Interest rates goes up ,the bears appear
Interest rates goes down,the bulls appear
Its not gambling biko...nwayo nwayo...chelu nwantiti[patience]....you will make your money

Otherwise,

Bulls make money,bears make money,PIGS GET SLAUGHTERED

RealityShot:
This thread is better than a novel!
Been catching up from page 3443 since morning.

One thing is clear. Stock trading is gambling.

With due respect, but it is unfortunate that you have wasted your time reading all these while. You may as well call all investors and those that are managing all the companies/industries in the Nigeria Stock Exchange gamblers or Baba Ijebu. Thereafter you can refer to the New York Stock Exchange and all exchange in the world as Gambling Plaza.

The truth be told, investing in the stock exchange means that you become a shareholder of a holding entity/company. Think of being a shareholder in Nestle, Unilever, Zenith etc. The NSE will remain a gambling site for you if you do not know what you are doing.

kolaish:
With due respect, but it is unfortunate that you have wasted your time reading all these while. You may as well call all investors and those that are managing all the companies/industries in the Nigeria Stock Exchange gamblers or Baba Ijebu. Thereafter you can refer to the New York Stock Exchange and all exchange in the world as Gambling Plaza.

The truth be told, investing in the stock exchange means that you become a shareholder of a holding entity/company. Think of being a shareholder in Nestle, Unilever, Zenith etc. The NSE will remain a gambling site for you if you do not know what you are doing.

The exchange is there to accommodate all sorts of approaches. You can chose to approach it as a game table, it is allowed, your money never get rejected and your motive never questioned. Only ensure you watch your back like a hawk...

Zenith bank release Q1 2018 result - here are key takeaways - http://nigerianstockstobuy.com/zenith-bank-first-quarter-financial-result/#more-578

A report on Seplat

https://www.proshareng.com/news/STOCK%20&%20ANALYST%20UPDATES/Seplat-Plc-FY-2017-Results-Review--Higher-Production-Volumes-to-Drive-Top-Line-Growth/39576

kolaish:
With due respect, but it is unfortunate that you have wasted your time reading all these while. You may as well call all investors and those that are managing all the companies/industries in the Nigeria Stock Exchange gamblers or Baba Ijebu. Thereafter you can refer to the New York Stock Exchange and all exchange in the world as Gambling Plaza.

The truth be told, investing in the stock exchange means that you become a shareholder of a holding entity/company. Think of being a shareholder in Nestle, Unilever, Zenith etc. The NSE will remain a gambling site for you if you do not know what you are doing.

Wow!
Great write up.

NOW go back and read my post again: this time please use a dictionary, it will help you.

Life itself is a gamble. You choose wife or husband, na gamble, cos you no sabi who no dey fertile. You choose where to work na gamble cos you no know which one go first sack you. Farming sef na gamble; ask nosa2�

emmanuelewumi:

Not gambling. Treasury Bills people think stock market is a casino

Kai.. Boss, you too? I comment my reserve because it's you.

RealityShot:

Kai.. Boss, you too?
I comment my reserve because it's you.

Well you did not highlight TRADING

Calebbold:


I disagree with you bro. If you understand and follow the rules, it could be a gold mine.

oya state the rules in Stock trading.

Agbalowomeri:
Well you did not highlight TRADING

Hmm...
I dont think I spoke about anything else there.

RealityShot:

Hmm...
I dont think I spoke about anything else there.

Even at that it is not gambling. Those who trade with TA have a system. I doubt if gambling has one

kolaish:
With due respect, but it is unfortunate that you have wasted your time reading all these while. You may as well call all investors and those that are managing all the companies/industries in the Nigeria Stock Exchange gamblers or Baba Ijebu. Thereafter you can refer to the New York Stock Exchange and all exchange in the world as Gambling Plaza.

The truth be told, investing in the stock exchange means that you become a shareholder of a holding entity/company. Think of being a shareholder in Nestle, Unilever, Zenith etc. The NSE will remain a gambling site for you if you do not know what you are doing.

If only we could all show some respect for each other. It was possible for you to respond to his gambling claim without the disrespect.
Give your opinion on what you think of the stock market....... straight to the point..... And an healthy discussion ensues.

We have had too much animosity these past few days and I think we all should just calm down. Show respect, love and thoughtfulness towards others. Esteem others better,wiser and smarter than you are..... It doesn't diminish you. That way, we have mutual respect for each other.

Agbalowomeri:
Even at that it is not gambling. Those who trade with TA have a system. I doubt if gambling has one

OK.
Let's agree to disagree.
Thank you.

