Maximus69:
Peaple from different cultures on earth studied nature,and afterwards makes laws based on their various understanding! Those whose line of thought are in agreement sees one another as brothers since it's the same rules that governs them,but ones their is contradicting ideas on the conclusion of some tribe and others about nature, they're known as neighbours only. I think the same applies here Sir,because you read the Bible and i also read the same Bible,your understanding of it totally differs from mine. So instead of arguing,it's better we see each other as neighbours studying the same thing but have divers opinions and that is if we live close to each other! I agreed completely with brocab's conclusion,we're not on the same page so each person goes and worship his God the best way he knows since our God is NOT the same! And that doesn't mean one shouldn't wish the other well,if your God said those who aren't worshiping as stated are going to hellfire,let's leave it at that until then. If my God says those who disagree with the GB will be destroyed,let's leave it at that until then! So for now i've never seen you nor know where you live therefore we're both strangers to each other NOT even neighbours since we don't live close to one another!

Janosky:


OLAADEGBU points 1,2 and 3 are false claims.
A Pharisee who testified that he loves the words of imperfect slave, Thomas more than his perfect Master Jesus can never be a true follower of Christ.

Janosky:


*Point 4
JWs will never join you to pray to a 3 faced triune Godhead.
Your church loudspeakers noisy prayers, shouting while praying & repetition of the same words over and over again are against God's principles on prayers
Matt6:1,5-7. Ephesians 3:14-21

Janosky:


*Point 5
Jesus kept teaching & training his disciples even after he left ,through various means (Matt6:9. Luk11:1-3. 10:1-10. Acts 20:20).

Janosky:


*Point 6
JWs are renowned for being law abiding ,peaceful, conscientious citizens where ever they reside..(Rom13:1-10).However we must
obey God rather than men (Acts5:29) whenever the laws of men demand what belongs to Jehovah GOD.

Janosky:


*Point 7
1cor7:10-17 ,read and get the sense of it.

Janosky:


*Point 8
JWs have two Bible study meetings weekly as well as two.Assemblies
and a Regional Convention programs they meet for fellowship

Janosky:


..JWs organize fun filled get togethers where they socialize
and have a good time on
regular..basis


Points9&10
Liar
The.holy Bible is JWs final authority on.all. matters
Since you've been on.NL ,, no JW had ever.interacted with you.with out.giving you.proof from your Bible even if.you.disagreed with it.

Jesus was put to death in the fleshly realm and made alive in the spiritual realm(1pet3:18).
He.materialized into fleshly body to appear to Mary Magdalene and his other followers (Jn20:11-20,24-27
)just as angelic spirits.materialized into fleshly body to.speak with
Lot.and.Manoah,Abraham etc
(Gen19:1,2..Judges13:3-21)
It's the same way that the resurrected Jesus appeared to his followers. But you disagreed.
The body of Jesus that Mary Magdalene saw was not the same body that Jesus showed to.Thomas

U don't believe the words of Jesus in.John20:17.because his.words
countered your.Trinity scam.


It.is.Pharisees like Olaadegbu.whose.false doctrines hold
gullible sheepies.captive
JWs.are.imperfect people but
they preach.and.teach.what the Bible says
Yes.indeed


PS:.my.apologies for.any typing error

TATIME:


Barrister don't lie this time o!
You're the same Tatime,aren't you?
Wonders shall never end! Now that all the secret of your daddy G.O Kumuyi has been exposed,you can't think straight again! Instead of addressing the issues to prove that your founder never used JWs publication ,the next move is to start guessing where the blows is coming from! Abeg continue guessing,you're almost there!
Well Maximus,this is how OLAADEGBU can witness to a Jehovah's Witness. So take note!

