OneJ:

"Abstain from blood" na Arabic language wey una no fit understand wetin eee mean?

Blood is sacred , whether human or animal, God no dey joke with. am.

Don't come here to lie that "abstain from blood" does not mean U can not accept blood transfusion.


If your personal physician warned U to abstain from nicotine, & U went behind his back to use needle to inject yourself with that same substance into your body, have U obeyed or disobeyed your physician ?

Don't come here to distort Jesus ransom sacrifice for man's salvation.

Did Jesus give U his blood to transfuse into your body?

Jesus said "if anyone wants to come after me,let him disown himself..." Mark 8:34-37.
That is life of obedience & self sacrifice.

JWs are exclusively dedicated to do Jehovah's will in imitation of Jesus Christ who obeyed his Father, Jehovah in everything. We live for Jehovah & his son Jesus Christ .Rom14:7-9.

Jehovah values obedience (1 Sam 15:22,23) & faith in his word /promises. JWs have faith in Jesus words & God's promises This life is not all there is. Our faith is anchored firmly on the resurrection hope.
1 Pet 1:3. John 11:23-25. Rev 21:3-5. 2Pet 3:13.

If some one puts a gun to your head to renounce your faith/beliefs, your life is at stake, would U chicken out & take the easy option?

Jesus did not chicken out, that is why today we celebrate him,likewise Abraham. Their faith stood out.

If U don't have the faith in God's word to "abstain from blood" & his promises, to bring the dead back. to life, U have no right to be unduly critical of those who do.

Jehovah is the source of life, he has the sole right to determine how man should treat blood
Man can not know what God knows on this matter.

Them go dey talk like say blood transfusion na holy grail of medical treatment.

I was at a major hospital recently when 3 children were rushed into the. A& E, all of them received blood transfusion everyday, but sadly on the 4th day of their admission, they all passed away.
If them be JW,just imagine the news story headlines....

JWs are forever committed to the best Medicare available except..... what U already know, no blood transfusion. Pls visit www.Jw.org, to learn more about JWs.
Shalom.

The argument is not that blood transfusion is Goko Cleanser, the definite treatment. The argument is that blood transfusion is an important medical procedure that ordinarily improves one's chances of survival. Its a bonus point and not a home run.

Religious people have to pick a rule of interpretation and stick with it. They argue that some parts of the Bible are figurative whilst other parts are to be taken literally regardless of the context. Its either the Bible is always true in its ordinary sense or it is not. The cherry picking is exhausting.

alBHAGDADI:


Clearly, the command is that humans should not eat the blood of any animal. This doesn't say we shouldn't engage in human blood transfusion. The passage was even talking about animal blood.

Leviticus 17:13-14

And whatsoever man there be of the children of Israel, or of the strangers that sojourn among you, which hunteth and catcheth any beast or fowl that may be eaten; he shall even pour out the blood thereof, and cover it with dust.
For it is the life of all flesh; the blood of it is for the life thereof: therefore I said unto the children of Israel, YE SHALL EAT THE BLOOD OF NO MANNER OF FLESH: for the life of all flesh is the blood thereof: whosoever eateth it shall be cut off.


The commandment in Acts 15 is still the same in Leviticus 17, and none of them speaks of blood transfusion. If you understand both verses in the same light, then they both refer to eating blood of animals, not blood transfusion.

jw and islam.

These two groups can twist any bible verse to suit their claims even where it is clearly conveying a different meaning.

OneJ:


Because u wanna make your point, u resorted to twist "abstain from blood" when U already know that God's edict prohibited u from putting any kind of blood into your body. Oma shey ooo !

The thing dey for market na, go buy am & transfuse na, its guarantees longevity.
Lols.

'Abstain from sin' means that you should not put any kind of sin into your body, right?

And whilst we are at it, lets take the parts of the Bible that said that we should not wear clothing made from two different materials, not eat the fruit of a young tree and kill our disobedient children more seriously. (Wait, did you even know about these?)

The Bible has so many dos and don'ts that if taken literally, it would be impossible to live in this year of our Lord 2018. Why pick some and leave some?

Adopting any religious practice that is contrary to logic and (uncommon) common sense is questionable, moreso when it affects the lives of others and yourself.

Seun:
Dear Jehovah's Witnesses,

When I heard that Serena Williams almost died during the birth of her child, I couldn’t understand why a strong and rich lady like her in a first world country would face such difficulties. When I learned that she is a Jehovah's Witness I immediately understood what the problem was.

Please help me to understand why blood transfusions are so bad. What makes you think that God is against life-saving blood transfusions? Why would God give doctors the wisdom to perform life-saving blood transfusions and then forbid his followers from accepting them?

Please don’t just copy and paste content from apologetics websites. Use your own words and reasons to explain what you personally believe.

