Azy123:
Na wa o. So far 75 pointers only got invite according to immitracker.

ZoeW you dull yourself you for don get ITA now

As the gist be now..... I no go use my BSc o. So its back to status quo.

Even on other forum we still get conflicting information. Yet there has been people granted VISA in the past without assessing their highest qualification. I am in this situation as well and I do not plan to assess. Unless if someone can tell me that it has change.

I think the emphasis is on Over claiming point

As long as you are sure of the point you should be save

The above are my opinion. And I stand by it, If wrong please someone correct me with following info...

1) point claim
2) Name of school and country of school
3) Equivalent according to CEP ( lawland can help us out here)

It will help me and others too

Our ogas dem please come and put mouth ..

cc Bellong, NNBB2012 etc

doyen06:



Let me start by congratulating you on your postitive assessment. I said here sometimes ago that people should do away with ICT business analyst if possible. I saw some information here that I think I need to correct. You cannot claim point for your university degree because it has not been assessed by the ACS. While waiting for my visa I have seen two people been refused for over claiming points. Any qualification not rubber stamped by the appropraiate assessing authority will not be accepted by DIBP. I'll advice you fill an EOI and wait until you get an invite for 189. Alternatively go the 190 route, you will be considered for the first or second invitation rounds by NSW for example. 70 point is such a good point for state nomination. I wish you all the best.

Azy123:
So far, what we know is that you can claim education point for your highest qualification obtained in any discipline as far as the point you are claiming is correct according to the AQF equivalent.

Azy123:
Congratulations to you.

Your education point is 15 points. Don't shortchange yourself o.

you can claim point for the education even if ACS did not say anything about it as far it is a 5 years course in a section 2 university or 4 yr course in section 1 university.

No need to assess with Vetasses at all. Don't waste time and money. You only need to do that if your assessing authority says they can not assess your degree and refer you to vetassess. in your case ACS is silent on it.

Please submit another EOI ASAP with 75 points.

Abeg I go need PTE training from you o.

ZoeW:

As the gist be now..... I no go use my BSc o. So its back to status quo.

yungmin:


Depends on how old you are now. Waiting for 1 or more years might reduce your points by 5 again. So, do your calculations very well

I'm actually 27 years old now

Azy123:
Even on other forum we still get conflicting information. Yet there has been people granted VISA in the past without assessing their highest qualification. I am in this situation as well and I do not plan to assess. Unless if someone can tell me that it has change.

I think the emphasis is on Over claiming point

As long as you are sure of the point you should be save

The above are my opinion. And I stand by it, If wrong please someone correct me with following info...

1) point claim
2) Name of school and country of school
3) Equivalent according to CEP ( lawland can help us out here)

It will help me and others too

Our ogas dem please come and put mouth ..

cc Bellong, NNBB2012 etc

You can only claim point from the degree assessed. Don't make mistake of overclaiming points, it might lead to visa refusal.
Your degree is not relevant to the occupation you nominated and that's why your certification was assessed instead. You have can either wait while waiting for 189 or apply for 190. If I were you, I would go for 190.

ZoeW:

Thanks bro! its now $3670 sef. Not to mention dependants. Lol. I go use brain o.

I didnt know I can create multiple EOIs sef. hmm. Let me try that.

Even with 70pts, you are covered. at least based on track record. EOI with DOE 06/06/2017 got invited yesterday (as seen on immitracker)

this is indeed an interesting topic.
am with doyen and NNBB2012 on this one until proven otherwise

nkechima:

No mind DIPB. If you reach Canada thread eeh PPR just dey fly like no man biz

If they nolonger want to continue, they should inform us so we can channel our resources to pursue canny..o.

ZoeW:

Hmmm.... conflicting information everywhere o! Thanks for the advice sha. I think its better to be safe than to be sorry. I would use the 'diploma' like that.
But is there anyone that has scaled through visa application just using a certificate which was not assessed by any body to claim points for education? It would be good to know 'cos this is a very interesting topic

No you can't. If I remember well, when filling application form post ITA, you will be asked to provide the relevant assessing authority when you enter your qualification. And when Dipb checks they would see the qualification assessed which is not BSc in this case.