Maximus69:
It's appropriate to distinguish between this two words
¤Brothers
¤Neighbours
While the first had many things in common,they often relate with each other,other people notice the connection between them and so can make positive or negative reports about a one individuals to his brother on many occasions.
Neighbours are people living next to you,you only relate with them when necessary,most times you just greet and walk away. Some neighbours might live all their lives without having anything to do with each other than mere greeting!
So the Samaritan showed he love his neighbour by making sure of his well being but afterwards he might walk away and never see each other again. But that's not applicable to brothers,as they must ask after or call on each other from time to time!
For instance there are so many living closeby as neighbours but how many do we call on like brothers?
Jesus said 'love you neighbour as yourself' Mark 12:31 but to brothers{Christians as in those having the same faith} Jesus gave a NEW law saying you MUST love your brother JUST AS I HAVE LOVED YOU. John 13:34,35
Surely Jesus died for his brothers and his law says the same to those claiming brothers in Christ,but regarding neighbours Jesus didn't expect a christian to die for their love! We try our best for them and run if our lives is in danger for trying to save neighbours! Matthew 10:23
To the best of my understanding!

achorladey:


People from different cultures on earth studied the BIBLE ,and afterwards makes FIRM CONVICTION based on their various UNDERSTANDING!

Those whose line of thought are in agreement and including THOSE who have DIFFERING OPINIONS should sees one another as brothers since it's the same FAITH that governs them, but once their is contradicting ideas on the conclusion of some tribe and others about the TEACHINGS CONTAINED in the BIBLE, that is not enough to make or promote DIVISIONS and rendering their CHRISTIAN BROTHERS as JUST NEIGHBOURS.

Since I know you read the Bible and I also read the same Bible, your understanding of the TEACHINGS therein of it differs in OPINIONS and UNDERSTANDING from mine.

So instead of arguing,it's better we see still see each other as BROTHERS in CHRIST because we still both EXERCISE FAITH in HIM since we still study the same BIBLE and CONFESS CHRIST but have DIFFERING opinions DESPITE LIVING FAR AWAY from EACH OTHER!

Whom you choose to agree with or disagree with DOES not in anyway divide Christ in the heart of those EXERCISING FAITH in him. We are all ENCOURAGED to SANCTIFY CHRIST as LORD in our HEARTS and that means expressing same love JESUS expressed to all of US while we are STILL SINNERS Christ died for us this also means we too do not work out EVIL towards one another despite DISAGREEMENT.

So for now i've NEVER SEEN you nor know where you live therefore we're both STRANGERS but in JESUS CHRIST we cannot be STRANGERS

Ephesians 2: 19,20 So you are NO LONGER STRANGERS and FOREIGNERS, but you are FELLOW CITIZENS of the HOLY ONES and are MEMBERS of the HOUSEHOLD of GOD, 20 and you have been built up on the FOUNDATION of the APOSTLES and PROPHETS, while CHRIST JESUS HIMSELF is the FOUNDATION CORNERSTONE.

That cornerstone will NEVER DISAPPOINT US. So despite we are NOT SEEING eye to eye we remain BROTHERS because the WILL of the FATHER that made us BROTHERS, SISTERS, and MOTHERS is RECOGNIZING JESUS CHRIST and EXERCISING faith in JESUS CHRIST.

achorladey:




Maximus69: It's appropriate to distinguish between these two words.

Achorladey: Interesting line of THOUGHT.

Maximus69 ¤Brothers

Achorladey: Yes!

Maximus69: ¤Neighbours

Achorladey: Yes

Maximus69: While the first had many things in common,they often relate with each other,other people notice the connection between them and so can make positive or negative reports about a one individuals to his brother on many occasions.

Achorladey: Brother.......

boy or man who has one or both of thesame parents as you: a man who is from the same group orcountry as you: a male member of a religious group

Maximus69: Neighbours are people living next to you,you only relate with them when necessary,most times you just greet and walk away. Some neighbours might live all their lives without having anything to do with each other than mere greeting!

Achorladey: Neighbours.......


person who lives next to or near another person: a person or thing that is next to or near another

1: one living or located near anotherhad lunch with her next-door neighbor

2: fellowman thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself — Matthew 19:19 (King James Version)

Maximus69: So the Samaritan showed he love his neighbour by making sure of his well being but afterwards he might walk away and never see each other again.

