OnyeOGA:

no na from Lagoon.

lzaa

OnyeOGA:
no na from Lagoon. lzaa

imhotep:
I am from Oshogbo, near Ijebu Ode
cc onyeoga

imhotep:

T9ksy needs to embrace one Nigeria asap

LaudableXX:


Don't be silly. I grew up in Lagos, schooled in Lagos and have worked in Lagos for several years. I doubt if you know Lagos more than I do. So stop your silly posturing. And most of what you just said up here, is nothing but a bloody fat lie! Orile, Ijora, Ajegunle, Oshodi, Badia, and environs are NOT dominated by Yorubas, but by the Igbo.

Orile is one of the largest markets for building materials, furniture and fixtures in Lagos. Who are those that populate that area? Igbo. What does that area look like? A glorified slum. The largest number of tile sellers, bath & WC retailers, cement resellers, door importers etc, can be found in Orile. Ijora as well as Ajegunle are close to the Apapa seaport, and your people are the largest inhabitants of that densely populated axis. So stop saying what you do not know! What year did you arrive in Lagos, sef?

LaudableXX:


Sadly everyone can see that you are the one that is not making sense, on this thread. Go back and read up on the the build up, to the civil war. Your Oxford trained bearded general declared secession, seized federal govt assets in the Southeast, and refused to rescind his decision, even after a police action was declared to bring him back into line.

Several emissaries at home and abroad tried to get him to see reason, but he refused. He knew that his region lacked ammunition, men and materials to go to war, yet he refused to back down and this decision cost his people 3 million souls. After he declared secession, was he expecting the rest of the country to applaud him and give him a send off party, especially when he had seized federal govt assets in the SE region?

Secondly, what strange "factors of production located in a particular region through the handy work of the federal government over the years," are you talking about? Is it the sea port? Isn't there a seaport close to the SE region, like the Port-harcourt seaport? Port-harcourt seaport has been in operation long before the colonial masters left. Not too far from there is Onne sea port, which was established closer to the SE. In fact, Onne sea port which covers an area of 2,538.115 hectares was also added, several years ago. Are you talking about an airport? Hasn't there been an international airport in Port-harcourt for several years? Akanu Ibiam International Airport in Enugu also started receiving international flights a few years back.

The federal capital was moved from Lagos to Abuja in 1991, more than 27 years ago, but your people have not stopped trooping into Lagos till today. And that bring us back to the same question. Why can't they stay in their region and make a success of their endeavours?

If your region was so economically viable, with an active business environment like you said, and active construction or building projects, why do your young people still troop into other regions daily, trying to eke out a living? is it that they cannot take advantage of the economic viability in the SE region?

Nobody is disputing the fact that igbos are not found in other parts of the country, but the question still remains: Why? They can be found in areas that are not even economically viable, in different parts of this nation. So if your region is as fantastic and as economically viable as you claim, what is chasing them out of the place? Now, why would anyone leave a commercially vibrant region for a non-viable one?

Last but not the least, I never said that there was nobody in the Southeast. Try not to confuse me with someone else. Nobody has said that "there is any state in Nigeria apart from Southwest that the Yorubas are more active than the Igbos," so only goodness knows where you got that ideology from. Please try to think clearly before rushing to hit your keyboard next time. May God grant you understanding....

Purehuman:
So in your own wack theory, the police action wasn't a call for war but to pamper the igbos? This guy is really high seriously.

The Chinese that you find in all states in the federation, you mean those states are more economically viable than China? The igbos are only capitalising on the opportunity they find everywhere. In fact you will be amazed at the number of igbos you find Benue state and other states in the country. It's not the matter of Lagos, if you find an opportunity in Lagos, you go to Lagos and if you find in Kano, you go to Kano.

You cannot say people leave the east because there is no opportunity in the east. There are still people making money in the east everyday. So your postulation doesn't count at all.

Why did Chinese immigrants come to the US? First of all, they arrived in America looking to strike it rich with hopes of being to send money back to their poor families, or of returning to China after a few years with newly acquired wealth. Another reason is America served as a symbol of something higher than monetary prosperity. It represented the hope of freedom from intolerance based upon one's particular views. However, the most important reason for Chinese immigration was economic hardship due to the growing British dominance over China after Britain defeated China in the Opium War of 1839-1842. So, these are three reasons why the Chinese people came to the US.

