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Re: The Arab Origin Of The Yorubas by rhektor(m): 3:27pm On Jul 05, 2018 |
BabaRamota1980: BabaRamota1980 how about these words? Yorùbá : Ìmúnitì English : Immunity 1 Like |
Re: The Arab Origin Of The Yorubas by BabaRamota1980: 4:09pm On Jul 05, 2018 |
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Re: The Arab Origin Of The Yorubas by BabaRamota1980: 4:18pm On Jul 05, 2018 |
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Re: The Arab Origin Of The Yorubas by Olu317(m): 5:57pm On Jul 05, 2018 |
BabaRamota1980:Too harsh bro. Easy does it. Using philology tools can also help decipher some of these transferred words through learned or migrants carrier of such words. Take for instance, Île is Island or Isle in French word list. While Ilé is land in Yoruba word list. I know that Ilè is house/home in Yoruba but Ilé is the comparison with French word. 1 Like |
Re: The Arab Origin Of The Yorubas by BabaRamota1980: 6:42pm On Jul 05, 2018 |
Olu317: Someone said somewhere that Yoruba is Europa. I think Tonyspike did at the beginning. My head is dizzy from all the information and traces. I dont know how you guys are able to keep up and navigate through the maze. Too much! 1 Like |
Re: The Arab Origin Of The Yorubas by Olu317(m): 9:21pm On Jul 05, 2018 |
BabaRamota1980:Lawani did said so ooooo. But what can we do ? Endurance and patience is the key to all challenges. Èlèdumarè will renew your strength. 1 Like |
Re: The Arab Origin Of The Yorubas by BabaRamota1980: 3:49am On Jul 06, 2018 |
Hey Olaochi and Rhektor, I had too much drink last night. I just got up and couldnt believe my eyes at what i posted. Please forgive me brothers. Thats not me at all. I take God beg una,no take offense. If you did please forgive. I go stay away from posting next time i get awoof heineken. 1 Like |
Re: The Arab Origin Of The Yorubas by Olu317(m): 7:38am On Jul 06, 2018 |
More Comparative Yoruba words with Ancient Semitic language Hebrew Hhet= Outside Yoruba Í(e)tá= Outside Akkadian Ita = Outside/Open field 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: The Arab Origin Of The Yorubas by OlaoChi: 10:51am On Jul 06, 2018 |
BabaRamota1980: Why am I not surprised. |
Re: The Arab Origin Of The Yorubas by BabaRamota1980: 12:14pm On Jul 06, 2018 |
OlaoChi: shut up! 1 Like |
Re: The Arab Origin Of The Yorubas by BabaRamota1980: 12:20pm On Jul 06, 2018 |
Olu317: The naysayers will say this is coincidence. How can we have this much volume of cognate words located in the Meditteranean zone and are all coincidence.... I dont get it. Coincidence is a buzz word to distract us. Keep bringing them brother. These are indicators for presence. 1 Like |
Re: The Arab Origin Of The Yorubas by Olu317(m): 4:39pm On Jul 06, 2018 |
BabaRamota1980:These words aren't coincidental but evidence that showed many Yorubas ancestors were migrants from Mediterranean.Let the naysayers continue in their delusion. This fact is glaring. And I shall continue to bring such as long as Èri mí rán mi lówó. And the purpose of this research is to bring the wholeworld to her knees. Do you know ILU exist in Egypt's history? Do you know Yebu(Jebu) exist in Egypt's history? Do you know Onias land exist Egypt's history? Do you know the twins associated with Yorubas were also associated with ancient Hebrews? I wil not go deep into the above mentioned but will focus on the shared words. |
Re: The Arab Origin Of The Yorubas by Olu317(m): 4:41pm On Jul 06, 2018 |
BabaRamota1980: Thanks. I appreciate |
Re: The Arab Origin Of The Yorubas by Nobody: 12:26am On Jul 07, 2018 |
Olu317:Olu317, whether it’s true or not you are consistent in your claim about the similarities between Yoruba, Semitic and ancient Egyptian languages. But you said Yoruba were around the Nile but previously you said they were around Arabia. Why is it? If what you say is true then why isn’t Yoruba classified under Afroasiatic? Don’t say it’s an agenda against Black because majority Afroasiatic languages are in Africa. So why is it? |
Re: The Arab Origin Of The Yorubas by BabaRamota1980: 12:36pm On Jul 07, 2018 |
Hati13: Up till recently the country now known as Sudan was Egypt and was not known as Sudan. There was nothing known as Nigeria. So geographical boundaries and political domains change with time. The Yoruba migrant is a conglomerate. The Europeans that migrated to establish new order in America came from England, from Netherlands, Spain, France...their origins exist as distinct domains but in their American settlement they are known as a united race and seen as one. Language classification, like metaphysical said, is a convenience of location rather than the root of the sooken tongue. I think he was correct in saying if Hausa speak same tongue as they do today but their location is found in the forest they will not escape being classed as Niger-Congo. |
