achorladey:


Atleast you could have made research on "gathering together". For your information this is what our master and leader Matthew 23:10 say concerning gathering

Matthew 18:20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name , there am I in the midst of them.

The only thing I want you to do is........explain exhaustively how such gathering needs approval from an "Organization" or "Jehovah's Organization" as it were.

As a reminder the head of the congregation is who JESUS CHRIST. Peter admits he is the overseer and shepherd of our souls 1 Peter 2:25. I have full confidence in such shepherd not those that are prone to error and mistake.

Au revoir

achorladey:


I am glad I have nothing against you as a person and all your post sent to me were properly addressesed by me.

In fulfilling the law of the christ you and I believed and agree that law of the christ is superior in all areas of life as recently taught.

If the law of christ is indeed superior, why then do the elders in the organization you subscribed to have a law book in which judicial decisions are based?

Why do the organization you subscribe to keep account of sins knowing fully well that Jehovah and Jesus abhor such doing.

I dont expect any reply from you. Feel free to adress it to the overseers of your soul in the congregation you attend currently.


Au revoir. Its a pleasure!!!!

achorladey
do you believe Christian then have same line of thought and mind despite some minor difference that should not divide us?

Stop exposing your lack of knowledge , the highlighted just proved you don't know what you are saying nor doing . swinging left and right


, but that you may be COMPLETELY united in the same mind - 1 Corinthians 1:10

When you know the meaning of completely, you will retract your words

achorladey
As a reminder the head of the congregation is who JESUS CHRIST. Peter admits he is the overseer and shepherd of our souls 1 Peter 2:25. I have full confidence in such shepherd not those that are prone to error and mistake.

Barristter07:




Rebellious spirit, Clearly not the mindset of mature Christian's Jesus through Apostle Paul sent this admonition:


Hebrews 13:17
Be obedient to those taking the lead [Whom are also imperfect ] among you and be submissive



Return home to those who will under the direction of Jesus , " keep watch over your souls " for Salvation . Hebrew 13:17

Barristter07:




Rebellious spirit, Clearly not the mindset of mature Christian's Jesus through Apostle Paul sent this admonition:


Hebrews 13:17
Be obedient to those taking the lead [Whom are also imperfect ] among you and be submissive



Return home to those who will under the direction of Jesus , " keep watch over your souls " for Salvation . Hebrew 13:17

Riofidelio:
Satan got them right where he wanted! Each one of them wants to be regarded as a worshipper of the same God but TOTALLY independent in thoughts and ideas,there shouldn't be any query regardless of whatever they choose to do,even sacred services could be of different theories! Certainly demons have taken control of most people in this time of the end.How then can people live together in peace in the absence of specific divine guidance? How can people distinguish between right and wrong to separate the truth from demonic worships? How can Christians from all land be united against Satan who is causing wars amongst mankind? How are we going to distinguish Christians from worshippers of various ancient deities. Truly Satan is a genius in disorder!

Barristter07:




it's no longer about organization because you now know you are deceiving yourself and check the records of those pressing your remote control with all this ideas . Many of them no longer believed in God , Jesus or the Bible . Your case is sorry

, Your boat has now shifted to How Shepherds should protect the flock , Young man do you have any problem with Scriptural admonition : Remove the wicked person from your midst ?

Barristter07:




it's no longer about organization because you now know you are deceiving yourself and check the records of those pressing your remote control with all this ideas . Many of them no longer believed in God , Jesus or the Bible . Your case is sorry

, Your boat has now shifted to How Shepherds should protect the flock , Young man do you have any problem with Scriptural admonition : Remove the wicked person from your midst ?

Barristter07:

achorladey




you are trying too hard , Did anyone deny Christ is the Leader ?



If you apply this scripture to Meeting together, recognize that God dislikes disorderliness as well .


Note the bold , in my name , what does it involve ? That's the question you should ask yourself.

Two or three people with different ideologies cannot just cannot just come together and say Jesus is in their midst , He doesn't want disorderliness.

Jesus want his disciples to be completely united in faith, " I make request, not concerning these only, but also concerning those putting faith in me through their word ,... that they may all BE ONE " John 17:21 , so those gathering together either one or two must be one . So you can't escape it .





