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Did You Know...... by Tollzara(m): 12:53am On Sep 27, 2018
Perception isn't reality, but our reality is what we perceive. We usually can't see beyond our senses, and even worse is the fact that we are permanent prisoners of our own minds. Evidence is not proof. It rarely goes beyond the world of mere appearances and apparent reality. It is more superficial than it is deep. For this reason, you'll see thousands of innocents on the death row, thousands of criminals acquitted by the most honest courts. No one has the "God Eye View", and Nietzsche scored a bull's eye when he declared that humanity has no organ of truth. More often than not, evidence has brought about the very death of truth. Crimes have been committed and innocent lifes squashed on the altar of "honest facts" and "irrefutable evidence".

And here comes the saddest part: evidence is not proof, but you can't objectively "prove" anything to anyone without "evidence", even though evidence itself is proof of its own fallibility and unreliability.

So, few days ago, I created this thread https://www.nairaland.com/4745306/pregnancy-result in an attempt to see men's reaction to female-on-male rape, how conscious they can be of its reality, and how despicable and how much of a big deal they would find it to be. But, lo and behold, my guys didn't see the crime. grin Rather, they considered themselves the ones in problem in any such scenario - because, apparently, they've impregnated a lady, and they will have to be a father. The horror. The horror. Niggas so scared of making women gravid, so much that they forgot, or totally missed the fact, that it was the lady who had actually raped them. grin They've been unconsciously programmed by society to take male rape for granted.

I've observed this phenomenon for a while now. Male rape is never a serious issue. Some people even consider it absurd and impossible. Very minimal attention is paid to it, and it never triggers as much outrage as the most primitive forms of female sexual harassment. I consider this outright wrong and dangerous, and would really love to draw people's attention to it.

Did you know that in America and Britain, if a woman rapes you and gets pregnant afterwards, you'll be forced to pay child support to your rapist? It is an obligation on your part, you see. You have no say in the matter. It doesn't matter that you never consented to the sex that has made you a father by providential accident. Heck, there have been cases where even underage boys are made to pay child support to their rapists.

Is this just? Isn't it detestable? Isn't it crazy? Isn't it absurd? Why does anyone tolerate it? What kind of madness? Shouldn't this injustice be fought against? Why is no one fighting it in the West? Why are such barbaric, extremely biased laws not met with aggressive opposition? What do you think about it?

And here's an even sadder and interesting fact. Did you know that it is extremely difficult, if not impossible, to prove female-on-male rape through medical evidence? Because even the slightest vaginal skin tear can be taken advantage of by your rapist, in which she can turn the tables on you by playing the victim while accusing you of rape. grin So the medical "evidence" available can even destroy you after you've been wronged. That's why I called it sad, because there's probably nothing anyone can do about this. cry

So, what are your thoughts? Shouldn't our blood boil when male rape is reported, as much as it does when the female is the victim? Do you think our lack of sensitivity and tolerance towards it that makes us take it for granted is dangerous and disturbing, or do you consider it harmless and my worries needless? Do you believe a man should pay child support even though he was raped? Do you think something should be done about such stupid laws? And if you're a male responding, what would you do about the pregnancy resulting from such distasteful, criminal violation of your right?

Cc. MissWrite
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Re: Did You Know...... by WetinConsignMe: 12:56am On Sep 27, 2018
Another confused soul grin
Re: Did You Know...... by Tollzara(m): 1:00am On Sep 27, 2018
WetinConsignMe:
Another confused soul grin
Is that your name? undecided

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Re: Did You Know...... by WetinConsignMe: 1:12am On Sep 27, 2018
Tollzara:
Is that your name? undecided
Ok, good effort. Just felt like saying something saucy smiley
Re: Did You Know...... by Tollzara(m): 1:13am On Sep 27, 2018
WetinConsignMe:

Ok, good effort. Just felt like saying something saucy smiley
Okay. Sorry for being too serious. smiley
Re: Did You Know...... by WetinConsignMe: 3:01am On Sep 27, 2018
Tollzara:
Okay. Sorry for being too serious. smiley

Not at all. I know I deserved it.
Re: Did You Know...... by CAPSLOCKED: 10:37am On Sep 27, 2018
NICE POST, ZARA.
I'M JUST GONNA WAIT FOR THE REST TO TYPE CUS YOU KNOW, BETWEEN ME AND YOU, THERE'S VERY LITTLE OR NOTHING WE CAN DO ABOUT THIS SUBJECT.
IT'S AN ADVANTAGE FOR WOMEN AND IT LOOKS LIKE IT'LL ALWAYS BE.
Re: Did You Know...... by Nobody: 10:58am On Sep 27, 2018
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Re: Did You Know...... by Nobody: 10:58am On Sep 27, 2018
Lemme park here .


