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Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: Why Are Blood Transfusions So Bad? by Seun(m): 8:23am On Sep 04, 2018 |
eyinjuege:Well, it was a honest assumption. And as someone said, it doesn't matter anyway since many other people have died over this doctrine. when it clearly wasn't and had nothing to do with blood transfusion.Unless Serena Williams doctors release a statement saying they never considered giving her a blood transfusion, you don't know that for a fact. When it comes to people's life choices, it's theirs. When it comes to people's beliefs, it's also theirs. You may not agree with them, but provided they are not hurting anyone else then let them own it. We can't always make the right decisions every time.When you commit suicide, you're not the only one who gets hurt. Your children, parents, spouse, friends, co-workers, etc are also hurt. These people don't believe in receiving other people's blood, so what are the other practical options available for them?Those options are only available to rich people in advanced countries. Like Serena Williams, I guess. Nigerian JWs who need blood are doomed. Can a JW person live with themselves after being coerced into taking someone else's blood?Nobody has advocated forcing anybody to take someone else's blood, so I don't know why you brought it up. Can you make them not believe that again? Possibly, but definitely not by putting down their beliefsI don't see how just accepting their beliefs will make them stop believing. There's nothing wrong with asking them to explain why they believe. or by lying on one of their members just to prove a point!It was a honest assumption and only Serena Williams and her doctors are in the position to conclude that it was wrong. We can only guess. 9 Likes 5 Shares |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: Why Are Blood Transfusions So Bad? by finest0007(m): 8:37am On Sep 04, 2018 |
true2god: You've either done FBI scale research or been close to witnesses to know of 'brighter light' The issue of blood will likely be changed eventually I think. As far back as 2010 when I still used to attend, I noticed they started accepting various parts of blood; white blood cells etc. Once upon a time, marrying two wives didn't matter to them. Celebrating Christmas was a thing even in headquarters, but trust time & other factors to change a thing or two. About being able to defend doctrines without the brainwash, I think that's just religion generally. If you ask most religious persons why an absurd belief is held, they'll likely quote something in verbatim that doesn't really answer your question. "God why did my child have to die?" "God needed an extra angel in heaven" Those who have their own thoughts on controversial matters like this one usually don't last long there. To be truly religious you have to swallow a lot of things hook,line & sinker. Trouble starts when you start applying logic & common sense. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: Why Are Blood Transfusions So Bad? by eyinjuege: 8:46am On Sep 04, 2018 |
Seun: Nothing in her story which I'm sure you also picked from what she decided to let people know suggests she needed blood transfusion. You are the master of assumptions, and even worse than what you think I am. Again, have you donated blood this year? Pls kindly do so. You may truly save a life and actually do something noble for people that actually need transfusion. You claim I may be JW, I am not. Same way Your presumed facts and understanding about Serena's experience in hospital is even more baseless, and putting it on blood transfusion. Drs don't just tranfuse on the whim, they don't even offer it on the whim. Blood transfusion had nothing to do with her developing a pulmonary embolism in hospital. Blood transfusion had nothing to do with her going back into theatre due to a hematoma and broken down wound. All these things happened to her before the issue of blood transfusion could even come in at all. After taking her back into theatre the second time to remove the blood collected in her abdomen in her and fit in a net to prevent future clots in her major lung vessels , she was absolutely fine and fit to go home , spending total of at most 7 days in hospital. Even normal c-sec with no complication in Nigeria spend average 3-4 days. She was a fit young woman before surgery. I repeat, blood transfusion played no part in her hospital stay. Nothing at all. Nothing about her problems suggests her need for transfusion. [/b]Infact she should have been the poster child for JW to convince others that you can bleed and still escape transfusion. That would have proved her faith in Jehovah more, and that other non blood products can be used instead of blood.[b] fit and well young women who are non-JW have same complication of Serena, with a hematoma here and there. Even older people after joint replacement surgery can have hematoma. They take them back into theatre to clear it out. It doesnt mean they offer blood transfusion. 4 Likes |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: Why Are Blood Transfusions So Bad? by tintingz(m): 8:56am On Sep 04, 2018 |
