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Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by OLAADEGBU(m): 5:00pm On Mar 17, 2019 |
Barristter07: How can I be a troll on my own thread?
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Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by Barristter07: 7:28pm On Mar 17, 2019 |
OLAADEGBU: All right . Here is the question to determine if You are not an enemy of Christ. 1. Which part of a man is the Real person - his ordinary body OR soul/Spirit ? 2. Concerning Jesus - Which died, His Ordinary body or Soul/Spirit ? Don't be scared, just attempt 1 Like |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by Hairyrapunzel: 8:24pm On Mar 17, 2019 |
Barristter07: So they now have the part of man that is the real and fake person? Lol OK which part of man is the fake person - his ordinary body or soul/spirit? You guys will be asking rubbish questions. 1 Like |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by Nobody: 8:40pm On Mar 17, 2019 |
Barristter07:I don't think he can answer any critical question because Pastor Kumuyi is their spokesperson all his church members only listen to him and keep posting his cartoons,that's all! One old Yoruba General related how this so called born again brainwashing began. According to him, one man whose father was a native doctor claiming he can cure insanes inherited his father's charms and he used those charms to gather members,he also use the cane his late father use to control the psychopaths brought to him on the members of his church. He was so popular that everyone knew him as Jesu Oyingbo [Jesus of Oyingbo] because his church was built around Oyingbo[ Ebute~Metta,Lagos] According to General,this man always say 'Yee must be born again!' and despite all his wayward life and covetousness he hypnotised all his members with charms until his death before they scattered. Before then the churches weren't possessed with the born again thing! 2 Likes |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by Nobody: 9:18pm On Mar 17, 2019 |
Perhaps this man is also a JW because of his REAL life experience with politics! He is a Nigerian and to a degree we can say he has money to run for political post,but guess what he was told. What really baffles me is when some people accuses JWs of being a cult,yet they've got nothing to do with politics! Now everyone can see that politicians are nothing but cultists, let's conclude that those pastors in politics have nothing to do with cult,they just used the power of holy ghost to enter the arena of politics! Jehovah's Witnesses! Thank God i listened to you people! 1 Like
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Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by OLAADEGBU(m): 10:33pm On Mar 17, 2019 |
Barristter07: All trolls are blacklisted on this thread. 1 Like
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Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by johnw47: 12:14am On Mar 18, 2019 |
TATIME: lying false jw Tatime truly you are of your father the devil when you speak lies you are just speaking naturally, like your father does, etc. Joh_8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. but the reason you reply with your usual lies and garbage is because you cannot deny you are paranoid which by the way is from your daddy the devil 1 Like |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by johnw47: 12:23am On Mar 18, 2019 |
OLAADEGBU: that's just another lie from lie lie barristter and lie lie is calling brocab a liar, ha ha 1 Like |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by brocab: 12:31am On Mar 18, 2019 |
Maximus69:If you believe the above-then why are you coming to us as a Jehovah Witness trying to push another doctrine to us believers. Maximus69: |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by brocab: 12:37am On Mar 18, 2019 |
First you said: you were a soldier-then you said; you were Mafia-and now you are claiming to be a JW? Maximus69: |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by brocab: 12:40am On Mar 18, 2019 |
But it's understandable-someone like yourself having no understanding-you without knowledge will never understand Christ.. Barristter07: 1 Like |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by johnw47: 12:50am On Mar 18, 2019 |