I'm coming grin
Re: Did You Know...... by Offpoint: 11:05am On Sep 27, 2018
cry
Re: Did You Know...... by highqueen(f): 11:06am On Sep 27, 2018
Just gonna observe
Re: Did You Know...... by highqueen(f): 11:07am On Sep 27, 2018
MariaLavina:
Lemme park here .



I'm coming grin
Only you get two parking spaces.cheesy
Re: Did You Know...... by Nobody: 11:08am On Sep 27, 2018
highqueen:

Only you get two parking spaces.cheesy
Don't mind me, na my engine dey hip cup grin
Re: Did You Know...... by highqueen(f): 11:10am On Sep 27, 2018
MariaLavina:
Don't mind me, na my engine dey hip coup grin
Loool.
Thought as much.
Re: Did You Know...... by Nobody: 11:12am On Sep 27, 2018
highqueen:
Loool. Thought as much.
grin grin Let's go before we derail this thread grin
Re: Did You Know...... by EsteemHook(m): 11:16am On Sep 27, 2018
This is very disturbing. But I'd like you to give instances or reasons for this assertion.

Thanks.

Did you know that in America and Britain, if a woman rapes you and gets pregnant afterwards, you'll be forced to pay child support to your rapist? It is an obligation on your part, you see. You have no say in the matter. It doesn't matter that you never consented to the sex that has made you a father by providential accident. Heck, there have been cases where even underage boys are made to pay child support to their rapists.
Re: Did You Know...... by highqueen(f): 11:20am On Sep 27, 2018
MariaLavina:
grin grin
Let's go before we derail this thread grin
You know, if i had wanted to derail it, it won't take me anything.grin

Make i deh observe sha.cheesy
Re: Did You Know...... by Nobody: 11:23am On Sep 27, 2018
highqueen:
You know, if i had wanted to derail it, it won't take me anything.grin
Make i deh observe sha.cheesy
I know you nah grin
I will mention you on a thread worth derailing soon grin
Re: Did You Know...... by highqueen(f): 11:26am On Sep 27, 2018
MariaLavina:
I know you nah grin

I will mention you on a thread worth derailing soon grin
Lol,make i go get my lap top.grin
Re: Did You Know...... by GrammarNazi1(m): 11:50am On Sep 27, 2018
MariaLavina:
Lemme park here .



I'm coming grin
You're coming?

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Re: Did You Know...... by Tollzara(m): 12:34pm On Sep 27, 2018
Re: Did You Know...... by Tollzara(m): 12:40pm On Sep 27, 2018
Offpoint:
cry
Now, you get my reason for that joke?

You guys didn't even notice. It's a subconscious program. cry
Re: Did You Know...... by Tollzara(m): 12:46pm On Sep 27, 2018
CAPSLOCKED:
NICE POST, ZARA.
I'M JUST GONNA WAIT FOR THE REST TO TYPE CUS YOU KNOW, BETWEEN ME AND YOU, THERE'S VERY LITTLE OR NOTHING WE CAN DO ABOUT THIS SUBJECT.
IT'S AN ADVANTAGE FOR WOMEN AND IT LOOKS LIKE IT'LL ALWAYS BE.
Always be like that? Never, bro. It must be fought against. What kind of evil and tyranny is that? You raped me and went ahead and give birth to a baby without my consent? And you want to impose it on me? And the useless state is backing you? What a worthless legal system. Crazy Laws. Stupid, in fact.

If a lady rapes me and gets pregnant, she must abort it regardless of her will or Interest. I don't care about her rights to her body or whatever. Abortion is compulsory. I don't want to have a child when I'm not ready or didn't plan for it, and I don't want to have a child with my DNA somewhere out there, without me looking out for it.

