This is very important to understand because I continue to read threads upon threads about this on nairaland. Someone even throw a challenge of 100k to know if a spell (juju) exist .

Well Orisa spirituality is a power of light to allow sight to those living in darkness, it is not a spirituality of secret dark witchcraft for you to live in fear of.

My worries is that anytime you promote the belief in witches, magic spells, and that sort of superstitious danger, you will automatically create a fearful population that will hurt anyone (including children) they see as a source of this and pay anyone they believe can save them from this.

It is unfortunate that many proponents of Orisa religion claiming to be babalawo are teaching people to believe in this fearful superstition. The dangers of such belief is self-evident but many continue it simply because it is claimed as an "African tradition."

Listen now and listen carefully. Orunmila's teaches are explicit that the only "witchcraft" that exists is psychological. This is powerful if you are susceptible but it is not actually witchcraft. They caste spells on you thru your psychology by exposing you to self-destructive images meant to subliminally induce fear and panic. This is why you should control the images you let people expose you to (especially from the media and their school system). This is the only way they enter your mind and influence you; not "witchcraft."

our ancient spirituality was regarding the science of the mind, not mystic supersition. Until we realize this, our ancient spirituality will not be able to empower us as a people.

In the name of Orunmila, the wisdom of Olodumare living within.

There is no wireless technology anywhere also. How about that?

Vaxx, I need your opinion on this.

I visited a very close friend of mine last week who had not been able to walk for the past 8 months. According to him this was what happened :

On this fateful day he went clubbing as usual and decides to take a stroll to a brothel not far from the club. Then he was accosted by three young guys who brought out guns and knives. He said, they robbed him of his phones and wallets. And they started rubbing one of the knives over his body. There was no hard contact. So they asked him to start running but he could only walk backward because he was afraid. And they followed him till he got to a brt terminal. Before he knew it, he fell down and couldn't stand up again. He told me the knife was jazzed because that's the only explanation he could come up with. They didn't beat nor cut him. The only contact was the knife rubbing.

That's someone close to me. How do you expect me hear that and still believe there's no black magic?

luvmijeje:
Vaxx, I need your opinion on this.

I visited a very close friend of mine last week who had not been able to walk for the past 8 months. According to him this was what happened :

On this fateful day he went clubbing as usual and decides to take a stroll to a brothel not far from the club. Then he was accosted by three young guys who brought out guns and knives. He said, they robbed him of his phones and wallets. And they started rubbing one of the knives over his body. There was no hard contact. So they asked him to start running but he could only walk backward because he was afraid. And they followed him till he got to a brt terminal. Before he knew it, he fell down and couldn't stand up again. He told me the knife was jazzed because that's the only explanation he could come up with. They didn't beat nor cut him. The only contact was the knife rubbing.

That's someone close to me. How do you expect me hear that and still believe there's no black magic?

Has your friend seen a doctor?

So,
A man touched by someone he doesn't know and he immediately handed over his money he just collected from the bank, it's the science of the mind for an adult to give his entire money and cry afterwards??

Do you mean people choose to become insane and roam around after someone buried items on their doorstep, why do they become Normal again after it's dugged out and destroyed

I can give you thousands of examples, please tell me whether all this are setups for entertainment or deceit

DeSepiero:


Has your friend seen a doctor?

Yes he has. He did an x-ray and the x-ray shows the bone in his thight was broken. There was no hard contact according to him, there was no mark on him to indicate a broken bone.

Witchcraft/magic spells do exist.

You cannot just waive them off.

Not believing in it cannot rule out the fact that it does indeed exist.

servercodes001:
So,
A man touched by someone he doesn't know and he immediately handed over his money he just collected from the bank, it's the science of the mind for an adult to give his entire money and cry afterwards??

Do you mean people choose to become insane and roam around after someone buried items on their doorstep, why do they become Normal again after it's dugged out and destroyed

I can give you thousands of examples, please tell me whether all this are setups for entertainment or deceit

Please read what I wrote again and ensure not to skip the part where I said the guys brought out guns and knives.

uboma:
Witchcraft/magic spells do exist.


You cannot just waive them off.


Not believing in it cannot rule out the fact that it does indeed exist.

And they wondered why religion is bigger than science. Religion is more relatable and deals with the everyday issues faced by Nigerians. While science insult and in her arrogance waives everything off as bullshit.