Achorladey:

When Jesus gave the parable illustrating genuine love of neighbor, he chose, not the FIGURE of a FELLOW ISRAELITE or JUDEAN, but that of a Samaritan, a man “of another nation,” whose religion DIFFERED from that of the JEWS in GENERAL, whose RELIGION many of them DESPISED, a man toward whom they felt SUPERIOR in their RIGHTEOUSNESS. He said that sonship with God who “makes his sun rise on wicked people and good and makes it rain upon righteous people and unrighteous” IS NOT demonstrated simply by LOVE and WARMTH toward ONE’S BROTHERS while being COOL and DISTANT in ONE’S DEALINGS with all OTHERS. It called for love TOWARD those whom it is most DIFFICULT to LOVE, even those who APPEAR as ENEMIES, and for the EXPRESSION of a FRIENDLY attitude TOWARD not just ONE’S BROTHERS but those not ONE’S BROTHERS, toward “OUTSIDERS.”

Maximus69: But that's not applicable to brothers,as they must ask after or call on each other from time to time!

Achorladey: After reading the above response based on one of the part of this post am responding to you will be able to decide its APPLICATIONS or NOT.

Maximus69: For instance there are so many living closeby as neighbours but how many do we call on like brothers?

Achorladey: Proverbs 18:24 made a case for something of note. It states.....
There are companions ready to crush one another, But there is a FRIEND( which can be OUR NEIGHBORS) who STICKS closer than a BROTHER. So how do you express love to SUCH a friend or NEIGHBOUR as it were?

Maximus69: Jesus said 'love you neighbour as yourself' Mark 12:31

Achorladey: Yes!

Maximus69: but to brothers{Christians as in those having the same faith} Jesus gave a NEW law saying you MUST love your brother JUST AS I HAVE LOVED YOU. John 13:34,35.

Achorladey: John 13:34,35.....am giving you a new commandment, that you love one another; just as I have loved you, you also love one another. 35 By this all will know that you are my disciples—if you have love among yourselves.

I sometimes just wonder how you are laboring to bring the DIFFERENCE between love of BROTHERS and LOVE of NEIGHBOURS. Can you love your blood brothers more than yourself, were your answer be YES, Proverbs 18:24 also states some of our NEIGHBORS can be so loving than A BROTHER, so how are we expected to love our NEIGHBORS?

Maximus69: Surely Jesus died for his brothers and his law says the same to those claiming brothers in Christ,

Achorladey: John 15: 12,13....

12 This is my commandment, that you love one another just as I have loved you. 13 No ONE has love GREATER than this, that SOMEONE should SURRENDER his LIFE in BEHALF of his FRIENDS.

Maximus69: but regarding neighbours Jesus didn't expect a christian to die for their love!

Apart from what Jesus himself said about dying for FRIENDS as recorded in John 15: 12,13 a look at what PAUL recorded in Romans 5: 6-8 is another eye opener on this particular point.

Romans 5: 6-8.....

For, indeed, while we were still weak, Christ died for UNGODLY MEN at the APPOINTED TIME. 7 For HARDLY would anyone die for a RIGHTEOUS MAN; though perhaps for a GOOD MAN SOMEONE may DARE to DIE. 8 But God recommends his own love to us in that, while we were YET SINNERS, Christ DIED for us.

Maximus69: We try our best for them and run if our lives is in danger for trying to save neighbours! Matthew 10:23

Achorladey: This is Matthew 10:23..... When they persecute you in one city, flee to another; for truly I say to you, you will by no means complete the circuit of the cities of Israel until the Son of man arrives

I don't know how PERSECUTIONS being discussed here relates with love of NEIGHBORS and DYING for NEIGHBOURS.


Maximus69: To the best of my understanding!

Achorladey: I hope you get to add one or two things to your knowledge about the good Samaritan parable and what love of NEIGHBOURS mean. It's not far from Matthew 5: 42-48.

OLAADEGBU:


You have not denied it, have you?

Maximus69:
That's why i said 'you can't be my brother in Christ if you don't understand simple logic and at the same time arguing against practical applications of what you DON'T know!'
Well Christian life is about preaching and teaching neighbours to SAVE them from everlasting condemnation but when persecution won't allow Christian activities in any place,Jesus said 'FLEE' meaning those ignorant people in persecuted lands are doomed as they'll surely miss the life~saving good news which ONLY those fleeing Christians can pass onto them!
Any intellectual can grasp the simple logic Sir!