Just create another EOI for state nomination if you don't want to wait for 189. You should get nominated in no time.

Cheers!

HELLO BELLONG, I NEED UR ADVICE ON SMTHING,,AM LOOKING FOWARD TO SECURE AN AUSTRALIAN 2YEARS TEMPORARY WORK VISA BY OCTOBER,
PLEASE I WILL LOVE TO KNOW HOW MUCH I CAN BE ABLE TO WORK IN AUSTRALIA WITH THIS TYPE OF VISA, IS THERE ANY LIMITATIONS TO THE TYPE OF JOB I CAN DO?
WILL EMPLOYERS ACCEPT MY JOB APPLICATIONS WITH THIS TYPE OF VISA?
OR IS IT FOR ONLY A SPECIFIC CATEGORY OF JOBS,
CAN I USE MY 2YEARS TO PROCESS A PERMANENT RESIDENCY VISA SINCE I WILL NOW HAVE AUSTRALIAN EXPERINCE..
PLEASE FELLOW NAIRALANDERS HELP ME OUT WITH YOUR HONEST OPINION.
THANKS ALL

bellong:
This thread aims at providing guide, instructions and genuine advice to prospective applicants for Australian permanent resident visa through the skilled migration program. For those looking to apply for study (student) visa, the link below will be more useful as it has enough information about applying to schools and Australian study visa. This new thread is specifically for permanent resident visa application.

Prospective students, follow this thread.. https://www.nairaland.com/2338380/general-australian-visa-enquiries-part

By way of introduction, Australia has a number of pathway to getting permanent resident status but the easiest is the skilled migration. Skilled migration, as the name implies means opportunity for both "academic skilled and technical skilled" people to migrate legally and permanently to Australia. The program was originally designed to address skill shortages in the country generally, so they came up with a system that attracts people who can meet the minimum requirements.

There are five visa subclass in the skilled migration pathway namely Subclass 189 (Independent), 190 (State sponsored), 489 (Regional/nominated provisional), 132 (Business Talent) and 188 (Business Innovation and investment, provisional). I will be talking strictly on the first three. See link for Australian Border Force's website for the skilled migration.. http://www.border.gov.au/Trav/Work/Skil

The three visa subclass, 189, 190 and 489 are for professionals, technologists, artisans and trade workers who can meet up to minimum of 60points for 189, 55points for 190 and 50 points for 489. I will explain how the points are calculated, occupation list and application in the subsequent posts.


CC:
NNBB2012
Scrollmeout
Johnsontade
Izykvision01
Crestline


Please, avoid sending PMs, except for special circumstances, ask your question on this thread so others can benefit from it to prevent unnecessary repetition of questions. Thanks.

For easy access, I have attached the following documents . There will not be need resending or asking if people do read.

1, Reference letter sample
2, Statutory declaration sample
3, Vetasses general occupations list/instructions


DISCLAIMER:

THE CONTENTS OF THIS THREAD ARE STRICTLY THE OPINIONS OF THE AUTHOR. NONE SHOULD BE TAKEN AS MIGRATION ADVICE. FOR MIGRATION ADVICE.

Xkoba:
Hello guys pls what is the current AUD exchange rate to naira..wanna pay for vetassess

help a brothere pls

@ZoeW

It seems you are covered with your 70 point with diploma claim as earlier stated by alphadoor. Lots of update on immitracker from yesterday.

We now see 70 pointers invited.

ZoeW:
Finally, after what seems like an eternity I have gotten a positive assessment from ACS for ICT Business Analyst (ANZSCO 261111). A big thank you to Azy123 and Alphadoor for your help. God bless una!!

Your Certified Information Systems Auditor from Information Systems Audit and Control Association completed October 2014 has been assessed as comparable to an AQF Diploma with a Major in computing.

