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Oshi5403:
I Will Like You To Go To Benin And Ask,you Will Be Well Informed About That.

I am from Benin and nothing like that...and you guys shouldn't go and write any article on it in net to bring it alive it is pure lies let it end

Oshi5403:
I Will Like You To Go To Benin And Ask,you Will Be Well Informed About That.

I found gregyboy as Edo boy and still said this never happened. I Gus you most be Yoruba.

Like what I said only Yoruba are the ones saying this that never happened

goalernestman:
I found gregyboy as Edo boy and still said this never happened. I Gus you most be Yoruba.

Like what I said only Yoruba are the ones saying this that never happened

Saying benin had a war encounter with oyo how

gregyboy:
I am from Benin and nothing like that...and you guys shouldn't go and write any article on it in net to bring it alive it is pure lies let it end

I Saw That
Quoted.

goalernestman:
I found gregyboy as Edo boy and still said this never happened. I Gus you most be Yoruba.

Like what I said only Yoruba are the ones saying this that never happened

But Going By Your Word,why Was There No War Between The Benin Empire And The Oyo Empire?

Oshi5403:
But Going By Your Word,why Was There No War Between The Benin Empire And The Oyo Empire?

If Benin had meant oyo benin would have ended it because the empire was never strong internally and the remains of the war would have made significant impact in the heart of yorubas

Oshi5403:
But Hope You Know That The Benin Verse Of The Mythical History States That Oduduwa Is From Benin Kingdom.It States That Oduduwa Is A Prince From Benin Know As Ekardarghan.It Was When He Migrated And Settled In Ife That He Termed Himself "Izoduwa" Meaning "I Did Not Lose My Royalty" In Benin Language,which Was Later Changed To Oduduwa By The Yorubas Or Rather Ife Kingdom.

So That Makes The Benin To Claim That They Are Superior To The Yorubas Because Oduduwa Originated From The Royal Family Of Benin.

Start with the consideration of the two groups' population. Then consider these:

One thing is that Bini never loved Oranmiyan; if he was a son of ozodua as they claimed, they would have loved him and he wouldn't have called the land 'ile ibinu'. Also his generations will not continue to pay ceremonial land royalty to one particular Ogiso house till today.

The greatest Bini historian never mentioned this ekhaladeren/ozodua tale. There are lots of revisionists of Benin story today. Not too long ago, the palace of Bini brought this ozpdua's story so as to remain relevant in the midst of Igodomigodo people. Yoruba language of the palace was also downplayed.

Ooni of Ife is the senior among the three. Ile Ife remains the source of every Yoruba and the people' spirituality.
Alaafin never ruled over Ekiti, Ijebu, Ondo, Ilaje, Ikale, Owo, Akoko, Ijesa, etc. so these people don't revere him in anyway but respect his exploits. However they all recognise and revere the Ooni.

Though some historians claim, Oba of Bini was the first through Eweko, a woman of Igodomigodo origin; Alaafin was second child through a Nupe (Tapa) woman and Arole Oodua Ooni through a Yoruba woman. In those days, Yorubas kings, sons of Oodua valued the purity of the royal blood, Oodua, by marrying themselves. All these gives credit to Ooni leadership and spiritual dominance.
There was also story of Ooni being direct child of Oodua other than Oranmiyan who later returned to Ife after founding Oyo, became king or not, died and buried in Ife with his staff present till today.

Alaafin later became political leader through the spread of Oyo empire and Oranmiyan generation also created the Bini Kingdom.

In all these, respect to Oranmiyan, son of Okanbi, grandson of and Arole Oodua.

Alaafin never ruled over Ekiti, Ijebu, Ondo, Ilaje, Ikale, Owo, Akoko, Ijesa, etc. so these people don't revere him in anyway but respect his exploits. However they all recognise and revere the Oon

You Are Trying To Calve Out Something From Nothing.But Before I Proceed,can You Please Give Me 2 General Accepted And Mythical Origins Of Oduduwa.

gregyboy:
If Benin had meant oyo benin would have ended it because the empire was never strong internally and they remains have the war would have made significant impact in the heart of yorubas

Guy,i Believe You Understand That Nothing Happens On Earth Without A Reason.So The Fact That The Bini Kingdom Never Intended To Subjugate The Oyo Kingdom Is Pure Fallacy.
I Think Both Me And You Have A Work To Do On That.

gregyboy:
If Benin had meant oyo benin would have ended it because the empire was never strong internally and they remains have the war would have made significant impact in the heart of yorubas

Its An Undisputable Fact That The Power,cordination And Dominance Of The Oyo Empire Was Plagued By Internal Rife And Self-interest.

gregyboy:
Lol...they make lies alot you bother yourselves to question them ....