Please, stop misinforming people. Try and find out a bit of details before you pass any information to people
Serena never needed blood transfusion, and her medical complications had nothing to do with blood transfusion.
It's open knowledge that Serena has always suffered from blood clots. Some people have that condition, and are at risk of having clots formed in their vessels which can block major veins in the legs, which can be easily dislodged and go staright to one of the biggest vessels in the lungs, and depending on the major vein blocked, can lead to instant death atimes.
She never at any point needed to be transfused.
She is on blood thinners, for life as it is.
Sickness or diseases don't care if you're rich/poor, or black/white, JW/atheist.
Serena's problems after pregnancy had nothing to do with her JW beliefs. No correlation at all.
She has had blood clots in her lungs in the past, she had a caesarean (major operation) which equally puts her at risk of same clots, she was also pregnant ( a hypercoagulable state) and another strong risk factor for clots.
She had a lot of risk factors for developing clots and these all have nothing to do with her beliefs.
Her wound also broke down, and she had to be taken back into theatre to restitch it.
Again, nothing to do with blood transfusion, but a documented complication of surgery which does happen to a lot of women post C sec worldwide in both developed and undeveloped countries
Should she have been offered transfusion if she didn't need it?
I'm not a JW, I don't believe in their doctrine but I understand the power of choice. If they chose to die for their beliefs, good for them, provided they are not children or mentally incapacitated. It's their choice to take a medical treatment or to refuse it.
I know people who have refused chemotherapy for their cancers. It's their choice.
Drs don't rush to tranfuse unless you absolutely need it.

eyinjuege:


Please, stop misinforming people. Try and find out a bit of details before you pass any information to people
Serena never needed blood transfusion, and her medical complications had nothing to do with blood transfusion.
It's open knowledge that Serena has always suffered from blood clots. Some people have that condition, and are at risk of having clots formed in their vessels which can block major veins in the legs, which can be easily dislodged and go staright to one of the biggest vessels in the lungs, and depending on the major vein blocked, can lead to instant death atimes.
She never at any point needed to be transfused.
She is on blood thinners, for life as it is.
Sickness or diseases don't care if you're rich/poor, or black/white, JW/atheist.
Serena's problems after pregnancy had nothing to do with her JW beliefs. No correlation at all.
She has had blood clots in her lungs in the past, she had a caesarean (major operation) which equally puts her at risk of same clots, she was also pregnant ( a hypercoagulable state) and another strong risk factor for clots.
She had a lot of risk factors for developing clots and these all have nothing to do with her beliefs.
Her wound also broke down, and she had to be taken back into theatre to restitch it.
Again, nothing to do with blood transfusion, but a documented complication of surgery which does happen to a lot of women post C sec worldwide in both developed and undeveloped countries
Should she have been offered transfusion if she didn't need it?
I'm not a JW, I don't believe in their doctrine but I understand the power of choice. If they chose to die for their beliefs, good for them, provided they are not children or mentally incapacitated. It's their choice to take a medical treatment or to refuse it.
I know people who have refused chemotherapy for their cancers. It's their choice.
Drs don't rush to tranfuse unless you absolutely need it.

Of course, they have the right to make that choice. And I have the right to speculate and question the reason for that choice (for academic purposes, maybe. :-P

Look at how some humans are replying somebody that ask question
f****ck Jw big time

Illuminatus:


Of course, they have the right to make that choice. And I have the right to speculate and question the reason for that choice (for academic purposes, maybe. :-P

You indeed have a right to question yourself on other people's choices. But definitely have no right to question them about their choices.
You simply don't have that power.
As per academic purposes, it would be interesting if you could do a proper research and proper study to find out how many deaths in hospitals due to bleeding out were JW. Of the JW amongst them, how many refused transfusion. That would be really interesting.
You can choose a popular hospital with lots of patients like Island maternity in Lagos. They treat only women, and take a lot of deliveries/cs. You can start from there.
Like I said earlier, provided its not a child, or someone without mental capacity, they can choose to refuse a medical treatment.
Some people don't believe in science, they don't believe in the whiteman's medicine and would rather stick to their local roots and herbs. It's their choice.
Some people feel they should be euthanized because of their dementia, and would rather die than not have their memories again. Their choice, if they're not breaking any law.
I may not agree with it, but don't ever put down the power of choice or the freewill of others because you think you're doing good.
Some JW would rather choose death than blood transfusion. Some non-JW would rather choose death than multiple sclerosis or dementia and can also refuse medical treatment that can help them.
You may not understand their decisions, but it is still theirs.

eyinjuege:


You indeed have a right to question yourself on other people's choices. But definitely have no right to question them about their choices.
You simply don't have that power.
As per academic purposes, it would be interesting if you could do a proper research and proper study to find out how many deaths in hospitals due to bleeding out were JW. Of the JW amongst them, how many refused transfusion. That would be really interesting.
You can choose a popular hospital with lots of patients like Island maternity in Lagos. They treat only women, and take a lot of deliveries/cs. You can start from there.
Like I said earlier, provided its not a child, or someone without mental capacity, they can choose to refuse a medical treatment.
Some people don't believe in science, they don't believe in the whiteman's medicine and would rather stick to their local roots and herbs. It's their choice.
Some people feel they should be euthanized because of their dementia, and would rather die than not have their memories again. Their choice, if they're not breaking any law.
I may not agree with it, but don't ever put down the power of choice or the freewill of others because you think you're doing good.
Some JW would rather choose death than blood transfusion. Some non-JW would rather choose death than multiple sclerosis or dementia and can also refuse medical treatment that can help them.
You may not understand their decisions, but it is still theirs.