This gives me 10 points instead of 15. So I have 70 points with a break down below:

Age - 30
English - 20
Experience - 10
Education - 10

Hoping for ideas guys. Thanks.

@Zoew, can you please educate me on how you were able to claim 10 points for experience? I am of the opinion that work experience is counted after qualification, which in this case is October 2014, or is there something I'm missing?

Well, this is bad news for me. But if that is the correct information. I'm glad I am getting it now rather than later.

I will still do more research on this. Please if you have contrary information to NNB2012, doyen06, iceberg64 and alphadoor info/opinion on this matter. please come out and help a brother.

All of a sudden 65 points has drop to 60 points.

@ all please ask your questions here so others can counsel and advice. An individual might simply advice or inform you based on what he believe to be true.

*Modified* As it turned out, after constructive argument, we can now say, 100% as @ 26th July 2017, that point can be claimed for the highest qualification obtained whether assessed or not. But it must be according to CEP.

NNBB2012:


You can only claim point from the degree assessed. Don't make mistake of overclaiming points, it might lead to visa refusal.
Your degree is not relevant to the occupation you nominated and that's why your certification was assessed instead. You have can either wait while waiting for 189 or apply for 190. If I were you, I would go for 190.

Folatem:


@Zoew, can you please educate me on how you were able to claim 10 points for experience? I am of the opinion that work experience is counted after qualification, which in this case is October 2014, or is there something I'm missing?

Hope this answers your question.

Azy123:
@ZoeW

It seems you are covered with your 70 point with diploma claim as earlier stated by alphadoor. Lots of update on immitracker from yesterday.

We now see 70 pointers invited.

In all this I still see no 261111. Fingers crossed sha. I have filled EOIs for NSW and VIC

ZoeW:


Hope this answers your question.

Oh, thanks.

Alphadoor:


Even with 70pts, you are covered. at least based on track record. EOI with DOE 06/06/2017 got invited yesterday (as seen on immitracker)

this is indeed an interesting topic.
am with doyen and NNBB2012 on this one until proven otherwise

Alphadoor pls send me a link to this immitracker page. Where Google is taking me ain't explicit like this your shot. Thanks

jayooh:


Alphadoor pls send me a link to this immitracker page. Where Google is taking me ain't explicit like this your shot. Thanks

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1hDMwZx2ba47Fe-pwKOgzNOYKbjSmqLOXAbsDvCEfWyY/htmlview#

its not from immitracker

Azy123:
Well, this is bad news for me. But if that is the correct information. I'm glad I am getting it now rather than later.

I will still do more research on this. Please if you have contrary information to NNB2012, doyen06, iceberg64 and alphadoor info/opinion on this matter. please come out and help a brother.

All of a sudden 65 points has drop to 60 points.

@ all please ask your questions here so others can counsel and advice. An individual might simply advice or inform you based on what he believe to be true.

There is always a conflicting information on this topic, but from my experience and that of my friends, you can only be denied visa for qualification if your assessing body assessed your highest qualification as not being comparable to AQF bachelors degree and you go ahead and claim 15 points. If your assessing body didn't assess your highest qualification because it is not related to your nominated occupation, you can go ahead and claim points for it as long as it is comparable to the AQF equivalent. Two ways to know this are by going for PTA with Vetasses or by accessing CEP. Vetassess and DIBP use CEP to assess qualification.A CO will never deny you visa straight away if he is not satisfied with the comparability of your qualification to AQF, you will be asked to go for PTA. Like i said, this is from my own personal experience, intensive research when i was in this situation and from my friends after me.

Thanks lawland for your comment.

It is music to my ears.

Can you please help with specifics. I try to send you a PM I don't know if you got it ( just in case you feel the specific are too personal). I need to be 100 % sure on this. Thanks.

Please help to answer the questions below:

1) Did the assessing authority mention the degree at all. In my own case it was not mentioned. Same with ZoeW from that screenshot posted earlier
2) What point was claimed
3) What was the CEP equivalent
4) Were you or any of your friend asked to do VETASSES PTA and did it came out as the same to what was on the CEP.