In conclusion, three reasons why the Chinese immigrants wanted to come to the US because they were poor and they wanted to make more money to send back to their poor families. Most importantly, Chinese faced economic hardships in China.
http://www2.hawaii.edu/~sford/alternatv/s05/articles/leo_history.html

Purehuman:
If we go to these areas and we do head count, you will be sure that igbos are more? This Orile wey I know inside out? Orile wey I go secondary school? Abi eleyi o Mo on Orile.

My guy, you will just lose all your money if we bet seriously. Orile is majorly occupied by Yorubas, Bini's and igbos. The Yorubas are the majority because they are even the owners of the houses in that area.

This guy, I am going to teach you those areas and not you teaching me.

ibotic:
Imhotep is an afonja.....pretending to be Igbo unlike some those of us who are pure igbos...

LiberaDeus:
Please permit me to ask a question

Why are so many yorubas in Lagos? A very large percentage of the yoruba populace is resident in lagos, please why Lagos in the southwest? Why not Ilorin or Abeokuta? Am not saying that those places dont have strong yoruba populations but why does Lagos attract the most number of yorubas?

LaudableXX:


Re-ea-ally? Talk true!

imhotep:
My personal person.
Long time. Did you miss me

LaudableXX:


Go and do your research. Lagos is a city with Yoruba origins. Those of us who do not come from the Southwest, already know that. Try not to ask kindergarten questions next time......it is obvious you are just being mischievous or downright silly.

LiberaDeus:
You just jumped to answer without thinking deeply abt the question.

Let me draw a clear rough estimate of city populations

Why arent the yorubas concentrated in Ibadan? Why arent there 13 million yorubas living in Ilorin or Oshogbo or Ado-Ekiti?

Let me help you answer.

You guys concentrate in lagos because of the opportunities made available by;
- International deep seaport
-Federal capital status
-Billions of dollars in infrastructure invested in Lagos etc

Now get this into your head. If you guys can flock to Lagos in droves in this Federal Republic of Nigeria to take advantage of opportunities even though lagos is not your state of origin then there is no reason why Igbos or any other tribe wont do the same.

I asked you that question so you would ponder on the reason why some cities attract more investment and population than others but you didnt see the idea behind it and you were talking of lagos having yoruba origins. Doesnt Ilorin have yoruba origins or oshogbo and every other SW city. Why dont they boast of yoruba populations numbering above 10 million like lagos does.

Also for your claims of igbos not prospering without moving out, let me clear the points you raised there.
There is enough prosperity in the east in Onitsha, Aba , nnewi, Enugu etc. Without federal investment, billionaires of eastern origin have been groomed by the aforementioned towns and success still goes on there. If you had an inkling of understanding about business then you would know that business people always move to areas of lower investment saturation in their markets in order to expand new frontiers in their businesses.
Igbos even sell in south sudan and somalia, only a novice would think this is as a result of poverty back home. A lazy man wouldnt understand why a person would want to explore a business opportunity for selling electronics in South sudan, the lazy person would think you must be running from home but if only he would think then he would see and understand that markets do get saturated and moving to far flung areas is never a thing of shame but of adventure and expansion.

Igbos move to lagos because of the federal infrastructure and opportunities there and they do that like most nigerians do. Igbos also move to maidugiri and even the most underdeveloped LGAs in nigeria because they see things that other non business savvy individuals will never see there even the locals and with this business acumen, they continually exploit the full potentials of the SE, if the potential of the east is expanded by federal investment then igbos would take advantage of that.

How can you even ask why Yorubas are in Lagos? It is laughable.

How can an economically viable region, lack opportunities?

Purehuman:


So in your own wack theory, the police action wasn't a call for war but to pamper the igbos? This guy is really high seriously.

The Chinese that you find in all states in the federation, you mean those states are more economically viable than China? The igbos are only capitalising on the opportunity they find everywhere. In fact you will be amazed at the number of igbos you find Benue state and other states in the country. It's not the matter of Lagos, if you find an opportunity in Lagos, you go to Lagos and if you find in Kano, you go to Kano.

You cannot say people leave the east because there is no opportunity in the east. There are still people making money in the east everyday. So your postulation doesn't count at all.

