ceejaynnaji:

Don't be naive most of the quacks here can't pass those board exams in foreign contries .we have typhoid and malaria specialist here as doctors

This is not right. Lol
While some cant pass but there is an equal number that pass as well. I worked in a small city in Canada about 2 years ago. Out if the 20 docs in that small remote city, if i remember clearly, there were 13 Nigerian docs out of 20. The 13 include an husband and wife najia doc sef. Most if not all had previously practiced in Ireland or the UK though. They must have passed the exams in both countries.

amagugm:

Again, see youur problem - always nosing into other people's matter - you are now angry that nurses do internship. All these nonsense won't do you any good. The nurses in question have been to the university and spent 5 years studying. You spend 6 years for MBBS, pharmacists spend 5 years - here you are hurting that nurses are given internship. Doctor, direct your anger appropriately at the government that is not treating health care workers as many other countries' government do. Stop hating, allow others to hrow in their own field and don't feel because you are a doctor non doctors should be your slaves

nice one

kazyhm:


lol.......first and foremost, you sounds do inferior and insecure....

if truly performance is not about certificate as you
afirmed, why the equality agitation in the first place ?
CEO cares about there workers and more importantly about the performance of their organization which is why i will sack any mentally insecure worker before he ruin the reputation of what i built with my bone and blood

Black man problems can't be solve/cure because of entitlement seeking specie like you...........

fools do first what the wise do last........

Inferior to who? You are just exhibiting the typical NIGERIANISM that we Nigerians are known for. You don't want to show performance but wants to be entitled. Self entitlement is the reason why we still in this quagmire. HNDs/Techs/B.Sc/Engrs/Doctors/BAs can't come up with solutions to the problems eroding the system. You are here telling us about disparities and how you can't be a CEO because you don't and can never think like one. CEOs care about their returns and a lasting brand. Only those who can make meaningful impacts are needed on board and not those who feel because they have HNDS, BSC and can't even come up with practical solutions to problems ravaging them

DABMarkNig2019:

we don't admit patients but of course we consult, counsel, order for lab tests, scanning, order for X-RAY but importantly within our areas of competence.
I thought Nigerian Dr's will never accept collaboration which is the global norm with the pharmacists but I'm shocked of late seeing lots of them running to our pharmacy for collaboration and referrals. Sit there let foolish ego kill you. Dr's are always making noise with empty pockets and bank accounts. its not only in Nigeria that pharmacists are richer than Dr's but the world over.
look at the sorry state of our hospitals courtesy of the doctors who has been managing them for the past 3 decades. Lobatan

Anyone can be richer than anyone anywhere in the world. Even Dangote is richer than Buhari, Osinbajo and Saraki together.

That is however not the bone of contention here, the issue here is that you probably think Pharmacist are paid higher than doctors even abroad.

I have no problem with even my gate man being richer than me, as long as he isn't intruding in my profession. Infact if he likes he can goan do yahoo plus, that's his fvck img headache, but when he starts to do the work of a doctor, that's where problem will come.

The consultation of a pharmacist isn't to make diagnosis, it is to assist the doctor in making the optimum drug selection in a px that has "already been diagnosed" by a doctor.

But in naija, this man just said pharmacists now consult patients, order X-rays, make diagnosis etc...so what's d need for a doctor then?

Everyone trying so hard to be little the relevance of doctors in the society.

Only a country like Nigeria can emerge victorious in the quest.

DABMarkNig2019:

even the medical doctors are doing that already...We have sound clinical pharmacists on ground that ensures that everything works fine. mind you it's not outside our job descriptions...The most important thing is that the patients trust us and are getting value for the money they paid for. The business is sweetest now that hospitals are on strike.

So a 30 year old man presents to your pharmacy with Cough, Fever and Abdominal Pain, how will you manage such px?

I'll like to learn something new today, you know medicine is very dynamic...

portable4real:


Ok.. .Thank you...