You are comparing refusing blood transfusion to refusing treatment for multiple sclerosis or dementia. Lol. Flawed reasoning. Flawed analogy. At least it's an upgrade. I even thought you will use those imaginary unrealistic situations your leaders normally use.

Oya let's go. Multiple sclerosis or dementia really last time I checked they are irreversible processes.
Blood transfusion is a medical procedure.
Wanna compare refusing treatment for progressive irreversible diseases to refusing the medical procedure called blood transfusion for a reversible disease. Lol
You sound so dull no wonder those uninspired old men in new York have said they are the ones to think for you. Lol.
You wanna move goal post. We are talking about blood transfusion ban and not other people refusing treatment for something that no cure is currently known.


Una never still talk why jehovah has changed his stance on the kind of blood fraction/components his followers should accept. Abi its not even jehovah making all these rules again?

Seun:
Dear Jehovah's Witnesses,

When I heard that Serena Williams almost died during the birth of her child, I couldn’t understand why a strong and rich lady like her in a first world country would face such difficulties. When I learned that she is a Jehovah's Witness I immediately understood what the problem was.

Please help me to understand why blood transfusions are so bad. What makes you think that God is against life-saving blood transfusions? Why would God give doctors the wisdom to perform life-saving blood transfusions and then forbid his followers from accepting them?

Please don’t just copy and paste content from apologetics websites. Use your own words and reasons to explain what you personally believe.

there are so many doctrines believed by the jw that I don't agree with because they do there best to rationalise the bible to agree with human logic, the Bible spoke against eating flesh with blood because blood is the life of the body,but blood transfusion doesn't really seem as anything that can prevent someone from going to heaven.because it is a completely life saving measure free from diabolic origin.just as the process of joining faith with faith to save a christian during the healing process . as a Christian I must only speak from a spiritual perspective

Hairyrapunzel:


You are comparing refusing blood transfusion to refusing treatment for multiple sclerosis or dementia. Lol. Flawed reasoning. Flawed analogy. At least it's an upgrade. I even thought you will use those imaginary unrealistic situations your leaders normally use.

Oya let's go. Multiple sclerosis or dementia really last time I checked they are irreversible processes.
Blood transfusion is a medical procedure.
Wanna compare refusing treatment for progressive irreversible diseases to refusing the medical procedure called blood transfusion for a reversible disease. Lol
You sound so dull no wonder those uninspired old men in new York have said they are the ones to think for you. Lol.
You wanna move goal post. We are talking about blood transfusion ban and not other people refusing treatment for something that no cure is currently known.


Una never still talk why jehovah has changed his stance on the kind of blood fraction/components his followers should accept. Abi its not even jehovah making all these rules again?

You can't make people take what they don't want.
It's as simple as that.
You say I sound dull, but unfortunately you sound demented.
All noise, no action. Nothing new or inspiring about you.
I've told you on a previous thread before, I'm no JW. I don't believe in their doctrines.
But I understand completely I cannot make people's choices for them. I don't go about wailing about the choices of others.
If you want to save the world, there are many charitable cases that need your attention.
If you're so interested in stopping maternal mortality and infant mortality in Nigeria, the beliefs of JW will be bottom on your list.
By the way, have you ever donated blood in your life? Or any of you people screaming about JW? I'm sure majority of you are not that charitable to do that, yet you will let us believe you really care someone has blood transfusion or not. Hypocrites. Btw, I have donated blood several times in the past. Not for anyone specifically, but just to build the reserves in the blood bank. I've also being transfused in the past. I don't donate blood anymore, because where i live now you can't donate if you've ever being transfused.
Hypocrite, what have you ever done? All talk and no action.
Have you ever donated at a blood bank to build up their reserves? Try and do that so we know you are serious about this transfusion talk. The blood they transfuse doesn't fall from the sky you know.

eyinjuege:


You can't make people take what they don't want.
It's as simple as that.
You say I sound dull, but unfortunately you sound demented.
All noise, no action. Nothing new or inspiring about you.
I've told you on a previous thread before, I'm no JW. I don't believe in their doctrines.
But I understand completely I cannot make people's choices for them. I don't go about wailing about the choices of others.
If you want to save the world, there are many charitable cases that need your attention.
If you're so interested in stopping maternal mortality and infant mortality in Nigeria, the beliefs of JW will be bottom on your list.
By the way, have you ever donated blood in your life? Or all of you people screaming about JW? I'm sure majority you are not that charitable to do that, yet you will let us believe you really care someone has blood transfusion or not. Hypocrites. Btw, I have donated blood several times in the past. Not for anyone specifically, but just to build the reserves in the blood bank. I've also being transfused in the past. I don't donate blood anymore, because where i live now you can't donate if you've ever being transfused.
Hypocrite, what have you ever done? All talk and no action.
Have you ever donated at a blood bank build up their reserves? Try and do that so we know you are serious about this transfusion talk. The blood they transfuse doesn't fall from the sky you know.