Barristter07: Maximus69: the devils spirit at work there, like old women gossips, ha ha lie lie barristter, that is why you are called lie lie barristter lying false jw mad max, what you call my insults and curses is in fact truth, but you know little about that Jud 1:18 How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts. 2Ti 3:13 But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived. 2Ti 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; 2Pe 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. 2Pe 3:3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, Psa 37:12 The wicked plotteth against the just, and gnasheth upon him with his teeth. Psa 37:13 The Lord shall laugh at him: for he seeth that his day is coming. we christians laugh with the LORD . 1 Like |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by brocab: 1:25am On Mar 18, 2019 |
Without even thinking about it, try reading the bible-instead of listening to unskilled Watchtower literature that fills your heart with doctrines of unscriptural knowledge, if you were truly a man of God-you wouldn't be arguing against the Word of God! Your religion began in 1870, by a Adventist Mason-who called himself Charles Russell.. Charles Russell was a Mason of heart, and yet Russell claimed he knew God 'being the founder of the Watchtower, he created a house of prophets and scholars from false prophesies he added and removed bible passages, a 1870 reject wrote a new bible that holds no spiritual valve, that not even you would use nor agree the NWT bible is subjected to the truth! And this is your religion you hold your valves upon! Maximus69: 1 Like |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by Nobody: 7:29am On Mar 18, 2019 |
brocab:Mr brocab Sir,it's how well that matters most than how far! Neutrality is what i am using as my personal key here. Jesus was born by a Carpenter,he's mother got pregnant before sleeping with his father,he grew up to become a carpenter,nobody knew Jesus as a teacher or scholar in any rabbinical school[as Bible school was called then] until he went to John[his COUSIN] for baptism,thereafter he began gatheting followers and performing signs. Hmmm if i should critically look into his background,i will never have accept him as the Messiah/Christ. But what about prophecies regarding the messiah that WASN'T compiled in one single column in the scripture? His powerful teachings that turned Jewish zealots{thugs fighting for freedom of the jewish nation} to harmless sheepish citizens? You have to start quoting from different Bible books and correlating them to prove that Jesus is the Messiah,this is what made it so difficult for those first century Jews to accept Jesus' teachings because they claim that first century Christians do cherry-pick scriptures to support their leader! Today instead of concentrating on the prophesies about what TRUE Christians would achieve in this last days, most people are just supportive of the long time tradition that's common! Well Maximus don't know Russel neither do i know any of this so called founders of churches today,but one thing i know is that logically Churches are formed and they do breakaway from one another yet there is nothing of any significance or uniqueness,it's still the same tradition that's carried from generation to generation. The group that Russel started in the 1870s have also broken to pieces just like other churches formed before and after the twentieth century but one out of Russels arrangement has emerged with tremendous achievements that's undeniable! 3 Likes |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by Nobody: 8:08am On Mar 18, 2019 |
brocab:Did you just type this or someone did so in your behalf Mr brocab? Please stop pilling up unforgivable sin on yourself Sir! Jesus said every sin shall be forgiven except that which is committed against Gods holy spirit.Matthew 12:21 I awakened you from slumbering when you pointedly said one can be saved with other people's BLOOD. I reminded you what God's word said that ONLY Jesus' BLOOD can save. Please between me and you, who is responsible for believing in other doctrine apart from God's word? Is it i that's keeping the faith in the power of Jesus' BLOOD, or you that's insinuating trying another person's BLOOD Well may God forgive you because you're just fighting against true faith yet calling yourself a believer {Act 7:60}whereas your MISDIRECTED faith is in just any kind of BLOOD{Romans 10:2,3} you only pay lips service to Jesus' BLOOD! Matthew 15:8,9 3 Likes |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by Nobody: 9:04am On Mar 18, 2019 |
johnw47:Of course Mr John,after reading through your FINE responses to every post everyone can testify that you are a REAL born again Christian Sir! 1Peter 3:15 God bless you! 2 Likes |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by Nobody: 10:37am On Mar 18, 2019 |