Gambling can assume different meanings. In a way, we all gamble but not the act of playing games to win money.
We all take a risk, because of uncertainty, hoping to get a desired result. When you take educated guesses during a multiple choice answer exam, it's a gamble. When you choose to follow Ikorodu road instead of Third Mainland bridge in order to avoid traffic, it's still a gamble.
That said, acquiring a stake in a company with the hope that the company performs well is not clear-cut gambling.
But wait o, buying FTN Cocoa now and hoping it will rise 'one day' might be textbook gambling. So I think the basis and risk level should be a factor.

TLAX:


One other thing i observed was that the CEO, Segun, answered all the question be it Strategy, Finance, Risk Management etc. Other CEOs usually refer such questions to their CFO or CRO and act as quasi-moderators. To me it demonstrated that the guy has a grip on every facet of the business and understand the business and revenue flows.

When it comes to someone who has good grasp of every detail about its business- give it to Segun. He is always on top of his game. The minus about him is that he is too risk averse. Very very selective in the kind of business he gives credit too..Nevertheless, he is a great CEO building a Great bank...

gamaliel9:
Interest rates goes up ,the bears appear
Interest rates goes down,the bulls appear
Its not gambling biko...nwayo nwayo...chelu nwantiti[patience]....you will make your money

Otherwise,

Bulls make money,bears make money,PIGS GET SLAUGHTERED

Only PIGS dull like buhari get slaughtered.....

IchimokuPilot:


The exchange is there to accommodate all sorts of approaches. You can chose to approach it as a game table, it is allowed, your money never get rejected and your motive never questioned. Only ensure you watch your back like a hawk...

The best response....Correct guy

If trading stocks is gambling then everything that involves buying and selling is equally a gamble..


Had to go and dig this out. @RealityShot please read this

A share of common stock is ownership in a company. It entitles the holder to a claim on assets as well as a fraction of the profits that the company generates. Too often, investors think of shares as simply a trading vehicle, and they forget that stock represents the ownership of a company.


In the stock market, investors are constantly trying to assess the profit that will be left over for shareholders. This is why stock prices fluctuate. The outlook for business conditions is always changing, and so are the future earnings of a company.

Assessing the value of a company isn't an easy practice. There are so many variables involved that the short-term price movements appear to be random (academics call this the Random Walk Theory); however, over the long term, a company is supposed to be worth the present value of the profits it will make. In the short term, a company can survive without profits because of the expectations of future earnings, but no company can fool investors forever—eventually, a company's stock price can be expected to show the true value of the firm.

Gambling, on the contrary, is a zero-sum game. It merely takes money from a loser and gives it to a winner. No value is ever created. By investing, we increase the overall wealth of an economy. As companies compete, they increase productivity and develop products that can make our lives better. Don't confuse investing and creating wealth with gambling's zero-sum game.

I think only seasonal traders see stock market as a gambling field because na “try your luck” they come to do each time and when they gt burnt the story is always bitter.. A real investor will not call trading “gambling”

Make we free Realityshot small nauw.

As long as we are not the one running the company we buy its share, na gambling o.
Even Peter Lynch agreed.

pluto09:
Make we free Realityshot small nauw.

As long as we are not the one running the company we buy its share, na gambling o.
Even Peter Lynch agreed.

when one is sure of corporate governance,bonus and dividend,it is an investment and if not sure of all these,i will say its gambling.I invested in zenith for returns and invested in japaul for baba ijebu returns.
Note:Gambling stocks gives quick money than the other.

