engrelvis:
y r u people wasting yr time trying to reason with these atheist? Yes some pastors r bad fleecing money from gullible followers , performing fake miracles,sexually molesting their followers.poverty n starvation killing people every.Vulnerable n helpless people being oppressed n killed everyday.All these are very correct.but God ways r nt our ways.God dnt reason d way we r.Atheist need to understand dis.l believe op is still very young.Towards his old age I will luv to know his thinking.

HardMirror:
just tell me one single thing you are sure of about god. Just one thing

engrelvis:
bro is pure waste of time arguing with people like u.v met yr type before.like I said earlier I would luv to ask u same question when u r old n close to yr grave .

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YOU DON'T SAY! THIS THREAD AND MANY OTHER POSTS ON THIS FORUM AND ON THE INTERNET IN GENERAL IS SIMPLY "ATTEMPTING" TO UNLOCK THE CAGES OF PEOPLE LIKE YOU.
THE FINAL STRING WHICH HELD ME TO THE FAITH WAS CUT ON THIS THREAD.
NOT BECAUSE I BELIEVED HARDMIRROR'S EXPERIENCE BUT GOING THROUGH THIS THREAD SHOWED ME HOW PEOPLE LIKED TO COVER UP, FAKE THINGS AND POINT TO THINGS THAT AREN'T EVEN THERE.
RELIGIONS ARE ALWAYS HIDING SOMETHING. ALWAYS TEACHING YOU NOT TO ASK QUESTIONS BUT BELIEVE, WHY, BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT YOU TO KNOW.

IF IT ASKS YOU NOT TO ASK QUESTIONS BUT JUST BLINDLY ACCEPT EVERYTHING THEN THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS IT'S HIDING, AND IF IT'S HIDING SOMETHING THEN IT'S NOT TRUE.
DO NOT JUST BELIEVE, KNOW.

ikenna930:
The miracles, the signs and wonders, the wealth, Healing, casting and binding of demons which the op said he did when he was a christian...For goodness sake anybody that has faith can do that. It is not what makes you a powerful christian. People of low understanding may call you a pastor, Bishop...it doesnt mean anything.
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PastorAIO:


What miracles, what wealth, what healings? I think the thrust of the op is that these things are non existent. Can you demonstrate otherwise?

ikenna930:

my dear...Miracles exist for those that believe i just wonder how you want me to demonstrate it.
Personally i have testimonies that made me hold on to my faith. At some point in our lives a situation comes where we cant help ourselves. Nobody around us can help us either. We just come out successfully without doing anything on our own part. thats what i see as a miracle

ikenna930:

my dear...Miracles exist for those that believe i just wonder how you want me to demonstrate it.
Personally i have testimonies that made me hold on to my faith. At some point in our lives a situation comes where we cant help ourselves. Nobody around us can help us either. We just come out successfully without doing anything on our own part. thats what i see as a miracle

HardMirror:
sure. Hope you know this is a universal experience regardless of which god you serve. Even we atheists have this moments. Same with misfortune, it does not matter if you serve god or not or which ever god you serve misfortune happens to everyone. So how exactly are we to say god is this or that or responsible for this or that when all you think you know abt this so called god are what you are told.

ikenna930:

You are obviously right. I just try to tell you that there are things we cannot just understand or comprehend. That is were a supernatural being comes in. There are things u cannot just understand scientifically and other wise. That is were faith, prayers come into existence and unsurprisingly they work.
I have lots of examples to give...Dont just know if you will find them useful.
Though am a conc Christian i actually believed that a supernatural being exist before giving myself to Christ

HardMirror:
you know it is hard most especially for christians to believe many of us atheists are strong headed and would never pray no matter the situation. I have been in serious road accidents as an atheist, i have been in serious legal situations going to court and all the detention wahala. In all these i never prayed. Yet i get out of all these situations. I dont even tell my family because they are weak. Prayers dont work.

SOMETIMES I THINK OF ALL THE DREADED SITUATIONS I'VE BEEN IN AND WONDER HOW I'M STILL ALIVE.