Maximus69:Thanks Maximus! When i first read the four gospels ,meditated on Jesus' teachings and try relating it to the reaction of His contemporaries who turned against Him even fighting hard to stop His followers from telling people about Jesus. I began doubting the whole thing because it seems so unreal! How on earth can normal people start doing all that just for the sake of old traditions that they never knew those who established it? They saw Jesus,all that He did,how He turned stubborn tax collector,fisherman,lawyer and so on to peace loving,mild tempered and responsible citizens, but they're so obsessed with those old traditions that their conscience died completely! But after i started studying the Bible with Jehovah's Witnesses, Jesus' story became REAL to me! Now i know that all what i read in the pages of the Bible are facts and that normal people can do even worse than that! 2 Likes |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by Nobody: 12:48pm On Mar 18, 2019 |
TATIME:Hmmm so true Sir, That means all these aren't just pretext,my God! So they thought they're actually fighting for a just course! But why is it they're not thinking about Jesus' own words as recorded in the Bible? Jesus said 'he that doesn't gather with me scatters' Matthew 12:30 They're claiming NONE DENOMINATIONAL when Jesus repeatedly made mention of FOLD! What exactly could that mean to them? Isn't that enough sign to help them know they're scattered? How am i going to feel i belong to a Master,Lord and King like Jesus without visibly worshiping together with like minded people? If Jesus is REAL and his followers,and they were the target of Satan during the first century, how can anyone convince me that the present day followers of this same Jesus can't be recognized as a GROUP today? Thanks to your folks Tatime,and the greatest thanks goes to Jehovah and his son Jesus who said 'if the tree is not good it will never bring good fruits!' Matthew 12:33-37 1 Like |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by asalimpo(m): 1:23pm On Mar 18, 2019 |
CAPTIVATOR:you mean the grave. Sure all die but not all go to hell. You jws always wish tht hell is d grave even though scriptures indicate numerous times that it is a place of torment |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by Nobody: 2:29pm On Mar 18, 2019 |
asalimpo:I also finds it difficult to agree with the JWs on that until i meditated prayerfully on two Biblical texts! [1] Leviticus 11:44 God is HOLY! [2] Luke 18:18,19 God is GOOD! These two verses really contradicts the idea of an eternal place of torment prearranged by the One who is described as HOLY and GOOD! Holy means pure~clean~without blemish, so the idea of keeping living and conscious creatures in excruciating pains for all eternity becomes an illusion! Why? Because such thought is EVIL! There is no correlation between Holiness and such intent of horrible torture! Jeremiah 7:31 For instance you might be wooed with the idea of wicked people like witches, murderers, armed robbers and co fine! But what about those who simply refused to become Christians due to their background? Will God also keep them under such conditions for sticking to their parents faith? Let's consider what Jesus said about GOOD. He specifically mention good in connection with giving what a child demands from his father! Now people globally prays often by means of different religions and they do claim that this same God is granting their requests, this means they believe in God but majority don't accept Christ. So will this GOOD Father/God keep them in pains forever because they UNINTENTIONALLY missed the way? What about the first and foremost sinner who brought all these upon us all? Remember that most people doing evil things and worshiping idols today can't do so if we're all living in Eden where there is no anxiety! Which means there will be no hurry hurry in getting rich, lying, stealing, cheating, killing, dealing with demons as witches or wizards! So Adam and Eve caused all of these. Yet God's judgement on these two rebels is DEATH and a return to dust, nothing added! The Bible even say the wages of sin is DEATH! Romans 6:23 Please one needs to be calm on this matters so that we can fully grasp which one is a metaphor or literal, it's either the words GOOD+HOLY has some hidden meaning from what we generally think those words meant or the eternal torment we are taking literally means something else! Revelations 20:10 2 Likes |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by asalimpo(m): 2:35pm On Mar 18, 2019 |