The only way I can accept it is if she has already given birth to the child. In which case I will have no choice, not because she is not an evil witch, but because I don't have the mind to reject my own child. I can't live with it. It's not possible.

This is ridiculous rubbish that can fück with a man's psyche, and I find it very offensive. Beats me how people can take it for granted. Are American men moröns? undecided
Re: Did You Know...... by kkins25(m): 1:15pm On Sep 27, 2018
I don't know, should we even give in any effort at all to counter this.
The cases of male rape compared to number of female rape is neglidable. I cant even imagine a man getting raped by a female. Even though im well aware such cases exist. How can the man proof he was raped? Would there be worn tissue? Would there be bruises? Would there be fractured bones? It is very unlikely that the cases of male rape would ever be looked into.
Re: Did You Know...... by Nobody: 1:39pm On Sep 27, 2018
GrammarNazi1:
You're coming?
You Perv! grin grin


How have you been? smiley
Re: Did You Know...... by GrammarNazi1(m): 1:48pm On Sep 27, 2018
MariaLavina:
You Perv! grin grin



How have you been? smiley
You know I'm no pervert.

Fine.
Re: Did You Know...... by Tollzara(m): 1:53pm On Sep 27, 2018
GrammarNazi1:
You know I'm no pervert.
Fine.
You and your sweetheart are derailing my thread, sir. smiley
Re: Did You Know...... by Dami12345: 3:46pm On Sep 27, 2018
Tollzara:
You and your sweetheart are derailing my thread, sir. smiley

@ tollzara.
This issue is a big one that only guys who have falling deep in it understand the pains.
I was banned a few months ago because I tried to show a certain degree of appreciation for the fact that male rape should be taken seriously, my posts were deleted and I was given a short ban.
I had many mentions which I couldn't reply which sucked as the foolish admins took it upon themselves to censor a " free thought forum".

I was of the opinion that if my way was wrong the community would bring valid points that I would be forced to reconsider my stand.
Not surprising was that many people agreed with my post and felt the need to like and share them before I got banned. Some were even banned for shedding more light on my insight and giving their stories in how they were molested while younger by women who are living happier ever after.
However from others all I got was abuses, ( if which I would have destroyed the senders with replies but luckily I got banned)

I've come to the conclusion PERSONALLY that should I or my own fall into such situation, I will cheat, connive, blackmail and do whatever it takes to get out. Because the law isn't fair and I see no reason to add my blood to those of the innocent on the altar of injustice.

I have seen girls get pregnant to tie a young budding guy who only started to make some money.
Some guys are just even doing NYSE when these girls try to destroy them, sometimes its not even the man's child.

So all is fair in love and war.

On another thought, few years ago the prison time of rape in south Africa was more that the time for murder.
I wondered to myself that should a lady try to take advantage of such a law to tie me by claiming i raped her wouldn't it be saner to kill her than to prove the unprovable that I didn't rape her cry

Am not saying this is right, but when it comes down to it, going to jail for a crime you didn't do and escaping and punishing your accuser, what would anyone pick.


Solution.
The singular solution to this problem must come at a time when men will all be asked to go and do DNA test for their kids, the outrage from the test results would enable the passing of several laws which would be beneficial in equalling the playing Field.

Thanks for the mention.
Would have replied earlier if I saw it.
Modified due to typos.*

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Re: Did You Know...... by MissWrite(f): 5:44pm On Sep 27, 2018
Nice article.

Of course, we should be outraged when men are raped by women. The dirty thing about rape is not necessarily the physical assault, but the fact that one is dehumanized by stripping them of the right to their own bodies. Even if it takes only a few minutes, it can wreck a person’s self-esteem beyond repair. And both men and women are capable of feeling this abuse equally. So, when men are raped by women, it should never be seen as a less serious crime.

Unfortunately (for men; or for humanity), women have a head start in being taken seriously for a series unfortunate reasons. A victim is identified by damages; and long before we took even the woman’s emotional and psychological damages into account, the damage as a result of rape was “the ruin” of a woman. That’s a damage defined by patriarchal values (stipulating that a woman should be pure). A man would never be ruined. He is instead, the ‘ruiner’. And that is his position of strength: that he can engage in the same act (with a woman) and not be stained by it. Would the woman ever be the offender?