The One Man Who Could Send Oil To
$100
By Cyril Widdershoven - Apr 19, 2018, 6:00 PM CDT
The future of North Africa’s leading oil and gas producer Libya is once again under threat.
International media reports that Libya’s strongman General Khalifa Haftar, leader of the LNA,
the largest and strongest military power in the country, has had a stroke. Libyan and Arab
news sites stumble over each other predicting the death or incapacitation of the Libyan military
strongman, which would without doubt increase internal instability and could lead to a
renewed power struggle in eastern Libya.
Political initiatives led by several Arab countries, the UN, U.S. and EU, are to all intense and
purposes null and void at present, as without clarity about the power of the LNA these deals
may well fall apart. A potential removal of Haftar from the delicate balance of power that has
been created in Libya will also put anti-IS and Al Qaeda military operations in doubt.
The first signs of upheaval following the news of Hafar’s stroke are already apparent, with the
LNA’s second-in-command, Abdelrazak Al Nadhuri, surviving a car bomb in Libya’s eastern
city of Benghazi on Wednesday. The LNA reported that Al Nadhuri "escaped unharmed from a
terrorist assassination attempt after a car bomb exploded... as his convoy passed" the Sidi
Khalifa district at the eastern entrance to Benghazi. A Syrian and Sudanese national were
caught in the explosion.
The attack came directly after the first press statements that Haftar had been hit by a stroke or
was in coma. While Haftar has been largely out of the public eye in the last few weeks, French
officials have reiterated that he is health and that he received a medical treatment in Paris.
Related: The Bullish And Bearish Case For Oil
The possible removal of Haftar will lead not only to unrest in his powerbase, the Eastern
Region of Libya, but will likely cause instability within the LNA itself as the military strongman
has not officially appointed any successor or second-in-command. A possible succession
battle may take place between three potential successors that are reported to be waiting for
their own chance to gain power.
Haftar's sons, Khaled and Saddam, each heading their own powerful and well-equipped
brigades in the LNA, are slated to be first-in-line. Haftar’s closest ally and cousin Oun Furjani,
could also be vying for power. Some sources within the LNA also have stated that General
Abdussalam al-Hasi, who is commander of special operations, could play a significant role.
Haftar will also be missed the upcoming military operations by the LNA, which is backed by
Egypt, the UAE, and Russia, and the still existing Western Libya based Libyan government,
which is supported by the EU and UN. In the south of Libya, Daesh and Al Qaeda are still
powers to be reckoned with, while under the radar an old Libyan power player has emerged
again. Saif Ghadaffi, son of the former Libyan dictator, has entered the political fray and has
openly stated that he will be running for office in the next elections. Despite his father being
forcibly removed from office, Saif Ghadaffi seems to be enjoying support in wide regions of
Libya. Some groups have already stated that Saif could be the only politician with the power to
reunite Libya and bring back stability and prosperity.

NAIRAMETRICS HAS AN ANSWER TO GAMBLING AND VALUE STOCKS.

The Nigerian Stock Exchange (NSE) All Share Index (ASI) in the past few weeks has been bearish. Year to date gains have
since dropped to 6.6% from January’s high of 15.95%.
Investors have however increasingly shifted their focus to smaller cap stocks. In Wednesday’s trading session, Jaiz Bank
was the top gainer as it appreciated by 10%. Learn Africa was last week’s top gainer, up 18.56%. Prior to that, LASACO
Assurance emerged as the top gainer, up 21.2%. For the week ended 13th April, Wema Bank was the 2nd best gainer, up
32% and topped only by GSK Consumer (which has been in the news due to its payment of a special dividend).
And what about Thursday’s trading session? The top 8 in descending order were Oando, Courtville, Eterna, Fidson, Wema
Bank, Sovereign Insurance and Hallmark Insurance and Equity Assurance. Apart from Oando, these are all small cap
stocks with limited upsides in the medium to long term.
These stocks are often referred to as Jump in Jump Out “JIJO” stocks and are typically bull traps that we like to avoid by
all means. Despite the risks inherent in JIJO stocks, investors still find them very attractive and flock towards them at
the slightest sign of a bull run.
Characteristics of JIJO stocks
Huge returns –
Just likePonzi schemes (not saying they are Ponzis) JIJO stocks have the incredible knack of returning huge returns in
the short term. From experience, they can return as high as 120% over a period of two months before receding.
Don’t rely on Fundamentals
Also, they need not have strong fundamentals to attract investors. JIJO stocks, more often than not, do not pay
dividends, are not up to date with results and sometimes, are perpetually loss making. Nevertheless, investors flock to
them like fleas.
Lowly priced
– JIJO stocks are also lowly priced, giving investors an impression that they are cheap;whereas the stocks are often
regarded as being cheap when their price earnings ratio and price to book ratios are well below industry average or
trading below their perceived intrinsic value. For most investors who love JIJO stocks, a stock with a share price of
50kobo can get you 200,000 units with just N100,000.
When they move, they gallop – Because of their low costs, the prices can rise rapidly as you don’t need so much in
terms of market capitalisation to acquire enough volumes that can turnover. Share prices rise or fall when volumes
turnover via transactions.
Very Risky – In a bull trap, stocks that have been declining in price suddenly start climbing. This spike is temporary
however and is usually followed by a sharp and sustained decline in price. In fact, when the price starts dropping, you
hardly see anyone looking to buy.
How to benefit from this
Some experienced investors that we have spoken to explained that they take short-term positions in such stocks
because of the lucrative returns and the adrenalin rush of trading high risk equities. They enter the stocks currently
bubbling and exit at 15-20% after a few days. Cheap transaction fees mean that a round trip (a buy and sell transaction)
would only cost a maximum of 3.2%.
Most of them told us that they set an exit target and when they hit it, they bail out. “Those who get trapped here often
do so either because they are greedy, or are not paying attention to market trends” one trader who declined to be named
explained to Nairametrics.
Newbies should be cautious
We do not like trading JIJO stocks and avoid them.Trading in such stocks is like engaging in a Ponzi scheme; the first
movers are typically the ones who make the most money, while those who come in at the tail end of the ride, typically
lose out. You really have to be trading stocks for a living and have a knack for high-speed adrenalin pumping trade.
Retail investors, who have returned to the market following last year’s stellar performance, should be cautious. They
would be best served if they stuck to blue chips and mid-cap stocks with fundamentals.

