Osagyefo98:



They are not igbos....and will never be and has not been....

They are. Not in anyway igbo Mr OP.

They are purely benin.

Igbos are so so very annoying. They just have the mentality that everything just has to be about them. If you cough its igbo cough, you urinate piiiiiii, thats igbo urine sound.
Peradventure they have similar words pronunciation with binis, yorubas or ijaws, they will shout oohhh we have same words ohhhh what a small world.... why not claim bini or yoruba or ijaw is an igbo tribe. Annoying set of people. No wonder yorubas dont see them eye to eye

Lajet:
Only Oshimili and Aniocha in Anioma don't have identity problem. Please op we have discussed this issue so many times here. Ika people are free to deny not to be igbo nobody cares stop making them feel so important. even my local government have population more than ika people.

The only problem i have with them is that they have failed to stop naming their children igbo name. most of this people have been hiding under igbo name and be committing crimes all over the world once Nigeria see any crime related to igbo name nobody cares to know if the person is from Ndokwa, Ika or Ikwerre which is very unfair to Ndigbo

Abeg make we hear word, beron man speaking hausa or answering musa is he from hausa? You guys are just so pathetic, and I mean 99percent of yall. Why do you think you have monopoly to those numenclature.as far as we are concern igbos didnt fall from Heaven, they simply got their language from somewhere or its influence by another dialect or language and that could be any language including the ikas qed

Igbos always claiming they fall from Heaven with the igbo language and every other tribe whose dialect or language shares similarities must have come from only igbo land. What about when you the igbos fall from heaven, did you fall with the language from Heaven or your ancestors put sounds (sounds you must have heard from somebody's or be inspired by something) together to form your so called language.

nasoeb:


[s]Igbos are so so very annoying. They just have the mentality that everything just has to be about them. If you cough its igbo cough, you urinate piiiiiii, thats igbo urine sound.
Peradventure they have similar words pronunciation with binis, yorubas or ijaws, they will shout oohhh we have same words ohhhh what a small world.... why not claim bini or yoruba or ijaw is an igbo tribe. Annoying set of people. No wonder yorubas dont see them eye to eye[/s]

Trash.

Osagyefo98:


Trash.

What do I expect from igbo land grabbers like you

nasoeb:

[s]What do I expect from igbo land grabbers like you[/s]

Go and eat good food.

Mr

nasoeb:

What do I expect from igbo land grabbers like you

please can you honestly tell us the lands igbo people have grabbed from the indegenes of any area in Nigeria?

nineone:
Ezechime's descendants said he's from Benin but where he's from is not my business. But what do you mean by MOST people in the Anioma group tracing their ancestry yo Ezechime? Why are you guys so ignorant? Do you even know anything about Anioma?

Ezechima was not a Bini man. If you have counter proof , state it here. I can refer you to book written by an Anioma King for clarification.

nasoeb:


Abeg make we hear word, beron man speaking hausa or answering musa is he from hausa? You guys are just so pathetic, and I mean 99percent of yall. Why do you think you have monopoly to those numenclature.as far as we are concern igbos didnt fall from Heaven, they simply got their language from somewhere or its influence by another dialect or language and that could be any language including the ikas qed

I think you have eyes problem did you see anywhere i mentioned that Ika are igbo people i made it clear i don't care if they see themselves as Igbo or not. And as for Oshimili and Aniocha there's no dispute if they are igbo or not. because they don't have identity problem they are proudly igbo.

husbandsnatcha:
God forbid ,itshekiri can never be igbo or nigerd
tufiakwa tufiakwa
dey shud join yoruba

Look at this mgbeke. The itsekiri has the largest Oil resources after Akwaibom. Let that sink into your dumb skull. The itsekiri are the owner of the oil in Delta state.

Obi1kenobi:


German and Dutch are not "mutually intelligible". They just come from the same Germanic languages family. It's like saying Yoruba and Bini are mutually intelligible. Danish and Swedish (and Norwegian) are though, but hundreds of years of history and geographic realities have forged distinct identities for each group.
Russian and Ukrainian are from the same language family, but they are not mutually intelligible, though sharing common words. If you're a Russian from St.Petersburg who has never been to Ukraine and you landed in Kyiv, you would barely understand native speakers.
These are very large groups of people with ancient histories that have spurred the distinctiveness you see today. Ethnic Russians or Ukrainians are large language groups. It's not the same thing as Isoko people asserting a different identity from Urhobo people. I want to know the basis of saying Isokos are different from Urhobos, and not just a slightly different sub-group of Urhobos. Simply saying so isn't a reason. Why are they a different group?

