I never knew Ibibios are more than Ijaws

oilPUSSY:

OK,..Argue with CIA.

Lol. Who gives a shyt about CIA?? When investors need data to guide their investment decisions, they won't consult the CIA. Rather, they will sift through up-to-date data like the one I provided up there (in the absence of a recent census) because it is more detailed and closest to the reality on the ground.

scholes0:


It still won't cover up all the deficit in the telecoms data figures. the gap between the SW and the others is just too much. Besides, what about the Yorubas in other regions too. Let all of us start extrapolating the figures for our different diaspora na.

Like seriously this was what the figures were in 2016
1* LAGOS - 12,620,662
2* OGUN - 5,629,424
3* OYO - 4,908,092
4* KADUNA - 4,231,710
5* KANO - 4,134,266

6* F.C.T - 4,132,172
7* RIVERS - 3,853,300
8* NIGER - 3,301,721
9* DELTA - 3,225,365
10* EDO - 3,144,922

11* ANAMBRA - 2,608,805
12* BENUE - 2,424,091
13* OSUN - 2,284,205
14* ONDO - 2,240,949
15* NASARAWA - 2,175,394

16* KWARA - 2,115,199
17* KOGI - 2,040,082
18* IMO - 2,023,867
19* ABIA - 2,010,551
20* PLATEAU - 1,921,857

21* KATSINA - 1,887,194
22* ENUGU - 1,873,467
23* AKWA IBOM - 1,861,330
24* ADAMAWA - 1,621,508
25* BAUCHI - 1,559,609

26* CROSS RIVER - 1,375,251
27* BORNO - 1,347,355
28* SOKOTO - 1,264,793
29* KEBBI - 1,162,543
30* TARABA - 1,154,720

31* GOMBE - 1,063,522
32* JIGAWA - 898,399
33* EKITI - 879,702
34* ZAMFARA - 851,669
35* EBONYI - 796,519
36* BAYELSA - 732,777

37* YOBE - 694,631
** OTHERS (UNIDENTIFIED) - 373,113

Total Nigeria Active Internet Subscriptions: 92,424,736

REGIONS:
South West = 28,563,034 Active Internet Subscriptions (31.0%)
South South = 14,192,945 Active Internet Subscriptions (15.35%)
South East = 9,313,209 Active Internet Subscriptions (10.0%)

North West = 14,430,574 Active Internet Subscriptions (15.61%)
North Central = 13,978,344 Active Internet Subscriptions (15.12%)
North East = 7,441,345 Active Internet Subscriptions (8.05%)

F.C.T = 4,132,172 Active Internet Subscriptions (4.47%)

Na wa oo. What concerns this with ethnic population? I thought yorubas were educated

scholes0:


even if we assume an headcount actually happened in 1921. for goodness sakes do you kow the difference between 1921 and now? Thats a friggin century.
Within that same time frame, Nigeria has gone from nowhere on the world list of most populated countries to number 7 globally. Heck in 1921 England was more populated than Nigeria plus Ghana plus Liberia plus Sierra Leone, not to mention the whole of the UK. And here you are quoting population figures from that ara like it is supposed to hod any statistical value?

You are confused

RockHard:


I am using that data I posted earlier from the telecoms companies as a guide, not 2006 census bro.

What concern telecom company with ethnic population?

scholes0:


lol, ok so you finally admit the stat is false, but also finally reveal you are just here to argue that Igbos are more than Yorubas in Nigeria, which is false.

"Finally" Check the moniker you are quoting before you type

MXrep:

What concern telecom company with ethnic population?

If you are too daft to get the gist, then there's no point even indulging your ignorance.

RockHard:


Look here, even if we are to dash igbos 4 to 5-million out of the SW numbers, they will still fall far short compared to Yorubas in the SW coz like I said in my earlier post, Oyo and Ogun alone are more than the entire SE numbers from that data. Add another 5-million from the rest of the country and una go still fall short of the SW.

It is clear you have never left SW all your life

RockHard:


If you are too daft to get the gist, then there's no point even indulging your ignorance.

