tintingz:

That image is actually a different case and on point.

The paradox of freewill with an all-knowing God.

that's why it is irrelevant to engage you

Muslim Dawar vs. Christian Prince Pt. 1 - Meaning of Akbar & Who is Allah?
In this video Christian Prince asks a Muslim about the word ‘Akbar’ and ‘Who is Allah?’
Akbar is not ‘greater’ but means ‘bigger’ as in size.

He points out that in the ‘shahada’ – the Islamic confession of faith, it says “There is no GOD but ALLAH” and not “There is no ALLAH but ALLAH” which means there is a different word for ‘God’.

Allah is therefore a name for the Islamic god.

Q. 1:2 says “Thanks be to LAH” pointing to the name of the god of Islam.
He cites Q. 2:53, 6:86, 17:21, and 17:55 to prove that the quran is a book of contradictions as on one hand it says there is no messenger that is elevated above another and these ones say right the opposite.

This problem of contradictions in the quran is something Muslims have not been able to deal with because unfortunately the book itself says “If this book is not from God you will find a lot of contradictions” And that is exactly what we find.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPvNwcbvCTs

Christian Prince: Lying to non-Muslims is Mandatory in Islam
In this video Christian Prince shows from the quran how the Muslim is mandated to lie to non-Muslims.

The Muslim is not expected to take Christians and Jews as friends as a Muslim who does incurs Allah’s wrath – he has no honour, mercy or protection from Allah.

Muslims can speak to them in a FRIENDLY way, even though they are being hypocritical such that in their hearts they actually dislike or hate them.
This is what is called taqiya – the Islamic doctrine of DECEPTION.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlNErCNOQtw

This looks an interesting thread to keep watch of.

plainbibletruth:
This looks an interesting thread to keep watch of.

oh you are in the house. Welcome aboard. I know you like this kind of nonsense topic

Empiree:
oh you are in the house. Welcome aboard. I know you like this kind of nonsense topic

I don't see nonsense here.
I see good sense.
Have an open mind.
I hope you've learnt one or two things from it.

plainbibletruth:

I don't see nonsense here.
I see good sense.
Have an open mind.
I hope you've learnt one or two things from it.

I simply seen nothing new as usual. It is recycle

Christian Prince: Amazing Description of Allah’s Paradise (Jannah)

Contained here is a Muslim description of Allah’s Paradise that is comical to say the least.
David and Mohamed sing there every Friday.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_0d7hPDYoU

Christian Prince is so damn good at what he does.

Abuheekmat:


How do you expect a christian to understand islam? How do you expect a christian to understand science of hadith?

The day a non muslim understand islam is the day the person will become a Muslim


In short, The guy doesn't know what he's saying.

And mind you, understanding arabic can't make anyone a Muslim

LIE, study biblical prophecies alone and you will discover koran is a joke. the point is whatever comes to one first is his best. that, of course make anyone embracing the correct.

Rashduct4luv:
Why tag me in this kind of post?
.
At least our hadiths has grades unlike the Bible with various mixtures of words that looks like that of God, that of God's Prophets, that of normal men and that of fools.
.
Worry about analysing your Book!

Have you ever read a Qur'an you can understand? If you have, or you understand Arabic, you'll never say this.

The Qur'an is even more guilty of this.

Christian Prince: This video made millions accept Islam!!!

Christian Prince shows Muslim scholars’ interpretation of Q. 17: 95.
While the quran says Allah sends only human to human as messenger and angels only to angels, an angel – Gabriel – was sent to a man – Mohamed and also to Mary.
This is clearly a big contradiction in the quran leaving its claim of divine origin questionable.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7J_gSkXRyBU

shadeyinka:

Have you ever read a Qur'an you can understand? If you have, or you understand Arabic, you'll never say this.

The Qur'an is even more guilty of this.

I don't even get your point!

Rashduct4luv:



I don't even get your point!

Here was your quote:

Rashduct4luv:
Why tag me in this kind of post?
.
At least our hadiths has grades unlike the Bible with various mixtures of words that looks like that of God, that of God's Prophets, that of normal men and that of fools.
.
Worry about analysing your Book!

You are saying that the Qur'an contains purely the words of Allah!? Is this really true?

shadeyinka:


Here was your quote:



You are saying that the Qur'an contains purely the words of Allah!? Is this really true?

Yeah it is 100% true!

Rashduct4luv:


Yeah it is 100% true!

Do you want me to give you a very obvious example?

You see it everyday but you don't grasp the implication.

Now, only one rule: when I present it, we are going to unravel the plain meaning: not an explanation for what it should mean. Like I said, there are several examples but I will give just one with your permission.

shadeyinka:
Now, only one rule: when I present it, we are going to unravel the plain meaning: not an explanation for what it should mean.

Lol, you are trying to secure your position ahead to be on a safe side You are on a failed mission

Empiree:
Lol, you are trying to secure your position ahead to be on a safe side You are on a failed mission

I know you people well enough to know that you'll twist plain English to.mean what it isn't.

Na! Secure my position?

I only don't want you to change the goal post of that which you claim 100% true!

shadeyinka:

I know you people well enough to know that you'll twist plain English to.mean what it isn't.

Na! Secure my position?

I only don't want you to change the goal post of that which you claim 100% true!

smh... Quran is in arabic and can never be translated to any language. It can only be explained in english etc. So why waste your time?. Post your question and let's breath in peace. What clear is, you can never say anything new

Empiree:
smh... Quran is in arabic and can never be translated to any language. It can only be explained in english etc. So why waste your time?. Post your question and let's breath in peace. What clear is, you can never say anything new

In other words Arabic words don't make meanings when translated into other languages!