As much as I respect your submissions sir, I think you are contradicting yourself. First of all, Isoko language is more different from Urhobo languages than Crotian is different from Serbian or Slovenian, as well as Norwegian is different from Swedish.

I was born and bred in Delta state and I can tell you that the average Urhobo speaker doesn't understand Isoko well, but Isokos on the other hand understand Urhobo better.

At the end of the day, I think people should just be free to claim whatever identity they want. If Isokos say they are not urhobo, it's left for them, if they want to be urhobo fine for them. They should decide.

What you said about Han chinese is true, the difference between them is so wide but they choose to identify as one ethnic group, same with the Arabs, but Europeans on the other hand are not really that way, they too kind of divide themselves like we Africans, otherwise Europe wouldn't have so much ethnic based countries.

Just for the records, standard official German which is based on a more central dialect may not be very similar to Dutch, but as you go northwards Germany, the regional local German dialects of Northern Germany are very similar and mutually intelligible to Dutch. Same way as you go towards the Austrian border, the German there starts sounding more Austrian.

So, I think nineone has a point.

The Baltics (Lithuanian, Latvian and Estonian) are very similar but different ethnicities and nationalities. Spanish and Portuguese very similar but different. Galician in spain and Portuguese are just like the same language.

More examples.
Central Asians (Kyrgyz, Uzbeks and Turkmens) are very similar but different nationalities and ethnicites.
Turkish and Azeris are literally the same, but different identities. How about Persians, Daris (Afghans) and Tajiks? How about Balkan nationalities?

frankdoz28:
Aniocha, Ndokwa, Ika and Oshimilli are Igbo people and nothing can change it. Our Ancestral igbo state is known as Anioma. They forced us into delta state and that's why today if they want to call us they will refer to us as Delta-Igbos meaning the Igbos in delta state.
But today it is a pity and very shameful to see some Ika people saying they are not Igbos all because they want to answer Niger-Delta which they don't even know the meaning; some even claim to be bini of which they don't even understand come in bini language. How can you be speaking bia which is an igbo dialect and be claiming bini? are you normal? How can you be bearing an igbo name and you are claiming bini? are you sure you are okay?
If you are one of such Ika people who deny their igbo identity my dear it is high time you wake up from ignorance and tell yourself some truth. can a Yoruba man give birth to a child and give him or her an igbo name? No! Then ask yourself why our parents in Ika are always giving their children an igbo names.
I am proudly Nwa-Aba from Abavo kingdom.
Udo diri unu........

u Dey crase y didn’t u include ikwere in rivers state cos they also bear ibo names.mugu

I

asuustrike1:

Judging from op analysis, the delta igbos are indeed igbos not binis.

shut up go and look for akara and pap to eat

nasoeb:


Abeg make we hear word, beron man speaking hausa or answering musa is he from hausa? You guys are just so pathetic, and I mean 99percent of yall. Why do you think you have monopoly to those numenclature.as far as we are concern igbos didnt fall from Heaven, they simply got their language from somewhere or its influence by another dialect or language and that could be any language including the ikas qed

I don't think you can usse the Berom man example herw sir. I am from Plateau state and even though we speak Hausa very well, we atill have our own different native languages which we also speak. You guys in Anioma have no distinct native languages which you speak aside your Igbotic dialects.

As for me, I think it would be better for you guys to claim to be Igbos. In a Country like Nigeria where minority groups are opressed and misrepresented, it's puzzling how you guys will choose to be associated with a minority identity rather than a majority one. Just my opinion though.

Nowenuse:


I don't think you can usse the Berom man example herw sir. I am from Plateau state and even though we speak Hausa very well, we atill have our own different native languages which we also speak. You guys in Anioma have no distinct native languages which you speak aside your Igbotic dialects.