Your resort to insult proves you have no gist

MXrep:

It is clear you have never left SW all your life

Yorubas don't have to leave the SW to prove any point. Even without including Yoruba population in other parts of Nigeria, we still dust una hands down with our SW population alone.

RockHard:


Lol. Who gives a shyt about CIA?? When investors need data to guide their investment decisions, they won't consult the CIA. Rather, they will sift through up-to-date data like the one I provided up there (in the absence of a recent census) because it is more detailed and closest to the reality on the ground.

Dude go and sleep and stop confusing yourself

MXrep:

Your resort to insult proves you have no gist

I am sorry if I offended you, just that I don't have the time to be going back and forth. I know you are just looking for someone to argue with, but I have to go get some shut-eye (its way past my bedtime), so pardon me if I can't indulge you right now.

RockHard:


Yorubas don't have to leave the SW to prove any point. Even without including Yoruba population in other parts of Nigeria, we still dust una hands down with our SW population alone.

Ethnic population is not restricted to a geographical location

RockHard:


I am sorry if I offended you, just that I don't have the time to be going back and forth. I know you are just looking for someone to argue with, but I have to go get some shut-eye (its way past my bedtime), so pardon me if I can't indulge you right now.

Ya that is what you need cos you have no points

MXrep:

Ethnic population is not restricted to a geographical location

That is why I said even if the SW 'dashes' igbos 5-million out of our total SW population (going by that data I presented), una go still fall far short. Oyo and Ogun combined telecoms data subscribers outnumber those of the entire SE states combined. That's just two states in the SW. The 4 remaining SW states (as well as Kwara and YOruba-speaking Kogi) have a combined telecoms subscriber base of atleast 28-million. If you still don't get it, then I cannot help you. I dey go to bed.

There are igbos spread all over the country.
From the north, south, west, and the middle belt.

Significant igbo numbers everywhere.

Those numbers are conservative.

But given the fact that igbos are mostly Christian which should play a significant role in monogamy and birth rate compared to the other majority ethnics, we should be third largest.

We don't procreate anyhow like the other two.

scholes0:


1 No population headcount happened in 1921. What happened then is probably same as what just happened now, Difference being ignorant colonists vs Ignorant American government agency making..... Yes, Guesses.. Besides I am not saying the US agency is biased or superficial, I am just simply saying the figures are most likely wrong. Which is very very possible. Heck, the best of their intelligence units can't even get a simple election result right under their noses right.

2- If it is actually a RESEARCH like you claim it is, where is the methodology and report, or better still How and when was it done like the OP rightly asked?

3 how can you possibly believe Igalas are more than URHOBOS, Nupes or even Edos? Common be serious.... #*Stern Face*

1) it very well did happen in 1921.

Nigeria Population: 1921 CENSUS.
1] Hausa/Fulani - 2,000,000 [Including Kano: 1,112,000]
2] Yoruba ---------- 2,113,000
3] Igbo ------------- 3,927,000
4] Edo ----------------- 472,000
5] Ibibio --------------- 960,000
6] Ijaw ----------------- 174,000

Extrapolate this information using any Mathematics formula, it is clear that all the Census from late 50s are just mere allocation of numbers.

Igbos are the Biggest Black nation (tribe) in the world.
Facts are facts. - @Chidi2Chidi

Courtesy: Oxford University, Cambridge Bookshop & British Museum.

https://www.nairaland.com/3911992/nigeria-population-1921-census-pics

As of 1921, the Igbo tribe was the single largest tribe in Northern and Southern Nigeria, even with the Hausa and Fulani combined. Yoruba came second and Hausa a distant third, despite the Igbo ethnic group losing about 1.4m people to the slave trade.

Today's census results, if properly conducted, should mirror the above. There's a reason, 'state of origin' is conspicuously missing from census forms but rather 'state of residence' is used instead, to take advantage of non-indigenous populations found in states where non indigenes abound plenty and create a false population increase in those states, knowing full well that nearly half of the Igbo population is located outside of the SE zone. The reason given by Former President Obasanjo was, '...by doing so it would be controversial'. I guess he knew why but wouldn't admit to it directly.