locodemy:


when one is sure of corporate governance,bonus and dividend,it is an investment and if not sure of all these,i will say its gambling.I invested in zenith for returns and invested in japaul for baba ijebu returns.
Note:Gambling stocks gives quick money than the other.

I like this guy!
Confirm!

Yayira:
If trading stocks is gambling then everything that involves buying and selling is equally a gamble..


Had to go and dig this out. @RealityShot please read this

A share of common stock is ownership in a company. It entitles the holder to a claim on assets as well as a fraction of the profits that the company generates. Too often, investors think of shares as simply a trading vehicle, and they forget that stock represents the ownership of a company.


In the stock market, investors are constantly trying to assess the profit that will be left over for shareholders. This is why stock prices fluctuate. The outlook for business conditions is always changing, and so are the future earnings of a company.

Assessing the value of a company isn't an easy practice. There are so many variables involved that the short-term price movements appear to be random (academics call this the Random Walk Theory); however, over the long term, a company is supposed to be worth the present value of the profits it will make. In the short term, a company can survive without profits because of the expectations of future earnings, but no company can fool investors forever—eventually, a company's stock price can be expected to show the true value of the firm.

Gambling, on the contrary, is a zero-sum game. It merely takes money from a loser and gives it to a winner. No value is ever created. By investing, we increase the overall wealth of an economy. As companies compete, they increase productivity and develop products that can make our lives better. Don't confuse investing and creating wealth with gambling's zero-sum game.

That is not what I wrote about.

locodemy:


oga.it seems you really had a bad experience on most stocks at NSE in the past.
Has the auditors of oando said any good thing about the company yet people are making cool money from the stock.
Whether you believe or not,Japaul will give people cool cash despite any negative news.I am here to make my own cash and put speed on my feet.Na me go come run the company for them?Na those milo people go carry the kaya for head.

Bad experience? Not quite. Started my working life as an external auditor with Price Waterhouse (PW). So I know red flags. I also learn how to review company strategy and see how it gives them a competitive edge. As much as possible, i read annual reports (now listen to conference calls).

I see buying shares as OWNERSHIP of a company. There are some companies I don't want to associate with. It does not matter how much money people are making there, if it does not meet my investment philosophy I stay away.

People made a lot of money from Forum, Umana Umana, NOSPETCO, MMM etc! You will never find me near them.

There are plenty avenues to make money but not all of them fits my investment philosophy.

NOTE: I don't make a BUY or SELL recommendation. I provide some insight and allow you to make your call. There are many reasons why people may decide to BUY or SELL so I don't interfere with their decision.

All the best as you make MONEY with JAPAUL

Agbalowomeri:
Life itself is a gamble. You choose wife or husband, na gamble, cos you no sabi who no dey fertile. You choose where to work na gamble cos you no know which one go first sack you. Farming sef na gamble; ask nosa2�

There is a difference between risk and gamble. Life na risk not gamble. Farming no be gamble

Going All-In: Comparing Investing And Gambling By Stephan Abraham

https://www.investopedia.com/articles/basics/09/compare-investing-gambling.asp

Another view.

nosa2:


There is a difference between risk and gamble. Life na risk not gamble. Farming no be gamble

A dictionary definition of gambling;
A RISKY action taken with the hope of a success

Pls when is Mr. Bull coming. That is all I want to know, not all this gambling argument that does not make any difference. #stopthedistraction

nosa2:


There is a difference between risk and gamble. Life na risk not gamble. Farming no be gamble

Poultry no be farming? I trained 100 broilers for consumption at my backyard.Lo and behold few survive .If this one na stock trade,i don loose be that o...................Gambling men..........pastor veecovee is also gambling.