(4.5) Was the VISA granted . The most important question

5) In the case PTA comes out different, then point is overclaimed, do you think in that case CO may allow one to graciuosly withdraw the application citing human error in form filling??

lawland:
There is always a conflicting information on this topic, but from my experience and that of my friends, you can only be denied visa for qualification if your assessing body assessed your highest qualification as not being comparable to AQF bachelors degree and you go ahead and claim 15 points. If your assessing body didn't assess your highest qualification because it is not related to your nominated occupation, you can go ahead and claim points for it as long as it is comparable to the AQF equivalent. Two ways to know this are by going for PTA with Vetasses or by accessing CEP. Vetassess and DIBP use CEP to assess qualification.A CO will never deny you visa straight away if he is not satisfied with the comparability of your qualification to AQF, you will be asked to go for PTA. Like i said, this is from my own personal experience, intensive research when i was in this situation and from my friends after me.

@Dikachi12,

What is the subclass of the visa?

How did you apply for it?

lawland:
There is always a conflicting information on this topic, but from my experience and that of my friends, you can only be denied visa for qualification if your assessing body assessed your highest qualification as not being comparable to AQF bachelors degree and you go ahead and claim 15 points. If your assessing body didn't assess your highest qualification because it is not related to your nominated occupation, you can go ahead and claim points for it as long as it is comparable to the AQF equivalent. Two ways to know this are by going for PTA with Vetasses or by accessing CEP. Vetassess and DIBP use CEP to assess qualification.A CO will never deny you visa straight away if he is not satisfied with the comparability of your qualification to AQF, you will be asked to go for PTA. Like i said, this is from my own personal experience, intensive research when i was in this situation and from my friends after me.

@lawland who certifies the highlighted or is it "Self Evaluation"
please help me shed more light sir
when you say friend experience or your experience.
Did you or your friend claim points using a non assessed degree certificate and you have both gotten Direct Grant Letters.
was you or your friend advised by CO to go for point test?
I believe its not your duty to decisively self evaluate your AQF, its up to the assessing bodies to do this. Example.... @toslad had vetassess deny her degree while IPA or ICAA recognised it.

.....
#5pts_Movement#

Alphadoor:

#5pts_Movement#

We have to get to the bottom of this ooo. Even half point is crucial now o. Lol. The #5pts_Movement hustle is real
But jokes aside, it's best for us not to make a costly mistake! And all the responses so far will help us all (in a similar situation) make an informed decision. Thanks to all who have contributed and still contributing to this topic.

Ok.. 4 of my mates did Advanced diploma in Electrical Engineering here, they assessed their diploma qualification for electrical engineering draftsperson with EA and never mentioned their degrees. They got positive outcome and nothing about their degree was mentioned in the outcome letter. When filling the EOI, they entered their degree as their highest qualification and got 15 points for it. Specifics: one studied a 4 years course in Unilag, the other 2 studied a 5 yrs course from FUTO and one is french and studied in France. They all got their visa granted and no questions about qualification asked. I hope this answers all your questions?

Azy123:
Well, this is bad news for me. But if that is the correct information. I'm glad I am getting it now rather than later.

I will still do more research on this. Please if you have contrary information to NNB2012, doyen06, iceberg64 and alphadoor info/opinion on this matter. please come out and help a brother.

All of a sudden 65 points has drop to 60 points.

@ all please ask your questions here so others can counsel and advice. An individual might simply advice or inform you based on what he believe to be true.

I just double checked this and I found out that you could actually claim points from your highest qualification eventhough is not mentioned in your assessment letter. However, the qualification in question MUST be equivalent to Australian Bachelor degree, as assessed by Vetassess or Case officer referring to CEP

Where did you finish from and how many years?

Take a look at the policy guideline below used by the case officer in decision making.


Decision maker must also have regard to any other claims provided by the applicant that are relevant to the consideration of the qualification.