2) I wouldn't term the above 'ignorant'. I would consider any 'census result' conducted by the Nigerian government with a grain of salt.

I've always believed that the Igbo population is not the third largest as has been ascribed to them for decades since 1960.

RockHard:


That is why I said even if the SW 'dashes' igbos 5-million out of our total SW population (going by that data I presented), una go still fall far short. Oyo and Ogun combined telecoms data subscribers outnumber those of the entire SE states combined. That's just two states in the SW. The 4 remaining SW states (as well as Kwara and YOruba-speaking Kogi) have a combined telecoms subscriber base of atleast 28-million. If you still don't get it, then I cannot help you. I dey go to bed.

You should really go and sleep oga.

RTSC:
There are igbos spread all over the country.
From the north, south, west, and the middle belt.

Significant igbo numbers everywhere.

Those numbers are conservative.

But given the fact that igbos are mostly Christian which should play a significant role in monogamy and birth rate compared to the other majority ethnics, we should be third largest. Secondly polygamy reduced among igbos only recently. Most of us have polygamous fathers and grandfathers

We don't procreate anyhow like the other two.

And you forgot we have highest life expectancy too.

MXrep:

And you forgot we have highest life expectancy too.

Benefit of a more civilised religion and way of life.

alsudan:
Clearly shows Hausa's are the most populated by a mile, then why has the Fulani's conquered all of the Hausa's and half of the Yoruba's? Daura a once Hausa Emirate and Ilorin for the Yoruba's been a perfect example.

Do you know Hausa as a lang is being spoken in as far as Mali? Those people like to migrate down to Nigeria for better opportunity due to the arid nature of their lands and that explains a lot about Hausa's.

We need to do our own surveys

bigfrancis21:


In other words, if the Hausa-Fulani population is broken down individually, the Hausas could probably be at about 13.9% and Fulanis at 13.5%, thus making the Igbo the single largest ethnic group in Nigeria.

Another question is if the Igbo figure includes Igbo speakers in SS (Anioma, Rivers, Bayelsa, Cross River, Akwa Ibom, Edo) and middle belt (Kogi and Benue States) who number anywhere from 3m to 5m. If these speakers are excluded and we are to include them, the Igbo percentage might as well be at 16% to 18%.

Cc Scholes0
Afam4eva
Probs

The conclusion is very wrong. Both Hausa and Fulani Statistics are stated explicitly (@ the bold statement).

@ at the italicized, the assumption is also faulty. Ethnic group is the basis of the estimate, not States or region. So, referring to Igbo leaving in those other States has no relevance to what the Statistics provided is saying. I see emotion mixed with logic in your analysis. It shouldn't be on a public forum.

Eziokwu1:


But Nigerians like quoting the same old CIA figures that said Igbos are only 18% while Hausa-Fulani are 29% of Nigeria. lolz

Anything Igbo-phobic must be correct, according to zoo logic


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Academicwizman:


The conclusion is very wrong. Both Hausa and Fulani Statistics are stated explicitly (@ the bold statement).

@ at the italicized, the assumption is also faulty. Ethnic group is the basis of the estimate, not States or region. So, referring to Igbo leaving in those other States has no relevance to what the Statistics provided is saying. I see emotion mixed with logic in your analysis. It shouldn't be on a public forum.

1) If you were patient enough to scroll further down, you would have seen where I ackowledged the difference.

2) There is nothing emotional about asking if the Igbo figure stated includes speakers in SS and the middle belt region, knowing that speakers in these areas are sometimes excluded from 'mainstream Igbos', although I see no difference. I see no point in this fact you just mentioned.

Another question we should be asking is this:

Is the 27.4% Hausa percentage referring to the core or 'ethnic Hausas' only or does it also include all minority tribes in the North who are not ethnic Hausa but speak Hausa as first language today? If so, if these minority tribes are excluded from this figure, what would be a most likely percentage for the Hausa? 15% maybe? 18% maybe?