As for me, I think it would be better for you guys to claim to be Igbos. In a Country like Nigeria where minority groups are opressed and misrepresented, it's puzzling how you guys will choose to be associated with a minority identity rather than a majority one. Just my opinion though.

He's not from Anioma. Go to FP and beyond and see Anioma people speaking.

Lajet:


I think you have eyes problem did you see anywhere i mentioned that Ika are igbo people i made it clear i don't care if they see themselves as Igbo or not. And as for Oshimili and Aniocha there's no dispute if they are igbo or not. because they don't have identity problem they are proudly igbo.

They are proudly Igbo. Keep deceiving yourself

JAWBONE:


Ezechima was not a Bini man. If you have counter proof , state it here. I can refer you to book written by an Anioma King for clarification.

how many children does Ezechime have? How many clans claim Ezechime ancestry? If you claim to have a recent book by one of the descendants king, do you have that of the rest which are majority? Which Ezechime clan is more populous and powerful than Onicha Ado, Isele Uku? These people said Ezechime is an Edo man. These other kingdoms like Obior, Onicha Olona, Onicha Ugbo, Onicha Uku etc, can you name the ones that claim Ezechime being an Igbo man? So you have one book and you ignore the other books and facts and oral history of all the other kingdoms which happen to be the majority? Like I said earlier, I'm not interested in this Ezechime argument because my Ika has nothing to do with Ezechime. Rather, Ezechime is a descendant of Agbor according to Agbor oral tradition. If he was actually from Agbor or sojourned in Agbor is debatable and I'm not ready for that argument. My purpose of responding to your comment was your false claims that majority of Anioma are descendants of Ezechime. Do you know the meaning of Majority? Ezechime descendants in Anioma are less than 2%. Among the hundreds of clans in Anioma, about 5 are Ezechime descendants. Among those Ezechime descendants, some quarters are not descendants of Ezechime.

One thing is very common among you guys from the East. You like to claim knowledge in something you're ignorant about. And your confirmation bias is just too potent that it always becloud your sense of judgment thereby betraying your claims

nineone:
how many children does Ezechime have? How many clans claim Ezechime ancestry? If you claim to have a recent book by one of the descendants king, do you have that of the rest which are majority? Which Ezechime clan is more populous and powerful than Onicha Ado, Isele Uku? These people said Ezechime is an Edo man. These other kingdoms like Obior, Onicha Olona, Onicha Ugbo, Onicha Uku etc, can you name the ones that claim Ezechime being an Igbo man? So you have one book and you ignore the other books and facts and oral history of all the other kingdoms which happen to be the majority? Like I said earlier, I'm not interested in this Ezechime argument because my Ika has nothing to do with Ezechime. Rather, Ezechime is a descendant of Agbor according to Agbor oral tradition. If he was actually from Agbor or sojourned in Agbor is debatable and I'm not ready for that argument. My purpose of responding to your comment was your false claims that majority of Anioma are descendants of Ezechime. Do you know the meaning of Majority? Ezechime descendants in Anioma are less than 2%. Among the hundreds of clans in Anioma, about 5 are Ezechime descendants. Among those Ezechime descendants, some quarters are not descendants of Ezechime.

One thing is very common among you guys from the East. You like to claim knowledge in something you're ignorant about. And your confirmation bias is just too potent that it always becloud your sense of judgment thereby betraying your claims

First of all, I'm not from the East. What I have observed and read is that almost all the communities in the Nine local governments of Delta North share great similarities with the Igbos across the Niger in terms of language, dressing, food , rites and customs, marriages etc more than they do with the Edo Nation. Also Anioma does not just end in Delta. There are Anioma communities in Rivers, Anambra, Edo. The Igbankes in Edo state have Benin names but their language is nothing like the Benin language. It is actually closely related to the other Anioma communities than to Benin language.

JAWBONE:


First of all, I'm not from the East. What I have observed and read is that almost all the communities in the Nine local governments of Delta North share great similarities with the Igbos across the Niger in terms of language, dressing, food , rites and customs, marriages etc more than they do with the Edo Nation. Also Anioma does not just end in Delta. There are Anioma communities in Rivers, Anambra, Edo. The Igbankes in Edo state have Benin names but their language is nothing like the Benin language. It is actually closely related to the other Anioma communities than to Benin language.

what is Anioma dressing, food, rites and customs, marriages that's closer to the Igbo than they're close to the Edos? Are you making this claim because you know or just making it to deceive the gullible? If you know what you're talking about, bring out your point. And why did you single out Igbanke as if Igbanke answer a different type of name different from what other Ikas answer. And do you know anything about Anioma groups? Ika which Igbanke is part of, is a mixture of Edo and Igbo.