TATIME:
You know if Eve have used her power of thought like this,Satan would have lost this battle long ago in the garden and it wouldn't have affected any of her children?
You're surely equipped now for baptisn as a fully competent and completely equipped minister of the good news because i can perceive the spiritual armor all around your body spiritually speaking,now the scripture has been fulfilled on your part Maximus when Isaiah said "no weapon fashioned against you shall have any success and any tongue that rises against you shall be put to silence,this is the inheritance of Jehovah's servants and their righteousness is from me" is the utterance of Jehovah! Isaiah 54:17
Bravo Maximus! Jehovah,Jesus,the anointed holy ones in heaven,the angels and all the association of JWs globally are proud to have you as one of us!
Anymore deceptive query from you? Pastor, Prophet, Most Senior Apostle, Dr, Bishop, Superintendent and his holiness none denominational achorladey all protocol duly observed Sir!

TATIME:


Deny for where?
No wahala Kumuyi boy! Na Tatime be all the JWs on NL!
So what about your lying daddy G.O.? Are you ready to confess he has been using JWs publications to mumulize una?

OLAADEGBU:


So you cannot say the truth for once and put the satan to shame?

OLAADEGBU:


Do you believe that all scriptures (New and Old Testaments) are inspired by God?



I have discovered the sure way of making the false JW's to beat it when they turn up at my door is to ask them to pray before we start the discussion.



It is one thing to teach people using the inspired Word of God to convince, convict and convert sinners to Christ and it is another thing to teach using the Watchtower magazine to brainwash its adherents, thereby making them ten times children of perdition.



Did you perform your civic duties during elections?



How does your Watchtower magazine twists it?



That's why you cannot fault Muslims for having their own assemblies.

Maximus69:
And publicly accusing,cursing or insulting believers from some other sources should be outlawed because it could lead to serious conflicts just as we're hearing many cases in the northern part of Nigeria.

Maximus69:
Good to hear that Sir!
It's OK that everyone carries the Bible and explained it as 'the spirit' grants them the interpretations,so each person is FREE to make a public presentation of what 'the spirit' reveals to him without trying to deprive others from considering interpretations from other sources! And publicly accusing,cursing or insulting believers from some other sources should be outlawed because it could lead to serious conflicts just as we're hearing many cases in the northern part of Nigeria.
Jesus is from Nazareth{Israel},he lived 2,000 years ago,all that anyone can say about him is within what's recorded in the Bible. I think since everyone can read it,simple presentations is enough to help interested persons to know who Jesus is without insulting,cursing or accusing others!

OLAADEGBU:


They may even attempt to enter the zoo to play with their lion-pet.

Barristter07:


This time around gently, Comprehend the highlighted part. Emphasis on " No ONE " and " UNLESS "

Now the question again: If No one will enter the kingdom of God UNLESS they are born again , Is Moses and David Born again ? Will they enter the Kingdom of God ?

Take note: No one . ( that nullify your old and new convenant explanation )

OLAADEGBU:


Are you not the same TATIME? Say the truth and lie not.

OLAADEGBU:
www.livingwaters.com

"How can one witness to a Jehovah's Witness? They know so much about the bible and even revered Jesus but they don't believe that Jesus is God." Rocio Soto

I make it a habit not to try and convince a Jehovah's Witness that Jesus is God in human form. There are two reasons for this.

The first is that they have their own version of the Bible that removes references to the true nature of Jesus.

brocab:
Of course you don't believe in Hell, so it aren't worth arguing! and of course it doesn't matter how many times the bible spells it out, you will deny it even exist..
The bible talks about the place called Hades-Hades is a temporary place for both the lost and the Old Testament saints-and Lazarus was in the bosom of Abraham, while the rich man was on the other side of the gulf.[/color] {Acts 2:1}
But Hades is not hell. Hades is a term that refers, broadly, to the realm of the dead, a temporary place where the dead await resurrection.
{Revelation 20:11–15} A key passage in the discussion on where Jesus was for the three days in between His death and resurrection is {1 Peter 3:18–19} which says, “Christ also suffered once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive in the spirit, in which he went and proclaimed to the spirits in prison”
Our Lord Jesus yielded His spirit to the Father, died physically, and entered paradise, as He had promised the thief on the cross {Luke 23:43}
Jesus gathered all the redeemed who were in paradise and took them to their permanent dwelling in heaven. At some time between His death and resurrection, Jesus also visited a place where He delivered a message to spirit beings—probably fallen angels {Jude 1:6} these spirits were probably imprisoned because they were somehow involved in a grievous sin before the flood in Noah’s time {1 Peter 3:20}
That is, after securing their salvation on the cross, Jesus brought Abraham, David, Joshua, Daniel, Moses, the beggar Lazarus, the thief on the cross, and everyone else who had previously been justified by faith, and led them from Hades to their new spiritual home.
Now I am not expecting you to even believe Jesus can do such a thing-But Heaven wasn't open up for business before Jesus came on the seine, since all authority was given to Him-without Christ, no-one will enter God's domain!!!