LZAA:
Lagos Island was only the federal capital, and NOT the whole of Lagos state. Areas like Ikeja, Palmgrove, Ilupeju were parts of the old Western Region"

this my dear ppl is one of the benefits of blocking the study of history.
what sort of watery analysis is this
and btw who is d igbo person dragging lagos with you
if u don't want them there,don't sell ur family lands to them and u wee not see them
not after using the money to do owambe and buy gold then u come and start ranting.
i love how all u SW ppl keep shouting lagos whereas every other regions has two or three major states and capitals
keep shouting o
cc imhotep,onyeoga

imhotep:
Afonja want to sell their land and still own it

imhotep:

Afonja want to sell their land and still own it

LZAA:
Lagos Island was only the federal capital, and NOT the whole of Lagos state. Areas like Ikeja, Palmgrove, Ilupeju were parts of the old Western Region"

this my dear ppl is one of the benefits of blocking the study of history.
what sort of watery analysis is this
and btw who is d igbo person dragging lagos with you
if u don't want them there,don't sell ur family lands to them and u wee not see them
not after using the money to do owambe and buy gold then u come and start ranting.
i love how all u SW ppl keep shouting lagos whereas every other regions has two or three major states and capitals
keep shouting o
cc imhotep,onyeoga

ibotic:


Yes...you are right...Nonaira1 is just being mischievous.
Asaba and Onitsha are not Igbo land in the proper sense but we have plenty of our people there...you are free to build there but if Biafra comes, my only fear is that it will become abandoned property. Why don't you build in Anambra first

ariesbull:


Asaba and Onitsha are Hausa land...when you think you have seen it all ....then another props up

Okay they are not Igbo land....agreed the way Lagos is no man's land

Ikechuob:


Afonja get thee behind me demon!!!
Asaba belongs to your grandfather nkita ara.
Get thee behind me demon.
Get thee behind me.
May holy water pour square in your head

ibotic:


Why are you lying
We real igbos don’t deal with hateful afonjas like you...
With our five eastern states....
The sun will surely rise and set on us.
Chukwu okike abiama o

LaudableXX:


Your opening statement shows that you are bent on being mischievous. Lagos state has Yoruba origins, as well as an indigenous Yoruba population. Yes or No? The answer you give, will reveal if you are a cretin, or a practical objective observer.

Secondly, Yorubas were already indigenous to Lagos, right from pre-colonial times before the seaports, airports etc., were built. Yorubas already existed in Lagos, with some of their kith and kin spread across different areas, who came across to join them. Go back and read up the history of Lagos and its environs, as well as the different indigenous Yoruba groups (e.g. Aworis etc) that make up the state. So what is the issue? How can you even ask why Yorubas are in Lagos? It is laughable. It is like asking how can Igbos be in Onitsha or Aba?

Calabar was also once a federal capital. Even Lokoja was once the capital of the British Northern Nigeria Protectorate, and later became a centre of administration, for the British colonial government after the amalgamation. What is the population of Igbo people in Lokoja, compared to their population in Lagos?

Lagos Island was only the federal capital, and NOT the whole of Lagos state. Areas like Ikeja, Palmgrove, Ilupeju were parts of the old Western Region. Yet it did not stop your people from migrating into that part of the old Western region. Lagos stopped being a federal capital 27 years ago, but your Igbo people still keep flocking into Lagos every single day, till date. So stop trying to use that excuse of 'federal capital.' Your people also trooped into Port-harcourt en masse. Port-harcourt was not a federal capital, even though it had an international seaport, an international airport as well as lots of infrastructure invested in it.

While going up and down, your people keep claiming their SE region is economically viable. But why would anyone leave an economically viable region? And if you claim that they migrate because they want new opportunities, are you admitting that there is a lack of opportunities for your people in the SE region? It then becomes a paradox. How can an economically viable region, lack opportunities?

Laziness is really not a reason for lack of migration. And you need to stop thinking that 'buying and selling,' is the only type of business or hard work, that exists. There are people who invent things and solve problems that cause them to earn millions, without leaving their zones.

If there is enough prosperity in the SE region, how come your people still end up leaving that 'prosperity,' and going to other regions to seek opportunities? Again, can a truly prosperous area, lack opportunities? And are these new opportunities your people seek, totally absent from their region, or is your region of prosperity and potentials devoid of opportunities, that can make your people truly successful? You really need to stop contradicting yourself....