It is anticipated that, generally, an applicant’s qualification claims will be assessed by the relevant assessing authority for the purpose of that authority issuing a skills assessment. If an assessing authority has provided an opinion on an applicant’s qualification, the applicant should provide this with their visa application, together with any other relevant supporting documentation to support their claims and should include copies of the qualifications and transcripts provided to the assessing authority.

If an applicant may be issued with a suitable skills assessment based only on an assessment of an applicant’s claims of on the job training and skilled employment then, unless the applicant has other qualifications of a recognised standard, they are not eligible for educational factor points.

If an applicant’s highest level educational qualification (including qualification at a doctorate level) is not related to the nominated or closely related occupation, the applicant can have their qualification assessed by VETASSESS as to the comparability of their qualification to Australian standards for the purpose of awarding points. Decision makers must have regard to any opinion provided by VETASSESS on an applicant’s qualification (as this is ‘any other relevant matter’ they must have regard to in determining whether an educational qualification is of a recognised standard, under regulation 2.26AC(5)(d)).

If neither the relevant assessing authority nor VETASSESS has provided an opinion on an applicant’s qualifications, case officers must assess the qualification claims presented by the applicant. In such scenarios case officers should take into consideration any relevant information that is available to them, including information available on Country Education Profiles, advice from AEI - NOOSR and any other relevant evidence provided by the applicant.

I believe this clear enough. Thanks for the detailed info gotten from your research. God bless

NNBB2012:

I just double checked this and I found out that you could actually claim points from your highest qualification eventhough is not mentioned in your assessment letter. However, the qualification in question MUST be equivalent to Australian Bachelor degree, as assessed by Vetassess or Case officer referring to CEP

If neither the relevant assessing authority nor VETASSESS has provided an opinion on an applicant’s qualifications, case officers must assess the qualification claims presented by the applicant. In such scenarios case officers should take into consideration any relevant information that is available to them, including information available on Country Education Profiles, advice from AEI - NOOSR and any other relevant evidence provided by the applicant.

lawland:
Ok.. 4 of my mates did Advanced diploma in Electrical Engineering here, they assessed their diploma qualification for electrical engineering draftsperson with EA and never mentioned their degrees. They got positive outcome and nothing about their degree was mentioned in the outcome letter. When filling the EOI, they entered their degree as their highest qualification and got 15 points for it. Specifics: one studied a 4 years course in Unilag, the other 2 studied a 5 yrs course from FUTO and one is french and studied in France. They all got their visa granted and no questions about qualification asked. I hope this answers all your questions?

NNBB2012:


I just double checked this and I found out that you could actually claim points from your highest qualification eventhough is not mentioned in your assessment letter. However, the qualification in question MUST be equivalent to Australian Bachelor degree, as assessed by Vetassess or Case officer referring to CEP

Where did you finish from and how many years?

Take a look at the policy guideline below used by the case officer in decision making.


Decision maker must also have regard to any other claims provided by the applicant that are relevant to the consideration of the qualification.

It is anticipated that, generally, an applicant’s qualification claims will be assessed by the relevant assessing authority for the purpose of that authority issuing a skills assessment. If an assessing authority has provided an opinion on an applicant’s qualification, the applicant should provide this with their visa application, together with any other relevant supporting documentation to support their claims and should include copies of the qualifications and transcripts provided to the assessing authority.

If an applicant may be issued with a suitable skills assessment based only on an assessment of an applicant’s claims of on the job training and skilled employment then, unless the applicant has other qualifications of a recognised standard, they are not eligible for educational factor points.

If an applicant’s highest level educational qualification (including qualification at a doctorate level) is not related to the nominated or closely related occupation, the applicant can have their qualification assessed by VETASSESS as to the comparability of their qualification to Australian standards for the purpose of awarding points. Decision makers must have regard to any opinion provided by VETASSESS on an applicant’s qualification (as this is ‘any other relevant matter’ they must have regard to in determining whether an educational qualification is of a recognised standard, under regulation 2.26AC(5)(d)).