RTSC:
There are igbos spread all over the country.
From the north, south, west, and the middle belt.

Significant igbo numbers everywhere.

Those numbers are conservative.

But given the fact that igbos are mostly Christian which should play a significant role in monogamy and birth rate compared to the other majority ethnics, we should be third largest.

We don't procreate anyhow like the other two.

Monogamy ensures you have more of our children surviving childhood. As available resources are channelled towards nourishing and taking care of their health.

On the other hand, Polygamy in the North produce too many children, many of who don't survive infancy and childhood.

scholes0:


It still won't cover up all the deficit in the telecoms data figures. the gap between the SW and the others is just too much. Besides, what about the Yorubas in other regions too. Let all of us start extrapolating the figures for our different diaspora na.

Like seriously this was what the figures were in 2016
1* LAGOS - 12,620,662
2* OGUN - 5,629,424
3* OYO - 4,908,092
4* KADUNA - 4,231,710
5* KANO - 4,134,266

6* F.C.T - 4,132,172
7* RIVERS - 3,853,300
8* NIGER - 3,301,721
9* DELTA - 3,225,365
10* EDO - 3,144,922

11* ANAMBRA - 2,608,805
12* BENUE - 2,424,091
13* OSUN - 2,284,205
14* ONDO - 2,240,949
15* NASARAWA - 2,175,394

16* KWARA - 2,115,199
17* KOGI - 2,040,082
18* IMO - 2,023,867
19* ABIA - 2,010,551
20* PLATEAU - 1,921,857

21* KATSINA - 1,887,194
22* ENUGU - 1,873,467
23* AKWA IBOM - 1,861,330
24* ADAMAWA - 1,621,508
25* BAUCHI - 1,559,609

26* CROSS RIVER - 1,375,251
27* BORNO - 1,347,355
28* SOKOTO - 1,264,793
29* KEBBI - 1,162,543
30* TARABA - 1,154,720

31* GOMBE - 1,063,522
32* JIGAWA - 898,399
33* EKITI - 879,702
34* ZAMFARA - 851,669
35* EBONYI - 796,519
36* BAYELSA - 732,777

37* YOBE - 694,631
** OTHERS (UNIDENTIFIED) - 373,113

Total Nigeria Active Internet Subscriptions: 92,424,736

REGIONS:
South West = 28,563,034 Active Internet Subscriptions (31.0%)
South South = 14,192,945 Active Internet Subscriptions (15.35%)
South East = 9,313,209 Active Internet Subscriptions (10.0%)

North West = 14,430,574 Active Internet Subscriptions (15.61%)
North Central = 13,978,344 Active Internet Subscriptions (15.12%)
North East = 7,441,345 Active Internet Subscriptions (8.05%)

F.C.T = 4,132,172 Active Internet Subscriptions (4.47%)

RockHard:


The only thing we have that is closest to an informed estimate of population spread are the telecoms data (attached below) because it is unbiased in any form, and it clearly shows the SE as the least populated while the SW is the single largest/most populated. Oyo and Ogun population alone are more than those of the SE combined (without including Lagos or Ekiti, Ondo, Osun or Kwara and Yoruba-speaking Kogi).

Nice points but true ethnic population figures cannot be extrapolated from active number of subscribers for several reasons:

1) These figures are not ethnic figures but simply figures for phone subscribers and should never be relied on. No advanced country in the world depends on telecommunications figures for estimating true ethnic or tribal figures.

2) The first 7 states listed in descending order are big cities containing the native population plus other Nigerian tribes, foreigners, other Africans etc. living in them. Take Lagos for example, it is a very multi-ethnic state with the presence of virtually all Nigerian tribes plus foreigners. Assuming that the 12m figure for Lagos is entirely of Yoruba ethnic origin is quite hilarious. Assuming 40% of the subscribers are of Yoruba origin (which I think may be far-to-fetch), then about 4.8m might be the right Yoruba figure. The remaining 60% is shared between other Nigerian tribes, the Chinese, Indians, Lebanese, Europeans, Americans, other Africans living in Lagos etc. Ogun state, by virtue of it being a border state to Lagos, is home to thousands, if not millions, of people who commute or drive to work in Lagos or actively engage in business in Lagos but live in Ogun state due to housing or accommodation problems. Ogun state experiences a spill-over of otherwise Lagos residents and thus experiences the 'Lagos effect' described above. The state comes in second. Oyo comes in third.

