Evidence for the validity of Islam

Praise be to Allah

The evidence for the validity of Islam and the truthfulness of the Prophethood of the Prophet Muhammad (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) is abundant and can hardly be enumerated. This evidence is sufficient to convince any wise and fair-minded person who is impartially and sincerely seeking the truth. We can sum up some of this proof as follows. 

1.     The evidence of sound human nature 

The call of Islam is in accordance with sound human nature, as is indicated by the words of Allah, may He be glorified and exalted (interpretation of the meaning):

“So set you (O Muhammad (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him)) your face towards the religion of pure Islamic Monotheism Hanifa (worship none but Allah Alone) Allah’s Fitrah (i.e. Allah’s Islamic Monotheism), with which He has created mankind. No change let there be in Khalqillah (i.e. the Religion of Allah Islamic Monotheism), that is the straight religion, but most of men know not”

[ar-Room 30:30]. 

And the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) said: “There is no child who is not born in a state of fitrah, then his parents make him a Jew or a Christian or a Magian, just as animals bring forth animals with their limbs intact, do you see any deformed one among them?”

Narrated by al-Bukhaari (1358) and Muslim (2658). 

The words “animals bring forth animals with their limbs intact” mean: just as an animal is born with its limbs intact and free of defects; anything that happens to it of cuts to its ears and so on happens after it is born. 

Similarly, every human is born with an inherent inclination towards Islam, and any deviation from Islam is undoubtedly a departure from sound human nature. Therefore we never find anything in the teachings of Islam that is contrary to sound human nature. Rather all of its teachings on beliefs and practical matters are in accordance with sound human nature. As for religions and ideologies other than Islam, they include things that are contrary to sound human nature. This is something that is quite clear and apparent to anyone who reflects and ponders. 

2.     Rational evidence 

There are many Islamic texts that address reason and direct people to examine the rational proof and evidence, and call upon people of sound reasoning and mature thinking to examine the definitive evidence for the soundness of Islam. 

Allah, may He be exalted, says (interpretation of the meaning):

“(This is) a Book (the Qur’an) which We have sent down to you, full of blessings that they may ponder over its Verses, and that men of understanding may remember”

[Saad 38:29]. 

Al-Qaadi ‘Iyaad said concerning the miraculous aspects of the Qur’an:

In it you will see that there is an explanation of a set of divine laws; it mentions the way of proof based on reason, presents arguments against the misguided followers of different religions and sects, and argues against them on the basis of strong and clear proof, using very easy and concise language. Those who pretend to be clever tried to come up with proof and evidence like that, but they were not able to do so.

End quote from ash-Shifa (1/390) 

The texts of the revelation do not contain anything that is impossible according to rational thinking or that would be rejected by reason, and the texts never presented an argument that contradicts reason or contradicts any analogy based on rational thinking. Rather the proponents of falsehood never presented any analogy to support their falsehood but the Qur’an refuted it on the basis of truth and an argument that is based on clear reason. 

Allah, may He be exalted, says (interpretation of the meaning):

“And no example or similitude do they bring (to oppose or to find fault in you or in this Qur’an), but We reveal to you the truth (against that similitude or example), and the better explanation thereof”

[al-Furqaan 25:33].                            

Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah (may Allah have mercy on him) said:

Here Allah, may He be glorified, tells us that the disbelievers do not produce any rational argument to support their falsehood but He refutes it on the basis of truth, and presents arguments and evidence and examples that offer a better explanation thereof, are more convincing and give a clearer explanation of the truth than their argument and analogy.

End quote from Majmoo‘ al-Fataawa (4/106) 

One of the examples of rational evidence in the Qur’an is the verse in which Allah, may He be exalted, says (interpretation of the meaning):

“Do they not then consider the Qur’an carefully? Had it been from other than Allah, they would surely have found therein much contradiction”

[an-Nisa’ 4:82]. 

