Please, I need an answer as regarding the following question, which is mainly for atheists:
Do you as an atheist belief women are to be reproductive? That is, are they supposed to bear children?

No, I don't believe women should be productive. I do know they are productive though. Some really work hard at it too.

00Godwin:
Please, I need an answer as regarding the following question, which is mainly for atheists:
Do you as an atheist belief women are to be reproductive? That is, are they supposed to bear children?

Just like budaatum pointed out belief has nothing to do with it. We expect women to be productive biologically and socially because they have demonstrated the capacity to do so.

Ok, let's move a little further. Don't you think it's a miracle that the big bang explosion happened uncaused? And also a miracle that God exists without a begining? It is believed, "Nothing comes from nothing."

00Godwin:
Ok, let's move a little further. Don't you think it's a miracle that the big bang explosion happened uncaused? And also a miracle that God exists without a begining? It is believed, "Nothing comes from nothing."

Hold on! Big bang explosion? God? "Nothing comes from nothing"?

Sounds like you are asking us to argue about your beliefs, to me. Or has anyone told you they believe any of those things you listed?

00Godwin:
Ok, let's move a little further. Don't you think it's a miracle that the big bang explosion happened uncaused? And also a miracle that God exists without a begining? It is believed, "Nothing comes from nothing."

Nobody knows what caused the universe to expand from a singularity. We don't even know how the singularity formed in the first place. Also the concept of a nothing is a religious one, scientists have a hard time conceptualising what a nothing would be like.

LordReed:


Nobody knows what caused the universe to expand from a singularity. We don't even know how the singularity formed in the first place. Also the concept of a nothing is a religious one, scientists have a hard time conceptualising what a nothing would be like.

Do we even know there was a singularity?

budaatum:

Hold on! Big bang explosion? God? "Nothing comes from nothing"?

Sounds like you are asking us to argue about your beliefs, to me. Or has anyone told you they believe any of those things you listed?

I wouldn't ask if someone has not told me so. Besides, I'm an atheist too. I put the questions as though I'm the one who asked me.

Budaatum, I wouldn't ask if someone had not asked me so. Besides, I'm an atheist too. I put the questions as though I'm the one who asked me.

budaatum:

Do we even know there was a singularity?

Well we kind of. If the universe has been expanding for billions of years it stands to reason that it was a lot smaller than it is now and the math shows it would have had to be a singularity at which point the laws of physics as we know them now couldn't be reasonably sustained. But of course this is a mystery as we can't yet go back in time to confirm it and may never be able to.

00Godwin:


I wouldn't ask if someone has not told me so. Besides, I'm an atheist too. I put the questions as though I'm the one who asked me.

I understand. You are speculating. And we are responding regardless of whether you are an atheist or not.

So please continue. It's interesting at least, or we would not bother.

LordReed:


Well we kind of. If the universe has been expanding for billions of years it stands to reason that it was a lot smaller than it is now and the math shows it would have had to be a singularity at which point the laws of physics as we know them now couldn't be reasonably sustained. But of course this is a mystery as we can't yet go back in time to confirm it and may never be able to.

Kind of? An admission that we do not know, though it's probable. A religious person could also argue that it is probable that the singularity was brought into existence by something that pre-existed it.

We after all do not know whether there was a point where nothing existed prior to the existence of a single thing, including the pre-existing nothing', which could be argued was a 'thing' in its own right.

HellVictorinho said something similar in one of his posts. And now that he seems to have learnt to discuss, as opposed to assume he is the only one who can read, I hope you don't mind me inviting him in here.

I do believe we as atheists will not agree with the idea that it is a miracle that what I said above came into existence or always existed. I think every religionist might agree otherwise, but since it takes a miracle worker to work a miracle and to them God is the miracle worker for the big bang, the question is who is that of God?

budaatum:

Kind of? An admission that we do not know, though it's probable. A religious person could also argue that it is probable that the singularity was brought into existence by something that pre-existed it.

We after all do not know whether there was a point where nothing existed prior to the existence of a single thing, including the pre-existing nothing', which could be argued was a 'thing' in its own right.