If neither the relevant assessing authority nor VETASSESS has provided an opinion on an applicant’s qualifications, case officers must assess the qualification claims presented by the applicant. In such scenarios case officers should take into consideration any relevant information that is available to them, including information available on Country Education Profiles, advice from AEI - NOOSR and any other relevant evidence provided by the applicant.

Benefits of constructive arguement
Good info from NNBB2012 Lawland
In light of the above information. @zoew @azy123 . The choice is now yours to either take the plunge or not.

Alphadoor:


Congratulations zoew. 70pts already
IMO, please research very well on the non accessed B.SC degree points claim before you update tour EOI with, while the excitement of boosting your point is welcomed, you do not want to shoot yourself in the leg also by over claiming.
You took the RPL route because your degree was not related to your occupation.
Am not sure how this works but please do your research very well pls pls ... $3600 no be beans oo..

Meanwhile am sure you can shoot for state nominations while waiting for ITA.
also 70points stil guarantees you an invite but longer waiting waiting based on the competitive nature of the NOC

If i may ask in the eoi form is there not an option of choosing both 189 and 190 visa?and then you can either choose a particular state for nomination or all...i ve been looking tru that form by filling some parts and i ve seen about 1-4 of the pages ...pls can someone explain why we need to send multiple eoi and if theres no penalty?thanks

NNBB2012:


I just double checked this and I found out that you could actually claim points from your highest qualification eventhough is not mentioned in your assessment letter. However, the qualification in question MUST be equivalent to Australian Bachelor degree, as assessed by Vetassess or Case officer referring to CEP

Thanks for this effort @NNBB2012, wondering if u can include a link to the source so we can probably read more.

All I can say here is……………..it pays to ask your questions here openly and attract as many opinions as possible rather than sending PMs upandan.

Misoke:


If i may ask in the eoi form is there not an option of choosing both 189 and 190 visa?and then you can either choose a particular state for nomination or all...i ve been looking tru that form by filling some parts and i ve seen about 1-4 of the pages ...pls can someone explain why we need to send multiple eoi and if theres no penalty?thanks

Yes . you can select 189/190 as shown in the attached.
There is no penalty for mulitple EOI's but once you get desired invite from any of the EOI its good withdraw the others.

Having multiple EOI is to help you maximize your options E.g Just imagine getting a NSW nomination today ... and the next day a 189 nomination, multiple EOI gives you the chance to cancel the 190 and proceed with the 189. but if you received the 190 ITA under same profile, it automatically locks that profile for further ITA and if u decline the ITA, it puts back on the queue after 60 days.

i hope am right though

Plunge already taken since that is why I claimed 15 points. That was what I believed to be true but started doubting and fearing when I saw comments. As it is, nothing has changed.

CASE CLOSED. This case was open on this forum and closed before with the same conclusion.

Thanks lawland for the example from experience. If we like we can read all blogs but one single comparable experience helps put the mind at rest.
Thanks NNBB2012 for the info. Alphadoor #5 pt_movement#

Summary for others

As far as you have a positive assessment from an assessing body and the point you are claiming is clearly supported by CEP. the following applies...

1) If you have a positive assessment with one qualification and have another qualification that is higher you can use the higher qualification to claim point.
2) If your assessment authority is silent on the higher qualification - you can claim point for it
3) If the qualification is not related to your occupation - you can claim point for it
4) Even if you complete the highest qualification yesterday - you can claim point for it today

@ZoeW edit your 189 EOI Asap congrat on your ITA in advance

Alphadoor:

Benefits of constructive arguement
Good info from NNBB2012 Lawland
In light of the above information. @zoew @azy123 . The choice is now yours to either take the plunge or not.

Finally, the result of the almighty PTE-A written yesterday rolled in. Too bad...too bad...too bad.
L66, R71, W81, S63.
Over to IELTS.

Sorry bro. Refire dont retire

Where did you write the exam please.

koleefem05:
Finally, the result of the almighty PTE-A written yesterday rolled in. Too bad...too bad...too bad.
L66, R71, W81, S63.
Over to IELTS.