In Tafseer al-Qurtubi it says:

There is no one who speaks a great deal but you will find a lot of contradiction in his words, either in the presentation and wording, or in the meaning, or you will find discrepancies, or there will be untruths. Allah, may He be glorified and exalted, sent down the Qur’an and instructed them to reflect on it, because they will not find in it any discrepancies in the presentation of ideas, or any flaws in what it promotes, or any contradiction, or any lies in what they are told of matters of the unseen and what they conceal.

End quote from al-Jaami‘ li Ahkaam al-Qur’an (5/290) 

Ibn Katheer said:

That is, if it were fabricated and made up, as the ignorant polytheists and hypocrites said to themselves, “they would surely have found therein much contradiction” that is, many flaws and discrepancies. In other words, this Book is free of discrepancies and contradictions, therefore it is from Allah.

End quote from Tafseer al-Qur’an al-‘Azeem (1/802) 

3.     Miracles and signs of Prophethood 

Allah, may He be exalted, supported His noble Prophet Muhammad (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) with numerous miracles and tangible signs that pointed to the truthfulness of his Prophethood and the soundness of his message, such as the splitting of the moon for him, the glorification of Allah by food and pebbles in front of him, the springing forth of water from between his fingers, the increasing of food, and other miracles and signs that were seen and witnessed by huge numbers of people, and have been transmitted to us via saheeh isnaads (sound chains of narration) that reach the level of tawaatur. This gives rise to certainty. 

An example of that is that which is narrated in a saheeh report from ‘Abdullah ibn Mas‘ood, that he said: We were with the Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) on a journey and our supply of water ran low. He said: “Bring me a little leftover water.” So they brought a vessel in which there was a little water. He put his hand in the vessel, then said: “Come to a blessed, purifying water; and the blessing is from Allah.” And I saw the water springing from between the fingers of the Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him). And we used to hear the food glorifying Allah as it was being eaten. 

Narrated by al-Bukhaari (3579) 

4.     Prophecies 

What is meant by prophecies here is what the revelation foretold of matters and events that would happen in the future, whether that was during the lifetime of the Prophet Muhammad (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) or after his death. 

The Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) never foretold anything that would happen in the future, but it would happen exactly as he foretold. This indicates that Allah, may He be glorified and exalted, had revealed and disclosed to him some matters of unseen knowledge that could not be attained except by means of revelation. 

One example of that is the report narrated by Abu Hurayrah, that the Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) said: “The Hour will not begin until a fire emerges in the land of the Hijaz which will illuminate the necks of the camels in Busra.” 

Narrated by al-Bukhaari (7118) and Muslim (2902). 

And it happened exactly as the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) had foretold, in 654 AH – approximately 644 years after his death. This was mentioned by historians, including al-‘Allaamah Abu Shaamah al-Maqdisi, in his book Dhayl ar-Rawdatayn. He was one of the scholars who lived at the time of this historical incident. It was also mentioned by al-Haafiz Ibn Katheer in al-Bidaayah wa’n-Nihaayah (13/219), where he said: Then the year 654 AH began, in which there appeared fire in the land of the Hijaz by which the necks of the camels in Busra were illuminated, as it says in the agreed-upon hadith. Shaykh al-‘Allaamah al-Haafiz Shihaab ad-Deen Abu Shaamah al-Maqdisi spoke at length about that in his adh-Dhayl wa Sharhuhu, based on many letters that came to Damascus from the Hijaz, describing that fire that had been witnessed and seen, and how it emerged, and the story thereof. 

To sum up what Abu Shaamah said:

Letters came to Damascus from the Prophet’s City – may the best of blessings and peace be upon its inhabitant – speaking of the emergence of a fire in their land on 5th Jumaada al-Aakhirah this year. The letters were written on 5th Rajab, when the fire was still burning, and they reached us on 10th Sha‘baan. Then he said: In the name of Allah, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful. At the beginning of Sha‘baan 654 AH, letters came to the city of Damascus from the city of the Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) describing a significant event that occurred there, in which there was confirmation of the hadith of Abu Hurayrah in as-Saheehayn, who said: The Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) said: “The Hour will not begin until a fire emerges in the land of the Hijaz which will illuminate the necks of the camels in Busra.” Someone whom I trust from among those who saw it told me that he heard that in Tayma’ letters had been written by its light. 