Ignorance of the scriptures .

Do the various congregation in the first century function independently of one another , Or recognize the leading of the apostles and Older men in Jerusalem ? Answer this question (Question P7)



Bookmarked. If you don't listen to those who take the lead, You can't listen to Jesus , stop deceiving yourself this man .

The Older men appointed in each congregation have fulfilled the criteria spelled out in the scriptures and they are to be obeyed as directed by the Head of the Christian congregation through Paul.


Rebellious attitude Paul warned against At Hebrews 13:17 . am sure those talked about in that scriptures are not perfect men , are they ? Are they to be obeyed as directed by Heb 13:17 ? Did Paul said they will be perfect men ? Check yourself , And you will see rebellion. Am glad you exposed your true color yourself .

Barristter07:

achorladey




you are trying too hard , Did anyone deny Christ is the Leader ?



If you apply this scripture to Meeting together, recognize that God dislikes disorderliness as well .


Note the bold , in my name , what does it involve ? That's the question you should ask yourself.

Two or three people with different ideologies cannot just cannot just come together and say Jesus is in their midst , He doesn't want disorderliness.

Jesus want his disciples to be completely united in faith, " I make request, not concerning these only, but also concerning those putting faith in me through their word ,... that they may all BE ONE " John 17:21 , so those gathering together either one or two must be one . So you can't escape it .





Ignorance of the scriptures .

Do the various congregation in the first century function independently of one another , Or recognize the leading of the apostles and Older men in Jerusalem ? Answer this question (Question P7)



Bookmarked. If you don't listen to those who take the lead, You can't listen to Jesus , stop deceiving yourself this man .

The Older men appointed in each congregation have fulfilled the criteria spelled out in the scriptures and they are to be obeyed as directed by the Head of the Christian congregation through Paul.


Rebellious attitude Paul warned against At Hebrews 13:17 . am sure those talked about in that scriptures are not perfect men , are they ? Are they to be obeyed as directed by Heb 13:17 ? Did Paul said they will be perfect men ? Check yourself , And you will see rebellion. Am glad you exposed your true color yourself .

Riofidelio:
"Differences between Christians and Jehovah's witnesses" Christ is the head of everyman,He grouped His followers in two "Apostles and disciples",Apostles are the ones He uses to dispense spiritual food to all other disciples,He deals DIRECTLY with the Apostles,while these ones became His mouthpiece before all other disciples,in a case where a disciple chooses to deal DIRECTLY with Jesus such a person is trying to ignore the protocol set by Jesus Himself. Whatever Peter and the other eleven binds on Earth (as a governing body)will be bind in heaven and whatever they loose on Earth will be loose in heaven. Let's take a break and think for a moment, was Jesus saying Peter can bind and loose what is obvious to the layman's sight? Of course not because He adds "Will be... in heaven" meaning some may object but heavens have stamped it! And Jesus wasn't referring to ONLY Peter otherwise Paul couldn't have the impetus to correct Peter,so what did Jesus meant? Whenever the twelve are together whatever their conclusion as a body is binding on all Christians far and near. One of them may err as a person but the body as a whole has Jesus' backing and whoever challenges their decision is NO more a Christian! Today the Catholic Church supposed to be in that position but because the body(Vatican) was built around the political status of Roman Empire,most decisions were to boost the prowess of the emperor and Pope in Rome so they lost the privilege. This opened the way for other religious bodies to sprout referred to as the protestants down to our time until a small group that merits that position surfaced and Jesus in spirit as the King of God's Kingdom once again gave them that position. But most people are now used to Protestantism not realising that Jesus is not interested in contradictions. They felt anybody can hear Jesus directly and form his/her own Church so demons seized that opportunity to establish different religions all claiming Christians,this individuals do hear voices telling them to do something but instead of questioning such voices to know why there are other religious groups having different opinions pride and ego makes them feel they're simply special! That's is why honesthearted persons needs to IDENTIFY that ONE and ONLY group that Jesus is using to direct His earthly subjects today! So while Satan is promoting confusion with different religious bodies God's earthly organization is helping sincere ones to congregate together under one Lord (Jesus Christ) who is the fine shepherd.