HellVictorinho said something similar in one of his posts. And now that he seems to have learnt to discuss, as opposed to assume he is the only one who can read, I hope you don't mind me inviting him in here.

By all means.

I am not convinced a nothing can exist as virtual particles have shown that even in the emptiest of space given enough time something will exist in it. But your point is well taken, we do not know, we are speculating based on the data we have with no way as of yet to confirm it.

00Godwin:
Ok, let's move a little further. Don't you think it's a miracle that the big bang explosion happened uncaused? And also a miracle that God exists without a begining? It is believed, "Nothing comes from nothing."

What would you describe as a miracle?

00Godwin:
I do believe we as atheists will not agree with the idea that it is a miracle that what I said above came into existence or always existed. I think every religionist might agree otherwise, but since it takes a miracle worker to work a miracle and to them God is the miracle worker for the big bang, the question is who is that of God?

Einstein's general theory of relativity says that all time is relative to matter. And since all matter began 13.7 billion years ago, so did all time so there's no time before the Big Bang and even if there is time before the Big Bang, even if there is a multiverse that is many universes with many big bangs as string theory says is mathematically possible, that too must have a beginning. An absolute beginning is what most people mean by God. Yet some atheists find the existence of an infinite number of other universes more rational than the existence of a creator, never mind that there is no empirical evidence at all that any of these unknown universes exists, let alone a thousand or a gazillion.

The conclusion that God exists doesn't even require faith; atheism requires faith. It takes faith to believe in everything coming from nothing. It takes only reason to believe in everything coming from God.

9inches:

Einstein's general theory of relativity says that all time is relative to matter. And since all matter began 13.7 billion years ago, so did all time so there's no time before the Big Bang and even if there is time before the Big Bang, even if there is a multiverse that is many universes with many big bangs as string theory says is mathematically possible, that too must have a beginning. An absolute beginning is what most people mean by God. Yet some atheists find the existence of an infinite number of other universes more rational than the existence of a creator, never mind that there is no empirical evidence at all that any of these unknown universes exists, let alone a thousand or a gazillion.

The conclusion that God exists doesn't even require faith; atheism requires faith. It takes faith to believe in everything coming from nothing. It takes only reason to believe in everything coming from God.

What if Einstein was wrong on that one?

HellVictorinho:

What if Einstein was wrong on that one?

It would be known by now.

9inches:
It would be known by now.

Not everyone agreed with him then and not everyone had to.
Einstein didn't have two heads.

What a stupid question.
Why anyone bothers this stupidity with a response defeats me.

9inches:



The conclusion that God exists doesn't even require faith; atheism requires faith. It takes faith to believe in everything coming from nothing. It takes only reason to believe in everything coming from God.

Atheists do not claim something came from nothing that is what religionists claim. Besides atheism has nothing to do with cosmology so stop lumping the 2 together. Even if every we know about cosmology today is wrong it brings us no closer to acknowledging the existence of a deity.

HellVictorinho:

Not everyone agreed with him then and not everyone had to.
Einstein didn't have two heads.

Does everyone agree with every truth? People still believe the earth is flat.

LordReed:


Atheists do not claim something came from nothing that is what religionists claim. Besides atheism has nothing to do with cosmology so stop lumping the 2 together. Even if every we know about cosmology today is wrong it brings us no closer to acknowledging the existence of a deity.

Could you please cite any atheist who believes something came out of "something" and not "nothing". Thanks!

9inches:
Could you please cite any atheist who believes something came out of "something" and not "nothing". Thanks!

I cite buda. Something had to exist to go bang (assuming there was a bang). It must have been a big thing that existed, hence big bang. And even if there were no bang and gods did it. They'd have had to have existed in order to create what didn't exist. And something must have existed to create the gods themselves, and something must have existed to create whatever created whatever created the gods, and something must have existed to create whatever created whatever created whatever created the gods, and something must have existed........ad infinitum.

buda cited.

9inches:
Could you please cite any atheist who believes something came out of "something" and not "nothing". Thanks!

I don't need to because cosmology is not central to ATHEISM (disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of God or gods). How the universe came about is a whole different topic, one that cosmologists are working to answer.

9inches:
Does everyone agree with every truth? People still believe the earth is flat.

