butterflyl1on:



What desperation and stupidity. From hinduism/buddhism which is the origin of karma you leapfrogged to Christianity with it.

You are hopelessly ignorant and deceptively mad.

Oga why not tackle the issue, even though you must insult?

DeSepiero:


Oga why not tackle the issue, even though you must insult?

My post tackled the issue of course. When stupidity is cross bred with deception and ignorance it can only produce such a mad OP.

DarkRebel69:


Your attempt at giving the concept of Karma a Newtonian twist was clearly not well thought out, and also a shot in the foot.

Law of Karma says: "for every action, there is a commesurate and similar reward" i.e. if you do evil, you receive equal evil.

Newton's third Law of motion: "for every action, there is an equal and OPPOSITE reaction" i.e. if you do evil, you get the OPPOSITE (good).

Like I said, “shot in the foot”.

physics student will laugh at you..... I can't engage this ignorance...... Am sorry if you feel hurt with my choice of word......

hopefulLandlord:


tell me more, so stealing was good for the thief before Abrahamics came? and why were kings judging their people's actions and condemning them to death or punishing them in other ways if "there's no good and bad" before the middle eastern people came?

get the concept right before you tackle it......morality in African tradition is not similar with that of the western part......in african system, especially that of Yoruba ,there is a balance system to check and balance cultures and morals .....the morals are of two classes—those that govern individual conduct and those that govern social and community relations. Morals that govern social conduct and community relations, and thus protect the community..... This moral are prescribed not base on the condition of what is good or bad but what the babalawo prescribe.... The babalawo consult the oracle(the flawless communication with God) on behalf of the people and then telll the kings or elders in council what is requested of them.


If you are aware human are been used for sacrifice and it is common in Africa in the olden days, but it was put to stop even before the western arrive ......this are Oracle divination not concept of either it is good or bad

most of the people here are so ignorant and unenlightened that's why they say things like""politicians do evil and some don't get to pay.........some people good and they get evil in return" ..........the thing is........... reincarnation is real and sometimes we get to pay later.............that's why some people are born.........and things just work for them without stress..........but some face a lot of problems before getting any good results...........so karma is as real as death

abeeee:
most of the people here are so ignorant and unenlightened that's why they say things like""politicians do evil and some don't get to pay.........some people good and they get evil in return" ..........the thing is........... reincarnation is real and sometimes we get to pay later.............that's why some people are born.........and things just work for them without stress..........but some face a lot of problems before getting any good results...........so karma is as real as death

Your enlightenment is induced by grail message. And how you think that grail makes rational sense, really defined your enlightenment value.

I go with capslocks thinking ...


Coolusername also made some valid points.

Nice topic Akin.

I dont believe karma is real... juat some man made bulshit which many religious folks believe in as usual without thinking it through.

What many people call karma is just a result of their own self fulfulilled prephecy. Example.. when a friend does evil to us(say molest our loving child) and we are helpless to retaliate, we so desire they get hurt too bad that we begin to wish bad on them too, we wish bad on them to the extent we wish some invisible force(god, nature, karma, even devil) could help us give them the pain they deserve for hurting us. Infact we end up beilving that this force will fight for us.

This is nothing but an unconsious prophescy that evil will befall them.

Because we are already expecting evil on them, any normal unfortunate even that happens to such individual, say he lost his job or had an accident, we quickly hold unto it and conclude that karma has eventually caught up on such individual... but this is just our mind playing tricks on us and telling us we have gotten the justice we deserve. Its just a self fullfilled prophecy.

At the end of the day... it has its only soothing psychological effect that helps us go through some pains. Its a coping mechanism and thats why most people will argue that karma exists... because without it they feel all alone and powerless.

Its kind of comforting to feel nature or God is fighting for u... ever wonder why butterflylion will insult u when u say his God does not exist? He cannot afford to handle feeling alone.

@OP, hope you realize you just said nothing.

Freiburger:
@OP, hope you realize you just said nothing.

