Anas09:

Everything must be done with knowledge. I didn't know anything about redemption. Why Jesus' body was broken, why his blood was shed. What communion represents.

All these must be done with understanding or they'll be done in futility.

Ubenedictus:
were you not taught all these or you just forgot to listen

Ubenedictus:
were you not taught all these or you just forgot to listen

Zither:


Don't waste your time trying to cram explanation into the head of someone that is already stuffed with his ridiculous notions and perceptions of Christianity. It just won't fit in try as you may. You're better off teaching a donkey idiomatic expressions. It will be time well spent compared to this.

Anas09:

I was 13 or 14 thereabout when i began dreaming of Rapture. I was a little Catholic girl too.

Mine was like immediately the Rapture takes place as the earth breaks open, Fire balls falling from the sky with everyone running with no where to hide. The surface of water covered with fire. People filing like a roll call was being made.

At one point, i was in the queue, but when it got to my turn, i was turn back. I cried so hard i couldn't breath, i woke up drenched with sweat and tears in my eyes.

These dreams kept coming to me, and every time it does, i wake up drained of energy as a result of running. sweating and crying in my dreams. I had no one to talk to back then as i didn't even know what it was i was dreaming.

In Catholic, we were taught Purgatory, not Rapture. I knew when we died, we shall wait somewhere to atone for our sins if we didn't live well on earth, but Rapture?

One day, i told my mother who knew so little about stuff like that at that time, She just shrugged and said, 'I think something like that is in the Bible'.

I was left with a yearning, a deep vacuum inside of me. I was looking for something but didn't really know what it was until i found Christ.

Oh The Peace. The fulfillment. The satisfaction. No one can describe it to another person.

Again, while this was happening, i got baptized. I took my first communion. I went for confession to take my second communion, i was sitting right inside the Church as people were filing for Communion, i heard this calm but firm voice saying 'Don't take it a again, it's not right'. I knew immediately what it meant. I turned to see if someone spoke to me, but communion period is a solemn period which no one talks to anyone.

When my turn came, i didn't go out. That was the end i took communion, but kept going to church.

It's well. God has His own and at the appointed time, He'll pull them out.

May we not be left Behind.

MiddleDimension:


a section of the apostle's creed reads: ''i believe in the reaurection of the dead and life of the world to come''. so i dont know where you got the idea they dont teach rapture.

the article of faith regarding life ever lasting is so important to the catholics that every 1st november is celebrated as feast of all saints. which other church does that, including your now 'bible believing'?

obinna58:

Stick to your religious delusion and stop using religious affairs to disturb people's peace

obinna58:


Passing religious backward beliefs to the public is enough to disturb other people's peace

trapQ:
Pls can you and your jobless fold stop stalking Christians on Christian threads?

Anas09:

Everything must be done with knowledge. I didn't know anything about redemption. Why Jesus' body was broken, why his blood was shed. What communion represents.

All these must be done with understanding or they'll be done in futility.

Ubenedictus:



since you asked me what is redemption, the synthesis is that we owed a debt we couldn't pay so God gave us his son to pay the price he didn't owe and by his death he freed us from sin death and hell and by his resurrection gave us victory over the devil.
this is redemption in easy terms
http://www.saintaquinas.com/what_is_the_redemption.html


as a Catholic you should have been taught that and even more, the catechism present it from different angles





"He died for our sins in accordance with the Scriptures"

601 The Scriptures had foretold this divine plan of salvation
through the putting to death of "the righteous one, my Servant" as a mystery of universal redemption, that is, as the ransom that would free men from the slavery of sin. 397 Citing a confession of faith that he himself had "received", St. Paul professes that "Christ died for our sins in accordance with the scriptures."
In particular Jesus' redemptive death fulfills Isaiah's prophecy
of the suffering Servant. 399 Indeed Jesus himself explained the meaning of his life and death in the light of God's suffering
Servant. 400 After his Resurrection he gave this interpretation of the Scriptures to the disciples at Emmaus, and then to the apostles.

"For our sake God made him to be sin"

602 Consequently, St. Peter can formulate the apostolic faith in the divine plan of salvation in this way: "You were ransomed
from the futile ways inherited from your fathers. . . with the
precious blood of Christ, like that of a lamb without blemish or
spot. He was destined before the foundation of the world but
was made manifest at the end of the times for your sake." 402
Man's sins, following on original sin, are punishable by
death. 403 By sending his own Son in the form of a slave, in the form of a fallen humanity, on account of sin, God "made him to be sin who knew no sin, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God." 404
603 Jesus did not experience reprobation as if he himself had
sinned. 405 But in the redeeming love that always united him to
the Father, he assumed us in the state of our waywardness of
sin, to the point that he could say in our name from the cross:
"My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?" 406 Having thus
established him in solidarity with us sinners, God "did not spare his own Son but gave him up for us all", so that we might be "reconciled to God by the death of his Son". 407

