayers would make a difference.

If you say she might have been a sinner. In the template of prayers (The Lord's prayer) forgiveness of sins are asked before tabling the matter in prayers, so, the part of sin isn't there.

And Jesus said simply to ask, which she did, she didn't ask amiss.

So, why wasn't she answered?

I counted the length of her prayers. Her kid was in my unit, so, I saw everything.

CatfishBilly:
All I see are cop outs, I'm sorry.
The condition given by Jesus in the scriptures was faith, for the woman to even think of praying, it means that she had faith that her prayers would make a difference.

If you say she might have been a sinner. In the template of prayers (The Lord's prayer) forgiveness of sins are asked before tabling the matter in prayers, so, the part of sin isn't there.

And Jesus said simply to ask, which she did, she didn't ask amiss.

So, why wasn't she answered?

I counted the length of her prayers. Her kid was in my unit, so, I saw everything.

hopefulLandlord:
lol, the copout is obvious, somehow the woman is to blame for the unanswered prayer, first it was the "plan of god" then became "She might be a sinner"

spacetacular:
All I see with you is a gross lack of spiritual understanding and a deep desire not to.

Do you understand and know ALL medical procedures? With deliberate exposure to that which you do not know or understand only then would you understand and know it.

Anybody can pray and thus the ability to pray does not connote relationship with God and I guess you also heard her ask for forgiveness of sins while her kid was under your intensive care right?

Perhaps you were too distracted to offer adequate medical assistance and the kid died due to your medical negligence and you attribute it to failed prayer whose rudiments you lack access to.

spacetacular:
All I see with you is a gross lack of spiritual understanding and a deep desire not to.

Do you understand and know ALL medical procedures? With deliberate exposure to that which you do not know or understand only then would you understand and know it.

Anybody can pray and thus the ability to pray does not connote relationship with God and I guess you also heard her ask for forgiveness of sins while her kid was under your intensive care right?

Perhaps you were too distracted to offer adequate medical assistance and the kid died due to your medical negligence and you attribute it to failed prayer whose rudiments you lack access to.

CatfishBilly:
Deep desire not to learn and I'm asking you all these questions?

I heard her ask for forgiveness. I can never forget that woman in my life. She is a member of KingEbukasBlog congregation. She prayed and prayed till she lacked the strength to pray. She is a small part of the reason why I am an atheist today.

Even if the kid died out of my medical "negligence", prayer is supposed to do the unimaginable. It's supposed to move mountains and cast them into the sea, so, a small thing like my medical "negligence" won't stand in the way of the ultimate powers of prayers now, would it?

spacetacular:
Your statements which come after your questions show you do not wish to learn but just want to be busy asking redundant questions .

You heard her ask for forgiveness and you monitored her prayer type and duration. All this while giving intensive care to a dying child?

Spare me from the stories please.

I guess in this hospital of yours Prayers always went Unanswered under your watch right?

CatfishBilly:
So, it's no longer the failure of prayers, it's now the "incompetence" of the doctor?
Nice turn you did there, Johan Cruyff.

spacetacular:
Same way you were swinging the way of God based on assumptions I simply swung the way of your practice based on assumptions as well.

Does it look familiar?

CatfishBilly:
Prayers work in the face of an incompetent doctor, True or False?

JackBizzle:
My friend, forget about those spiritual mumbo jumbo.
Call all your witches and herbalists they all die by fire or gunshot

spacetacular:
Do you admit to being incompetent that day?

CatfishBilly:
Child was admitted into my unit. The worst cases were handled by the most senior doctors in the unit, I was part of the doctors in the unit, but I wasn't the most senior doctor, so, my competency is irrelevant in this scenario.

So, I ask again, do prayers work in the face of an incompetent doctor?

spacetacular:
How am I sure you are not passing the buck now? You could have been the highest ranking that day we wouldn't know simply because we were not there. Same way you had no access to the spiritual to draw natural conclusions based on assumptions.

CatfishBilly:
This is a simple question.
Do prayers work in the face of an incompetent doctor?
My answer is NO.
What is your answer?

spacetacular:
Since you already had an answer why then did you ask the question? I did say you just want to ask questions with no intention of learning. Did you not just prove me right?

spacetacular:
How am I sure you are not passing the buck now? You could have been the highest ranking that day we wouldn't know simply because we were not there. Same way you had no access to the spiritual to draw natural conclusions based on assumptions.

CatfishBilly:
You said Jackbizzle didn't drop his own argument.
I'm making mine and you're not cool with it?

I'm not dogmatic. If you can drop a convincing argument, I'll reevaluate my faith. I'm like that.
So, what's your answer/explanation?

Deicide:
Nitrogen Day DNA?

spacetacular:
Arguments without proof are not tenable. I told Jack to drop his arguments along with evidence. Have you done same?

Humanistme:
you guys are funny