OneJ:This is more reason believing in God makes life meaningless. 1 Like |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: Why Are Blood Transfusions So Bad? by tintingz(m): 9:12am On Sep 04, 2018 |
OneJ:First of all the cosmos is in order and the opposite is chaos, there are chaotic phenomena that prompt the universe. |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: Why Are Blood Transfusions So Bad? by chemystery: 9:12am On Sep 04, 2018 |
OneJ Case 1: How about medical laboratory tests that requires extracting the blood of a patient. Will you also refer to that as abstinence from blood? Case 2: When someone donates blood, can we say such person have not abstained from blood? Considering that both cases require extracting of blood, why do JWs see problem with Case 2 but not with Case 1? |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: Why Are Blood Transfusions So Bad? by Barristter07: 9:57am On Sep 04, 2018 |
alBHAGDADI: Good you now know lack of understanding is your problem 1 Like |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: Why Are Blood Transfusions So Bad? by Barristter07: 10:07am On Sep 04, 2018 |
alBHAGDADI: Someone already explains that abstain has nothing to do with touch , the Early Christians recognize that the priest at the temple comes in contact with blood in the discharge of their duty. Humans bleed when injured and preserving the wound's would require contact with blood ( See the story of the Good Samaritan Luke 10:34) Your reasoning is flawed , it deals with consumption . and earlier it has been established that this includes both man and animals blood . Luke 17:11 You must not eat the blood of ANY CREATURE . emphasis on " Any " David understands what you find hard to grab 3 Likes |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: Why Are Blood Transfusions So Bad? by tintingz(m): 10:09am On Sep 04, 2018 |
capitalzero:Medics are not saying blood transfusion is the Lazarus pit, blood transfusion gives high chances of surviving and it's needed when necessary. Blood transfusion is a form of eating blood?, are we now vampires. You guys should quit making fallacious statement. 2 Likes |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: Why Are Blood Transfusions So Bad? by alBHAGDADI: 10:17am On Sep 04, 2018 |
Barristter07:Funny you. I'm glad you established that it has to do with EATING. Are humans EATING blood when they undergo blood transfusion? 1 Like |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: Why Are Blood Transfusions So Bad? by Evangkatsoulis: 1:15pm On Sep 04, 2018 |
Hairyrapunzel: I remember reading one of their awake/watchtower publications. There they said that taking blood into the body by injection is not much different from drinking it. Their rationale was that taking alcohol/drugs orally is similar to taking by injection. |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: Why Are Blood Transfusions So Bad? by Hairyrapunzel: 2:10pm On Sep 04, 2018 |
Barristter07: It is Lev 17 not Luke 17. At least that Bible verse and chapter was referenced to only animals used for food and sacrifice. I know you guys are always ashamed to admit that the Whole chapter never for once refers to humans. Your conclusion that it includes humans is from a phrase in a verse and the remaining phrases in that same verse refers to animals used for food. I have never seen a jw that quoted that verse fully. What are you guys hiding? 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: Why Are Blood Transfusions So Bad? by Seun(m): 2:34pm On Sep 04, 2018 |
The Jesus of the gospels would have supported the eating of blood if he thought it would benefit his disciples, not to mention transfusions: Mark 7:14-19: Jesus called the crowd to him and said, “Listen to me, everyone, and understand this. Nothing outside a person can defile them by going into them. Rather, it is what comes out of a person that defiles them.” To me, this is an open and shut case. Regardless of the political decision of Acts 15, Jesus himself declared all foods to be clean. Even blood. cc: OneJ, JMAN05, eyingueje, capitalzero, and achorladey, triplec93 5 Likes 8 Shares |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: Why Are Blood Transfusions So Bad? by Hairyrapunzel: 2:47pm On Sep 04, 2018 |
Evangkatsoulis:Taking drugs orally or by injection will give you the same effect. Drug isn't food so it's not eatable. I have not seen anyone take alcohol intravenously. when you inject alcohol it will not change When you drink alcohol it is absorbed in the stomach as alcohol. Alcohol ain't food also. Blood when eaten will be broken down to nutrients. Whereas when you transfuse blood (a form of tissue transplant) the blood goes straight to your circulatory system and keeps blood volume intact. They don't know that their leaders are ashamed of the fact that they once said blood transfusion is the same as blood eating. Their leaders know blood transfusion is a form of tissue transplant. Is just that their followers are not to question their leaders if not this is supposed to cause a huge problem for their leaders. The truth is that the leader they had in 1945 called Nathan knorr was an illiterate. He didn't have access to medical journals, internet, colour TV , good radio network, DVD etc then also modern medical education and practice had just began to take a new direction if not he would never had made the error of thinking that blood transfusion was blood eating. He actually believed what someone in the 13th century said after he transfused a dog . In fact its this guy that told his followers that vaccination and organ transplant was cannibalism. As blood transfusion has killed so many people they can't just change it once. They are gradually changing by allowing blood components donated by blood of worldly people. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: Why Are Blood Transfusions So Bad? by AutoElectNG: 3:14pm On Sep 04, 2018 |