Who is forcing who to take what they don't want?
It's like you ain't following the gist.
Their blood transfusion ban isn't in the Bible or it isn't biblical period.
What don't you understand sef?
Hmmm

That you have a contrary opinion to ones belief doesn't mean you are making a choice for them.

I have a contrary opinion. It's a free world. When I see you saying lies or using unrealistic/unrelated situations to justify blood transfusion ban I call you out.

Go through all text you will see that no one has forced anybody to accept their choice.

What concerns blood donation in the real world and blood transfusion ban not being in the Bible? Shift if you don't know what to say.

eyinjuege:


You can't make people take what they don't want.
It's as simple as that.
You say I sound dull, but unfortunately you sound demented.
All noise, no action. Nothing new or inspiring about you.
I've told you on a previous thread before, I'm no JW. I don't believe in their doctrines.
But I understand completely I cannot make people's choices for them. I don't go about wailing about the choices of others.
If you want to save the world, there are many charitable cases that need your attention.
If you're so interested in stopping maternal mortality and infant mortality in Nigeria, the beliefs of JW will be bottom on your list.
By the way, have you ever donated blood in your life? Or any of you people screaming about JW? I'm sure majority of you are not that charitable to do that, yet you will let us believe you really care someone has blood transfusion or not. Hypocrites. Btw, I have donated blood several times in the past. Not for anyone specifically, but just to build the reserves in the blood bank. I've also being transfused in the past. I don't donate blood anymore, because where i live now you can't donate if you've ever being transfused.
Hypocrite, what have you ever done? All talk and no action.
Have you ever donated at a blood bank to build up their reserves? Try and do that so we know you are serious about this transfusion talk. The blood they transfuse doesn't fall from the sky you know.

BTW who told you I am trying to save the world? I think you need help.

How is blood transfusion ban not being in the Bible related to saving the world? I no fit laff.


Let's do this

Blood transfusion ban isn't in the Bible. It's an assumed belief by someone from 1945 and has nothing to do with Jesus, jehovah, followers of God or even Satan in the Bible.
Just a speculation that turned into a belief.

I have a contrary opinion. Go and hug transformer

eyinjuege:


You can't make people take what they don't want.
It's as simple as that.
You say I sound dull, but unfortunately you sound demented.
All noise, no action. Nothing new or inspiring about you.
I've told you on a previous thread before, I'm no JW. I don't believe in their doctrines.
But I understand completely I cannot make people's choices for them. I don't go about wailing about the choices of others.
If you want to save the world, there are many charitable cases that need your attention.
If you're so interested in stopping maternal mortality and infant mortality in Nigeria, the beliefs of JW will be bottom on your list.
By the way, have you ever donated blood in your life? Or any of you people screaming about JW? I'm sure majority of you are not that charitable to do that, yet you will let us believe you really care someone has blood transfusion or not. Hypocrites. Btw, I have donated blood several times in the past. Not for anyone specifically, but just to build the reserves in the blood bank. I've also being transfused in the past. I don't donate blood anymore, because where i live now you can't donate if you've ever being transfused.
Hypocrite, what have you ever done? All talk and no action.
Have you ever donated at a blood bank to build up their reserves? Try and do that so we know you are serious about this transfusion talk. The blood they transfuse doesn't fall from the sky you know.

Why is it paining you that I called you out for equating refusing treatment for multiple sclerosis or dementia with refusing blood transfusion? I no fit laff.

At least the noise is getting to someone. I ain't making noise in vain.

You ain't a jw then go through the thread, read the post and understand what it's about.
Nobody has made a choice for anybody yet. We just call people out on their false non biblical beliefs. We are explaining their beliefs from our own point of view

alBHAGDADI:
What a stupid analogy.


David likened the water to the blood of the men that risked their lives to fetch it for him, because they passed through the midst of the Philistines their enemies to fetch it for him. He felt it wasn't right for him to drink it because the men put their lives on the line for it.

It's almost the same as eating without lifting a finger to work while others put their nose on the grind to provide the food. As a king, he would have drank the water without anyone questioning him, but he felt it wasn't an honorable thing to do.

He didn't pour the water away because he felt it was blood, a thing which God says we shouldn't eat. He threw it away because he felt it wasn't honorable to sit down and drink what some men risked their lives to fetch.

" On this account cease becoming unreasonable, but go on perceiving what the will of Jehovah is " - Eph 5:17

Another translation says :


" Therefore don't be foolish, but understand what the will of the Lord is " WEB ( Eph 5:17)

The Greek word rendered understand is syniemi


4920 /syníēmi ("put facts together" means to arrive at a summary or final understanding (complete with life-applications). Accordingly, 4920 (syníēmi) is closely connected with discerning and doing "the preferred-will of God" [/u] (2307 /thélēma).

https://biblehub.com/greek/4920.htm

[b] Unlike you, as instructed in this scripture. David have a clearer understanding of blood and what it meant and so was able to discern what is acceptable in Gods sight , this is why he treats that water THE EXACT SAME WAY HE WOULD TREAT HUMAN BLOOD

Barristter07:




" On this account cease becoming unreasonable, but go on perceiving what the will of Jehovah is " - Eph 5:17

Another translation says :


" Therefore don't be foolish, but understand what the will of the Lord is " WEB ( Eph 5:17)

The Greek word rendered understand is syniemi


4920 /syníēmi ("put facts together" means to arrive at a summary or final understanding (complete with life-applications). Accordingly, 4920 (syníēmi) is closely connected with discerning and doing "the preferred-will of God" [/u] (2307 /thélēma).

https://biblehub.com/greek/4920.htm

[b] Unlike you, as instructed in this scripture. David have a clearer understanding of blood and what it meant and so was able to discern what is acceptable in Gods sight , this is why he treats that water THE EXACT SAME WAY HE WOULD TREAT HUMAN BLOOD

Lol. So David threw human blood on the floor?
Shey bi you are in Davids mind now abi?