Ikechuob:


Afonja get thee behind me demon!!!
Asaba belongs to your grandfather nkita ara.
Get thee behind me demon.
Get thee behind me.
May holy water pour square in your head

LiberaDeus:


You still cant get the meaning of the opening question. No one argues that yorubas are indigenous to lagos, same with Ilorin and Ado Ekiti. Why dont these places have the same population as lagos. You yorubas migrated in droves in the 60s down to the present time to lagos to join other indigenous yorubas in lagos. So please tell me why the migration occurred, is it because you guys just wanted to be at the coast line or just felt like migrating?
You migrated because of opportunities created by the former FCT, why are you surprised that others joined you? In Abuja here, there are hundreds of thousands if not millions of yorubas here, why did they migrate here, why arent they in Kebbi state?

Cant you see that migratory patterns can be defined by the amount of federal investment in a place, i can bet you that if lagos was never the federal capital and it was always abuja or somewhere else that you yorubas would still flock there in droves.

Why arent you in your LGA, why dont you reside there?so millions of you can seek greener pasture in a federal capital and you think others shouldnt follow suit. Because lagos is in the SW, you guys now want to make it look like you have everything you always needed at home and you are so affluent that you dont need migration, if that is the case why didnt you stay back in your state and LGA?

I know you might be the typical yoruba that has never travelled out of the SW, so let me explain some facts for you
Yorubas are numerous in Abuja
Yorubas are numerous in Kaduna
Yorubas are numerous in Akwa Ibom
Yorubas are numerous in Warri
Yorubas are also in Benin
Yorubas are also in Kano
Yorubas drive taxis across the federation, also engage in crafts like automobile repairs and welding etc

If yorubas can do all the aforementioned across the federation, how much more igbos who have these skills and are also blessed with a business acumen and a culture that passes it down from generation to generation. I can confidently tell you that yorubas are in every state of the federation and igbos have a greater reason to be in those states and to have greater numbers because businesses by their nature involve expansion to new boundaries.

As you talked about buying and selling, i laughed because Igbos are into all sorts of businesses. The indigenous manufacturers of aba never ever have to step out of their boundaries, people patronize them by going there. The manufacturers of nnewi never have to step out of their boundaries, Innoson started in nnewi and his manufacturing plant is till cited there, same with Ibeto and other nnewi manufacturers.

Tell me the form of business we aint into; real estate, manufacturing, retail, importation, ICT, services etc. Just think of one industry that igbos dont have representatives in
And even your logic of innovation from one place will still involve expansion, am in the ICT industry and i know what am saying.

If you use Mark Zuckerberg as an example, i will ask you sth, doesnt facebook have an international presence? are there no facebook offices and datacenters in europe?
Doesnt microsoft have an international presence like facebook and even google and every major tech giant. Why dont you tell Uber to stay in germany and not expand to africa since germany should have everything. Am sure with your own logic, Uber left germany because germany is not viable. You cant see how foolish and contradictory that is, you cant just accept the fact that once a market has been conquered that the next thing is to find others.

How dare you now tell your fellow country man not to move about in his own country when yorubas are everywhere doing petty trade and crafts then igbos shouldnt carry their businesses and crafts elsewhere.

As for you claims about Lokoja and calabar, Lagos enjoyed more investments than those places, and those places were capitals of either Northern or southern nigeria protectorate. Lagos was nigerias first capital and nigeria as a united entity generated more revenue than the 2 protectorates combined.

Your question about my people leaving that region is pointless.
I have explained the concepts of market saturation and you dont still grasp it. I can tell you that there is prosperity in the SE but that can never be enough for the teeming number of youths and their ambitions. The people in the SE will not and have never been satisfied with just being salary earners and menial workers(not that we dont have those).

Thats why a crisis of non salary payment from SE state govs do not cripple our economy. Osun states crisis sent most people back to the farm, i can personally tell you that the lack of salary payment in kwara has turned the economic outlook there very sour.

Seasterners will never put themselves in that position. Every wise nigerian youth should know that entreprenurship is the key out of poverty, we understand that and we exploit that fact to our advantage thats why we spread and thats why newcomers into eastern markets are encouraged to look for less saturated markets outside the east and even the country. This fact doesnt mean that there isnt prosperity in the SE, it actually means the opposite.

LaudableXX:


Go and do the head count and come back and share the results. Paste it here, so we can read and verify. For you to make this assertion about Orile, it shows you are being economical with the truth, or just taking refuge in lies. Na una way be dat!

LiberaDeus:


Please permit me to ask a question

Why are so many yorubas in Lagos? A very large percentage of the yoruba populace is resident in lagos, please why Lagos in the southwest? Why not Ilorin or Abeokuta? Am not saying that those places dont have strong yoruba populations but why does Lagos attract the most number of yorubas?