Re: The Arab Origin Of The Yorubas by Olu317(m): 12:42pm On Jul 07, 2018 |
Hati13:I didn't muddled it up but because you didn't see where in the past I had mentioned migration. First, I hold the notion that Yoruba lived in Mesopotamia when war broke out ( This is a long story but I had to skip some information because of the lengthiness of it but quickly the acient Yoruba history acknowledged three devastating war in Oru(Or/Ur)) and migration took them back to Africa ,which was through the entrance to Egypt and settlement in Nile fertile land and enclave There is an account that Awujalé, a clan of Ijebus/Jebus( most resected king in Ijebu axis even if it is contested) Yoruba that they arrived before the other Yoruba group. But noone exactly knew where the location of this contested place ,where Awujalé is reffering but I pinned it to Soudan– egypt Empire . This is because, Ijebu/Jebu/Yebu existed in the historical account of Egypt . In fact, this account This is account was not in Nigeria. Secondly, don't blame the people that hurriedly classified the African languages because ,they were ignorant of many things until, Joseph Greenberg acknowledged erroneous classification done on the languages. Mind you ,so many people in West Africa claimed migration.Although, I am only focused on Yoruba's claim. Have you not seen the words I posted ? Even the critics will claim indigenous development of the language but can such be true? If it look like a duck, walk like a duck,act like a duck, then it is a duck. Kindly follow my next post on language similarities with Afroasia–semitic origin of Yoruba words. |
Re: The Arab Origin Of The Yorubas by Olu317(m): 2:05pm On Jul 07, 2018 |
Hati13, |
Re: The Arab Origin Of The Yorubas by Nobody: 4:36pm On Jul 07, 2018 |
BabaRamota1980, No you are wrong. Language grouping is based on similarities not location. And Sudan for the most part in the past wasn’t part of Egypt. Olu317, Is there a genetic connection for the migrations claim? |
Re: The Arab Origin Of The Yorubas by Olu317(m): 6:57pm On Jul 07, 2018 |
Hati13:No you are wrong. Language grouping is based on similarities not location. And Sudan for the most part in the past wasn’t part of Egypt. Olu317, Is there a genetic connection for the migrations claim? Obviously, you didn't read the information posted earlier or you skipped through reading. I didnt at anytime mentioned,‘LOGIC', but comaprison with the related words. And the classification were badly done because apart from Yoruba language and her dialects, all others aren't intelligible. Even Igala,which is less than 65% intelligible couldn't had any relationship with Yorubas more or less than five - six hundred years ago,which was due to migration,trade,marriages etc. I said this because, Itsekiri, a Yoruba group, is a bit isolated and this group is in the deep and extreme part of the Western location in present day Delta state ( South-South Region ),Southern Nigeria, still speak over 70% central Yoruba and 80%+ of Ekiti Yoruba dialects. So, classification was a kangaroo methodology. 2. You ask for genetic link? The philological tools being used, aren't they Afro-asia/ Semitic- Yoruba's? The original Hebrew language disappeared from the Mesopotamia/Semitic environment after the captivity of Judah and absolute destruction of her city. Thereafter ,the original Hebrew language seized to exist and the little remembered became a liturgy. Google Yoruba's location in Nigeria and you will see that, Yoruba's location is from Western part through to the bank of Atlantic in Nigeria. Question to you? Despite the fact that you will meet other ethnicity before meeting Yorubas,how did these peculiar strange Afroasiatic- Semitic words exist only in yorubas and doesn't exist in all West African lexicons ? Call the Yorubas critic that claim otherwise to come deny the daily use of these words I have posted in Yoruba land,which their foundation are unknown. Mind you, I will still post some of them. |
Re: The Arab Origin Of The Yorubas by Nobody: 1:57am On Jul 10, 2018 |
Olu317:Onl317, I think we need to end this discussion because you know a lot about things related to Yoruba while I don’t and I’m basing my claim primarily based on Wiki and Wiki is know to provide many outdated informations. Your claim could be right or not (you also need to be open minded to the latter since many scholars say Yoruba is Niger-Congo). Within Yoruba themselves as when seen here there is different believe about Yoruba origin and their language nature. As you said Yoruba is among the most studied group in Africa but further research needs to be conducted to bring a common reliable belief on their history and culture. 1 Like |