The only war benin would have had with the oyo empire was the war benin aided ekiti as a tributary under itself to wage war against the egba people which the ekiti won

This is simply confusion!

Ekiti never fought Egba, they don't even share boundary. Ekiti never really fought Oyo but Ibadan. However, there were wars between Ekiti kingdoms and Bini and her allies within. Oyo only intervened in Otun Ekiti kingdom and Bini war.

You people should also know that Oyo Empire started earlier and spread wider, as far as Ashanti kingdom of present day Ghana/Ivory's coast. Oyo made use of ports in Badagry, Ajase, Cotonou and Togo rather than the Ijebu/Awori dominated ones in Lagos. Oyo empire was already diminishing when Bini Kingdom was growing. Oyo Empire knew about Ife prince kingdom of Bini and the two never really waged war against each other.

Oshi5403:
Guy,i Believe You Understand That Nothing Happens On Earth Without A Reason.So The Fact That The Bini Kingdom Never Intended To Subjugate The Oyo Kingdom Is Pure Fallacy.
I Think Both Me And You Have A Work To Do On That.

How would a smaller Bini Kingdom subjugate Oyo Empire?
See, most of the explorations of Bini to South West then were carried out by Ilajes, Owo, Ikale, Itsekiris, Ekitis (including Akure), etc. They all saw Bini kings as Oodua royal sons. In fact, Ilajes were used to get to Awori's Olofins in present Lagos Island. Some Ekitis, Akokos, etc were used to fight among themselves on behalf of Oba of Bini...

lx3as:
Start with the consideration of the two groups' population. Then consider these:

One thing is that Bini never loved Oranmiyan; if he was a son of ozodua as they claimed, they would have loved him and he wouldn't have called the land 'ile ibinu'. Also his generations will not continue to pay ceremonial land royalty to one particular Ogiso house till today.

The greatest Bini historian never mentioned this ekhaladeren/ozodua tale. There are lots of revisionists of Benin story today. Not too long ago, the palace of Bini brought this ozpdua's story so as to remain relevant in the midst of Igodomigodo people. Yoruba language of the palace was also downplayed.

Ooni of Ife is the senior among the three. Ile Ife remains the source of every Yoruba and the people' spirituality.
Alaafin never ruled over Ekiti, Ijebu, Ondo, Ilaje, Ikale, Owo, Akoko, Ijesa, etc. so these people don't revere him in anyway but respect his exploits. However they all recognise and revere the Ooni.

Though some historians claim, Oba of Bini was the first through Eweko, a woman of Igodomigodo origin; Alaafin was second child through a Nupe (Tapa) woman and Arole Oodua Ooni through a Yoruba woman. In those days, Yorubas kings, sons of Oodua valued the purity of the royal blood, Oodua, by marrying themselves. All these gives credit to Ooni leadership and spiritual dominance.
There was also story of Ooni being direct child of Oodua other than Oranmiyan who later returned to Ife after founding Oyo, became king or not, died and buried in Ife with his staff present till today.

Alaafin later became political leader through the spread of Oyo empire and Oranmiyan generation also created great Bini Kingdom.

In all these, respect to Oranmiyan, son of Okanbi, grandson of and Arole Oodua.

Listen to yourself who would forfeit a whole language because he wants to rewrite an history if they even attempted to do such they could have been much similarities between the new adopted language and that of the one forgone just in a space of how many years a language was forgone in an entire city you should be ashmed you never took philosophy to help you reason before you talk.... And again because the oba launched a book years ago meaning what he wrote in the book was never true put yourself as a benin man and tell me which history would please your ears

lx3as:
This is simply confusion!