It was just approved in Sept 2016...And even with that, there is difficulty in getting placement as most hospital are not placing advert for Nursig Intern.. .
It is part of What JOHESU strike is all about...
And even with that Graduate of Nursing eligible for Internship were placed on CONHESS 7 as oppose other Intern.. .

And some are here saying why Degree in Nursing and what is Internship for....

Nurses do internship, clinicals, research etc overseas. It's all for the benefit of the patient.

Pharmacists also precribe, diagnose and treat minor common ailments.

Nurse practitioners too can prescribe, diagnose and treat minor common ailments. A former landlady of mine works for Health Canada, she regularly travel to remote Northern parts of Canada where they have short supply of docs to take care of patients.

Docs are in short supply in a lot of developed countries. This allows allied health workers to take on extra training so that they can venture into areas they would not normally go into.

When I worked as a security guard in a children hospital some years back, the head of the Provincial Health Service (simlar to the Lagos Health Service) was a Nurse. Of course there were Nigerian docs and Nurses in the hospital. I am sure they left their johesu vs nma wahala behind from wherever they came from. Lol

All professions are important.

Akexstinger:


Inferior to who? You are just exhibiting the typical NIGERIANISM that we Nigerians are known for. You don't want to show performance but wants to be entitled. Self entitlement is the reason why we still in this quagmire. HNDs/Techs/B.Sc/Engrs/Doctors/BAs can't come up with solutions to the problems eroding the system. You are here telling us about disparities and how you can't be a CEO because you don't and can never think like one. CEOs care about their returns and a lasting brand. Only those who can make meaningful impacts are needed on board and not those who feel because they have HNDS, BSC and can't even come up with practical solutions to problems ravaging them

just read and re-read what you typed, you'll realized you didn't say anything per say. same as your first mention however, here is the last chance to say something meaningful but plz dont quote me if you're still on the same mental frequency while you re typing this and the former while you're composing the next points

Happy sunday

SmallmebigGod:

Your humanitarian doctors are being paid higher than the doctors in their home countries, with full life insurance and other benefits. I am sure you will cooperate more with the 'humanitarian doctors' because by then they will be the one stating their terms and conditions of service

Bwahahahaha! Tell them jarey.

And oyinbo man no understand ng.bati ngb.ati...na pay as you go, once the money stop laidis, engine go knock straight...

Chai I just can't wait for 2025 to come oh, I go dey UK dey observe Naija from there.

The laugh go too sweet meen...Hmmm! !!

mediclife1987:


We'll gladly pay the bond of 15years and do rubbish, by the time we kill enough patients, nobody will tell them to let us go.

Remember what happened to Pharaoh? We'll intentionally kill you all so that you'll free us by force. You think to work in Nigeria is by force?

Rubbish!

it's by force since we are paying ur tuition fees ...ur are our investment and subject to our wills ....u are free to self train ur self in a private university or abroad

ahiboilandgas:
it's by force since we are paying ur tuition fees ...ur are our investment and subject to our wills ....u are free to self train ur self in a private university or abroad

When we intentionally kill you all, you'll realize you have no will power to force someone to work for you...

Delivar:

All you said above is because you feel there is another country you can run to. Therefore as someone with "common sense" you shouldn't bother yourself trying to fight the ugly situation in your country. All you stated above is the reason why this country will not advance. People prefer to abandon the country and leave it for the incompetent ones to run down. What if there is no country to run to what exactly will you do? How exactly do you expect things to change for good when people like you with the "common sense" to fight and change the situation are taking an exit? You want to have a fantastic country but you are not willing to fight for it. As long as you all keep running away then dont expect anything good from your country. You have to blame yourself too for the terrible state of affairs in your country because you chose to run rather than fighting for change. Don't blame the "incompetent" ones alone. Blame yourself too.

You can preach and sermonize all you want, it still won't change the fact that no one is obliged to sacrifice their own right to a chance at happiness for anybody else's sake, especially when you can't even offer any evidence that the sacrifice won't have been in vain.