There are Anioma related groups in other states but they're not Anioma. Anioma is mostly a political name and if you're not politically Anioma, then you're not Anioma. But what's the most common features in all Anioma and the Anioma related groups both in Delta and outside Delta? If you know Anioma very well, all part of Anioma has this Igbo and Edo features very pronounced in them why do you want them to forget the Edo aspects?

Deltatoto:
Ishut up go and look for akara and pap to eat

keep quiet stupid kid what do you know?

pazienza:


Well, I believe this post is directed at mine.

First of all, South East are not neighbors to Ika, as we don't share land boundary with Ndi Ika. Ika neighbors are Bini, Esan and Enu-ani people.

Secondly, Ndiigbo are not Empire builders and have no history of invading, subjugating and annexing non Igbo groups.

I have Ika friends on social media and in life who consider themselves Igbos. You have no right to speak for them on this issue, as their opinion is as important as yours.
Ika in itself is not a homogenous entity, many Ika towns have different opinions about their Igbo identity, and this even goes down to individuals within these groups.

Don't get it twisted or start having a misguided illusion of anyone in Igboland trying to annex your Ikaland, no one has time for such ish. We just are Naturally attracted to friendly Ika people who identify with Ndiigbo, and we believe strongly that they atleast deserve a chance to be heard, we would not throw away the child with the bath water.

Udo.

I think you might be wrong about Igbo people not subjugating, invading and annexing non Igbo. Well the history of Afikpor and other parts of Ebonyi State seems to disagree with you on this.

letu:
I think you might be wrong about Igbo people not subjugating, invading and annexing non Igbo. Well the history of Afikpor and other parts of Ebonyi State seems to disagree with you on this.

Do you mind throwing light on the aspect of history of Afikpo you speak of ?

nineone:
what is Anioma dressing, food, rites and customs, marriages that's closer to the Igbo than they're close to the Edos? Are you making this claim because you know or just making it to deceive the gullible? If you know what you're talking about, bring out your point. And why did you single out Igbanke as if Igbanke answer a different type of name different from what other Ikas answer. And do you know anything about Anioma groups? Ika which Igbanke is part of, is a mixture of Edo and Igbo.

There are Anioma related groups in other states but they're not Anioma. Anioma is mostly a political name and if you're not politically Anioma, then you're not Anioma. But what's the most common features in all Anioma and the Anioma related groups both in Delta and outside Delta? If you know Anioma very well, all part of Anioma has this Igbo and Edo features very pronounced in them why do you want them to forget the Edo aspects?

Oga, we have trashed this issue here. There is a legitimate reason why they are called Igbo but lots rather argue. Anioma is a fragment of the Igbo nation found in old Bendel. No more no less.

OMANBALA1:


Oga, we have trashed this issue here. There is a legitimate reason why they are called Igbo but lots rather argue. Anioma is a fragment of the Igbo nation found in old Bendel. No more no less.

you actually didn't say anything

nineone:
you actually didn't say anything

I am saying by every true definition of what makes an Igbo they actually qualified. They speak Igbo language

OMANBALA1:


I am saying by every true definition of what makes an Igbo they actually qualified. They speak Igbo language

you still have not said anything. What we speak in Ika is Ika language. Those in Ndokwa has said they speak Ukwuani. I don't know about the Enuani guys. I've seen many Enuani people call what they speak Igbo but still insist they are not Igbo. And you want an Ika man that doesn't speak Igbo to accept he's Igbo?

nineone:
you still have not said anything. What we speak in Ika is Ika language. Those in Ndokwa has said they speak Ukwuani. I don't know about the Enuani guys. I've seen many Enuani people call what they speak Igbo but still insist they are not Igbo. And you want an Ika man that doesn't speak Igbo to accept he's Igbo?