Dem neva use jazz on u. Nobody will tell u exist

luvmijeje:
Vaxx, I need your opinion on this.

I visited a very close friend of mine last week who had not been able to walk for the past 8 months. According to him this was what happened :

On this fateful day he went clubbing as usual and decides to take a stroll to a brothel not far from the club. Then he was accosted by three young guys who brought out guns and knives. He said, they robbed him of his phones and wallets. And they started rubbing one of the knives over his body. There was no hard contact. So they asked him to start running but he could only walk backward because he was afraid. And they followed him till he got to a brt terminal. Before he knew it, he fell down and couldn't stand up again. He told me the knife was jazzed because that's the only explanation he could come up with. They didn't beat nor cut him. The only contact was the knife rubbing.

That's someone close to me. How do you expect me hear that and still believe there's no black magic?

Sounds like Bible stories when they mix lies and truth together, on what purpose would robbers still care for victims welfare when they are aiming for properties?

luvmijeje:


Yes he has. He did an x-ray and the x-ray shows the bone in his thight was broken. There was no hard contact according to him, there was no mark on him to indicate a broken bone.

On the 30th of November 2012. I was by a friend dropped between area 1 and Berger in abuja, behind national hospital. I was supposed to wait for a taxi going to kubwa. While waiting two guys approached me and push me into the shallow gutter. They pined me to the floor face down but my knees where folded (you know how Muslims pray when they touch their head on the floor)

After robbing me, they gave me my simcard and hundred naira from transport and asked me not to raise my head until they are gone.

I raised my head after they were gone and stood up only to find out my ankle was completely gone out of my feet. It was dangling on my leg

Well, I spent three months in the hospital as a result of the incident and was operated on twice just to get my leg in order. Today my leg is fine, though I still limp early mornings until I walk around a bit. But I am fine.

Honesty, I can't remember them being hard on me but I knew fear and emotions made me forget some of the things that happened to me. Its the minds way of protecting u from anxiety. They asked me to corporate and I did, but how did I break my leg so bad that it completely pulled out of my leg?

I know it wasn't jazz, everything happened in a blink of an eye and in the moment of fear and apprehension, my mind deleted some terrible things that happened to me.

CodeTemplar:
There is no wireless technology anywhere also. How about that?

The evidence of electromagnetic wave discredit your assertion. If you can control this electromagnetic wave, then you can use it to communicate or to broadcast information.

luvmijeje:


And they wondered why religion is bigger than science. Religion is more relatable and deals with the everyday issues faced by Nigerians. While science insult and in her arrogance waives everything off as bullshit.

Yet u cannot compare what science has achieved to what religion has achieved, why so?

frank317:


Yet u cannot compare what science has achieved to what religion has achieved, why so?

Forget story. Despite your achievements, more people are becoming religious than practical.

obinna58:

Sounds like Bible stories when they mix lies and truth together, on what purpose would robbers still care for victims welfare when they are aiming for properties?

Have you wondered that the reason they followed him was because they want to ensure their jazz worked and to them my friend was a giunea pig?

No such thing as UFO and aliens It's just a figment of your imagination.


Pentagon ran secret multi-million dollar UFO programme https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-42379749

luvmijeje:


Forget story. Despite your achievements, more people are becoming religious than practical.

Did u read about my ordeal in abuja? Was expecting u would respond to it... I will use my experience to try to clear ur doubt

luvmijeje:


Forget story. Despite your achievements, more people are becoming religious than practical.

In naija or all over the world?

frank317:


On the 30th of November 2012. I was by a friend dropped between area 1 and Berger in abuja, behind national hospital. I was supposed to wait for a taxi going to kubwa. While waiting two guys approached me and push me into the shallow gutter. They pined me to the floor face down but my knees where folded (you know how Muslims pray when they touch their head on the floor)

After robbing me, they gave me my simcard and hundred naira from transport and asked me not to raise my head until they are gone.

I raised my head after they were gone and stood up only to find out my ankle was completely gone out of my feet. It was dangling on my leg

Well, I spent three months in the hospital as a result of the incident and was operated on twice just to get my leg in order. Today my leg is fine, though I still limp early mornings until I walk around a bit. But I am fine.

Honesty, I can't remember them being hard on me but I knew fear and emotions made me forget some of the things that happened to me. Its the minds way of protecting u from anxiety. They asked me to corporate and I did, but how did I break my leg so bad that it completely pulled out of my leg?