Do you know how many members of my immediate family made the mistake of swallowing the sort of rubbish you're peddling here, and returned from privately funded medical studies abroad to serve their sh*thole of a country? Every single one of them ended up regretting it in the end, with their sacrifices not acknowledged in the slightest, and their ability to influence things for the better nonexistent. Naturally, they've all relocated back abroad, where they are doing well in countries where education and talent mean something: these are places where nobody has to waste time on empty "patriotic" sermons like yours, because the incentives in place encourage people to do the right thing without prompting.

Let me tell you a fable which might get the message across better. One upon a time, 50 people were on a bus, when one of them noticed that the vehicle was rapidly heading for a ravine. He repeatedly cried out that the driver needed to stop, but neither the driver nor the other passengers would listen; instead, the rest of the passengers were arguing over who would get to sit next to the driver, who would have a window seat, and other such petty irrelevancies. Having failed to persuade anyone else of the imminent danger they were in, our passenger now started shouting that he would jump out the window, at which point the others started to accuse him of "lacking faith" in the driver's skills, of not being a "team player", and of being "selfish" in wanting to live while the rest of them died - even though none of them wanted to actually lift a finger to prevent the mass death they were facing! Our passenger jumped, broke a few bones, but lived to tell the tale, while his heedless companions went over the hill under the leadership of the driver they'd placed so much faith in. The funny thing, though, is that even as these shortsighted bus-passengers rapidly descended to the fiery doom, the focus of their anger was not on the driver who caused the agonizing death they were about to face, but on the individual who had the cheek to "selfishly" escape the common fate they were about to share!

You are the equivalent of those passengers on the bus who reserve their lectures for the passenger who eventually jumped and lived, while having nothing to say to those really to blame, namely themselves and their blind "faith" in the careless driver they hero-worshipped. Keep on with the empty moralizing and preachifying, and see where it gets you in the end: meanwhile Nigeria's professionals will continue to emigrate to countries where their efforts are appreciated and properly rewarded, and where the land of their birth will become nothing more than a means to scare their children into behaving properly: "do your homework or I will send you to live in Nigeria!"

salford1:

This is not right. Lol
While some cant pass but there is an equal number that pass as well. I worked in a small city in Canada about 2 years ago. Out if the 20 docs in that small remote city, if i remember clearly, there were 13 Nigerian docs out of 20. The 13 include an husband and wife najia doc sef. Most if not all had previously practiced in Ireland or the UK though. They must have passed the exams in both countries.

Why are you helping them out of their ignorance? They'll only perceive you as emotionally needy na...

Let them console themselves, thay way they won't goan block those of us remaining that want to port. It's better they continue to underestimate us, so the gate can be easily passed.

Cos some people are already voicing for bonds with Medical students now oh...and d Buhari I know is a tyrant who can do anything.

Please just let them say...

omohayek:

You can preach and sermonize all you want, it still won't change the fact that no one is obliged to sacrifice their own right to a chance at happiness for anybody else's sake, especially when you can't even offer any evidence that the sacrifice won't have been in vain.

Do you know how many members of my immediate family made the mistake of swallowing the sort of rubbish you're peddling here, and returned from privately funded medical studies abroad to serve their sh*thole of a country? Every single one of them ended up regretting it in the end, with their sacrifices not acknowledged in the slightest, and their ability to influence things for the better nonexistent. Naturally, they've all relocated back abroad, where they are doing well in countries where education and talent mean something: these are places where nobody has to waste time on empty "patriotic" sermons like yours, because the incentives in place encourage people to do the right thing without prompting.