pressplay411: Jesus said paradise not father's house. There's a difference. Jws dont practice d bible. They are hooked on empty religion. The command of Jesus after resurrection is to go out nd preach the gospel to every creature. Is that what jws do? What is d gospel? Jws knock on ur gate and want to tell you how God's name is Jehovah (who cares? What does that hav to do with anything?). Then they build off that to say you should address God by his name not a title? So G-O-D is a title? First God's name ISNT Jehovah. And God HAS MANY NAMES.Secondly this isnt the gospel!The apostles didnt go about splitting hairs over God's name.They were getting ppl saved and baptized in the Holy Ghost! |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by asalimpo(m): 2:47pm On Mar 18, 2019 |
achorladey:bros, answer the question and stop being evasive. Burying your head in d sand to blot out the sun is hypocrisy nd foolishness. Too many scriptures point to Jesus as Lord AND Saviour. What dyu do with those verses? Still arguing blindly? Yet many of you claim to only be persuaded by the scriptures. Indeed! |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by asalimpo(m): 3:13pm On Mar 18, 2019 |
OLAADEGBU:any1 still wanting to argue after all these is simply dishonest and prideful. Choosing rather to be married to false teaching rather than forsake them and change his ways in the light of truth. |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by asalimpo(m): 3:30pm On Mar 18, 2019 |
Hairyrapunzel:this is belated , but the dude was simply dodging the truth all along. With copious verses on Jesus being Lord and Saviour,any doubter should have dropped his erroneous views in a heart beat but here i saw pointless and foolish evasiveness. Proof that people are always biased in their beliefs, they then concoct reasonings to support their stands rather than change for the truth 1 Like |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by pressplay411(m): 3:50pm On Mar 18, 2019 |
asalimpo: I pray for more understanding for us all. JW know the letter but not with understanding because they quench the Spirit and only the Holy Spirit gives understanding. I admire their passion and commitment for soul winning, but absent the Holy Spirit, the purpose is defeated. I pray God raises His True labourers in every church denomination, that we may truly become united in Faith. May every spirit of division, sin, pride, lust and rebellion be cast away from the body of Christ in Jesus name and may the gates of hell never prevail according the promise of our Lord Jesus Christ. May the Kingdom of God be truly established on earth as it is in heaven in Jesus name. Amen. |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by asalimpo(m): 3:50pm On Mar 18, 2019 |
Maximus69:nice semantics from human view point BUT LET THE BIBLE SPEAK FOR ITSELF. Stop trying to put words in the Horses mouth. How could a Good Loving God send ppl to Hell forever? Nice stumping question. Nice. In today's humanistic world view,where secular nations send aid to countries ravaged by natural disaster,it's just unfathomable. Many hav left christianity all together because of this scary concept. Many who preach dont preach much about it. They back off. This question is prideful. Full of stinking human self righteousness tht believes it knows the absolute form righteousness should be . This mindset,i know it all,has led to d abolishment of the death penalty. Treating animals as if they are human etc. With over respect. Point is, the bible is unequivocally clear that there is a place of torment: hell nd the lake of fire. And that ppl will b there. Arguing about is as pointless as arguing about the existence of the moon because of our own warped criteria. To b able to question God's morality,we should know as much as God knows. Then, we will b able to fault Him. Otherwise,it's simply wisdom to take Him at His word. A primary school student cant argue with the teacher over mathematics concepts because the student just doesnt know enough to qualify him/her to judge. |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by asalimpo(m): 3:53pm On Mar 18, 2019 |
pressplay411:Amen o! 1 Like |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by asalimpo(m): 4:10pm On Mar 18, 2019 |
@maximus69 The bible says "the wicked shall be cast into hell and all the nations that forsake God". The bible says "hell has enlarged itself to meet you" the bible says "in hell the richman lifted up his eyes in fire ". Which grave has fire? When u put all hell verses together you CANNOT HONESTLY conclude that hell is d common grave. Why would God warn d wicked about being turned into hell,if it is the common destiny of every one? Your mistake is that you ppl equate death with CESSATION. So you erroneously assume that physcal death is d end. But the bible talks of 3 kinds of deaths: - physical death - spiritual death - the second death. When God warned Adam about eating the fruit forbidden,He was expressly told that IN THE DAY he eats it. He shall die? In the very day (kjv). If he eats it on monday,he dies that monday. Eat it tueday,he dies tuesday. But did Adam die then,physically? No. But he died spiritually then. Eventually his spiritual death resulted in physical death. Only the kjv renders that verse right gen2v17. Look it up in the hebrew. The NT talks many times of the unbelievers being DEAD IN SIN and trespasses(spiritual death). They were spiritually dead,yet still alive physically? How could this be? Death isnt cessation except for physical death. |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by Nobody: 4:21pm On Mar 18, 2019 |