I know it wasn't jazz, everything happened in a blink of an eye and in the moment of fear and apprehension, my mind deleted some terrible things that happened to me.

Frank, I'm now loving you. Do you know that my friend said they also offered him 100 naira but that he didn't collect it because at that point he was furious that he couldn't walk.

He insisted that they didn't use hard contact on him.

OpenYourEyes1:
No such thing as UFO and aliens
It's just a figment of your imagination.



Pentagon ran secret multi-million dollar UFO programme
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-42379749

The Pentagon has been running a secret multi-million dollar programme to investigate Unidentified Flying Objects (UFOs), US media report.
Only a small number of officials were aware of the programme, which began in 2007 and was reportedly closed in 2012.
The New York Times says documents from the operation describe strange speeding aircraft and hovering objects.
But scientists were doubtful, stressing that unexplained happenings were not necessarily proof of alien life.

The Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Programme was the brainchild of Harry Reid, a retired Democratic senator who was the Senate majority leader at the time.
He told the New York Times: "I'm not embarrassed or ashamed or sorry I got this thing going. I've done something that no one has done before."
Mr Reid - former senator for Nevada, home to the mythologised "Area 51" classified US Air Force base - later tweeted that the programme was a serious effort to get to truth amid "plenty of evidence to support asking the questions".
The programme is reported to have cost the Department of Defense more than $20 million (£15m) before it was shut down in order to save costs.
Although its funding ended in 2012, officials have reportedly continued to investigate sightings of unusual aerial phenomena and suspicious objects alongside their daily duties.
One former congressional staffer told Politico the programme may have been set up to monitor the technological progress of rival foreign powers.
"Was this China or Russia trying to do something or has some propulsion system we are not familiar with?", they said.
Earlier this year, the US Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) released millions of pages of declassified documents online.
The records included UFO sightings and a collection of reports on flying saucers.

If anyone says they have the answers, they’re fooling themselves.
We don’t know the answers but we have plenty of evidence to support asking the questions. This is about science and national security. If America doesn’t take the lead in answering these questions, others will.
— Senator Harry Reid (@SenatorReid)
.
The programme is reported to have cost the Department of Defense more than $20 million (£15m) before it was shut down in order to save costs.
Although its funding ended in 2012, officials have reportedly continued to investigate sightings of unusual aerial phenomena and suspicious objects alongside their daily duties.
"Was this China or Russia trying to do something or has some propulsion system we are not familiar with?", they said.
Earlier this year, the US Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) released millions of pages of declassified documents online.
The records included UFO sightings and a collection of reports on flying sau

luvmijeje:
Vaxx, I need your opinion on this.

I visited a very close friend of mine last week who had not been able to walk for the past 8 months. According to him this was what happened :

On this fateful day he went clubbing as usual and decides to take a stroll to a brothel not far from the club. Then he was accosted by three young guys who brought out guns and knives. He said, they robbed him of his phones and wallets. And they started rubbing one of the knives over his body. There was no hard contact. So they asked him to start running but he could only walk backward because he was afraid. And they followed him till he got to a brt terminal. Before he knew it, he fell down and couldn't stand up again. He told me the knife was jazzed because that's the only explanation he could come up with. They didn't beat nor cut him. The only contact was the knife rubbing.

That's someone close to me. How do you expect me hear that and still believe there's no black magic?

This will have to do with knowledge, mind control, telepathy, and essence. There are techniques to do that....There is an academic explanation for this.. look up to ""Ericksonian Hypnotherapy""

It is unfortunate our papa and mama cannot document their juju method on paper. It will have serve as same evidence you find in scienctifc paper .

frank317:


In naija or all over the world?

I can only speak for Nigeria.

vaxx:
This will have to do with knowledge, mind control, telepathy, and essence. There are techniques to do that....There is an academic explanation for this.. look up to ""Ericksonian Hypnotherapy""

It is unfortunate our papa and mama cannot document their juju method on paper. It will have serve as same evidence you find in scienctifc paper .

That's where you believers of science comes in. You carry out a research or whatsoever you guys do instead of telling us we are fools for believing in something we are seeing.

frank317:
On the 30th of November 2012.
I was by a friend dropped between area 1 and Berger in abuja, behind national hospital. I was supposed to wait for a taxi going to kubwa.
While waiting two guys approached me and push me into the shallow gutter.
They pined me to the floor face down but my knees where folded (you know how Muslims pray when they touch their head on the floor)

After robbing me, they gave me my simcard and hundred naira from transport and asked me not to raise my head until they are gone.