Ekiti never fought Egba, they don't even share boundary. Ekiti never really fought Oyo but Ibadan. However, there are wars between Ekiti kingdoms and Bini. Oyo only intervened in Otun Ekiti kingdom and Bini war.

You people should also know that Oyo Empire started earlier and spread wider, as far as Ashanti kingdom of present day Ghana/Ivory's coast. Oyo made use of ports in Badagry, Ajase, Cotonou and Togo rather than the Ijebu/Awori dominated ones in Lagos. Oyo empire was already diminishing when Bini Kingdom was growing. Oyo Empire knew about Ife prince kingdom of Bini and the two never really waged war against each other.

The Ashanti kingdom and togo u speak about was it by conquest if its not i would say benin influence spread beyond sothern part of nigeria including the oyo empire inclusive and beyond africa to europe in portugal

gregyboy:
Listen to yourself who would forfeit a whole language because he wants to rewrite an history if they even attempted to do such they could have been much similarities between the new adopted language and that of the one forgone just in a space of how many years a language was forgone in an entire city you should be ashmed you never took philosophy to help you reason before you talk.... And again because the oba launched a book years ago meaning what he wrote in the book was never true put yourself as a benin man and tell me which history would please your ears

I never said Yoruba language was used by Bini populace but in the palace to some point in time.
A lot of Yorubas remained in Bini after Oranmiyan left, so as to guide the young prince/king in Yoruba spirituality. How do you explain the worshiping of Ogun, esu, Osun, Aiyelala, Umọlẹ, etc in Bini up till this day?

gregyboy:
The Ashanti kingdom and togo u speak about was it by conquest if its not i would say benin influence spread beyond sothern part of nigeria including the oyo empire inclusive and beyond africa to europe in portugal

Oyo Empire secured these places through conquest. They mainly used Calvary of horses which were very good in the savanna and plain land of West Africa. They could not penetrate forested and swamped areas hence the independence of Ekitis, Owos, Ondos, Ilajes, Ijebus, Lagos Aworis, etc; even Bini. Their Calvary could easily get to Ajase, Cotonou, etc.
than Lagos.

Bini never gone beyond Lagos Island not even Badagry, the Ilajes and Itsekiris they made use of to get to Lagos Island couldn't really wage war against powerful Ijebus' kingdom, hence they took prince Ado of Bini through the lagoon; the land between Bini and Eko were never conquered by the Binis.

This is not true. Oyo empire never reached a Ghana. When was this? When did it happen?

lx3as:
This is simply confusion!

Ekiti never fought Egba, they don't even share boundary. Ekiti never really fought Oyo but Ibadan. However, there were wars between Ekiti kingdoms and Bini and her allies within. Oyo only intervened in Otun Ekiti kingdom and Bini war.

You people should also know that Oyo Empire started earlier and spread wider, as far as Ashanti kingdom of present day Ghana/Ivory's coast. Oyo made use of ports in Badagry, Ajase, Cotonou and Togo rather than the Ijebu/Awori dominated ones in Lagos. Oyo empire was already diminishing when Bini Kingdom was growing. Oyo Empire knew about Ife prince kingdom of Bini and the two never really waged war against each other.

PetroDollaxx:
This is not true. Oyo empire never reached a Ghana. When was this? When did it happen?

You can always read more about Oyo Empire.
Just start now with limited online sources; then get history books; don't assume you already knew everything about Ọyọ Empire or any other history,

How did you think the isolated Yoruba people in central Togo, etc. got there in the first place?

Oyo empire conquered most of Yoruba land but not all Benin empire conquered most of southern part of Nigeria. Oyo empire stretches all the way to Benin, Togo and Ghana. Some of the Yoruba people in those areas got their through migration not by conquering. it was recorded that Oyo empire fought Ashanti empire but it was never recorded in Ashanti history. Just has Benin empire said the subjected ijebu but it was not recorded in ijebu history.

Weedfree:
Oyo empire conquered most of Yoruba land but not all Benin empire conquered most of southern part of Nigeria. Oyo empire stretches all the way to Benin, Togo and Ghana. Some of the Yoruba people in those areas got their through migration not by conquering. it was recorded that Oyo empire fought Ashanti empire but it was never recorded in Ashanti history. Just has Benin empire said the subjected ijebu but it was not recorded in ijebu history.