3) A good percentage of phone users have multiple sim cards/line being used.

4) A good percentage of the sim cards/lines is for business purposes used by companies, offices, banks etc. Lagos, Nigeria's commercial center, probably has the highest concentration of companies and industries in Nigeria and every single one of them has at least one active sim card/line or more.

5) Summing up the figures from all the regions listed + the FCT gives about approximately 93 million active subscribers (48%) but the total Nigerian population is estimated at 195 million. A whopping 102 million Nigerians are conspicuously missing from the data (52%). Thus, the data provided above is baseless as a way of estimating true ethnic populations.

bigfrancis21:
Another question we should be asking is this:

Is the 27.4% Hausa percentage referring to the core or 'ethnic Hausas' only or does it also include all minority tribes in the North who are not ethnic Hausa but speak Hausa as first language today? If so, if these minority tribes are excluded from this figure, what would be a most likely percentage for the Hausa? 15% maybe? 18% maybe?

I also wonder if they grouped Efik,Annang ,Oron, Obolo, Eket under Ibibio, to arrive at the figure of 2.2% for Ibibio, which makes Ibibio the biggest ethnic group in SS, and not Ijaw.

bigfrancis21:




Nice points but true ethnic population figures cannot be extrapolated from active number of subscribers for several reasons:

1) These figures are not ethnic figures but simply figures for phone subscribers and should never be relied on. No advanced country in the world depends on telecommunications figures for estimating true ethnic or tribal figures.

2) The first 7 states listed in descending order are big cities containing the native population plus other Nigerian tribes, foreigners, other Africans etc. living in them. Take Lagos for example, it is a very multi-ethnic state with the presence of virtually all Nigerian tribes plus foreigners. Assuming that the 12m figure for Lagos is entirely of Yoruba ethnic origin is quite hilarious. Assuming 40% of the subscribers are of Yoruba origin (which I think may be far-to-fetch), then about 4.8m might be the right Yoruba figure. The remaining 60% is shared between other Nigerian tribes, the Chinese, Indians, Lebanese, Europeans, Americans, other Africans living in Lagos etc. Ogun state, by virtue of it being a border state to Lagos, is home to thousands, if not millions, of people who commute or drive to work in Lagos or actively engage in business in Lagos but live in Ogun state due to housing or accommodation problems. Ogun state experiences a spill-over of otherwise Lagos residents and thus experiences the 'Lagos effect' described above. The state comes in second. Oyo comes in third.

3) Summing up the figures from all the regions listed + the FCT gives about approximately 93 million active subscribers (48%) but the total Nigerian population is estimated at 195 million. Thus, a whopping 102 million Nigerians are conspicuously missing from the data (52%). Thus, the data provided above is baseless as a way of estimating true ethnic populations.

Also there is the issue of multiplicity of active lines by single individuals. In Yorubaland, it's a must to have a Glo network line in addition to MTN and other lines, Yorubas like to patronize Glo alot. Where as in the East, it's MTN all the way, even though many have multiple lines here, it isn't as definite as the SW where having a Glo network is like a must.
Simply put, the number of active subscribers is a very poor data to use to extract ethnic population figures.

pazienza:


Also there is the issue of multiplicity of active lines by single individuals. In Yorubaland, it's a must to have a Glo network line in addition to MTN and other lines, Yorubas like to patronize Glo alot. Where as in the East, it's MTN all the way, even though many have multiple lines here, it isn't as definite as the SW where having a Glo network is like a must.
Simply put, the number of active subscribers is a very poor data to use to extract ethnic population figures.

Great point. Also, not forgetting a fact that a good percentage of these lines are used for business or/and non-personal purposes and are not directly related to one tribe or another.