He said: We were in our houses during those nights, and in the house of each one of us it was as if there was a lamp, but it had no heat and did not burn, despite its greatness; rather it was one of the signs of Allah, may He be glorified and exalted. End quote.

Deadlytruth:


The bolded is rather a hypocritic utterance. The caustic contents of your magazines against other denominations have already left no one in doubt that JWs are actually the ones on a personal vendetta against other Christians.


You accuse him of being awake for hours waiting for attacks? Since when has it become a crime or sin to sacrifice one's comfort in non violent defense of one's genuine convictions? Why focus on his zeal and tenacity rather than address his questions?

Are you trying to shut him up in a subtle manner by advising him to go and sleep?
Ironically you people cry "Persecution!" at the slightest perceived attempts of being shut up by the authorities, yet you are guilty of doing the same here using very subtle and seductive means.

You have been noticed. Good morning!

Deadlytruth:


That is an outward form of religion which has no bearing on actual righteousness. Some denominations also dress in particular ways which to them are the standards of being approved by God as against conduct and inner purity. The holding of Bibles and magazines in hands all over public places is an outward show of religiosity which Jesus condemns. True Christians are supposed to be identified ONLY by very very pleasing godly conducts and the actual manifestation of God's supernatural powers and not by mere showy but mundane activities like holding magazines at motor parks, bus stops and market squares.

Now its no longer the fact that we preach that is an issue, its the bag we carry? A bag?

You have been noticed!

mitchyy:


You have been noticed. Good morning!

That is an escapist route away from the challenge you have been confronted with here.
How does this kind of response address the numerous questions placed before you here? We are asking you these questions not to be noticed but to learn from you since you claim you alone are God approved. Are we the children of the devil wrong to want to learn from the true children of God like you?

mitchyy:


Now its no longer the fact that we preach that is an issue, its the bag we carry? A bag?

You have been noticed!

The manner in which the preaching is done is the very issue of this thread, and the carrying of bags and magazines from house to house is part of it.
Please address the questions raised.

Deadlytruth:

The manner in which the preaching is done is the very issue of this thread, and the carrying of bags and magazines from house to house is part of it.
Please address the questions raised.

No. I won't address any question raised. Why? I am not at your beck and call. A lot of pages have been dedicated to this issue and lots of fellow witnesses have said all that needs to be said.
Secondly, this is Monday. A lot of witnesses are not jobless.
If this comment leaves behind me a trail of attacks from you and others, you still won't get a response from me because I'll be busy attending to my family and business

alBHAGDADI:
You claim there are no Kingdom halls in those places cos JW fear they will be burnt, but preaching takes place there. How can the JW style of house to house preaching take place in a country that doesn't want to hear the gospel and are eager to burn Churches and Christians? The questions i, how many JW kingdom halls have been burnt in those places? Why should the cost of building again bother you when you boast of being 8 million JW? Will the provision of the money be too hard for your 8 million members?

Every place where the Apostles were killed today, you will find that those places still have Churches standing. If the other disciples were to reason like JW, Christianity won't have had a solid footing there. Paul was killed in Rome, today Christianity abounds there.

Just admit that the only presence you have in hostile countries is an online presence. And do give credit to those who endure it all and are actually on ground despite persecution to ensure Christianity is established in hostile grounds.

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Since u now admit that preaching work goes on in doz countries, the only issue u have is d supposed failure to establish a church in doz places, shebi? Well, I guess preaching being the crux of d means of spreading the gospel is the underlying ish. That being so, ur grouse is neither here nor there. This is because there are a whole lot of churches with just one building. No other branch anywhere. E.g SCAN, Word of life bible church (the Omo Jesus piece pastor), etc. Their failure to establish a branch in neighbouring cities which are very accommodating has no root in fear of losing their buildings to hostility.
Like I said b4, which I believe u failed to see, probably due to too much huffing and puffing, there is onland preaching in doz places o! Hear word o! Only that it is discreet o!

mitchyy:


No. I won't address any question raised. Why? Witnesses at not at your beck and call. A lot of pages have been dedicated to this issue and lots of fellow witnesses have said all that needs to be said.
Secondly, this is Monday. A lot of witnesses are not jobless.
If this comment leaves behind me a trail of attacks from you and others, you still won't get a response from me because I'll be busy attending to my family and business

Written publications can't answer the question that arise in the mind after reading the publications hence a direct face to face interaction is indispensable. Much as there was existing collection of written scripture in Christ's time on earth he still took time to orally answer questions about God and did not just redirect all questions to those written scriptures?
Why then do you direct me not even to the Bible but to mere literature of magazines and publications subject to error by virtue of their human authorship?

Well, Jesus was so much at the beck and call of everyone that He cut short His sleep to answer Nicodemus' questions, frequently denied Himself rest to attend to as many as came to him for spiritual education, etc. It is not recorded anywhere in the Bible that he told anyone he was too busy to answer his questions however silly or unnecessary such questions might be. Why then are members of our God-approved organization telling people off with excuses of being busy, and calling such questions attacks?

The truth is that you really got no answer. After all you had earlier shoved off my question by implicitly alleging me of seeking to be noticed.
Peace be unto you all the same!

Deadlytruth:



Written publications can't answer the question that arise in the mind after reading the publications hence a direct face to face interaction is indispensable. Much as there was existing collection of written scripture in Christ's time on earth he still took time to orally answer questions about God and did not just redirect all questions to those written scriptures?
Why then do you direct me not even to the Bible but to mere literature of magazines and publications subject to error by virtue of their human authorship?

Well, Jesus was so much at the beck and call of everyone that He cut short His sleep to answer Nicodemus' questions, frequently denied Himself rest to attend to as many as came to him for spiritual education, etc. It is not recorded anywhere in the Bible that he told anyone he was too busy to answer his questions however silly or unnecessary such questions might be. Why then are members of our God-approved organization telling people off with excuses of being busy, and calling such questions attacks?

The truth is that you really got no answer. After all you had earlier shoved off my question by implicitly alleging me of seeking to be noticed.
Peace be unto you all the same!

If you that is what you believe, peace unto you as well my friend

I couldn't resist one last comment

mitchyy:


If you that is what you believe, peace unto you as well my friend

I couldn't resist one last comment

I thought you said you were not at my beck and call? Oh I can see it only applies to the questions I raise about your doctrines.

Deadlytruth:

Thank you. Boko Haram bombed so many churches in Nigeria while they had a field day in their war against Christianity. How many of their victim churches were JWs' kingdom Halls? None! Does that not even seem to suggest that JWs were not really a spiritual threat to Antichrist organizations?

My dear, this is the question i have been asking. Where are the JW who claim they are the real Christians when fake Christians are being killed by Muslims? JW don't dare take their kingdom arguments to the places where they will be killed.

Their evangelism is amongst the Christians not the unbeliever.

Pls, Jw, just like the Die Heart Evangelicals, take your message to places that must hear it whether satan likes it or not. Oh wait!!!!!, they can't can't face satan.

This is a display of boldness and courage on the part of the Evangelicals and fear and timidity on the part of the JW, and this kind of boldness that makes a man still want to go knowing he can be killed comes only from having the Holy Spirit inside of him. But, the JW doesn't believe that the Holy Spirit is still at work in us today. No wonder they wait for the storm to cool down before going out.


Christians be careful of the JW.

I only asked a question that required a simple Bible verse. Even if I didn't know it, I could easily search for it whereas it is a very popular Bible verse. There are many reasons for asking questions. I feel that Christians should quote from the Bible and not insinuate things from their own thoughts. Jehovah's Witnesses endeavour to make citations from the Bible at all times. It is appalling to read a whole chapter of criticism from you without a single scripture cited. I didn't consider that alright and I feel better that you are using your Bible now. I advise you to continue doing what you just did in this comment. It will make you a sound Christian.

In the other vein, it is an honour to refer you to the second of my questions. You went along denigrating the JW and forgot to answer it. What aspect of the Mormonic doctrines do you find most intriguing? Can you answer, please?