God takes the initiative of universal redeeming love
604 By giving up his own Son for our sins, God manifests that
his plan for us is one of benevolent love, prior to any merit on
our part: "In this is love, not that we loved God but that he loved
us and sent his Son to be the expiation for our sins." 408 God
"shows his love for us in that while we were yet sinners Christ
died for us."409
605 At the end of the parable of the lost sheep Jesus recalled
that God's love excludes no one: "So it is not the will of your
Father who is in heaven that one of these little ones should
perish." 410 He affirms that he came "to give his life as a ransom for many"; this last term is not restrictive, but contrasts the
whole of humanity with the unique person of the redeemer who
hands himself over to save us. 411 The Church, following the
apostles, teaches that Christ died for all men without exception:
"There is not, never has been, and never will be a single human
being for whom Christ did not suffer."412
III. CHRIST OFFERED HIMSELF TO HIS FATHER FOR OUR SINS
Christ's whole life is an offering to the Father
606 The Son of God, who came down "from heaven, not to do
[his] own will, but the will of him who sent [him]", 413 said on
coming into the world, "Lo, I have come to do your will, O God."
"And by that will we have been sanctified through the offering of
the body of Jesus Christ once for all."414 From the first moment
of his Incarnation the Son embraces the Father's plan of divine
salvation in his redemptive mission: "My food is to do the will of
him who sent me, and to accomplish his work." 415 The sacrifice
of Jesus "for the sins of the whole world" 416 expresses his
loving communion with the Father. "The Father loves me,
because I lay down my life", said the Lord, "[for] I do as the
Father has commanded me, so that the world may know that I
love the Father." 417
607 The desire to emrace his Father's plan of redeeming love
inspired Jesus' whole life, for his redemptive passion was the
very reason for his Incarnation. And so he asked, "And what
shall
I say? 'Father, save me from this hour'? No, for this
purpose I have come to this hour." 419 And again, "Shall I not
drink the cup which the Father has given me?" 420 From the
cross, just before "It is finished", he said, "I thirst." 421
"The Lamb who takes away the sin of the world"
60 After agreeing to baptize him along with the sinners, John
the Baptist looked at Jesus and pointed him out as the "Lamb of
God, who takes away the sin of the wÀrld". 422 By doing so, he
reveals that Jesus is at the same time the suffering Servant who
silently allows himself to be led to the slaughter and who bears
the sin of the multitudes, and also the Paschal Lamb, the symbol
of Israel's redemption at the first Passover. 423 Christ's whole
life expresses his mission: "to serve, and to give his life as a
ransom for many." 424
Jesus freely embraced the Father's redeeming love
609 By embracing in his human heart the Father's love for men,
Jesus "loved them to the end", for "greater love has no man than
this, that a man lay down his life for his friends." 425 In
suffering and death his humanity became the free and perfect
instrument of his divine love which desires the salvation of
men. 426 Indeed, out of love for his Father and for men, whom
the Father wants to stve, Jesus freely accepted his Passion and
death: "No one takes [my life] from me, but I lay it down of my
own accord." 427 Hence the sovereign freedom of God's Son as
he went out to his death. 428
At the Last Supper Jesus anticipated the free offering of his life
610 Jesus gave the supreme expression of his free offering of
himself at the meal shared with the twelve Apostles "on the night
he was betrayed". 429 On the eve of his Passion, while still free,
Jesus transformed this Last Supper with the apostles into the
memorial of his voluntary offering to the Father for the
salvation of men: "This is my body which is given for you." "This
is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for
the forgiveness of sins." 430
611 The Eucharist that Christ institutes at that moment will be
the memorial of his sacrifice. 431 Jesus includes the apostles in
his own offering and bids them perpetuate it. 432 By doing so,
the Lord institutes his apostles as priests of the New Covenant:
"For their sakes I sanctify myself, so that they also may be
sanctified in truth." 433
The agony at Gethsemani
612 The cup of the New Covenant, which Jesus anticipated
when he offered himself at the Last Supper, is afterwards
accepted by him from his Father's hands in his agony in the
garden at Gethsemani, 434 making himself "obedient unto death".
Jesus prays: "My Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from
me. . ." 435 Thus he expresses the horror that death represented
for his human nature. Like ours, his human nature is destined
for eternal life; but unlike ours, it is perfectly exempt from sin,
the cause of death. 436 Above all, his human nature has been
assumed by the divine person of the "Author of life", the "Living
One". 437 By accepting in his human will that the Father's will be
done, he accepts his death as redemptive, for "he himself bore
our sins in his body on the tree." 438
Christ's death is the unique and definitive sacrifice
613 Christ's death is both the Paschal sacrifice that
accomplishes the definitive redemption of men, through "the
Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world", 439 and the
sacrifice of the New Covenant , which restores man to
communion with God by reconciling him to God through the
"blood of the covenant, which was poured out for many for the
forgiveness of sins". 440
614 This sacrifice of Christ is unique; it completes and
surpasses all other sacrifices. 441 First, it is a gift from God the
Father himself, for the Father handed his Son over to sinners in
order to reconcile us with himself. At the same time it is the
offering of the Son of God made man, who in freedom and love
offered his life to his Father through the Holy Spirit in
reparation for our disobedience. 442
Jesus substitutes his obedience for our disobedience
615 "For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners,
so by one man's obedience many will be made righteous." 443 By
his obedience unto death, Jesus accomplished the substitution
of the suffering Servant, who "makes himself an offering for
sin ", when "he bore the sin of many", and who "shall make many
to be accounted righteous", for "he shall bear their
iniquities". 444 Jesus atoned for our faults and made
satisfaction for our sins to the Father. 445
Jesus consummates his sacrifice on the cross
616 It is love "to the end" 446 that confers on Christ's sacrifice
its value as redemption and reparation, as atonement and
satisfaction. He knew and loved us all when he offered his
life. 447 Now "the love of Christ controls us, because we are
convinced that one has died for all; therefore all have died." 448
No man, not even the holiest, was ever able to take on himself
the sins of all men and offer himself as a sacrifice for all. The
existence in Christ of the divine person of the Son, who at once
surpasses and embraces all human persons, and constitutes
himself as the Head of all mankind, makes possible his
redemptive sacrifice for all.
617 The Council of Trent emphasizes the unique character of
Christ's sacrifice as "the source of eternal salvation" 449 and
teaches that "his most holy Passion on the wood of the cross
merited justification for us."