Whats the meaning of this?

vaxx:
get the concept right before you tackle it......morality in African tradition is not similar with that of the western part......in african system, especially that of Yoruba ,there is a balance system to check and balance cultures and morals .....the morals are of two classes—those that govern individual conduct and those that govern social and community relations. Morals that govern social conduct and community relations, and thus protect the community..... This moral are prescribed not base on the condition of what is good or bad but what the babalawo prescribe.... The babalawo consult the oracle(the flawless communication with God) on behalf of the people and then telll the kings or elders in council what is requested of them.


If you are aware human are been used for sacrifice and it is common in Africa in the olden days, but it was put to stop even before the western arrive ......this are Oracle divination not concept of either it is good or bad

I'm pretty much ignorant of Yoruba traditions or at least compared to you but I think you might be equivocating a bit here
from your writeup @ bolded I can see there's still good and bad, just how they get to decide what's good and bad that's different from the abrahamics, while the abrahamics say their own morality is set in stone and its final as written in their various books, yours rely on oracle communicating from time to time and so what's wrong today might be right tomorrow and vice versa

However, it still follows that there's right and wrong cuz it would be right if the people hearken and do whatever the Oracle requests of them and it would be wrong if they do the opposite

@italics, I'll need a source on that

Ferisidowu:
why settle with theory ,,,,, did anyone ask you not to do evil ,,,, karma may not exist but you know seeing is believing .... cut Someone's head, do things injurious to health and claim that karma doesn't exist....

mtewwwww.

Martinez19:
mtewwwww.

lolz

abeeee:
most of the people here are so ignorant and unenlightened that's why they say things like""politicians do evil and some don't get to pay.........some people good and they get evil in return" ..........the thing is........... reincarnation is real and sometimes we get to pay later.............that's why some people are born.........and things just work for them without stress..........but some face a lot of problems before getting any good results...........so karma is as real as death

How do you know people reincarnate? What evidence do you have for reincarnation and do you know your previous life?

Freiburger:
@OP, hope you realize you just said nothing.

And you said something?

hopefulLandlord:


I'm pretty much ignorant of Yoruba traditions or at least compared to you but I think you might be equivocating a bit here
from your writeup @ bolded I can see there's still good and bad, just how they get to decide what's good and bad that's different from the abrahamics, while the abrahamics say their own morality is set in stone and its final as written in their various books, yours rely on oracle communicating from time to time and so what's wrong today might be right tomorrow and vice versa

However, it still follows that there's right and wrong cuz it would be right if the people hearken and do whatever the Oracle requests of them and it would be wrong if they do the opposite

@italics, I'll need a source on that

on the italics I will do that soon....


I think you are getting the concept but just misapplication on your part , still trying to mix it with western style...i understand...


there is collaboration between individual and public morality through the intermediation of moral agents which are the bablawo, the elders and the king.

The society is morally self sustainable through constant communication with the oracle and not base on existing laws or authority while the enforcement of rules and law is not coercive as it is in the modern state,

This stick to the consciousness of the people and progress is ensure, an obedience becomes a duty for duty's sake and not the oracle sake .......

frank317:
I go with capslocks thinking ...


Coolusername also made some valid points.

Nice topic Akin.

I dont believe karma is real... juat some man made bulshit which many religious folks believe in as usual without thinking it through.

What many people call karma is just a result of their own self fulfulilled prephecy. Example.. when a friend does evil to us(say molest our loving child) and we are helpless to retaliate, we so desire they get hurt too bad that we begin to wish bad on them too, we wish bad on them to the extent we wish some invisible force(god, nature, karma, even devil) could help us give them the pain they deserve for hurting us. Infact we end up beilving that this force will fight for us.

This is nothing but an unconsious prophescy that evil will befall them.

Because we are already expecting evil on them, any normal unfortunate even that happens to such individual, say he lost his job or had an accident, we quickly hold unto it and conclude that karma has eventually caught up on such individual... but this is just our mind playing tricks on us and telling us we have gotten the justice we deserve. Its just a self fullfilled prophecy.

At the end of the day... it has its only soothing psychological effect that helps us go through some pains. Its a coping mechanism and thats why most people will argue that karma exists... because without it they feel all alone and powerless.

Its kind of comforting to feel nature or God is fighting for u... ever wonder why butterflylion will insult u when u say his God does not exist? He cannot afford to handle feeling alone.

Beautiful contribution.

Freiburger:
@OP, hope you realize you just said nothing.

frank317:


Whats the meaning of this?