TO BE HONEST WITH YOU THE FIRST AND ONLY THINGS THAT SWIFTLY COMES TO MY MIND DURING SUCH MOMENTS IS MY LADY AND AN IMAGINARY PICTURE OF MY FUNERAL.

PRAYERS AND DEITIES IN SERIOUS TIMES DON'T CROSS MY MIND BECAUSE MY MIND HAS LONG BEEN MADE UP - THEY'RE A WASTE OF TIME.

HardMirror:
you know it is hard most especially for christians to believe many of us atheists are strong headed and would never pray no matter the situation. I have been in serious road accidents as an atheist, i have been in serious legal situations going to court and all the detention wahala. In all these i never prayed. Yet i get out of all these situations. I dont even tell my family because they are weak. Prayers dont work.

ikenna930:

Dont say they dont work because you didnt pray on those occassions.
You know one thing about prayer is that whether d prayer is going to be answered or not the person have this strong assurance within that the situation is going to be better for good. And in most cases it work.
Now what do you say about healing and prophecies? they dont also exist

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SOMETIMES I THINK OF ALL THE DREADED SITUATIONS I'VE BEEN IN AND WONDER HOW I'M STILL ALIVE.

TO BE HONEST WITH YOU THE FIRST AND ONLY THINGS THAT SWIFTLY COMES TO MY MIND DURING SUCH MOMENTS IS MY LADY AND AN IMAGINARY PICTURE OF MY FUNERAL.

PRAYERS AND DEITIES IN SERIOUS TIMES DON'T CROSS MY MIND BECAUSE MY MIND HAS LONG BEEN MADE UP - THEY'RE A WASTE OF TIME.

ikenna930:

And after you came over them what happened? i knw Life just continued and maybe u will just beat ur chest.
Has something ever humbled you before?
i had a friend dt was hepB+...And he got admission to do his M.Sc in Canada. U dare not pass their medicals if you hv hepatitis. This my guy is in Canada right now doing his M.Sc.
Prayers Work. Christ Heals

ikenna930:

And after you came over them what happened? i knw Life just continued and maybe u will just beat ur chest.
Has something ever humbled you before?
i had a friend dt was hepB+...And he got admission to do his M.Sc in Canada. U dare not pass their medicals if you hv hepatitis. This my guy is in Canada right now doing his M.Sc.
Prayers Work. Christ Heals

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I HAVE A FRIEND THAT IS HIV+
HE GOT ADMISSION TO DO HIS PHD IN MOSCOW.
YOU DARE NOT PASS THEIR MEDICALS IF YOU HAVE HIV. HE'S IN MOSCOW NOW STUDYING.
PRAYERS WORK. MUHAMMAD HEALS.
ALLAHU AKBAR!

HardMirror:
no, no, no... not cos i dont pray, but because prayers dont work. You pray or not what happens happens. Prayers may make you feel better, but they dont work. That is why prayers are selective. Those things you think you get answers for are stuff that can happen on anyway to anyone no matter how slim the probability, as long as the probability is there, then it can happen. But can a beheaded man resurrect? Lol! Can an amputee be prayed for for limb regrowth? Lol! Come on, lets stop kidding ourselves. Prayers wont save you from car accidents, has done nothing about boko haram. Millions of believers are getting solutions in hospitals everyday not from prayers. If prayers work, why are there so many people in hospitals? Many thought god had cured their cancer and they stopped taking treatments only to end up dying of the same cancer. Cut me a slack bro. I was not born yesterday, seen my fair share of life and know believers only give god glory for nothing.

HardMirror:
lolz! Funny they think only christians have such stories to tell.