catechism of the Catholic church.

the bread is broken as a symbol of Christ death for Jesus said this is my body broken for you, it is shared as koinonia, as fellowship of the church with Christ.

trapQ:
This is the religious section. Atheism is not a religion.
You're the one disturbing us with your foolishness as you shouldn't be in the religious section the forest place.

trapQ:
Pls can you and your jobless fold stop stalking Christians on Christian threads?

obinna58:

YOU'RE actually right but you guys need to learn and get freed from religious delusion

obinna58:

YOU'RE actually right but you guys need to learn and get freed from religious delusion

obinna58:

No we're here to help

MiddleDimension:


a section of the apostle's creed reads: ''i believe in the reaurection of the dead and life of the world to come''. so i dont know where you got the idea they dont teach rapture.

the article of faith regarding life ever lasting is so important to the catholics that every 1st november is celebrated as feast of all saints. which other church does that, including your now 'bible believing'?

UbiPetrus:

This goes on to confirm my earlier post.
She was taught but never truly understood.

UbiPetrus:

This goes on to confirm my earlier post.
She was taught but never truly understood.

obinna58:

YOU'RE actually right but you guys need to learn and get freed from religious delusion

Anas09:

Why are you concerned with our delusions? Is it your delusion?

Mind your depression.

trapQ:
It's not of your business. Go teach your fellow atheists more on the big bang and how you evolved from a fish.

Anas09:

Why are you concerned with our delusions? Is it your delusion?

Mind your depression.

ogbright:
Today I had a terrible dream about rapture, it happened. But it was not the way Bible told the story. It was like a war front, hunger everywhere, fear everywhere, people where missing, houses burned down.

I saw a very big provision company when I went out in search of food, it represents Satan, you have to agree to their terms and conditions after which you pack provisions as many as you wished. I didn't care about their condition, I just needed the provision. I took as many as I can because my children are starving at home.

On my way back, I saw what looks like a church, its represents Christ, people inside it were putting on white garment. I joined d que when I requested what it was, they told me it was where raptures soul should be like they where giving people second chance. When it got to my point I cried they should slow me bring my kids but they declined and told me it was heavenly race that I shouldn't bother about them. I was prayed for and delivered and instantly, the pack of provision in my hand disappeared.

I joined them, I was given white garment which I put on and rubber hair style was given me I immediately. I could see a woman I know that attends watchman, she was their with her kids, her name is Mma Ebuka. I cried my eyes out, I was mourning and wailing this is because I have failed my kids. I prayed for a second chance before I woke up.

I woke up drenched in my own sweat like some one high fever and my heart beat throbbing like a drum, for a menuite, I didn't know what to say but I just prayed for God's grace to remember the dream. I'm still confused about the message. God help me.

obinna58:

people with delusions have lot of negative impact on the society which is why they need to get freed in order to think clearly

Anas09:

But i am now being taught and i understand. What suddenly changed?


My dear, until you see light, you'd think the darkness you are is light.

Fela said, 'If you stay for darkness long enough, you go begin see'.

Come to the light and see the difference.

UbiPetrus:
Thanks for your invitation. But I'm not in the dark.

Anas09:

You didn't tell me why i didn't understand these things as a Catholic, but do now.

UbiPetrus:
You claimed you weren't taught. So, what's there to tell?

UbiPetrus:
Thanks for your invitation. But I'm not in the dark.