THE REAL THING THAT HAPPENED IN THE BIBLE

OK the actual thing that happened is David poured water on the ground in respect of the blood of men who risked their lives to get the water.


THE IMAGINARY THING THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN IN THE BIBLE BUT BARRISTER07 IS FORCING IT ON DAVID'S HEAD

The blood of the humans who risked their lives to get David water was given to David and David poured the human blood on the floor.



At the end of the day no human beings blood was given to David and David never poured any human beings blood on the floor therefore to say that David have a clearer understanding of blood and what it meant and so was able to discern what is acceptable in Gods sight , this is why he treats that water THE EXACT SAME WAY HE WOULD TREAT HUMAN BLOOD
Is an assumption which is a lie.


Barrister07 wants to force the Bible to say David respected the blood of his men than their lives. Bible never mentions any of these. It's barrister that has just assumed it o.

Hairyrapunzel:


Why is it paining you that I called you out for equating refusing treatment for multiple sclerosis or dementia with refusing blood transfusion? I no fit laff.

At least the noise is getting to someone. I ain't making noise in vain.

You ain't a jw then go through the thread, read the post and understand what it's about.
Nobody has made a choice for anybody yet. We just call people out on their false non biblical beliefs. We are explaining their beliefs from our own point of view

It is one and the same. They dont want your treatment. That is the bone of contention here. I have seen people refuse chemotherapy which may prolong their life. People have refused insulin which will also prolong their life, and help their disease despite no cure per say. It's not by force to take your treatment.
They don't want it. Simple as that.
By law, you can't do anything about it.
Friendly advice to any medical person here, if you order a transfusion, or you administer blood to anyone who has specifically said they don't want it, you have assaulted that patient ( except minors and patients with no capacity, you can get a court order for that)
It is assault if you give people treatment they don't want o. It is standard practice worldwide. Not only will you lose your licence as a dr, nurse or even lab scientist but the person in question can sue you, and you may even be prosecuted criminally.
Forget all the huffing and puffing on NL. In the real world, that is what happens.
Only good at talking the talk and not walking the walk. Shiorr.
It's good to donate blood please, many people need it. It's sad we don't see it as important in our climes, and we're all happy to just receive. Donate blood today, and save someone's life.
If you have the audacity to question JW about their blood transfusion beliefs, and you've never seen it important enough to donate blood and save a life, then you're all talk and no action. Empty barrels, and just noise makers.
I have donated blood severally, not to anyone specifically but to a blood bank. Have you done same?

eyinjuege:


It is one and the same. They dont want your treatment. That is the bone of contention here. I have seen people refuse chemotherapy which may prolong their life. People have refused insulin which will also prolong their life, and help their disease despite no cure per say. It's not by force to take your treatment.
They don't want it. Simple as that.
By law, you can't do anything about it.
Friendly advice to any medical person here, if you order a transfusion, or you administer blood to anyone who has specifically said they don't want it, you have assaulted that patient.
It is assault if you give people treatment they don't want o. It is standard practice worldwide. Not only will you lose your licence as a dr, nurse or even lab scientist but the person in question can sue you, and you may even be prosecuted criminally.
Forget all the huffing and puffing on NL. In the real world, that is what happens.
Only good at talking the talk and not walking the walk. Shiorr.
It's good to donate blood please, many people need it. It's sad we don't see it as important in our climes, and we're all happy to just receive. Donate blood today, and save someone's life.
If you have the audacity to question JW about their blood transfusion beliefs, and you've never seen it important enough to donate blood and save a life, then you're all talk and no action. Empty barrels, and just noise makers.
I have donated blood severally, not to anyone specifically but to a blood bank. Have you done same?

Now you have brought chemotherapy and insulin into the discussion. Continue bringing more the list ain't exhausted.

Barristter07:




" On this account cease becoming unreasonable, but go on perceiving what the will of Jehovah is " - Eph 5:17

Another translation says :


" Therefore don't be foolish, but understand what the will of the Lord is " WEB ( Eph 5:17)

The Greek word rendered understand is syniemi


4920 /syníēmi ("put facts together" means to arrive at a summary or final understanding (complete with life-applications). Accordingly, 4920 (syníēmi) is closely connected with discerning and doing "the preferred-will of God" [/u] (2307 /thélēma).

https://biblehub.com/greek/4920.htm

[b] Unlike you, as instructed in this scripture. David have a clearer understanding of blood and what it meant and so was able to discern what is acceptable in Gods sight , this is why he treats that water THE EXACT SAME WAY HE WOULD TREAT HUMAN BLOOD

What a pile load of junk.