Some of you here would only hope and wish there was/is no such thing called karma. Of course it feels good at times to act in someonelse's disadvantage with the notion that there won't be any repercussion. What could be better?

Can any of you explain to me why everything in our universe, even at the physical realm, tends to strive towards a balance? Even as good and evil seems not to have a clear way of dinstiguishing themselves, both still have a way of balancing out themselves. Hit the wall with the knuckle, you will get back a pain, same pain as the pressure you applied. A simple law of physics.

The OP got me laughing when he referred to our politicians as karma free individuals.
Ever wonder how these people sleeps at night? Many of them are walking dead. They don't owe you any explanation, so why should you know about their plight? A deeper look at them speaks much of what I'm talking about.

People find it difficult embracing karma free food, so how would they understand what karma actually is in the first place? They will read a stuffs from a book with no proper clarity, come here and keeping fighting on it as if their whole life depends on that very topic. What else on earth can give a better knowledge about a topic apart from a personal experience? Why not have a personal experience on it before coming here to fight? How ridiculous...
These are the same people who can't even breath to the base of their spine.

Friends, in case you don't know, the law of karma is as real as the law if gravity, the air you breath in and out and it does not always has to do with being paid back with evil for evil deeds. Some karma are transferred to a next generation. Cheers

Freiburger:



Some of you here would only hope and wish there was/is no such thing called karma. Of course it feels good at times to act in someonelse's disadvantage with the notion that there won't be any repercussion. What could be better?

The mistake u nake is that u assume we (those who dont believe in karma) are very bad people who want to continue doing bad and hurting others. And u selfishly think just because u believe in karma u are good.

I, on the contrary, wish karma exist. I have done so much good to people that if karma existed it would have rewarded me greatly. I used to have this very kind uncle whom everyone loved, he never hurt anyone, yet he died miserably a few years ago in pain. His children are still not finding life funny. Meanwhile i see many wicked folks doing well and just dying in their sleep.
Think bro, think!

Can any of you explain to me why everything in our universe, even at the physical realm, tends to strive towards a balance? Even as good and evil seems not to have a clear way of dinstiguishing themselves, both still have a way of balancing out themselves. Hit the wall with the knuckle, you will get back a pain, same pain as the pressure you applied. A simple law of physics.

This balance u talk about is in ur head. What do u call balance? The thousand innocent children displaced by natural disaster or terrorism? Where exactly did u see this balanace. Its not just about saying it, show it. Good and evil are not beings... they are just human concept that varies from society to society. Good and evil is our definition of how we feel about what happens to us. Where did u see them balancing?
Hitting my hand on the wall and feeling pain does not mean if i hit ur gand on the wall i will feel pain. Some people are born with brain tumors and die before they age of 2... where exactly dis they hit their hand on the wall?

The OP got me laughing when he referred to our politicians as karma free individuals.
Ever wonder how these people sleeps at night? Many of them are walking dead. They don't owe you any explanation, so why should you know about their plight? A deeper look at them speaks much of what I'm talking about.

How are u so sure they dont sleep at night? Is it only evil people that dont sleep at night? At least we see the politicians in the day looking robust chubby and happy, striving hard to make more money, no remorse. But u are seeing them at night. Why are u so confident to conclude with what u dont see rather than what u see. If u assume politicians don't sleep well at night do u also assume that all good people sleep well at night? The poor man stays awake thinking of how to feed his family, is that also karma?
I can therefore put it to u that not sleeping well at night is not a function of karma.

People find it difficult embracing karma free food, so how would they understand what karma actually is in the first place? They will read a stuffs from a book with no proper clarity, come here and keeping fighting on it as if their whole life depends on that very topic. What else on earth can give a better knowledge about a topic apart from a personal experience? Why not have a personal experience on it before coming here to fight? How ridiculous...
These are the same people who can't even breath to the base of their spine.

I am sure whatever u experienced is not karma, thats what i am trying to tell u. Evil is not a result of karma neither is good. Think it through. How can one experience something and know for sure its karma? I just described what u call karma as self fulfiled prophecy. Its just ur brain making things up or have u ever spoken with karma?
If someone cannot breath do the base of their spine what has that got to do with karma?