There is nothing like Ika language.
Igbodo people speak like their Aniocha/Oshimili neighbors, yet they are Ika. Communities in Ika close to Ndokwa LGA, speak Ndokwa dialects.

Even your King of Agbor said that Agbor people should not just stop speaking and giving their children Igbo language and names, but also that they should stop giving them non Agbor names or speaking non Agbor language. In other words, they should not speak Igbo and Igboid languages spoken around Ika LGAs, except the one spoken in Agbor.

The very idea of Ika language is scam. Each Ika town have their own unique Igboid dialect.

pazienza:


There is nothing like Ika language.
Igbodo people speak like their Aniocha/Oshimili neighbors, yet they are Ika. Communities in Ika close to Ndokwa LGA, speak Ndokwa dialects.

Even your King of Agbor said that Agbor people should not just speaking and giving their children Igbo language and names, but also that they should stop giving them non Agbor names or speaking non Agbor language. In other words, they should not speak Igbo and Igboid languages spoken around Ika LGAs, except the one spoken in Agbor.

The very idea of Ika language is scam. Each Ika town have their own unique Igboid dialect.

Igbodo doesn't speak like our Aniocha neighbors. They speak an adulterated Ika but what they speak is definitely Ika. We from this part knows what is Ika and what is Anioma. But I don't know how that has made Ika language less of a language. When two language groups meet, the people at the fringes borrow from the two groups. This is a very common characteristic of languages even in the European languages you guys like to cite. Agbor king telling his subjects to speak the Agbor dialect of the Ika language doesn't in any way make Ika less of a language rather, it makes Ika a complete language with different dialects each highly intelligible amongst themselves.

nineone:
you still have not said anything. What we speak in Ika is Ika language. Those in Ndokwa has said they speak Ukwuani. I don't know about the Enuani guys. I've seen many Enuani people call what they speak Igbo but still insist they are not Igbo. And you want an Ika man that doesn't speak Igbo to accept he's Igbo?

Ika is not a language that can stand on its own, because it's a from a mother language ,Igbo. Just because you think Ika is a language doesn't make it one. I am from Idenmili in Anambra yet I understand 90% of what an Enuani man say and 70% of what Ukwuani speak and less than 50% of what an Izii man says.

Until you are able to prove there was a dead language which Igbo displaced , you points will always fall flat before facts. I read where Dein of Agbor was instructing his people to stop speaking Igbo ,yet his name if Ikenchukwu Keagborekuzi.....lol. Not a very wise man!

asuustrike1:

keep quiet stupid kid what do you know?

c his moniker may ASUU never call up their strike

nineone:
Igbodo doesn't speak like our Aniocha neighbors. They speak an adulterated Ika but what they speak is definitely Ika. We from this part knows what is Ika and what is Anioma. But I don't know how that has made Ika language less of a language. When two language groups meet, the people at the fringes borrow from the two groups. This is a very common characteristic of languages even in the European languages you guys like to cite. Agbor king telling his subjects to speak the Agbor dialect of the Ika language doesn't in any way make Ika less of a language rather, it makes Ika a complete language with different dialects each highly intelligible amongst themselves.

Mister, according to your king Ika is a distinct language but I want to know when it was invented and the population of Agbor when this happened. Because according to your wise king there is something called Agbor language that exist outside of Ika. Ika was actually named Eka Igbo because after many years of research by the Europeans it was concluded Ika is an Igboid language.

OMANBALA1:


Mister, according to your king Ika is a distinct language but I want to know when it was invented and the population of Agbor when this happened. Because according to your wise king there is something called Agbor language that exist outside of Ika. Ika was actually named Eka Igbo because after many years of research by the Europeans it was concluded Ika is an Igboid language.

There is nothing like Ika Igbo. ika is Ika and has always been Ika. There was no time Ika people identified themselves as Ika Igbo. We have always been Ika and that's what our language will remain. There has been a lot of influence on our language in the recent past but efforts is now being made to reduce the level of influence. Agbor is a dialect of Ika language. That's how it has always been and it shall remain so. There is a difference between a language being classified under another language. English is a Germanic language. Itsekiri and Igala are Yoruboid languages. Ika is an Igboid language. That's just the way it's been within the last century and so it shall remain