Look at the great length you went just to justify lies.

I doubt your JW people believes this crap you concucted.

eyinjuege:


You indeed have a right to question yourself on other people's choices. But definitely have no right to question them about their choices.
You simply don't have that power.
As per academic purposes, it would be interesting if you could do a proper research and proper study to find out how many deaths in hospitals due to bleeding out were JW. Of the JW amongst them, how many refused transfusion. That would be really interesting.
You can choose a popular hospital with lots of patients like Island maternity in Lagos. They treat only women, and take a lot of deliveries/cs. You can start from there.
Like I said earlier, provided its not a child, or someone without mental capacity, they can choose to refuse a medical treatment.
Some people don't believe in science, they don't believe in the whiteman's medicine and would rather stick to their local roots and herbs. It's their choice.
Some people feel they should be euthanized because of their dementia, and would rather die than not have their memories again. Their choice, if they're not breaking any law.
I may not agree with it, but don't ever put down the power of choice or the freewill of others because you think you're doing good.
Some JW would rather choose death than blood transfusion. Some non-JW would rather choose death than multiple sclerosis or dementia and can also refuse medical treatment that can help them.
You may not understand their decisions, but it is still theirs.

It is important that our choices be criticized. Its on that basis that we speculate whether the way we were treated by a particular person was right or wrong, whether someone is making a good decision and certainly whether someone has committed a crime. Questioning ones choice is not the same thing as imposing our own choice or agenda.

Illuminatus:


It is important that our choices be criticized. Its on that basis that we speculate whether the way we were treated by a particular person was right or wrong, whether someone is making a good decision and certainly whether someone has committed a crime. Questioning ones choice is not the same thing as imposing our own choice or agenda.

What caught my interest in this thread was the mention of Serena Williams. I felt it was unfair to just assume the problems she faced post partum/delivery was because of her JW beliefs, when it clearly wasn't and had nothing to do with blood transfusion.
It's unfair to write off someone else's struggles particularly with their health, and just generalise that yes it's because she's JW.
She's rich, has access to the best health care so things could only go wrong because she is JW- very faulty assumptions. Like I explained earlier, her struggles had nothing to do with her beliefs, and giving her blood transfusion would have done nothing, as she didn't need one. It probably would have worsened her case.
I felt it was unfair on her especially when the narrative wasn't like that
When it comes to people's life choices, it's theirs. When it comes to people's beliefs, it's also theirs. You may not agree with them, but provided they are not hurting anyone else then let them own it.
We can't always make the right decisions every time. These people don't believe in receiving other people's blood, so what are the other practical options available for them?
I believe the science of medicine is moving away from the Dr says it's this approach. It's now moving towards patient centered approach where their choices are not toyed with.
Whether right or wrong, what of their quality of life? Can a JW person live with themselves after being coerced into taking someone else's blood? So there's a mental health approach to it again. It's their beliefs.
Can you make them not believe that again? Possibly, but definitely not by putting down their beliefs or by lying on one of their members just to prove a point!

eyinjuege:


What caught my interest in this thread was the mention of Serena Williams. I felt it was unfair to just assume the problems she faced post partum/delivery was because of her JW beliefs, when it clearly wasn't and had nothing to do with blood transfusion.
It's unfair to write off someone else's struggles particularly with their health, and just generalise that yes it's because she's JW.
She's rich, has access to the best health care so things could only go wrong because she is JW- very faulty assumptions. Like I explained earlier, her struggles had nothing to do with her beliefs, and giving her blood transfusion would have done nothing, as she didn't need one. It probably would have worsened her case.
I felt it was unfair on her especially when the narrative wasn't like that
When it comes to people's life choices, it's theirs. When it comes to people's beliefs, it's also theirs. You may not agree with them, but provided they are not hurting anyone else then let them own it.
We can't always make the right decisions every time. These people don't believe in receiving other people's blood, so what are the other practical options available for them?
I believe the science of medicine is moving away from the Dr says it's this approach. It's now moving towards patient centered approach where their choices are not toyed with.
Whether right or wrong, what of their quality of life? Can a JW person live with themselves after being coerced into taking someone else's blood? So there's a mental health approach to it again. It's their beliefs.
Can you make them not believe that again? Possibly, but definitely not by putting down their beliefs or by lying on one of their members just to prove a point!

Very objective comment from eyinjuege.
So, the first OP,Seun didn't give us a clear ,concise narrative of the Serena William health issues ?
U have done a great service to everyone following this thread.
Stay blessed.
Shalom.

alBHAGDADI:
What a pile load of junk.

Look at the great length you went just to justify lies.

I doubt your JW people believes this crap you concucted.

why U think say people dey use corner corner eyes dey look what is referred to as "blood money"?
Na that same eyes naim David take look that water wey him men wey risk their life to fetch for him.
Acts 15:20,29.
a) "Abstain from food polluted by idols " U will eat blood prepared with such foods.

b) "Abstain from blood"
c)"Abstain from meat of strangled animals,
d) Abstain from sexual immorality. "U mix body fluids & even even unknowingly exchange blood with someone else.