I raised my head after they were gone and stood up only to find out my ankle was completely gone out of my feet.
It was dangling on my leg

Well, I spent three months in the hospital as a result of the incident and was operated on twice just to get my leg in order.
Today my leg is fine, though I still limp early mornings until I walk around a bit. But I am fine.

Honesty, I can't remember them being hard on me but I knew fear and emotions made me forget some of the things that happened to me.
Its the minds way of protecting u from anxiety.
They asked me to corporate and I did, but how did I break my leg so bad that it completely pulled out of my leg?
I know it wasn't jazz, everything happened in a blink of an eye.
and in the moment of fear and apprehension, my mind deleted some terrible things that happened to me

I am sorry to read about this deeply disturbing or distressing experience.

What time of the day or night did this happen?
If at night, was the area well-lit?
How many of people were at the area before you were assaulted and robbed?
Were you keeping careful watch for possible danger
and on the look out for suspicious and strange telltales?.

frank317, dont mind people overrating jazz

#justforlaugh, watch the below instagram link till the end
https://www.instagram.com/p/BppGKcwhq77/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

luvmijeje:
I visited a very close friend of mine last week who had not been able to walk for the past 8 months. According to him this was what happened :

On this fateful day he went clubbing as usual and decides to take a stroll to a brothel not far from the club. Then he was accosted by three young guys who brought out guns and knives. He said, they robbed him of his phones and wallets. And they started rubbing one of the knives over his body. There was no hard contact. So they asked him to start running but he could only walk backward because he was afraid. And they followed him till he got to a brt terminal. Before he knew it, he fell down and couldn't stand up again. He told me the knife was jazzed because that's the only explanation he could come up with. They didn't beat nor cut him. The only contact was the knife rubbing

Is it possible that his spine was damaged when he fell down?

vaxx:
This will have to do with knowledge, mind control, telepathy, and essence. There are techniques to do that....There is an academic explanation for this.. look up to ""Ericksonian Hypnotherapy""

It is unfortunate our papa and mama cannot document their juju method on paper. It will have serve as same evidence you find in scienctifc paper .

If science can explain telepathy and telekinesis it doesn't mean they aren't juju or witcraft. Afterall lots of the so called scientists denied the existence of this things in the past.

luvmijeje:


Have you wondered that the reason they followed him was because they want to ensure their jazz worked and to them my friend was a giunea pig?

Absurd, does it mean they don't have victim, it looked like they're just having fun, did he see a doctor?, Whatever anyway I'm just curious

luvmijeje:


Frank, I'm now loving you. Do you know that my friend said they also offered him 100 naira but that he didn't collect it because at that point he was furious that he couldn't walk.

He insisted that they didn't use hard contact on him.

Hard object was not used on my too. Its been more than six months yet I am trying to think deep and understand why my ankle completely broke off my leg. I can show u a picture of the long scare on both sides of my ankle because it was serious enough.

What if I fell badly and the leg broke but didn't realize how I fell?
What if one of them stamped on my feet so hard that it went of... This is possible considering the position I was forced to be in.

But because I don't believe in jazz I am thinking hard to understand what happened and then I came across some psychological theories that explain how our body copes during shock.

More questions:
If it was jazz why did I get healed my a non jazz means?
Will believing it was jazz at that time helped my situation in anyway? I mean what would believing it was jazz contribution to my situation?

luvmijeje:


I can only speak for Nigeria.

Then u need to widen ur horizon.

luvmijeje:


Please read what I wrote again and ensure not to skip the part where I said the guys brought out guns and knives.

Sorry, I was referring to people who claimed witchcraft and juju aren't real

MuttleyLaff:
I am sorry to read about this deeply disturbing or distressing experience.

What time of the day or night did this happen?
If at night, was the area well-lit?
How many of people were at the area before you were assaulted and robbed?
Were you keeping careful watch for possible danger
and on the look out for suspicious and strange telltales?.

frank317, dont mind people overrating jazz

#justforlaugh, watch the below instagram link till the end
https://www.instagram.com/p/BppGKcwhq77/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

It happened around 7.30 or 8pm.
The area was not well lit.

I had been in abuja for five years and didn't think it was a dangerous place hence was not watching out for danger