It is not true that there was a time when nothing existed.

9inches:


Einstein's general theory of relativity says that all time is relative to matter. And since all matter began 13.7 billion years ago, so did all time so there's no time before the Big Bang and even if there is time before the Big Bang, even if there is a multiverse that is many universes with many big bangs as string theory says is mathematically possible, that too must have a beginning. An absolute beginning is what most people mean by God. Yet some atheists find the existence of an infinite number of other universes more rational than the existence of a creator, never mind that there is no empirical evidence at all that any of these unknown universes exists, let alone a thousand or a gazillion.

The conclusion that God exists doesn't even require faith; atheism requires faith. It takes faith to believe in everything coming from nothing. It takes only reason to believe in everything coming from God.

When, then, did god begin?
There is so much wrong with the post above. Just because you use scientific sounding words does not mean that what you say makes sense, because it does not.
And as for your last sentence, are you not a bit confused? It is crazy to conclude that belief in the supernatural does not require faith, but that a lack of belief in that which is unprovable does.
Muddled thinking aplenty.

budaatum:

I cite buda. Something had to exist to go bang (assuming there was a bang). It must have been a big thing that existed, hence big bang. And even if there were no bang and gods did it. They'd have had to have existed in order to create what didn't exist. And something must have existed to create the gods themselves, and something must have existed to create whatever created whatever created the gods, and something must have existed to create whatever created whatever created whatever created the gods, and something must have existed........ad infinitum.

buda cited.

So which/what was the first "big [some]thing" that started the rest? Did Buddha say what it was and what it was made of? In short, when was the beginning of "something"?

Philosophically and theologically, if something came into existence at a certain point in time, that is, if it had a beginning, then there needs to be a cause, an explanation, for why it came to be. But if something exists outside of time, like God, then it does not need an explanation for its beginning, because it does not have one.

So, the question of who created God would be nonsensical, because it amounts to asking “who created an uncreated being?”

LordReed:


I don't need to because cosmology is not central to ATHEISM (disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of God or gods). How the universe came about is a whole different topic, one that cosmologists are working to answer.

LordReed:


Atheists do not claim something came from nothing that is what religionists claim. Besides atheism has nothing to do with cosmology so stop lumping the 2 together. Even if every we know about cosmology today is wrong it brings us no closer to acknowledging the existence of a deity.

Steve Hawking says "there was nothing around before the big bang."


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJ88kC2Nx8M

Richard Dawkins: "Something can come from nothing and that's what physicists are now telling us."


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SK35bv3M7yg

HellVictorinho:


It is not true that there was a time when nothing existed.

Correct!

Zodiac61:
When, then, did god begin?

If something came into existence at a certain point in time, that is, if it had a beginning, then there needs to be a cause, an explanation, for why it came to be. But if something exists outside of time, like God, then it does not need an explanation for its beginning, because it does not have one.

So the question “When, then, did God begin?” is nonsensical, because it amounts to asking “When did a timeless being begin?"

There is so much wrong with the post above. Just because you use scientific sounding words does not mean that what you say makes sense, because it does not.

I'm sorry the scientific words made no sense to you. Maybe you could ask follow-up questions for clarifications rather than the dismissiveness.

And as for your last sentence, are you not a bit confused? It is crazy to conclude that belief in the supernatural does not require faith, but that a lack of belief in that which is unprovable does.
Muddled thinking aplenty.

No, my friend, it's not crazy, even primary school kid. It's simple: It takes faith to believe in everything coming from nothing. It takes only reason to believe in everything coming from something.

Cathechism of the Catholic Church: "Human intelligence is surely already capable of finding a response to the question of origins. The existence of God the Creator can be known with certainty through his works, by the light of human reason, even if this knowledge is often obscured and disfigured by error. This is why faith comes to confirm and enlighten reason in the correct understanding of this truth: 'By faith we understand that the world was created by the word of God, so that what is seen was made out of things which do not appear.'"

9inches:


Steve Hawking says "there was nothing around before the big bang."


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJ88kC2Nx8M

Richard Dawkins: "Something can come from nothing and that's what physicists are now telling us."


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SK35bv3M7yg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UemhCsaeGgc


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4nCGywFr_00