Friends, in case you don't know, the law of karma is as real as the law if gravity, the air you breath in and out and it does not always has to do with being paid back with evil for evil deeds. Some karma are transferred to a next generation. Cheers

Listen to urself... which karma did u see got transfered from the previous generation. U seem to have an adventurous mind. How is karma as real as gravity yet it is being disputed.
What makes u so sure that the man with brain tumor is suffering as a result of karma. Answer me pls and dont use "maybe"

Freiburger:


The OP got me laughing when he referred to our politicians as karma free individuals.
Ever wonder how these people sleeps at night? Many of them are walking dead. They don't owe you any explanation, so why should you know about their plight? A deeper look at them speaks much of what I'm talking about.

It's obvious that you're pained, that you can't do anything about the hurts you have suffered, from the direct or indirect actions of folks around you. The very reason you're ridiculously fixated on illusion of karma.

Can you state clearly here, the "karma" that Gen Sani Abacha or his family members got?

Freiburger:

Why not have a personal experience on it before coming here to fight? How ridiculous...

Start with your experience of karma, then your posturing will have a semblance of sense.

Interesting debate.

Good observation but you missed a spot.
You do good you attract good karma.
While evil deed attracts bad karma.

When you do evil, the equal and opposite karma is the evil comeuppance you get but good recompense to those you erred. Get it?

pressplay411:
Good observation but you missed a spot.
You do good you attract good karma.
While evil deed attracts bad karma.

When you do evil, the equal and opposite karma is the evil comeuppance you get but good recompense to those you erred. Get it?

why then do we have some wicked people leaving a happy life, and some good people suffering.

trust me, if doing good actaully attracts good karma... NO ONE WILL BE BAD

do you know that the reason why some people do bad is to seek for good? if doing bad attracts bad karma, why would a kidnapper like evans live a affluent life and even when caught, he has good lawyers fighting for his freedom? meanwhile there are people who have been accused wrongly and suffering for the evil of others?
what bad did babies do to attract bad karma?

again how does this karma work? if i am kind to 4 people an just decide to treat the fifth person bad, how does karma pay me? To the 5th person I am mean and he expects karma to pay me back badly, while to the remaining 4, i am nice and they expect karma to pay me back with goodies... will karma be confused in this situation?

frank317:


why then do we have some wicked people leaving a happy life, and some good people suffering.

trust me, if doing good actaully attracts good karma... NO ONE WILL BE BAD

do you know that the reason why some people do bad is to seek for good? if doing bad attracts bad karma, why would a kidnapper like evans live a affluent life and even when caught, he has good lawyers fighting for his freedom? meanwhile there are people who have been accused wrongly and suffering for the evil of others?
what bad did babies do to attract bad karma?

again how does this karma work? if i am kind to 4 people an just decide to treat the fifth person bad, how does karma pay me? To the 5th person I am mean and he expects karma to pay me back badly, while to the remaining 4, i am nice and they expect karma to pay me back with goodies... will karma be confused in this situation?

Well I'm no expert but the error here is that Karma is time bound. Not necessarily immediate. Citing examples from the Bible and history, we read how the world is suffering for Abraham's evil towards Haggai which has resorted to Christian and Islamic woes.
MKO Abiola is a more recent example, it is known the evil part he played in politics against Awolowo, which can be argued to be responsible for his evil karma when he got everything right yet he never achieved his ambition to become president.
If proper documentation of our lives is kept, you'll realise Karma is still as efficacious today as it has always been.

pressplay411:


Well I'm no expert but the error here is that Karma is time bound. Not necessarily immediate. Citing examples from the Bible and history, we read how the world is suffering for Abraham's evil towards Haggai which has resorted to Christian and Islamic woes.
MKO Abiola is a more recent example, it is known the evil part he played in politics against Awolowo, which can be argued to be responsible for his evil karma when he got everything right yet he never achieved his ambition to become president.
If proper documentation of our lives is kept, you'll realise Karma is still as efficacious today as it has always been.

perhaps I should ask you... what really is karma to u?

is it the result of mistakes people make or is it some force that ensures evil people or good people gets payed back?