Deadlytruth:


So you mean you have never come across Mathew 7:5 or that your organization believes as usual that it was not in the 'original' text?
Matt. 7:5 is the most referenced verse to denounce hypocrisy in modern day Christianity if you don't know.
Anyway, how could you have come across it when your organization bans you from doing your own personal study of the Bible and building an opinion independent of Awake or Watchtower contents so that you might not one day begin to challenge its traditional manipulative interpretations aimed at mind control?
Jesus Christ Himself made it clear that those who lack conviction founded on a deep personal knowledge of the scriptures are like houses which foundations are built on sand hence susceptible to being easily washed away by whatever apostate doctrine first blows like wind or falls like rain on them.

I don't have time to talk to you about this!! Maybe the next time they knock at your door try to listen. It's very very important. I hope you remember this expression someday, and wish you had.

Peace bro

Deadlytruth:


Pride, arrogance and carnal mindedness is when one refuses to heed scripture-based corrections but terms it jealousy.
The Bible is against house to house preaching, so you can't claim you are doing the right thing by getting involved in it.
You either accept that you are wrong or prove us wrong with superior evidence from the same Bible. Is the Bible no longer our ultimate guide?

Sane people say 'when they go low, we go high'. If you intend to stay low, it has no connection with the world. If you chose to be bitter about yourself, the world does not revolve around you. Regardless of the intensity that you desire to achieve with this, futility awaits you in the end. Proverbs 4:16 King James Bible
For they sleep not, except they have done mischief; and their sleep is taken away, unless they cause some to fall.

Deadlytruth:


Why focus on his moniker rather than answer his questions? Is this attitude of yours not a micro manifestation of your organization's larger scale attitude of always attacking other Christians rather than focus purely on spreading the gospel?

Is the Holy Spirit at work in you?

Emmanystone:

the JW doesn't believe that the Holy Spirit is still at work in us today.

Probably, not! Educate me, please. What is blasphemy?
We do not equate ourselves with God and his Holy Spirit. We believe that we are Jehovah God's creation and that we are empowered by his Holy Spirit. John 14:16 New International Version
And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another advocate to help you and be with you forever

So, we believe that all we have achieved in our ministry is not our power but the influence of Jehovah and his provisions through his son, Jesus Christ.

We are mere mortals, full of sins and cannot compare to God.

Deadlytruth:

Do you really even know what blasphemy means? Are you now equating yourselves to the God and the Holy Spirit?

Well, Jesus told the Pharisees that no sign will be given them unless the sign of Jonah and that sign was at his death Matthew 12:39. They kept seeking miracles and they were insatiable because their hearts were corrupted.

Not that they did not witness the miracles that Jesus performed, they did. They kept on asking for something beyond what is needed and if Jesus had given them a sign, they would have asked for more.

He is seeking to know about the JW activities in Saudi Arabia after blaspheming and denigrating the JW. He opened a thread, denigrated the JW and made an unconstructive conclusion. Afterwards, he summoned his colleagues to a smear-the-JW feast. Then, subtly he asks a snaring question just like the serpent did to Eve. That is a decoy, bro. You do not respond to a question of that sort. It is a waste of time and energy. I would want to believe that we are educated individuals here.

When you meet a sincere or curious mind, the explanation becomes easy. Literally, JW do not attack or engage in debates. It is not by force to hear our message. If one is unresponsive, we will leave that one alone. We are not JW for the interest of proving a point to any mortal man. We are on an assignment that Jesus gave us and he gave us a guide as to how to carry the assignment.

I am not here to make negative minds feel better. I bet the people you study with have the same answer as mine.

Ever8054:
I study with jw and love there message but I dislike the way you attain to questions..give specific answers and not making it look as if you have done it b4 but the person has refused to accept...I was expecting you to attack him with proofs that jw are doing there best in those countries...come to think of it,if its true that your organization is preaching in Saudi or other Arabic countries,.can you tell me why cause i did like to know.. thanks

Emmanystone:

My dear, this is the question i have been asking. Where are the JW who claim they are the real Christians when fake Christians are being killed by Muslims? JW don't dare take their kingdom arguments to the places where they will be killed.