Hope this helps the discussion https://www.bmj.com/rapid-response/2011/10/28/why-do-jehovahs-witnesses-abstain-blood |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: Why Are Blood Transfusions So Bad? by 1Sharon(f): 3:27pm On Sep 04, 2018 |
AutoElectNG: Consuming blood orally is different from taking it intravenously!! 1 Like |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: Why Are Blood Transfusions So Bad? by AutoElectNG: 3:42pm On Sep 04, 2018 |
1Sharon: Clearly both are medically disimilar. The similarity is that both are forms of ingestion that is to say breaking the barrier of the body. But beyond the similarity or disimilarity, what seems to be in issue here is whether it is ingested orally or intravenously, the religious group is worried by doing one or the other or both, they would be disrespecting God, and so they opt to avoid either method of ingestion out of an abundance of respect for what blood represents to the maker of blood and the giver of life and irrespective of any medical advantages of the medical procedure. It seems to me that this is the real issue at hand which even courts have agreed to respect if the person involved is up to the age of reason and where he or she is not, shows that he knows his or her choice and its consequences and is willing to live with the same. Everyone else or nearly everyone else takes blood yea. They will not take blood through any means to show respect and reverence to God by choice the same way as others reject a couple of things out of respect for God or culture or whatever while acknowledging the rights of others with a different background to do otherwise and not forcing it or those on them. It seems as has been pointed out by one other person, the right to choose and their right to choice which includes medical treatment and procedures should be respected even if not appreciated or understood or even if it is a right we do not agree with. It is in the end a question of faith....forcing them to take blood against their wishes makes us no better than those who sided with the Inquisitions of centuries long gone and is synonymous with religious intolerance |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: Why Are Blood Transfusions So Bad? by Hairyrapunzel: 5:28pm On Sep 04, 2018 |
AutoElectNG: At the end of the day you just assumed something not even mentioned in the Bible from you extrapolation of a verse that talks about Israelites not eating blood of animals they kill for food or use as sacrifice. No jw has ever answered these questions and whenever I ask them they always refer me to a phrase in Lev 17:11 never even completing the verse. Did the Israelites eat human beings? Did the Israelites kill human beings and sacrifice them to their God? Did the Israelites throw human blood at the entrance to the temple? Please abeg answer these questions. Clearly both are medically disimilar. The similarity is that both are forms of ingestion that is to say breaking the barrier of the body. You now even have to assume that it is breaking barrier of the body when bible was specific when it said Israelites should not eat the blood of animals they kill for food. This shows you guys hold delusional assumptions made by things not in the Bible in high esteem. Do you know so many things can break the barrier of the body? But beyond the similarity or disimilarity, what seems to be in issue here is whether it is ingested orally or intravenously, the religious group is worried by doing one or the other or both, they would be disrespecting God, and so they opt to avoid either method of ingestion out of an abundance of respect for what blood represents to the maker of blood and the giver of life and irrespective of any medical advantages of the medical procedure. So did God finally say saving a humans blood is more important than saving a humans life? Blood is now regarded higher than what it represents? Let's see your analogy. out of an abundance of respect for what blood represents (life of a human being) to the maker of blood and the giver of life and irrespective of any medical advantages of the medical procedure, jws opt out of accepting blood to save their own life. In other words, it is better to die than to receive blood (life) because they assume that their God sees blood more important than their lives. Therefore a symbol takes higher recognition than what it represents to their jehovah. All these ones is because they think when they die they will wake up in imaginary Paradise earth and live forever. It seems to me that this is the real issue at hand which even courts have agreed to respect if the person involved is up to the age of reason and where he or she is not, shows that he knows his or her