Barristter07:




Rebellious spirit, Clearly not the mindset of mature Christian's Jesus through Apostle Paul sent this admonition:


Hebrews 13:17
Be obedient to those taking the lead [Whom are also imperfect ] among you and be submissive



Return home to those who will under the direction of Jesus , " keep watch over your souls " for Salvation . Hebrew 13:17

Saybal:
Leave these people alone you are always attacking them what are you fighting for I hope you know that u cannot help God go and form your own movement if you like I Learn u are an ex member.go and preach like the Jw t least we discusses meaniful thing for an hour every Saturday they are harmless not the way u are portraying them I have not gain anything from ur comment my personal observation

At least you agree you have leaders now.
How did they know Jesus Christ directed them to keep watch over your souls?

How did Jesus Christ direct them to keep watch over your souls?

Did they tell you that Jesus Christ directed them to keep watch over your souls?

Did your self appointed governing body tell you that the self appointed elders in Jw congregation are directed by Jesus Christ to keep watch over your souls?

This is becoming more and more interesting.

Saybal:
Leave these people alone you are always attacking them what are you fighting for I hope you know that u cannot help God go and form your own movement if you like I Learn u are an ex member.go and preach like the Jw t least we discusses meaniful thing for an hour every Saturday they are harmless not the way u are portraying them I have not gain anything from ur comment my personal observation

At least you agree you have leaders now.
How did they know Jesus Christ directed them to keep watch over your souls?

How did Jesus Christ direct them to keep watch over your souls?

Did they tell you that Jesus Christ directed them to keep watch over your souls?

Did your self appointed governing body tell you that the self appointed elders in Jw congregation are directed by Jesus Christ to keep watch over your souls?

This is becoming more and more interesting.

achorladey:


Judgemental approach no good. No wonder an elder told a publisher that the day he disassociates himself/herself from the organization he can no longer worship Jehovah anymore.

It baffles me and I was forced to ask.....who did the publisher dedicate his life to in the first instance..... to God" or the "Organization".


27 My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. 28 I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand. 29 My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all c ; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand.



That is John 10:27-29 After reading, comeback and tell me the elder can snatch the sheep from the Fine shepherd. So far you are still struggling to wrap your head around my previous conversation. Threats or intimidation won't do. All your recent post is filled with intimidation nothing more.


Bye bye!!!!!

Achorladey: Christians should be united in same mind and line of thought. Agreed!!!! My question..... do all Christians believe the following set of scriptures Matthew 22:37-39, John 14:6, James 1:26,27 John 3:16 2 Timothy 3:16,17 John 4:24. Matthew 24:14?
If yes is your answer, do you believe Christian then have same line of thought and mind despite some minor difference that should not divide us?

Jessicha:



The person that said you have no knowledge of scriptures to utter the bold didn't lie after all , you have really been blinded by sentiment's . Read the Book of Acts , Not even differences in Views regarding Circumcision was allowed , True Christians must be completely united in same mind .

Barristter07:


Ignorance of the scriptures, Elders don't snatch the sheep, they are appointed by Jesus to Keep watch over the sheep , The question a sane person needs ask is for what purpose are they keeping watch ? That would let you realize how adhering to this arrangement is TIED to your salvation . - Hebrews 13:17

Kindly Gist me regarding where and how you follow the Bibles instruction in Hebrews 10:24,25 today ?

Jessicha:



The person that said you have no knowledge of scriptures to utter the bold didn't lie after all , you have really been blinded by sentiment's . Read the Book of Acts , Not even differences in Views regarding Circumcision was allowed , True Christians must be completely united in same mind .

Jessicha:
Some people have comprehension issues So worse

Personal disagreement is different from religious differences ( Like in the case of Circumcision ) . the former is based on personal opinion, the later is based on scriptural understanding . the Later is Vital and the point of discussion here

Either the former or latter must be settled .. No room for any division.

achorladey:




Jessicha: The person(barrister007) that said you have no knowledge of scriptures to utter the bold didn't lie after all

Achorladey: Madam Jessicha, not only were you aiding and abetting a liar, you join in the conspiracy theory as well. Its no surprise, the popular Yoruba adage about a flea(fly) having to judge between a person that has wound and another person not having wound. Madam Jessicha who do you thinking the flea(fly) will support in this case?