Re: The Arab Origin Of The Yorubas by Olu317(m): 6:40am On Jul 10, 2018 |
Hati13:I think I get your opinion even if you dont understand Yoruba. The basis for this juxtaposes is all about the claims of Yoruba language being classified as Niger- Congo or related to Niger- Congo which doesnt seem to be so because of some words that ought be closely related in this region but non of these words are found in West African's ethnicity lexicons . This is where bias came in on the lumping of or unnecessary grouping of language based on REGION,which ought to be based on language affinity. Yoruba archaic/ ancient words, which are still being in use in Yoruba lexicons are alien to all of these West Africa ethnic groups,unless borrowed from Afro-asia/Semitic or of Arabic origins but indigenously to Yorubas . Furthermore, I will post three more shared words to silence critics whose views are based on sentiments because these words are not in any West Africa ethnicity lexicons. I strongly believe to continuously perfecting the school of thought that I belong,so that the ability to decipher aren't farfetch at anytime. So, I say, ‘Knowledge is power achieved, Wisdom is correct use of power, Understanding is the subconsciousness to subdue power out of intoxication', because all these definitely takes someone to greater height . Cheers. |
Re: The Arab Origin Of The Yorubas by Olu317(m): 10:44pm On Jul 10, 2018 |
Akl the ethnic groups that shared this thunderer's identifiable name were non West Africans,except Yorubas. Infact, limited African indigenous kingdoms have any name related to ‘Ra',Ra'am,Àrá etc in their lexicons as being seen in Yoruba lexicn |
Re: The Arab Origin Of The Yorubas by MetaPhysical: 5:07pm On Jul 11, 2018 |
Hati13: I am not sure a review of the classification will necessarily advance the quest on the origin because classifications generally are subjective and they change when new understandings are gained. This has been the tradition in all scopes of study and social structuring. This language classificiation will not defy that rule, when a time comes and better understanding opens it for review Im sure it will be done. The issue of language classification is a curveball that the Yoruba is Aborihgine crew throw out to escape having to discuss Yoruba uniqueness on arts, rites, culture, divinity, sounds and concepts...and so on. The discussion on Yoruba origin does not need to hinge on it (Niger-Congo classification), but if it does, then Sound and Concepts is a basic recipe of language and utility....and what Olu has produced should be adopted for the local languages in the Yoruba region....such as Nupe, Igbo, Igala, Idoma, Ewe and so on to disqualify the uniqueness we attribute to Yoruba. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: The Arab Origin Of The Yorubas by Olu317(m): 10:12pm On Jul 11, 2018 |
Re: The Arab Origin Of The Yorubas by Olu317(m): 9:48am On Jul 13, 2018 |
Ram as a Symbolism of authority. The ram meant a symbol of authority in many ancient kingdoms. Ram featured prominently in many ancient societies, the ram has been a long held symbol of: determination, action, initiative, and leadership. The ram is also a symbol of Aries, which is an astral symbol of rulership. Hebrew:Ra`ad (Re`eh),ayil Origin: h[r a Transliterated :Ra`ah Phonetic Spelling Parts of Speech Verb : ‘raw-aw' Modern word: shaver sheep: seh/kebes/keseb kar :young lamb in pasture Suckling lamb: ṭeleh Ewe: raḥel, Cattle,sheep,goats : ẓon Aramaic: "emer" English: ram , rom , ramme,ramm (“ram”) Proto-Germanic : rammaz (“ram”),rammaz Saterland Frisian : Rom Dutch: ram (“a male sheep”) German : Ramm, Ramme (“ram”). Danish : ram (“sharp; acrid; rank”), Swedish ram (“strong; perfect”) Faroese ramur (“strong; competent”), Icelandic : rammur Meaning:sheep,cows,etc. (b) associated with Shepherd, ruler,teacher,authority,etc Yoruba: éran Meaning: Ram,bovid ruminant, even-toed ungulate,Camel , hippopotamus, llama , peccary, ruminant,swine, vicuña etc Ram is used for sacrifice during the entry of every crowned Ooni to ILE IFE ,the sacred city of Yorubas. This is part of his coronation,which pave way for his authority,long reign and entry to the palace |
Re: The Arab Origin Of The Yorubas by Olu317(m): 9:45am On Aug 03, 2018 |
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Re: The Arab Origin Of The Yorubas by macof(m): 5:46pm On Sep 09, 2018 |
Thank Goodness more Yoruba are waking up to fight this cancer that is making a mess of yoruba history. at a time i thought nobody cared for yoruba history anymore or just too unconcerned to engage this church and mosque agents sent to destroy yoruba traditions. Christianity and Islam need to be stopped, they have caused enough harm |
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