Let me tell you a fable which might get the message across better. One upon a time, 50 people were on a bus, when one of them noticed that the vehicle was rapidly heading for a ravine. He repeatedly cried out that the driver needed to stop, but neither the driver nor the other passengers would listen; instead, the rest of the passengers were arguing over who would get to sit next to the driver, who would have a window seat, and other such petty irrelevancies. Having failed to persuade anyone else of the imminent danger they were in, our passenger now started shouting that he would jump out the window, at which point the others started to accuse him of "lacking faith" in the driver's skills, of not being a "team player", and of being "selfish" in wanting to live while the rest of them died - even though none of them wanted to actually lift a finger to prevent the mass death they were facing! Our passenger jumped, broke a few bones, but lived to tell the tale, while his heedless companions went over the hill under the leadership of the driver they'd placed so much faith in. The funny thing, though, is that even as these shortsighted bus-passengers rapidly descended to the fiery doom, the focus of their anger was not on the driver who caused the agonizing death they were about to face, but on the individual who had the cheek to "selfishly" escape the common fate they were about to share!

You are the equivalent of those passengers on the bus who reserve their lectures for the passenger who eventually jumped and lived, while having nothing to say to those really to blame, namely themselves and their blind "faith" in the careless driver they hero-worshipped. Keep on with the empty moralizing and preachifying, and see where it gets you in the end: meanwhile Nigeria's professionals will continue to emigrate to countries where their efforts are appreciated and properly rewarded, and where the land of their birth will become nothing more than a means to scare their children into behaving properly: "do your homework or I will send you to live in Nigeria!"

A billion like for you brother!

You too gbasky meen!!!

kazyhm:


just read and re-read what you typed, you'll realized you didn't say anything per say. same as your first mention however, here is the last chance to say something meaningful but plz dont quote me if you're still on the same mental frequency while you re typing this and the former while you're composing the next points

Happy sunday

I will quote you and still say the same thing because you don't make sense at all. You think you can just come to any thread and derail it with your typical and myopic naija argument when you are still in the same shit. #Kpians

Akexstinger:

I will quote you and still say the same thing because you don't make sense at all. You think you can just come to any thread and derail it with your typical and myopic naija argument when you are still in the same shit. #Kpians

okay bro.......goan be quoting......

you want to be saying the same thing over and over again ? i'm sure a lazy guy in that regard

i didn't make any sense at all because it takes brain to find sense

i'm derailing the thread.........that a prove of.......my first mention was not written by you.....so i can relate

Typical myopic Naija argument with a chinese is so wrong...........please accept my SIMPATY

mediclife1987:


Are you aware over a 100 consultants were scooped by Saudi alone this January?

Are you aware that atleast 12 Nigerian trained doctor migrates every week to the UK to practice?

Are you aware over 5000 Nigerian trained doctors are currently practicing in the UK?

Are you aware over 500 Nigerians applied for the Plab 1 exams in Nigeria about 2years ago and the number almost doubled (over 800) last year?

So you think doctors will write PLAB on their forehead so that you'll be convinced they're writing it ba?

My dear, don't even mind everything I wrote up there jarey, it's just rubbish meant to scare you.

It deserves to be thrown into the dustbin jarey....

stop spewing thrash for the public to see.
You're always talking about Dr's leaving Nigeria but I want to ask you...is it only medical doctors that are leaving Nigeria? Nurses are even in higher demands abroad than doctors. coming to the pharmacists it's on record that there are about 45k registered pharmacists on the council's register but barely 21k pharmacist are on ground practicing in the country. what do you think happened to the other 24k pharmacists? I guess you know the answer.
You people should stop hyping empty nonsense.

omohayek:

You can preach and sermonize all you want, it still won't change the fact that no one is obliged to sacrifice their own right to a chance at happiness for anybody else's sake, especially when you can't even offer any evidence that the sacrifice won't have been in vain.

Do you know how many members of my immediate family made the mistake of swallowing the sort of rubbish you're peddling here, and returned from privately funded medical studies abroad to serve their sh*thole of a country? Every single one of them ended up regretting it in the end, with their sacrifices not acknowledged in the slightest, and their ability to influence things for the better nonexistent. Naturally, they've all relocated back abroad, where they are doing well in countries where education and talent mean something: these are places where nobody has to waste time on empty "patriotic" sermons like yours, because the incentives in place encourage people to do the right thing without prompting.