Jessicha: you have really been blinded by sentiment's . Read the Book of Acts , Not even differences in Views regarding Circumcision was allowed,

Achorladey: Another lie! Acts 15 has not changed it remained the same ever since it was written. Acts 15 discussed circumcision or no circumcision palaver.
Acts 15:5,9-11, 19-21 no one single command was given to stop the circumcision issue. The final resolution on that day did not even mention circumcision in its wording. You know why? It simply because SUCH MINOR DIFFERENCE IS NOT ENOUGH TO RENDER GOD'S UNDESERVED KINDNESS INVALID OR MAKE US DISTINGUISH TRUE CHRISTIAN OR FALSE CHRISTIAN.

Jessicha: True Christians must be completely united in same mind.

Achorladey: Another lie! Ephesians 4:3 EARNESTLY ENDEAVORING TO MAINTAIN ONENESS OF THE SPIRIT IN UNITING BOND OF PEACE.
Do you think this verse is preaching 100% conformity? Emphasis on "earnestly endeavoring".

For reading exercise: Acts 15: 9-11
He did not discriminate between us and them, for he purified their hearts by faith. Now then, why do you try to test God by putting on the necks of Gentiles a yoke that neither we nor our ancestors have been able to bear? No! We believe it is through the grace of our Lord Jesus that we are saved, just as they are.”

Finally in fulfilling the law of the Christ as recently taught Galatians 5:6 Please read!!!! For in union with Christ Jesus, neither circumcision nor no circumcision is of any value, but faith operating through love is.

Barristter07:


Ignorance of the scriptures, Elders don't snatch the sheep, they are appointed by Jesus to Keep watch over the sheep , The question a sane person needs ask is for what purpose are they keeping watch ? That would let you realize how adhering to this arrangement is TIED to your salvation . - Hebrews 13:17

Kindly Gist me regarding where and how you follow the Bibles instruction in Hebrews 10:24,25 today ?

Hairyrapunzel:


Thank God you agree that there could be personal disagreement which is based on personal opinion.
People's person all opinion concerning scriptures can differ and they are still regarded as believers.
Religious differences concerning circumcision varied from person to person in the same congregation. And this led them to sending Paul and Barnabas to Jerusalem. At the end of the day circumcision isn't grounds for not considering people unbelievers. That's why you can have circumcised and uncircumcised people worshipping God and having faith in Jesus Christ as they are all considered believers.

When you force people to conform to a set of man made rules and punish them for deviating, it is no longer considered a Christian congregation but rather a cult or a high control group.

Paul went to Corinth where they had disputes about who to follow at the end of the day he said following Christ is the right thing. He even told them to be united in one mind in following Jesus Christ.

I know the Bible in one part tells gentiles to not eat things sacrificed to idols.

Acts 15:28-29
28 It seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us not to burden you with anything beyond the following requirements: 29 You are to abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality. You will do well to avoid these things.

I know another part that said you can eat even unclean things as long as you don't stumble a weaker person.

Romans14

Accept the one whose faith is weak, without quarreling over disputable matters. 2 One person’s faith allows them to eat anything, but another, whose faith is weak, eats only vegetables. 3 The one who eats everything must not treat with contempt the one who does not, and the one who does not eat everything must not judge the one who does, for God has accepted them. [b]4 Who are you to judge someone else’s servant? [/b]To their own master, servants stand or fall. And they will stand, for the Lord is able to make them stand.

5 One person considers one day more sacred than another; another considers every day alike. Each of them should be fully convinced in their own mind. 6 Whoever regards one day as special does so to the Lord. Whoever eats meat does so to the Lord, for they give thanks to God; and whoever abstains does so to the Lord and gives thanks to God. 7 For none of us lives for ourselves alone, and none of us dies for ourselves alone. 8 If we live, we live for the Lord; and if we die, we die for the Lord. So, whether we live or die, we belong to the Lord. 9 For this very reason, Christ died and returned to life so that he might be the Lord of both the dead and the living.