Their evangelism is amongst the Christians not the unbeliever.

Pls, Jw, just like the Die Heart Evangelicals, take your message to places that must hear it whether satan likes it or not. Oh wait!!!!!, they can't can't face satan.

This is a display of boldness and courage on the part of the Evangelicals and fear and timidity on the part of the JW, and this kind of boldness that makes a man still want to go knowing he can be killed comes only from having the Holy Spirit inside of him. But, the JW doesn't believe that the Holy Spirit is still at work in us today. No wonder they wait for the storm to cool down before going out.


Christians be careful of the JW.

Had a single Kingdom Hall been attacked by Boko Haram, the JWs would have repeatedly made it headlines in their magazines as evidence of persecution of the "true religion", and be accusing Christendom.
But here we are with the victim Christian churches not even making any issues out of the attacks because they know that persecution should normally be expected as Christ had forewarned them.
The other denominations secretly rejoice to find themselves worthy of persecution and tribulations for Christ while JWs resent and cry against in through every means available to them.

removetheturban:
Do you want them to give the money to you? Why are you envious of someone success. one pastor says "control your jealousy'. Do you think that he is right?
Where did you get the blasphemy in the bolded?

Below is how you accused him of blasphemy for accusing your organization of dishonest financial dealings which now prompted me to ask when you became God or the Holy Spirit against whom an accusation constitutes blasphemy.

See the conversation below:


by removetheturban : 10:23pm On Feb 11
Do you want them to give the money to you? Why are you envious of someone success. one pastor says "control your jealousy'. Do you think that he is right?
Hairyrapunzel :
They had money to build Warwick. They got money from the sale of their old headquarters which their members built free of charge.
Money that they guilt trip people into donating. Mtchewww
Where did you get the blasphemy in the bolded?

removetheturban:
Sane people say 'when they go low, we go high'. If you intend to stay low, it has no connection with the world. If you chose to be bitter about yourself, the world does not revolve around you. Regardless of the intensity that you desire to achieve with this, futility awaits you in the end. Proverbs 4:16 King James Bible
For they sleep not, except they have done mischief; and their sleep is taken away, unless they cause some to fall.

Your proverb above actually applies more to you as you are the ones who have chosen to stay low in envious bitterness of other Christians by always attacking them both in your publications and oral sermons.
Can you show me just one publication in which any other Christian denomination has ever attacked JW? You can't find one! So judge for yourself who has decided to remain low.

switnpea:
I don't have time to talk to you about this!! Maybe the next time they knock at your door try to listen. It's very very important. I hope you remember this expression someday, and wish you had.

Peace bro

It is rather surprising that after taking my time out to make it clear here the several instances in which I listened to JWs and then asked them questions which rather than give scripture-backed answers to they stopped visiting me, you still choose to advise me to listen to them the next time they come to me. Don't you get it that I mean they are no longer coming? How is it possible to listen to a people avoiding me for my questions they have no answer to? You should rather advise them to answer my questions whenever next they come if you yourself can't answer me here.

You people boast of 100℅ reliance on the Bible for your beliefs, but I have shown you explicit biblical references which stand clearly against some of your beliefs, but rather than show me other Bible verses to counter mine you are asking me to listen to a people that I have no hope of seeing.
Then why did I bring my questions here?

removetheturban:
When you meet a sincere or curious mind, the explanation becomes easy. Literally, JW do not attack or engage in debates It is not by force to hear our message. If one is unresponsive, we will leave that one alone.

But then here you are, in a public forum engaging in a debate. If you are already aware that certain people (apostates) are in a forum online and they bring reproach against your organization, is debating and arguing really the right thing to do? Will engaging with them bring honour or reproach on Gods name? What progress have you made so far with your continuous reply? Have they changed their view about us? These are questions you seriously need to consider.

removetheturban:
I only asked a question that required a simple Bible verse. Even if I didn't know it, I could easily search for it whereas it is a very popular Bible verse. There are many reasons for asking questions. I feel that Christians should quote from the Bible and not insinuate things from their own thoughts. Jehovah's Witnesses endeavour to make citations from the Bible at all times. It is appalling to read a whole chapter of criticism from you without a single scripture cited. I didn't consider that alright and I feel better that you are using your Bible now. I advise you to continue doing what you just did in this comment. It will make you a sound Christian.