choice and its consequences and is willing to live with the same. The real thing is jws will deprive even their children of blood transfusion killing their children in this country. Everyone else or nearly everyone else takes blood yea. When it is needed They will not take blood through any means to show respect and reverence to God by choice the same way as others reject a couple of things out of respect for God or culture or whatever while acknowledging the rights of others with a different background to do otherwise and not forcing it or those on them.To show respect to a god who probably values blood over the lives of his true followers? Say the truth jor. They just feel if they accept blood transfusion their jehovah will slaughter them in upcoming Armageddon and that will mean kissing Paradise earth bye bye. Don't say it's any respect for any jehovah They will also be punished (disfellowshipping and shunning) here on earth for accepting blood transfusion. Stop lying to people as there is a reward and punishment system in place. It seems as has been pointed out by one other person, the right to choose and their right to choice which includes medical treatment and procedures should be respected even if not appreciated or understood or even if it is a right we do not agree with.Then why does jw say they are not a cult? Only cults will tell members the kind of medical treatment to receive or reject. It is in the end a question of faith....forcing them to take blood against their wishes makes us no better than those who sided with the Inquisitions of centuries long gone and is synonymous with religious intolerance Is anyone forcing you to take blood? Or is any body infringing on your right to choose? What we are saying is your doctrine isn't in the Bible its based on assumptions made by imperfect, uninspired and fallible men who err in doctrinal matters and organizational direction. It's a murderous practice in a false religion. You guys have been killing yourselves for nothing 5 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: Why Are Blood Transfusions So Bad? by Hairyrapunzel: 5:29pm On Sep 04, 2018 |
AutoElectNG:Did johns Hopkins or us army say blood transfusion is bad and they have abandoned it? 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: Why Are Blood Transfusions So Bad? by Hairyrapunzel: 5:35pm On Sep 04, 2018 |
Barristter07: You cannot eat blood of any creature but you can kill, sacrifice and eat any creature abi? 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: Why Are Blood Transfusions So Bad? by achorladey: 6:58pm On Sep 04, 2018 |
Seun: cc: Seun! Try compare and contrast the use of the keywords under scrutiny here....ABSTAINING At 1 Peter 2:11 the apostle admonishes: Beloved, I exhort you as aliens and temporary residents to keep ABSTAINING from fleshly desires, which are the very ones that carry on a conflict against the soul. If we were to take this expression literally, in an absolute sense, it would mean we could not satisfy any fleshly desire at all. That certainly is not the meaning of the apostle’s words. We have many “fleshly desires,” including the desire to breathe, to eat, to sleep, to enjoy recreation and a host of other desires, which are perfectly proper and good. So, “abstaining from fleshly desires” applied only in the context of what the apostle wrote, relating, not to all fleshly desires, but only to harmful, sinful desires which do indeed “carry on a conflict against the soul. DOES THIS FIT THE BLOOD ISSUE AS WELL? YOU DECIDE!!!! So, "abstaining from blood" as recorded in Acts 15:29 should apply only in the context of what Peter/James declared at that gathering relating, not to all what blood is used for back then and today, but only to harmful, sinful desires which will hinder us from prospering and having good health (as stated in the concluding part of Acts 15:29). |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: Why Are Blood Transfusions So Bad? by triplec93(m): 8:04pm On Sep 04, 2018 |
Seun, there could be various reasons that prompt asking a question, it could be to mock, show disgust, better yet for understanding etc, it's quite humane and logical that you reason about this particular issue. Which of the above reasons prompted your questioning? |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: Why Are Blood Transfusions So Bad? by triplec93(m): 8:37pm On Sep 04, 2018 |
Seun:If a doctor suggests his patient abstains from alcohol, would it make sense if she avoids taking it orally but intravenously? The word Abstinence is absolute, there are bloodless alternatives nw, and the bible says good health to those who abstain from such, sincerely speaking there are also dangers associated in blood transfusion, and studies have found out that a person who isn't infused on during surgery, heals faster than one who does, for those who respect and believe the bible as God's word, that instruction is cut clear, one's belief in God especially when well founded in the scriptures is worth dying for, (read luke 9 verse 24), for more info on this and other of our beliefs as logically explained from the bible, do well to visit jw. org under category teachings. |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: Why Are Blood Transfusions So Bad? by OneJ: 10:09pm On Sep 04, 2018 |