asalimpo:Please try to be specific here Sir! Due to these inhuman ideology of tormenting people in fire forever great damage has been caused by Religion as a whole because intellectuals will never agree that someone in his right mind could think of such! So let's take it one after the other. [1] What is happening to Adam and Eve right now, if they ever existed? [2]What is the meaning of HOLY and GOOD according to the scriptures? [3]Do we existed before coming to live on earth? [4]What part of human survives death so that it could be conscious of punishment after life? [5]Who is Satan the devil and what is his role in all of this? [6]Where are we going to spend eternity if we eventually survive all these traps{as we're taught that it's from Satan}? [7]Did God prearranged all of these or he later created {hellfire} after the rebellion in Eden? [8]Did God created us here first to test us in the hands of Satan before taking us to the proper place? Please these thought provoking questions demands intelligent answers backed with scriptural references otherwise faith in the Bible will certainly be an illusion! I believe God wouldn't demand that we go abroad to preach without equipping us with mind blowing answers that's efficient,we should be able to answer those who demands a reason to back up our beliefs even before those who don't believe in books like Bible! 3 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by Nobody: 4:41pm On Mar 18, 2019 |
Maximus69:Whoever dismisses these questions without attending to it with strong reasoning can't truly be a Christian! Paul made mentioned of our mental powers being guided. Philippians 4:7 Surely our power of reasoning must be able to comprehend whatever we believe and we must be able to impact or inculcate it in the minds of other intelligent beings with efficacy. Not just forcefully telling someone from other religious background "God will burn you forever in hellfire for disagreeing with our concept" Is that not the same thing Muslims claims? So what's the difference? Good points you've got there Maximus! 2 Likes |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by asalimpo(m): 5:00pm On Mar 18, 2019 |
Maximus69:so the answers to this unscriptural questions is the KEY to understanding HEAVEN ND HELL ISSUE? Dude stop being proud. God's word is the standard not our own fabricated standard. Holy could mean anything you want it to mean- IT DOESNT AFFECT ANYTHING ABOUT HELL BEING a place of torment. - whether adam pre-existed or not is irrelevant. The bible talks of hel being a place of torment with fire (see story about lazarus nd the richman- it is not a parable!) - understanding the legality or justice (or lack of it) is IRRELEVANT. You dont know how your phone renders text to ur phone screen, yet u use it. You arent even qualified to know how it works-you just BELIEVE it. We dont need to know how hell and Justice can b aligned,but the bible is clear about it,so we can choose to believe it or not. To critique God's justice, you have to as much as God knows on everything. Create or b able to create your galaxies in 6 days or less. Create time nd space. Create man from dust. Create dust from what? Create different angels etc. You should ofcourse b immortal. And able to go eternity without nodding from drowsiness. Answer 10 billion prayers intantly and sometimes even bf they are uttered. Then and only then can you judge whether sending a sinner to hell is just? For now you nd i dont know enough to judge. 1 Like |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by Nobody: 5:16pm On Mar 18, 2019 |
asalimpo:Good Sir, i'll just say you can't convince any right thinking person to believe what you're saying unless they've been taught all along the same logic without asking questions! Well that's the reason why JWs are better preachers and teachers,they have the boldness and confidence to approach anybody and knock on any door as they're fully loaded with convincing proofs that God created man from dust and at death man returns to dust. No more no less! God bless you Sir! 3 Likes |
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