10 You, then, why do you judge your brother or sister[a]? Or why do you treat them with contempt? For we will all stand before God’s judgment seat. 11 It is written:

“‘As surely as I live,’ says the Lord,
‘every knee will bow before me;
every tongue will acknowledge God.’”[b]

12 So then, each of us will give an account of ourselves to God.

13 Therefore let us stop passing judgment on one another. Instead, make up your mind not to put any stumbling block or obstacle in the way of a brother or sister. 14 I am convinced, being fully persuaded in the Lord Jesus, that nothing is unclean in itself. But if anyone regards something as unclean, then for that person it is unclean. 15 If your brother or sister is distressed because of what you eat, you are no longer acting in love. Do not by your eating destroy someone for whom Christ died. 16 Therefore do not let what you know is good be spoken of as evil. 17 For the kingdom of God is not a matter of eating and drinking, but of righteousness, peace and joy in the Holy Spirit, 18 because anyone who serves Christ in this way is pleasing to God and receives human approval.

19 Let us therefore make every effort to do what leads to peace and to mutual edification. 20 Do not destroy the work of God for the sake of food. All food is clean, but it is wrong for a person to eat anything that causes someone else to stumble. 21 It is better not to eat meat or drink wine or to do anything else that will cause your brother or sister to fall.

22 So whatever you believe about these things keep between yourself and God. [/b]Blessed is the one who does not condemn himself by what he approves. 23 But whoever has doubts is condemned if they eat, because their eating is not from faith; and everything that does not come from faith is sin.

[b]Personal opinion concerning religious things mattered.

achorladey:


barrister007: Ignorance of the scriptures, Elders don't snatch the sheep, they are appointed by Jesus to Keep watch over the sheep,

Achorladey: Judgemental approach as usual. Its part of you. The sheep does not belong to the elders from the start. The sheep were never baptised in the name of the elders. The fine Shepherd has promised to be with all of his sheep including those taking the lead among the sheep(because a sheep leading another sheep those not necessary make that sheep a shepherd its just another sheep) until the conclusion of system of things.

barrister007: The question a sane person needs ask is for what purpose are they keeping watch? That would let you realize how adhering to this arrangement is TIED to your salvation. - Hebrews 13:17

Achorladey: The question a saner person need to ask is, where in Hebrews 13:17 restrict those taking the lead among you to be "elders"? And how does those taking the lead and keeping watch over their fellow brother and sister made them mediators between Jesus and God? 1 Peter 2:25.

The account the in Romans 14:12 Galatians 6:5 comes to mind. You only need to read and reflect.

barrister007: Kindly Gist me regarding where and how you follow the Bibles instruction in Hebrews 10:24,25 today?

Achorladey: Matthew 18:20 is the words of our leader(Jesus Christ). Explain exhaustively how well you understand it brother!!!!! Opo ko ni eyin to ba je gaga meji pere. Ni iwon igba ti meji yen ba ti le je eran ki ni iwulo yoku.
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Jessicha:


Really ?

" Nevertheless, not even Titus, who was with me , was compelled to be CIRCUMCISED, although he was a Greek. But that matter came up because of the false brothers brought in quietly, who slipped in to spy on the freedom we enjoy in union with Christ Jesus, so that they might completely enslave us " Says Galatians 2:3,4

So why is Paul calling teachers of circumcision False brothers? Its a minor difference why can't he just let them be without calling them False brothers ?

Barrister07 was right after all.



To MAINTAIN shows 100% conformity, they are to strive to Maintain that already existing oneness

Jessicha:

So funny
Why not just answer the bold first ?

achorladey:


Peter was definitely among those "false brothers" Galatians 2:11-14

but does that made him lose his fact of being a Christian and an apostle? Minor difference is of no value to that great undeserved kindness.

Jumped "earnestly endeavoring" into "maintain".

What!!! already "oneness" when they are still dragging circumcision issue.

Jessicha:


Too bad

You lacked comprehension . Go and work on that first