Let me tell you a fable which might get the message across better. One upon a time, 50 people were on a bus, when one of them noticed that the vehicle was rapidly heading for a ravine. He repeatedly cried out that the driver needed to stop, but neither the driver nor the other passengers would listen; instead, the rest of the passengers were arguing over who would get to sit next to the driver, who would have a window seat, and other such petty irrelevancies. Having failed to persuade anyone else of the imminent danger they were in, our passenger now started shouting that he would jump out the window, at which point the others started to accuse him of "lacking faith" in the driver's skills, of not being a "team player", and of being "selfish" in wanting to live while the rest of them died - even though none of them wanted to actually lift a finger to prevent the mass death they were facing! Our passenger jumped, broke a few bones, but lived to tell the tale, while his heedless companions went over the hill under the leadership of the driver they'd placed so much faith in. The funny thing, though, is that even as these shortsighted bus-passengers rapidly descended to the fiery doom, the focus of their anger was not on the driver who caused the agonizing death they were about to face, but on the individual who had the cheek to "selfishly" escape the common fate they were about to share!

You are the equivalent of those passengers on the bus who reserve their lectures for the passenger who eventually jumped and lived, while having nothing to say to those really to blame, namely themselves and their blind "faith" in the careless driver they hero-worshipped. Keep on with the empty moralizing and preachifying, and see where it gets you in the end: meanwhile Nigeria's professionals will continue to emigrate to countries where their efforts are appreciated and properly rewarded, and where the land of their birth will become nothing more than a means to scare their children into behaving properly: "do your homework or I will send you to live in Nigeria!"

If you have decided to run away then you should NEVER complain about the terrible state of affairs in Nigeria. You have absolutely no right to condemn the country because you are contributing zero effort in changing the bad situation. Do you think the leaders are the only ones who should change the country? It is the duty of every citizen to change their country. If citizens are complaining of bad leadership and they are taking no serious actions to fight the rot in the system then they are also responsible for the ugly situation of country and they deserve the rubbish they get from the government and you should NEVER complain. I hope I wouldn't find you anywhere on Nairaland complaining about the country anymore.

Finally I have a question to ask you which you can use to figure out whose position between us is right.
What if everyone has the mindset and the will I have to fight against the mismanagement of the country and not running away do you think the country would be in the situation it is today?

DABMarkNig2019:

stop spewing thrash for the public to see.
You're always talking about Dr's leaving Nigeria but I want to ask you...is it only medical doctors that are leaving Nigeria? Nurses are even in higher demands abroad than doctors. coming to the pharmacists it's on record that there are about 45k registered pharmacists on the council's register but barely 21k pharmacist are on ground practicing in the country. what do you think happened to the other 24k pharmacists? I guess you know the answer.
You people should stop hyping empty nonsense.

That's why I said I'm just saying nonsense now, you know I was trying to reply your response about PLAB or USMLE not being easy for Naija docs to pass but as I said it's just rubbish don't mind me jarey.

They keep on saying doctors are in higher demand in the western world yet medical graduate from those countries are battling to pass the qualifying exams given by the MDCN.
why are they flocking home if is that worst back here?
what an irony.

ahiboilandgas:
it's by force since we are paying ur tuition fees ...ur are our investment and subject to our wills ....u are free to self train ur self in a private university or abroad

Following this logic everybody who goes to a public institution will be chained down for the same duration if not longer.

It has to go around. Doesn't it.

armadeo:



Following this logic everybody who goes to a public institution will be chained down for the same duration if not longer.

It has to go around. Doesn't it.

they not disturbing govt will unending and greedy strike like been a doctor is a favor to Nigeria ...million of tuition free Nigerian graduate are working in the civil service earning 50 k other are in the army dieing for Nigeria for 120 k per month ...greedy tuition free doctors ranting on how much doctors are paid in Canada.....ok how much is police been paid in Canada....if they all behave like silly wack Nigerian doctor ...they arm robber for don finish all the doctors

mediclife1987:


A billion like for you brother!