Each of this God given edict ( "a-d" prohibited blood consumption . The principle is ,U no go receive blood into your body or put am inside your body by any means..

Blood transfusion equates with "a" to "d",hence violates this principle.


alBAHGDADI, na U get your mouth. I thank God for freedom of speech.
Shalom.

chiommy123:
So we should continue losing family members cos of their erroneous believes why their overseaers take the same thing they teach against secretly

So U dey there dey when they give dem blood transfusion secretly ,or U be monitoring spirit wey see them secretly, shey ?

People wey dey do blood transfusion dem dey live forever ? Does it make sense to U for God to command Abraham to sacrifice his son ,Isaac, when God knows he will die?

Do U know what it means to love God with your whole life ,heart & soul ?

Humchi:



jw and islam.

These two groups can twist any bible verse to suit their claims even where it is clearly conveying a different meaning.

Thank U 4 your fallacy.
"Abstain from blood" na Arabic language wey U no understand?

alBHAGDADI:
Still yet, God never commanded against blood transfusion.

Your organization is making doctrines of men the commandment of God.

Since you love heaven so much, then stay away from drugs when you fall sick.

Acts 15:20,29
"Abstain from blood", it means don't eat blood or put it into your body. Did U see 'animal' stated there in ?

If U don't wanna abstain, there are blood banks everywhere, feel free to be their major customer. Your life your choice.

eyinjuege:


Please, stop misinforming people. Try and find out a bit of details before you pass any information to people
Serena never needed blood transfusion, and her medical complications had nothing to do with blood transfusion.
It's open knowledge that Serena has always suffered from blood clots. Some people have that condition, and are at risk of having clots formed in their vessels which can block major veins in the legs, which can be easily dislodged and go staright to one of the biggest vessels in the lungs, and depending on the major vein blocked, can lead to instant death atimes.
She never at any point needed to be transfused.
She is on blood thinners, for life as it is.
Sickness or diseases don't care if you're rich/poor, or black/white, JW/atheist.
Serena's problems after pregnancy had nothing to do with her JW beliefs. No correlation at all.
She has had blood clots in her lungs in the past, she had a caesarean (major operation) which equally puts her at risk of same clots, she was also pregnant ( a hypercoagulable state) and another strong risk factor for clots.
She had a lot of risk factors for developing clots and these all have nothing to do with her beliefs.
Her wound also broke down, and she had to be taken back into theatre to restitch it.
Again, nothing to do with blood transfusion, but a documented complication of surgery which does happen to a lot of women post C sec worldwide in both developed and undeveloped countries
Should she have been offered transfusion if she didn't need it?
I'm not a JW, I don't believe in their doctrine but I understand the power of choice. If they chose to die for their beliefs, good for them, provided they are not children or mentally incapacitated. It's their choice to take a medical treatment or to refuse it.
I know people who have refused chemotherapy for their cancers. It's their choice.
Drs don't rush to tranfuse unless you absolutely need it.

Seun the OP, wants us to believe Serena Williams almost died because she rejected blood transfusion... Nawa ooo !
Their bias & thinly disguised prejudice won't allow for candid presentation of facts.
Shalom

Blood transfusions do not necessary save lifes and not a cure. It is like treating symptoms of a disease. I have seen cases where blood transfusions were done and patients still died. Why even with blood transfusion? I have seen cases where patients refuse blood and still survive. Do we have such data? why they survive? Also, we do not have data of patients that actually died because they refused blood and their cause of death can only be due to lack of blood absolutely. Even blood transfusions could worsen some cancer cases(modulation of immunity). In medicine,nothing is absolute. Yes, blood transfusion is seen as gold standard in some medical or surgical emergencies PRESENTLY. But can any doctor quarantee a patient will not die if transfused with blood? If you see anyone, let me know. In future, blood transfusion may be obsolete as medical researchers are recording success in blood alternatives.
Furthermore, eating blood is wrong and Bible forbids that. Blood transfusion is a form of eating blood intravenously. Both serve different purposes. Blood transfusion is therapeutic while eating orally is nutritional. Both is wrong.

OneJ:


So U dey there dey when they give dem blood transfusion secretly ,or U be monitoring spirit wey see them secretly, shey ?

People wey dey do blood transfusion dem dey live forever ? Does it make sense to U for God to command Abraham to sacrifice his son ,Isaac, when God knows he will die?

Do U know what it means to love God with your whole life ,heart & soul ?

no. Not every one that received blood lives. God just wanted to test Abraham's faithfulness. Loving God with all your heart and soul means obeying Gods commandments, loving your neighbor, serving God with all that is within you. God said I will that you prosper even as your soul prosperth. You know prosperity is not just money, good health is also prosperity. Pls where did God discouraged blood transfusion

OneJ:


Acts 15:20,29
"Abstain from blood", it means don't eat blood or put it into your body. Did U see 'animal' stated there in ?

If U don't wanna abstain, there are blood banks everywhere, feel free to be their major customer. Your life your choice.