What if Abiola's inability to become the president was because of a wrong decision he made in the whole presidential race process? How did u come to conclusion that his inability to become the president was because of the evil part he played in politics against Awolowo? have u taken into account, some wrong decisions he must have taken while seeking for president?

trust me, u dont believe in karma... if you do, u wouldnt even want us to have police or fight back when someone hurts u. u would just relax and wait for karma to take its cause like, according to u, it did to abiola.

frank317:


perhaps I should ask you... what really is karma to u?

is it the result of mistakes people make or is it some force that ensures evil people or good people gets payed back?

What if Abiola's inability to become the president was because of a wrong decision he made in the whole presidential race process? How did u come to conclusion that his inability to become the president was because of the evil part he played in politics against Awolowo? have u taken into account, some wrong decisions he must have taken while seeking for president?

trust me, u dont believe in karma... if you do, u wouldnt even want us to have police or fight back when someone hurts u. u would just relax and wait for karma to take its cause like, according to u, it did to abiola.

Nobody has these answers and I'm not here to pretend to.
Do you agree that Life/Nature is all about Balance and Cycles?
Everything eventually balances out, it may only take time.

vaxx:
physics student will laugh at you..... I can't engage this ignorance...... Am sorry if you feel hurt with my choice of word......

Actually you are the one to be laugh at. You are a poor student of physics.

When will this shameless lair stop telling lies na?

butterflyl1on:


And you are always spewing stupidity in caps.

How do Christians believe in Karma when the laws of cause and effect can NEVER be altered.

Before that law of cause and effect was defined by science the Bible documented the law of seed time and harvest aka sowing and reaping.

Shut up! Even the bible lied that there shall be no peace for the wicked.

It goes on to say that:

The fear of the LORD prolongs life, But the years of the wicked will be shortened.Proverbs 10:27(Another lie ).

Sowing and reaping is Karma and it doesn't work in the real world. Many people sow good deeds and reap evil while many other sow evil deeds and reap good rewards.

However we are also taught not to pay evil for evil but to pay back with good even when evil is metted out to us. So your so called law of karma which is that you would always get paid evil for evil does not work for us as Christians but it works for the people of the world. What we know is to love when we are hated, bless and not curse even when we are cursed, render good and not evil even when rendered evil to.

Stop parroting nonsense you idiot. How many times do you pay back evil with good, you shameless liar. How many times have you blessed those that insult and curse you here? You even get angry and throw tirades at people that mock your God a different entity from you that allegedly exist and can do everything for itself. You guys always talk and say things that are impossible even for yourselves. How many christians render evil with good? Look at the world around you and show me shameless lair. Your beliefs and everything about it begins and ends with baseless claims. The reality is totally different. You guys are always insulting your fellow christians over doctrinal diffrences, talk more of paying love to those that hate you. You are a liar, you all pray for your ememies to die or evil to befall them. You fight them back when ever they fight you, you never do what the bible says because you know it's foolish and impossible. Your actions here on nairaland says that you are a shameless liar.

Would you like me to show you the scriptural backing to all these Mr stupidity in caps?

You can throw scriptures around like a headless akuya, but your actions always speak louder than your empty words. Tell me when you ever blessed any atheist that cursed you or mock you imaginary God.

frank317 am loving your contributions.

pressplay411:


Nobody has these answers and I'm not here to pretend to.
Do you agree that Life/Nature is all about Balance and Cycles?
Everything eventually balances out, it may only take time.

We have to stop this behaviour of making assumptions over something we know absolutely nothing about, it will get us no where.
U dont really know what karma is, u dont know how it operates, u WANT it to be real so u come here and defend its existence despite all evidence presented that its just a man made concept that cant be authenticated or shown in real life. Smh
I dont believe in any balance... but i sure do Hope for the best. I mean, life is so unfair that i wish some forces could come in and balance things out... but u know what, as i get older i just know that we only have ourselves to acheive the balance we want and if we try and we cant, we just have to move on instead of making up magical stories like psychotic individuals.

dalaman:
frank317 am loving your contributions.

Thanks bro

tintingz:
How do you know people reincarnate? What evidence do you have for reincarnation and do you know your previous life?

you would have understood certain things if you had only a little enlightenment................

abeeee:
you would have understood certain things if you had only a little enlightenment................

Stop this empty talk. Your evidence that people reincarnate is what?