You too gbasky meen!!!

pls go remember to send the dollars home we need that we have enough manpower to become doctor if u leave thousand will replace u .....we have 1.5 m student writing jamb yearly

Infact doctor are free to migrate just remember to send dollars home ....we have enough student writing jamb 1.5 million yearly to fill up vacant space...we want to be exporting doctors after crude oil not a bad idea

ahiboilandgas:
pls go remember to send the dollars home we need that we have enough manpower to become doctor if u leave thousand will replace u .....we have 1.5 m student writing jamb yearly

Yesso, the 1.5million that'll all gain admission to study medicine, infact all of them will pass and all of them will sit back and practice in naija to serve their useless & ungrateful people because it is "humanitarian" to do so.

Those already writing the exams from their 200&300 Level will fail the exams or car go jam them join and they will never make it out alive cos they want to suffer in naija.

Carry on jarey, you dey make sense wella, your head they there brother...

mediclife1987:


So a 30 year old man presents to your pharmacy with Cough, Fever and Abdominal Pain, how will you manage such px?

I'll like to learn something new today, you know medicine is very dynamic...

is that what you are been taught in the so called medical school?
I'm well advanced than that as a pharmacist...i know my onion.

mediclife1987:


Anyone can be richer than anyone anywhere in the world. Even Dangote is richer than Buhari, Osinbajo and Saraki together.

That is however not the bone of contention here, the issue here is that you probably think Pharmacist are paid higher than doctors even abroad.

I have no problem with even my gate man being richer than me, as long as he isn't intruding in my profession. Infact if he likes he can goan do yahoo plus, that's his fvck img headache, but when he starts to do the work of a doctor, that's where problem will come.

The consultation of a pharmacist isn't to make diagnosis, it is to assist the doctor in making the optimum drug selection in a px that has "already been diagnosed" by a doctor.

But in naija, this man just said pharmacists now consult patients, order X-rays, make diagnosis etc...so what's d need for a doctor then?

Everyone trying so hard to be little the relevance of doctors in the society.

Only a country like Nigeria can emerge victorious in the quest.

read and digest well... naija Dr's need to change the way they think
seriously no need for the drs. All those things i said we do are still at the primary level of health care... It's time the drs and government recognised pharmacists as primarily health providers

mediclife1987:


Yesso, the 1.5million that'll all gain admission to study medicine, infact all of them will pass and all of them will sit back and practice in naija to serve their useless & ungrateful people because it is "humanitarian" to do so.

Those already writing the exams from their 200&300 Level will fail the exams or car go jam them join and they will never make it out alive cos they want to suffer in naija.

Carry on jarey, you dey make sense wella, your head they there brother...

over 50000 science student can get in

Doctors please go abroad. You've made too many mistakes with people's lives. Migrate abroad and leave us in peace


Affordable rent, Festac axis. PM me for more details

DABMarkNig2019:

even the medical doctors are doing that already...We have sound clinical pharmacists on ground that ensures that everything works fine. mind you it's not outside our job descriptions...The most important thing is that the patients trust us and are getting value for the money they paid for. The business is sweetest now that hospitals are on strike.

I asked you a question and you pretended to not see it.

Anway, going by your recent replies on this thread I think I have my answer.

Have a nice day

Beautiful, and to you and your fellow doctore, once the pay of JOHESU members are allowed to remain far far below your own, the problem is over. Nonsense.
Swallow your stupid pride, team up with JOHESU and demand that the government rise up and equitably remunerate health care professionals rather than this misplaced aggression you are flaunting.
Just imagine yourselves, if government accedes to the demands of JOHESU by increasing their salary as they did for doctors you will go on strike. Selfishness. Behaving like spoilt kids. Spits

Johesu will become more divided after this strike.

greyham:


I asked you a question and you pretended to not see it.

Anway, going by your recent replies on this thread I think I have my answer.

Have a nice day

I'm a busy guy who doesn't have time for crab. I just closed from work now and of course i attended to my patients