Since offense is to be taken, I doubt it.

Men don’t want to be seen as victims. That’s why they would not recognize the scenario you painted on that thread. To accept that a woman has the power to shatter a man’s integrity in any way (to take something that isn’t given, and thereby reduce his self-worth) would be daunting; some men would rather live the lie and pretend that it does not matter. And if they believe that it doesn’t matter (since, in a patriarchal culture, a man’s opinion is all that ultimately counts) it really won’t matter. Women can’t pretend that they have not been shattered by rape; the repercussions for the ‘ruined woman’ were not decided by women. Because of this, women are way more likely than men are to embrace their other traumas (psychological and emotional; which are regardless real) in order to own the indignation (rather than let it be derived). Men might refuse to focus on the fact that they have been violated; and therefore, they would suffer no indignation. This does not apply to children. They have a less robust psyche that denial won’t cure. Because even though they are boys, they accept their vulnerability to adults in general.

For some men, giving into the fact that they can be raped by women would be synonymous to relinquishing power – the claim to indestructibility. So while they may joke about it when women try to get steeper punishment for rapists, they don’t want to be lumped in a category of equal vulnerability. I foresee the House of Men to be divided on this issue for a while longer.

Where proof is concerned, the physical evidence will always be less than solid. For both sexes really. Because we assume that a woman is never aroused when raped and always aroused when she says “yes”. And that is not always the case. Evidence of violence on other parts of the body is usually a dead giveaway; so are traces of rohypnol or even certain levels of alcohol. With such fragile markers, rape is best reported as soon as possible. And, yes; men who become fathers through rape should not be forced to pay child support. They should be given the opportunity to decide whether or not to keep the pregnancy. And if they decide not to, they should relinquish all paternal rights. If they do accept the pregnancy, the act should not mitigate the punishment of the rapist.

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Re: Did You Know...... by Tollzara(m): 7:38pm On Sep 27, 2018
MissWrite:
Nice article.

Of course, we should be outraged when men are raped by women. The dirty thing about rape is not necessarily the physical assault, but the fact that one is dehumanized by stripping them of the right to their own bodies. Even if it takes only a few minutes, it can wreck a person’s self-esteem beyond repair. And both men and women are capable of feeling this abuse equally. So, when men are raped by women, it should never seen as a less serious crime.
Exactly. This is why I get really disgusted by people who want to tell a rape victim or victim of sexual harassment how to react.

"He simply touched your boobs, I'm sure it didn't even hurt. What's the big deal?"

"She caressed your penįs. Why are you pretending that you didn't enjoy it? You're over reacting."

They want to measure the damage done for you, because apparently, they know how you feel, and how you should feel. They know when it should hurt you and when it should not, and apparently have super powers that make them creep into your mind like maggots and see what's going on there.

Unfortunately (for men; or for humanity), women have a head start in being taken seriously for a series unfortunate reason. A victim is identified by damages; and long before we took even the woman’s emotional and psychological damages into account, the damage as a result of rape was “the ruin” of a woman. That’s a damage defined by patriarchal values (stipulating that a woman should be pure). A man would never be ruined. He is instead, the ‘ruiner’. And that is his position of strength: that he can engage in the same act (with a woman) and not be stained by it. Would the woman ever be the offender?

Since offense is to be taken, I doubt it.

Men don’t want to be seen as victims. That’s why they would not recognize the scenario you painted on that thread. To accept that a woman has the power to shatter a man’s integrity in any way (to take something that isn’t given, and thereby reduce his self-worth) would be daunting; some men would rather live the lie and pretend that it does not matter. And if they believe that it doesn’t matter (since, in a patriarchal culture, a man’s opinion is all that ultimately counts) it really won’t matter. Women can’t pretend that they have not been shattered by rape; the repercussions for the ‘ruined woman’ were not decided by women. Because of this, women are way more likely than men are to embrace their other traumas (psychological and emotional; which are regardless real) in order to own the indignation (rather than let it be derived). Men might refuse to focus on the fact that they have been violated; and therefore, they would suffer no indignation. This does not apply to children. They have a less robust psyche that denial won’t cure. Because even though they are boys, they accept their vulnerability to adults in general.