Oyo Empire did not conquer most of Yoruba land oh! It covers present Oyo State, Kwara, part of Osun, part of Ogun, and the rest of the empire was in West Africa,
It avoided conquering Ife.It was after the fall of Oyo Empire that the rising power, Ibadan, waged war against most Yoruba clans until Ekiti Parapo war against Ibadan by Ekitis, Ijesas, some Igbominas, etc. with arms' support from Ijebus.

Yes, some got there through migrations; however, some warriors and their commanders also stayed behind during the Oyo Empire. Some were their to collect royalties for Alaafin as 'Ajele' and permanently settled in those places.

lx3as:
This is simply confusion!

Ekiti never fought Egba, they don't even share boundary. Ekiti never really fought Oyo but Ibadan. However, there are wars between Ekiti kingdoms and Bini. Oyo only intervened in Otun Ekiti kingdom and Bini war.

You people should also know that Oyo Empire started earlier and spread wider, as far as Ashanti kingdom of present day Ghana/Ivory's coast. Oyo made use of ports in Badagry, Ajase, Cotonou and Togo rather than the Ijebu/Awori dominated ones in Lagos. Oyo empire was already diminishing when Bini Kingdom was growing. Oyo Empire knew about Ife prince kingdom of Bini and the two never really waged war against each other.

Oyo empire stretches over ghana and ivory coast how is it through conquest or through influence

gregyboy:
Oyo empire stretches over ghana and ivory coast how is it through conquest or through influence

Read again!

'' ...spread up to Ashanti kingdom of present Ghana/Ivory's coast''.

Ashanti people are in present day Ghana and Cote d'Ivoire.
Ashanti's neighbours to the east from Accra region to Togo and Benin Republic, the Ewes, Fons, etc are closely related to the Yorubas;; they even claim Ife origin. Oyo Empire easily absorbed them at her greatest prowess but as soon as the empire declined, they did not only got their independence but also attacked some Oyo territories.

lx3as:
Oyo Empire secured these places through conquest. They mainly used Calvary of horses which were very good in the savanna and plain land of West Africa. They could not penetrate forested and swamped areas hence the independence of Ekitis, Owos, Ondos, Ilajes, Ijebus, Lagos Aworis, etc; even Bini. Their Calvary could easily get to Ajase, Cotonou, etc.
than Lagos.

Bini never gone beyond Lagos Island not even Badagry, the Ilajes and Itsekiris they made use of to get to Lagos Island couldn't really wage war against powerful Ijebus' kingdom, hence they took prince Ado of Bini through the lagoon; the land between Bini and Eko were never conquered by the Binis.

When you're ready to quote me with fact not assumption then quote me again for you saying oyo spreads through ghana and ivory coast as result of conquest as already debunk you entire statement

lx3as:
Read again!

'' ...spread up to Ashanti kingdom of present Ghana/Ivory's coast''.

Ashanti people are in present day Ghana and Cote d'Ivoire.

Answer the question youre explaining how did it stretch there through conquest or interaction

gregyboy:
Answer the question youre explaining how did it stretch there through conquest or interaction

I will not say more!
You can continue to choose what to believe.


Bye.

lx3as:
I never said Yoruba language was used by Bini populace but in the palace to some point in time.
A lot of Yorubas remained in Bini after Oranmiyan left, so as to guide the young prince/king in Yoruba spirituality. How do you explain the worshiping of Ogun, esu, Osun, Aiyelala, Umọlẹ, etc in Bini up till this day?

Lol....benin dont worship esu .esu is seen as devil in benin and they neither worship osun we can never truely ascertain any worship you mention apart from ayelala you mentioned which was adopted recently just thesame way ogboni was also adopted on recent but this does not connote seniority between both party as religion worship could be accepted through trade .benin empire is way older than the oyo empire it took in some religional worship and took out some indigenous worship...i repeat we can still not ascertain who gave who this worship we could only guess and our guess maybe wrong ...and again benin was an empire.that dwell so much on spirituality they borrowed so many different idol from neighbouring state even also adopted christanity so we borrowing idols from yoruba people cannot ascertain anything young man just like we borrowing christanity meaning we came from isreal

lx3as:
I will not say more!
You can continue to choose what to believe.