In the other vein, it is an honour to refer you to the second of my questions. You went along denigrating the JW and forgot to answer it. What aspect of the Mormonic doctrines do you find most intriguing? Can you answer, please?

As per the bolded, I can see that you are plain dishonest and untruthful. How could you so accuse me when I quoted Mathew 7:5 in the very comment for which you accuse me of not citing any Bible verse? You have been dodging questions here and attacking persons instead. What sort of Christianity is that? And after throwing all the jibes you still ended up not addressing the very issue I raised and used that Mathew 7:15 as a backup up.
Are we supposed to be this dubious and evasive as Christians?

As per the issue of Mormonism; your question is another dishonest deviation from the original issue raised. You were asked whether the Mormons' house to house preaching mode also qualifies them as the only God approved organization since that is the criterion according to your organization. But rather than address the issue squarely, you tried to change the topic to "the most intriguing aspect of Mormonism". How is that related to the question he asked you? Why are you so evasive?

I really want you to find peace with yourself. The world is full of so much evil and inequity and we cannot help it. The Bible in
Philippians 4:6
New International Version
Do not be anxious about anything, but in every situation, by prayer and petition, with thanksgiving, present your requests to God.

I urge you to devote your time to things that are upbuilding and beneficial. Being in a vengeful spirit during productive hours in Nigeria is counted as a victory for the devil. Are you letting the devil get in your way?

Romans 14:19
New International Version
Let us therefore make every effort to do what leads to peace and to mutual edification.

Are you in a vengeful spirit on the second day after all that you did yesterday? Bro, it is a new day. After all said yesterday, give time for the spirit of God to permeate your mind.

Ecclesiastes 3:1 There is a time for ... every activity under the heavens:

Are you giving time to prioritize what matters most in your life?

https://tv.jw.org/#en/mediaitems/WebHomeSlider/pub-jwb_201802_1_VIDEO

The above is the JW video for the month of February. It gives us reminders as to how to use our time wisely.

Romans 12:19
Do not take revenge, my dear friends (Deadlytruth), but leave room for God's wrath, for it is written: "It is mine to avenge; I will repay," says the Lord.

Being vengeful means giving up your faith and trust in God and believing that you have the power to make the changes that you desire. Relax and be in good spirit, it is a new day.

Deadlytruth:


Your proverb above actually applies more to you as you are the ones who have chosen to stay low in envious bitterness of other Christians by always attacking them both in your publications and oral sermons.
Can you show me just one publication in which any other Christian denomination has ever attacked JW? You can't find one! So judge for yourself who has decided to remain low.

removetheturban:
Romans 12:19
Do not take revenge, my dear friends (Deadlytruth), but leave room for God's wrath, for it is written: "It is mine to avenge; I will repay," says the Lord.

Being vengeful means giving up your faith and trust in God and believing that you have the power to make the changes that you desire. Relax and be in good spirit, it is a new day.

Surprising!!! This is the same advice a young witness lady was given by a group of elders when she told them she wants to report to the police that she had been molested by an elder.

For those who dont know, Witnesses do not report child abuse cases to the police. They are told by their Governing body (8 old men in warwick) to handle such matter internally.

This has resulted in them ( The organization) losing numerous child abuse court cases.
Just make a quick search on google to see them.

If you become a Jehovah's witness today, and one of their members abuse or molest you.. the elders will warn you "Do not report to the police"!.

Then they will open their bible and read Romans 12:19 for you. If you do report to the police, they will disfellowship you.

The offender who is obviously mentally sick, will b disfellowshiped and then after a while brought back into the congregation.

What a nice Organization.

Deadlytruth:


I thought you said you were not at my beck and call? Oh I can see it only applies to the questions I raise about your doctrines.