HardMirror:
no, no, no... not cos i dont pray, but because prayers dont work. You pray or not what happens happens. Prayers may make you feel better, but they dont work. That is why prayers are selective. Those things you think you get answers for are stuff that can happen on anyway to anyone no matter how slim the probability, as long as the probability is there, then it can happen. But can a beheaded man resurrect? Lol! Can an amputee be prayed for for limb regrowth? Lol! Come on, lets stop kidding ourselves. Prayers wont save you from car accidents, has done nothing about boko haram. Millions of believers are getting solutions in hospitals everyday not from prayers. If prayers work, why are there so many people in hospitals? Many thought god had cured their cancer and they stopped taking treatments only to end up dying of the same cancer. Cut me a slack bro. I was not born yesterday, seen my fair share of life and know believers only give god glory for nothing.

ikenna930:

Believe what you chose to believe. I am a living testimony. It works for me. i dont know about other religions but Christianity is damn beautiful. I couldnt hv asked for something better.
am a Microbiologist, somethings can only be b done by God. If you dont understand nor believe then no one can do it for you.

ikenna930:

Exactly what am saying. There is a supreme being. but someone telling that these cases are mere coincidences make me start wondering

OUR PROBLEM WITH YOU IS NOT THAT YOU BELIEVE IN A SUPREME BEING.

OUR PROBLEM IS THAT YOU'VE LOOKED AROUND AND CONCLUDED THAT THERE'S A SUPERNATURAL BEING BEHIND THE CREATION AND OPERATIONS OF THE UNIVERSE, AND SOMEHOW, IT'S THE GOD OF YOUR MOTHER'S RELIGION.
IT'S JUST TOO SILLY NOT TO BE RIDICULED.

HardMirror:
sweet. Glad you are in the medical line. Dated a nurse at the time when there was a wide spread methanol poisoning in ondo town, ondo state. I recall she telling me it was spiritual even tho she was a graduate of LAUTECH. I insisted there was nothing spiritual about those deaths. Some days later WHO came up with their investigation results telling the world it was methanol poisoning. When you guys continue this mumbo jumbo nonsense of religion over professionalism, you end up undermining true solutions to the problems of humanity. Jesus in all his useless wisdom made all problems spiritual, he never told use things called micro organisms exist and are responsible for a lot of health issues humanity faces.
Wake up and smell the coffee.

HardMirror:
sweet. Glad you are in the medical line. Dated a nurse at the time when there was a wide spread methanol poisoning in ondo town, ondo state. I recall she telling me it was spiritual even tho she was a graduate of LAUTECH. I insisted there was nothing spiritual about those deaths. Some days later WHO came up with their investigation results telling the world it was methanol poisoning. When you guys continue this mumbo jumbo nonsense of religion over professionalism, you end up undermining true solutions to the problems of humanity. Jesus in all his useless wisdom made all problems spiritual, he never told use things called micro organisms exist and are responsible for a lot of health issues humanity faces.
Wake up and smell the coffee.

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OUR PROBLEM WITH YOU IS NOT THAT YOU BELIEVE IN A SUPREME BEING.

OUR PROBLEM IS THAT YOU'VE LOOKED AROUND AND CONCLUDED THAT THERE'S A SUPERNATURAL BEING BEHIND THE CREATION AND OPERATIONS OF THE UNIVERSE, AND SOMEHOW, IT'S THE GOD OF YOUR MOTHER'S RELIGION.
IT'S JUST TOO SILLY NOT TO BE RIDICULED.

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OUR PROBLEM WITH YOU IS NOT THAT YOU BELIEVE IN A SUPREME BEING.

OUR PROBLEM IS THAT YOU'VE LOOKED AROUND AND CONCLUDED THAT THERE'S A SUPERNATURAL BEING BEHIND THE CREATION AND OPERATIONS OF THE UNIVERSE, AND SOMEHOW, IT'S THE GOD OF YOUR MOTHER'S RELIGION.
IT'S JUST TOO SILLY NOT TO BE RIDICULED.

ikenna930:

So how does you lady's ignorance hv to do with the fact Jesus heals. no religion attached, am a proffessional in my field. God never said sickness will not exist...Drugs do not exist...These are ignorant christians. U are making valid points dear. ...The bible says..Because of lack of knowledge my ppl die. U just explained it beta