Scholar8200:

But their name subtly contradicts their claim (and by extension, their version of the bible)

I quote entirely from their New World translation:
But you will receive power when the holy spirit comes upon you,+ and you will be witnesses+ of me in Jerusalem,+ in all Ju·deʹa and Sa·marʹi·a,+ and to the most distant part* of the earth.” Acts 1:8 (NWT)

Who said the highlighted? The Lord Jesus Christ. I am glad He didnt (neither did their translation)say,"you will be witnesses of Jehovah".
Now if Jesus Christ gave that command and they say are Jehovah's Witnesses, will it be illogical to say that they agree that, as Jesus revealed , "I and My Father are One" John 10:31!!! Hence people who purport to carry out Jesus'command in that verse name themselves Jehovah's (instead of Jesus') witness.

sonofthunder:

splendid sir.... you never lose the spirit.

Barristter07:


How does that address the question asked ?

Maximus69:
It's good that i came on NL,because how on earth am i supposed to know that Pastor Kumuyi is only breeding incompetent followers labeling themselves born again Christians!
Some faith strengthening questions that a sound Bible student supposed to dust off with efficacy and the next thing is guessing the source of the question!
If Tatime and Barrister is the same person,honestly speaking how does that truthfully address the question on ground?
I came here to make jest of JWs because i began suspecting my Bible study conductor when he asked me not to listen to other sources but to my shocking surprise what i got is exactly the opposite! Instead of making jest of JWs,my faith in the worldwide group as a global family of true Christians is solidified
All these guys are just talking off point and inconsequential in their attempt to quote fitting texts when they try quoting the scriptures! My first attempt was to make them realise that as a neutral observer the none denomination should be dropped so that their arguments could make real sense but instead of sincerely changing the subject they all became heady blindly arguing in support of what's lost! And now this one is guessing if Tatime is Barrister to address a question.
No wonder Mr Achorladey accepted them as his Christian brothers,that one can't talk straight when asked a sincere question. Certainly they're just harboring animosity against JWs without any concrete reason for so doing!

achorladey

Achorladey: MEETING address, www.nairaland.com/religion.

Scholar8200:
Glory to God!!!

Scholar8200:

But their name subtly contradicts their claim (and by extension, their version of the bible)

I quote entirely from their New World translation:
But you will receive power when the holy spirit comes upon you,+ and you will be witnesses+ of me in Jerusalem,+ in all Ju·deʹa and Sa·marʹi·a,+ and to the most distant part* of the earth.” Acts 1:8 (NWT)

Who said the highlighted? The Lord Jesus Christ. I am glad He didnt (neither did their translation)say,"you will be witnesses of Jehovah".
Now if Jesus Christ gave that command and they say are Jehovah's Witnesses, will it be illogical to say that they agree that, as Jesus revealed , "I and My Father are One" John 10:31!!! Hence people who purport to carry out Jesus'command in that verse name themselves Jehovah's (instead of Jesus') witness.

Maximus69:
I've asked the same question and the answer is this!
The whole nation of Israel claim to be Jehovah's Witnesses based on what Isaiah wrote at 43:10,so it's pointless bearing the same label with those faithless murderers who were fortunate to be contemporaries of the long awaiting Messiah or Christ[Jesus].
To distinguish the faithful ones who keep in mind all the prophetic writings pointing to Jesus as the rightful Messiah amidst other self acclaimed false Messiahs that they might have heard and seen in the past, Jesus told his disciples 'you will be witnesses of me'. This means that the Christians are to go and proclaim to all those living far and near that the promised Messiah has arrived,thereafter TEACHING them all the commands of the Messiah!
So those faithful Jews are given the assignment to teach people NOT the old commandments that Moses mediate between God and Israel,but the NEW commandments of the Christ as Moses himself has prophesied! Deuteronomy 18:15-18
The group label 'CHRISTIAN' has fulfilled that assignment as observers in Antioch labelled those Jews with that divine group name!
Today, Jehovah's Witnesses are bearing the ORIGINAL name God gave all his faithful worshipers including Jesus! Revelation 1:5 Compare to Hebrew 11:4-12:1 Note the names of prechristian faithful servants of God listed as Witnesses.Of course they are all Jehovah's Witnesses!
This is just according to their explanation and i was satisfied with it. if any have a contrary opinion such a person can discard this as gibberish and continue seeing them as none Christians. But with what i've seen and heard they're making sense TO ME!