Deadlytruth:


I thought you said you were not at my beck and call? Oh I can see it only applies to the questions I raise about your doctrines.

I'm not at your beck and call because I choose when to respond to you and how much time I spend doing so.

If this is how you speak with witnesses who visit you, I'm not shellshocked they stopped coming.

You are not asking questions to be informed. Be truthful to yourself. All I see is accusations, sarcasm and statements laced with untruth. Those who are asking to know, are not hard to spot.

You said we are being discouraged from engaging in personal study, which to me is the biggest boldfaced lie I've ever read here about us. My God!
When anyone who attends our meetings know how much we hammer on engaging in deep personal study? Bro, why? Do you have to go that far in your campaign against witnesses?
Those engaging you in discussions here are just wasting their time to be honest, me inclusive.

Jeremiah0nos:


But then here you are, in a public forum engaging in a debate. If you are already aware that certain people (apostates) are in a forum online and they bring reproach against your organization, is debating and arguing really the right thing to do? Will engaging with them bring honour or reproach on Gods name? What progress have you made so far with your continuous reply? Have they changed their view about us? These are questions you seriously need to consider.

Lmao! Apostates indeed.

please leave your fellow brother @removetheturban alone.

He is enjoying the debate despite his clown-like replies. I guess its not everything that the 8 old men in warwick say that he obeys.

nans24:


Surprising!!! This is the same advice a young witness lady was given by a group of elders when she told them she wants to report to the police that she had been molested by an elder.

For those who dont know, Witnesses do not report child abuse cases to the police. They are told by their Governing body (8 old men in warwick) to handle such matter internally.

This has resulted in them ( The organization) losing numerous child abuse court cases.
Just make a quick search on google to see them.

If you become a Jehovah's witness today, and one of their members abuse or molest you.. the elders will warn you "Do not report to the police"!.

Then they will open their bible and read Romans 12:19 for you. If you do report to the police, they will disfellowship you.

The offender who is obviously mentally sick, will b disfellowshiped and then after a while brought back into the congregation.

What a nice Organization.

Another fresh set of lies just to steer the public towards more hatred for witnesses. Its just laughable that someone who is abused who is supposed to be the victim, will then be disfellowshipped. Who does that?

Were you disfellowshipped for a wrongdoing, hence your grouse? Just be honest

DavidEsq:

Since u now admit that preaching work goes on in doz countries, the only issue u have is d supposed failure to establish a church in doz places, shebi? Well, I guess preaching being the crux of d means of spreading the gospel is the underlying ish. That being so, ur grouse is neither here nor there. This is because there are a whole lot of churches with just one building. No other branch anywhere. E.g SCAN, Word of life bible church (the Omo Jesus piece pastor), etc. Their failure to establish a branch in neighbouring cities which are very accommodating has no root in fear of losing their buildings to hostility.
Like I said b4, which I believe u failed to see, probably due to too much huffing and puffing, there is onland preaching in doz places o! Hear word o! Only that it is discreet o!

I never admitted that you preach in those countries. Read my post again. How can you boldly preach from house to house in countries where you are afraid of building kingdom halls? Don't you think the thing you are scared of will still get you especially when you go from house to house?

mitchyy:


Another fresh set of lies just to steer the public towards more hatred for witnesses. Its just laughable that someone who is abused who is supposed to be the victim, will then be disfellowshipped. Who does that?

Were you disfellowshipped for a wrongdoing, hence your grouse? Just be honest

Lies?! So you seriously dont know what is going on in your own organization?

You are not aware of the millions of dollars the watchtower society has paid to victims of abuse?

And you are not aware that the Australian royal commission invited one of the members of your governing body , questioning him on why they do not allow child abuse victims report to the police.

Am not surprised tho. So many witnesses dont know about the child abuse issues going on in their organization. Only the elders do. And they are told to keep their mouth shut.

I will not spoon feed you. Make a quick search on Google to enlighten yourself. And dont worry, the website that will enlighten you are not "apostate" sites. They are well known reputable news websites.

Cheers.