For some men, giving into the fact that they can be raped by women would be synonymous to relinquishing power – the claim to indestructibility. So while they may joke about it when women try to get steeper punishment for rapists, they don’t want to be lumped in a category of equal vulnerability. I foresee the House of Men to be divided on this issue for a while longer.
This is golden because it is true. The simple experiment I carried out on that thread already established that fact. You're very right, and that's quite disturbing. Nevertheless, I won't stop fighting it. Patriachial stupidity was not only dangerous for the female folk afferall. It was a brand of stupidity that was always pregnant with fatality at every point in time. Men who think like this need to be aggressively opposed. Not only that, they need the perfect lobotomy. I can bleed as much as women do. I can shed as much tears, and feel just as much. Those who live in denial are only killing themselves, and also help in propagating the myth that scars more fools and punctures more psyches. Even that is a recipe for even more disaster.

Where proof is concerned, the physical evidence will always be less than solid. For both sexes really. Because we assume that a woman is never aroused when raped and always aroused when she says “yes”. And that is not always the case. Evidence of violence on other parts of the body is usually a dead giveaway; so are traces of rohypnol or even certain levels of alcohol. With such fragile markers, rape is best reported as soon as possible. And, yes; men who become fathers through rape should not be forced to pay child support. They should be given the opportunity to decide whether or not to keep the pregnancy. And if they decide not to, they should relinquish all paternal rights. If they do accept the pregnancy, the act should not mitigate the punishment of the rapist.
I concur.

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Re: Did You Know...... by CAPSLOCKED: 8:13pm On Sep 27, 2018
Tollzara:
Always be like that? Never, bro. It must be fought against. What kind of evil and tyranny is that? You raped me and went ahead and give birth to a baby without my consent? And you want to impose it on me? And the useless state is backing you? What a worthless legal system. Crazy Laws. Stupid, in fact.

If a lady rapes me and gets pregnant, she must abort it regardless of her will or Interest. I don't care about her rights to her body or whatever. Abortion is compulsory. I don't want to have a child when I'm not ready or didn't plan for it, and I don't want to have a child with my DNA somewhere out there, without me looking out for it.

The only way I can accept it is if she has already given birth to the child. In which case I will have no choice, not because she is not an evil witch, but because I don't have the mind to reject my own child. I can't live with it. It's not possible.

This is ridiculous rubbish that can fück with a man's psyche, and I find it very offensive. Beats me how people can take it for granted. Are American men moröns? undecided

I'M SURE YOU'VE HEARD ABOUT FALSE RAPE ALLEGATIONS. MANY MEN HAVE GONE TO JAIL AFTER LOSING MONEY AND DEALS CUS THEY WERE FALSELY ACCUSED. WHEN A GIRL RAPES YOU AND GETS PREGNANT SHE COULD TURN IT ON YOU, AND IF IT'S PROVEN THAT THE BABY IS YOURS WHEN IT'S DELIVERED YOU'VE GOT TO TAKE CARE OF IT. THERE'S NOT MUCH YOU CAN DO. WORSE IS WHEN THERE'S A BABY AND A RAPE CASE THAT YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT. YOU GONNA BE PUNISHED FULL TIME LIKE "BRIAN BANKS". YOU CAN CHECK HIM OUT WITH GOOGLE. STILL FEEL SORRY FOR THE MAN I CAN'T IMAGINE WHAT HE WENT THROUGH.
YOU CAN HAVE ALL THE EVIDENCE THAT YOU DIDN'T DO SHĮT, THE ONLY EVIDENCE SHE NEEDS IS TEARS AND MORE TEARS.. AND SHE GONNA FÜCK THINGS UP FOR YOU.
BEST THING IS TO BE CAREFUL WITH THESE VULTURES AND AVOID GETTING INTO TROUBLE.
THAT'S HOW THE SYSTEM WORKS. WE CAN FIGHT ALL WE WANT, BUT JUST KNOW EVEN IF WE GONNA WIN, VICTORY WON'T COME EASILY.

WHO EVER DESIGNED THINGS THIS WAY IS THE BIGGEST OF MORØNS.

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