Maximus69:
Hmmm, From Janosky's post i can discern that Jesus purposely brought a body that would convince (DOUBTFUL) Thomas that he has been resurrected!

If angels appeared to Abraham,Jacob and Lot. If those angels ate PHYSICAL food before them and they can touch those angels, surely any other angel can equally materialise or dematerialize for a purpose!

So Jesus never brought in those wounds to prove before all his disciples that he has been resurrected but to help only one person,and that is Thomas who said 'unless i stick my finger into those nail wounds,i won't believe' John 20:25

TATIME:
If Jesus could say angels in heaven rejoices over one single soul that's able to grasp this message,do you think it's easy or difficult to understand?
Well Maximus i rejoice with you for getting the sense of the TRUTH, please fix your eyes on the price and "BE BOLD" that's the topic of our Assembly. Looking forward to seeing you my brother!

Maximus69:
That's why i said 'you can't be my brother in Christ if you don't understand simple logic and at the same time arguing against practical applications of what you DON'T know!'
Well Christian life is about preaching and teaching neighbours to SAVE them from everlasting condemnation but when persecution won't allow Christian activities in any place,Jesus said 'FLEE' meaning those ignorant people in persecuted lands are doomed as they'll surely miss the life~saving good news which ONLY those fleeing Christians can pass onto them!
Any intellectual can grasp the simple logic Sir!

Maximus69:
You can NEVER be my brother in faith if we're not in agreement!
Sorry that makes no practical sense Sir,i can only agree you're a neighbour and that's if you're living close by! This is not confusing neither difficult to grasp Mr Achorladey!

Emusan:


So Jesus PURPOSELY DECEIVED Thomas and other disciples by bringing FAKE BODY to show them....

Actually, Satan is a very deceptive being...

Another thing, if Jesus actually appeared to his disciples with different bodies...then it means Jesus sacrificed His body more than once.



Are you saying Jesus turned back to Angel after He was resurrected?



So why will Jesus brought back a body if the body doesn't belong to him anymore?

You can see the lie of your organization being exposed here...yet you people will say "you can't get whatever you've sacrificed back" but to support your devilish doctrine you have to agree that Jesus can get the same body back to deceive Thomas.

God will have mercy on you people....

achorladey:


Maximus69: You can NEVER be my brother in faith if we're not in agreement!

Achorladey: Its your worry not mine, You have stated it repeatedly, I have showed you what it means to be CALLED Jesus brothers from the scriptures, you have decided to ignore, EVEN the GB don't see you as CHRIST BROTHERS, its not new to say that. It is your palaver.

Even our brothers whom we are RELATED to by blood we get to DISAGREE sometimes, yet that does not make us TAG them FRIENDS or JUST NEIGHBOURS because we DISAGREE on so many things. They still remain our BROTHERS/SISTERS/ MOTHERS how much more those related to us by FAITH and are SANCTIFYING Christ as LORD in their HEARTS.

Maximus69: Sorry that makes no practical sense Sir,

Achorladey: What is it that makes no practical sense?

Maximus69: i can ONLY AGREE you're a NEIGHBOUR and that's if you're LIVING CLOSE BY!

Achorladey: Oh I thought and believe the good Samaritan was living beside the man he HELPED. Loooooool. The good Samaritan house number must be NO. 1 Broad street while the man attacked is living at NO.2 Broad street. Smh!

Maximus69: This is not confusing neither difficult to grasp Mr Achorladey!

Achorladey: Go back and read the post you responded to, what was pasted there was not muddled up to make the mind wander.