chemystery: First & foremost, life & blood is sacred to God. Blood is blood, whether human blood or animal blood, it serves the same functions & purposes. The same law & principles applies to them. Case 1: God's word says "Only the blood you must not eat.On the earth (dust) you should pour it out as water ..., cover it with dust " Deut 12:16,23. Lev 17:13. b) On the issue of medical lab tests, the blood is extracted ( leaves the body) for medical tests,U conduct your tests & the remnants be disposed of. That's OK. c) The law is "do not eat blood" , "abstain from blood", that is, eating, consumption of blood ,or any other means of taken in blood into your body is prohibited by God. For instance, it covers blood covenant, blood transfusion etc. U donated blood for transfusions, have U complied with "c"? The noise makers will tell U all sorts of excuses why U should do it, but in the end, Jehovah's righteous laws are contravened. Abraham knew he would lose Isaac none the less he put obedience to Jehovah above preserving the life of his only begotten son (Genesis chapter 22). That's called faith & obedience. That's the key principles JWs believe in. Love Jehovah with your whole heart , life & soul. matt22:36-40. It makes no sense to atheists & fairweather Christians. If u believe in your country so much, u can risk your life to do so. Do u equate it with suicide? |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: Why Are Blood Transfusions So Bad? by achorladey: 10:14pm On Sep 04, 2018 |
triplec93: The latest ruling on blood fractions is that made in the Watchtower, June 15, 2000, pp. 29-31 and June 15, 2004, pp. 14-23, 29-31. This ruling deals with a new definition of what can be allowed as far as blood components are concerned. It is now claimed that four “primary components”—red cells, white cells, platelets and plasma - are forbidden but that “fractions” derived from all four “primary components” are tolerated. I seek your indulgence on how does the above promote the keyword in your post........THE WORD ABSTINENCE IS ABSOLUTE. Before every other person can proceed to the website provided for more info. 7 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: Why Are Blood Transfusions So Bad? by Hairyrapunzel: 10:33pm On Sep 04, 2018 |
OneJ: Since to your jehovah animals and humans are the same that means it is not wrong to eat humans na. Cannibals are the true people of God. Which one is more important to your God? A humans life or a humans blood? |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: Why Are Blood Transfusions So Bad? by Hairyrapunzel: 11:06pm On Sep 04, 2018 |
triplec93: Please a doctor will never suggest his patient taking alcohol as it is of no use health wise neither will a patient proceed to take blood intravenously. It is an unreal situation. Alcohol isn't blood transfusion. Blood transfusion is a medical procedure prescribed by doctors only. It's a form of tissue transplant. No wonder you people have given your brains to 8 old imperfect, uninspired and fallible men who err in doctrinal matters and organizational direction they will tell you things that are meant for kindergarten children and force you to swallow hook line and sinker cos if you don't you will be disfellowshipped. How will somebody use alcohol some decides to take on his or her own to compare a medical procedure prescribed by doctors only. Na wa. Your religion is really a false one filled with so many ifs. You are not even sure of your doctrine so you use an unreal situation to make it look serious. |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: Why Are Blood Transfusions So Bad? by Hairyrapunzel: 11:20pm On Sep 04, 2018 |
OneJ:When I say your jehovah is blood thirsty you begin to cry. He even loves human blood more than human life. Interesting |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: Why Are Blood Transfusions So Bad? by AutoElectNG: 12:49am On Sep 05, 2018 |
Hairyrapunzel: Master of deflection....respond to the post appropriately and not inappropriately....this post does not dwell on John Hopkins....your point is moot....there is no relationship between the post and the response and so it cannot be dignified with a better response than this...go to the John Hopkins post to make your point to be edified with an answer as opposed to a response |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: Why Are Blood Transfusions So Bad? by OneJ: 12:53am On Sep 05, 2018 |
alBHAGDADI: Na U be God to decide which things to dey approve or disapprove ? Marital sex has God's seal of approval & sexual immorality has none. "Abstain from blood" no get clause, so receive sense ! Blood sustains the life of humans & animals. God's law & principles applies to both of them. Blood is for atonement of sins,both for humans & animals. alBAHGDADI, my questions, When U eat blood eee dey enter your body ? When u transfuse blood eee dey enter your body? When U eat food eee dey enter your body? When U do intravenous injection of saline & dextrose, eee dey enter your body? Yes or No. Reply. Since una be one flesh, why dull yourself with blood transfusion ? Since there is love in sharing, dey take menses join , na life saving blood with instanta results. |
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