Bye.

Lol....i just wanted you to say conquest and i would have open full goggle on you ...go read your history and be proud of the little your forefathers archieved as for the benins they died protecting thiers

Weedfree:
Oyo empire conquered most of Yoruba land but not all Benin empire conquered most of southern part of Nigeria. Oyo empire stretches all the way to Benin, Togo and Ghana. Some of the Yoruba people in those areas got their through migration not by conquering. it was recorded that Oyo empire fought Ashanti empire but it was never recorded in Ashanti history. Just has Benin empire said the subjected ijebu but it was not recorded in ijebu history.

Oyo empire is fables build upon lies it is sad Ghanaian and togo aint in this forum to debunk their claims Benin never fought the ijebus they would have left thier trade mark there

goalernestman:
Please Tell me more about the war.
History list of wars in Benin record by Benin and their opponents:

1The famous Ida war Benin and igala kingdom this war is recorded by Igala and the Benins .

2 Benin invasion 1897. Record in Benin and British history.

3 Benin agbor war recorded by agbor and also in Benin history.

4 Benin ishan war recorded by ishan and Benin too

Only hear Oyo empire and Benin empire war by only Yoruba people. Did you want to still fake a fight that never happened as you fake Oyo empire

Other wars fought by Great Benin:

Benin wars in the east against the Igbos when trying to colonize the Igbos resulting in the founding of onitsha.

Benin wars in eastern Yoruba lands (conquering and subjugation of Ekiti lands, Akure revolt against Benin)

Oyo actually signed a peace treaty with Benin not to go to war with it and recognized Benin as the ruler over eastern yorubas while Oyo ruled over western Yoruba.

gregyboy:
Lol....benin dont worship esu .esu is seen as devil in benin and they neither worship osun we can never truely ascertain any worship you mention apart from ayelala you mentioned which was adopted recently just thesame way ogboni was also adopted on recent but this does not connote seniority between both party as religion worship could be accepted through trade .benin empire is way older than the oyo empire it took in some religional worship and took out some indigenous worship...i repeat we can still not ascertain who gave who this worship we could only guess and our guess maybe wrong ...and again benin was an empire.that dwell so much on spirituality they borrowed so many different idol from neighbouring state even also adopted christanity so we borrowing idols from yoruba people cannot ascertain anything young man just like we borrowing christanity meaning we came from isreal

Though I promise not to reply you again because I don't believe an adult would not understand the difference between 'spread up to' and 'spread over/through'.

Please go to any Ogun worshiper in Benin and ask him to show his shrine. You will find a stone close to that Ogun shrine; that's for Esu (the trickster), Esu was different from Satan in the Bible; when Bishop Ajayi Crowders was translating Bible from English to Yoruba, he called Satan, Esu and it sticks up till today.

To an hunter, who worships Ogun, he believes that the gun he is carrying can kill someone/himself through mistake or misfortune hence the sacrifice to Esu by giving him some offerings on that stone near Ogun shrine to appease him. Esu was part of the ancient Yoruba gods just like Ogun, Obatala, Orunmila, etc.

Bye.

lx3as:
Oyo Empire did not conquer most of Yoruba land oh! It covers present Oyo State, Kwara, part of Osun, part of Ogun, and the rest of the empire was in West Africa,
It avoided conquering Ife.It was after the fall of Oyo Empire that the rising power, Ibadan, waged war against most Yoruba clans until Ekiti Parapo war against Ibadan by Ekitis, Ijesas, some Igbominas, etc. with arms' support from Ijebus.

Yes, some got there through migrations; however, some warriors and their commanders also stayed behind during the Oyo Empire. Some were their to collect royalties for Alaafin as 'Ajele' and permanently settled in those places.

Then do u mind listing them out and oyo empire never conquered ogun state.

gregyboy:
Oyo empire is fables build upon lies it is sad Ghanaian and togo aint in this forum to debunk their claims Benin never fought the ijebus they would have left thier trade mark there

U do have a point it would have been recorded like other wars fought by benin empire.