And it was talking about animal blood as I showed you in numerous verses. Didn't I tell you that when you want to understand a certain verse, other verses in the Bible serve as the dictionary. I've showed you numerous verses which states that it is animal blood we are to avoid eating. Yet you say interpret "abstain from blood" to mean it is human blood transfusion we are to avoid. Why don't you also interpret it to mean women menstruating should abstain from their menstrual period or kill themselves to do it? Why not tell us to stop slaughtering animals for food because it will lead to us touching blood?

eyinjuege:


What caught my interest in this thread was the mention of Serena Williams. I felt it was unfair to just assume the problems she faced post partum/delivery was because of her JW beliefs, when it clearly wasn't and had nothing to do with blood transfusion.
It's unfair to write off someone else's struggles particularly with their health, and just generalise that yes it's because she's JW.
She's rich, has access to the best health care so things could only go wrong because she is JW- very faulty assumptions. Like I explained earlier, her struggles had nothing to do with her beliefs, and giving her blood transfusion would have done nothing, as she didn't need one. It probably would have worsened her case.
I felt it was unfair on her especially when the narrative wasn't like that
When it comes to people's life choices, it's theirs. When it comes to people's beliefs, it's also theirs. You may not agree with them, but provided they are not hurting anyone else then let them own it.
We can't always make the right decisions every time. These people don't believe in receiving other people's blood, so what are the other practical options available for them?
I believe the science of medicine is moving away from the Dr says it's this approach. It's now moving towards patient centered approach where their choices are not toyed with.
Whether right or wrong, what of their quality of life? Can a JW person live with themselves after being coerced into taking someone else's blood? So there's a mental health approach to it again. It's their beliefs.
Can you make them not believe that again? Possibly, but definitely not by putting down their beliefs or by lying on one of their members just to prove a point!

Admittedly, @Seun may have been wrong as regards to the premise and what caused Ms. Williams' complications but the basic question is not entirely hinged on her so it is still valid.

I admire your liberal stance on the matter, maintaining that people can choose the kind of treatment they want but I am curious as to if this position extends to other spheres of life such as sexual orientation and euthanasia.

eyinjuege:
Serena never needed blood transfusion, and her medical complications had nothing to do with blood transfusion ...

She is on blood thinners, for life as it is.

She never at any point needed to be transfused.

Serena's problems after pregnancy had nothing to do with her JW beliefs. No correlation at all.

She had a lot of risk factors for developing clots and these all have nothing to do with her beliefs.

Her wound also broke down, and she had to be taken back into theatre to restitch it.

Again, nothing to do with blood transfusion,

I see what you did there. You used the facts that Serena shared about her case to lend credibility to your claim that her complications had nothing to do with transfusions. Random fact, baseless claim, random fact, baseless claim, rinse and repeat. It almost worked on me too. The fact is that you can't conclude that Serena Williams never needed a blood transfusion just because her publicists didn't explicitly say so. As an outspoken Jehovah's Witness, Serena Williams would never share any details of her story that would make the her beloved religion look bad.

Should she have been offered transfusion if she didn't need it?

You can't conclude that she didn't need a blood transfusion just because her publicists didn't explicitly say she did. She had multiple surgeries, each of which may have caused her to lose a lot of blood. And if she refused blood, this would have made things much more difficult for her. Also, as you mentioned, she was on blood thinners which means she probably lost a lot of blood when, as you said, her wound broke down.

I'm not a JW, I don't believe in their doctrine

It's difficult to believe that you're not a Jehovah's Witness claiming not to be a Jehovah's Witness in order to make us feel that you're unbiased.

OneJ:


why U think say people dey use corner corner eyes dey look what is referred to as "blood money"?
Na that same eyes naim David take look that water wey him men wey risk their life to fetch for him.
Acts 15:20,29.
a) "Abstain from food polluted by idols " U will eat blood prepared with such foods.

b) "Abstain from blood"
c)"Abstain from meat of strangled animals,
d) Abstain from sexual immorality. "U mix body fluids & even even unknowingly exchange blood with someone else.

Each of this God given edict ( "a-d" prohibited blood consumption . The principle is ,U no go receive blood into your body or put am inside your body by any means..

Blood transfusion equates with "a" to "d",hence violates this principle.


alBAHGDADI, na U get your mouth. I thank God for freedom of speech.
Shalom.

What you are saying now is that engaging in sexual immorality exposes one to receiving blood through exchange of body fluid. Perhaps that's why God warns against sexual immorality.

One thing about you is that when you say something, it first sounds legit until thoroughly scrutinized. Now, let's have a second look at it.

If the sex that takes place during sexual immorality leads to the exchange of blood, a thing you say God warns about, then what about the exchange of blood that takes place during the sex between legally married couples? Aren't married couples breaking the commandment of "abstain from blood"? Can you now see the stupidity in your submission?

You might want to go ahead and play smart by saying married couples can exchange blood through sex because they have become one flesh according to Mark 10:8. Shouldn't that also mean that a man can give his wife blood through transfusion since they are one flesh?

A doctrine that is not inspired by God cannot stand the test of reasoning. Your doctrine is man made and not inspired of God.