But other languages can be translated into other languages! Does this not imply that Arabic language is the worst language the almighty Allah could have used to communicate to mankind knowing that we all speak different languages as ordained by the almighty Allah himself?

The almighty Allah mentions in Sura Maryam 19:97:

{So We have made this (Quran) easy in your own tongue, only that you may give glad tidings to those who are God-conscious and warn with it the most quarrelsome people.}

If the above isn't true, then it must mean that humans are wrong in insinuating that the language of Allah is untranslatable. The excuse must be man made to escape the obvious statement of the pure words of Allah.

I wasn't posting a question, I was to post part of a Surah of the Qur'an. Whenever you are ready.

shadeyinka:

In other words Arabic words don't make meanings when translated into other languages!

But other languages can be translated into other languages! Does this not imply that Arabic language is the worst language the almighty Allah could have used to communicate to mankind knowing that we all speak different languages as ordained by the almighty Allah himself?

The almighty Allah mentions in Sura Maryam 19:97:

{So We have made this (Quran) easy in your own tongue, only that you may give glad tidings to those who are God-conscious and warn with it the most quarrelsome people.}

If the above isn't true, then it must mean that humans are wrong in insinuating that the language of Allah is untranslatable. The excuse must be man made to escape the obvious statement of the pure words of Allah.

I wasn't posting a question, I was to post part of a Surah of the Qur'an. Whenever you are ready.

Too much talk. Everything you said is irrelevant right now. Post what you want to post.

Empiree:
Too much talk. Everything you said is irrelevant right now. Post what you want to post.

You'll need to address the above except you agree then I'll give the the scripture. This is important so that the goalpost wouldn't change in the midst of play!

shadeyinka:

You'll need to address the above except you agree then I'll give the the scripture. This is important so that the goalpost wouldn't change in the midst of play!

I guess you have nothing to post. Have a good day

Empiree:
I guess you have nothing to post. Have a good day

Since you are so impatient:


Sura1:1-7 who was speaking here?
vs2. Who is the one ascribing praise to Allah? Mohammed, Jubril or one of the Caliphs

vs5. Who is the one worshiping Allah here?

vs6. I believe only a mortal or a jinn need fear the punishment that comes from going astray or what do you think? Is the Almighty Allah afraid of doing wrong to Himself?

vs6. Since God cannot go on a wrong path, who does this aya refer to?

vs7. Who is the THOU in ayat7?
Or the Thee an Thine in vs5

In case you need a jog

Quran1:1-7
1. In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.
2. Praise be to Allah, the Cherisher and Sustainer of the worlds;
3. Most Gracious, Most Merciful;
4. Master of the Day of Judgment.
5. Thee do we worship, and Thine aid we seek.
6. Show us the straight way,
7. The way of those on whom Thou hast bestowed Thy Grace, those whose (portion) is not wrath, and who go not astray.

shadeyinka:

Since you are so impatient:


Sura1:1-7 who was speaking here?
vs2. Who is the one ascribing praise to Allah? Mohammed, Jubril or one of the Caliphs

vs5. Who is the one worshiping Allah here?

vs6. I believe only a mortal or a jinn need fear the punishment that comes from going astray or what do you think? Is the Almighty Allah afraid of doing wrong to Himself?

vs6. Since God cannot go on a wrong path, who does this aya refer to?

vs7. Who is the THOU in ayat7?
Or the Thee an Thine in vs5

In case you need a jog

That's all?. I thought you have something very serious to come up with. Therefore, instead of endless argument with you over this, knowing too well you may never concur, i rather give you analogy. If you understand this i have nothing to explain. It is said that Jesus taught his disciples "Thy Lord's Prayer"




'Our Father in heaven, hallowed be your name. Your kingdom come, your will be done, on earth as it is in heaven. Give us this day our daily bread, and forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors. And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil.'"





So you have example. I am not making comparison. Quran is way beyond this similarity. I am just giving you answer indirectly. If you answer correctly, you have your questions answered by yourself. Fair enough?

Empiree:
That's all?. I thought you have something very serious to come up with. Therefore, instead of endless argument with you over this, knowing too well you may never concur, i rather give you analogy. If you understand this i have nothing to explain. It is said that Jesus taught his disciples "Thy Lord's Prayer"




'Our Father in heaven, hallowed be your name. Your kingdom come, your will be done, on earth as it is in heaven. Give us this day our daily bread, and forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors. And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil.'"





So you have example. I am not making comparison. Quran is way beyond this similarity. I am just giving you answer indirectly. If you answer correctly, you have your questions answered by yourself. Fair enough?

Unfortunately, if you know the Qur'an a little bit beyond what you are presenting, whenever the almighty Allah want to teach Something in the Qur'an, he would use the words "Say!"

Eg.

Quran 112:1 Say: He is Allah, the One!

In fact there are several verses if not hundreds of verses where Allah used "say.....". And the best argument you could find is that Allah was teaching dua!

In the Lord's prayer that you quoted, even Jesus said "when you pray, say Our Father heaven...!" Conveniently, you removed the words "say" from your quotation so that the two verses will look similar. Is that not deception?

Let me give you other examples so that you can use the same rule

1. (Quran 113:1)
I take refuge with the Lord of the Dawn

2. Quran 6:104)
Now have come to you, from your Lord, proofs
(To open your eyes): If any will see, it will
be for (the good of) his own soul; If any will
be blind, it will be to his own (harm): I am not
(here) To watch over your doings.

3. (Quran 27:91)
For me, I have been commanded to serve the
Lord of this city, Him Who has sanctified it
and to whom (Belong) all things; and I am
commanded to be of those who bow in Islam to
Allah's Will

4. (Quran 84:16-19)
I swear by the afterglow of sunset, and by the night, and by the moon when she is at the full.


Was Allah also teaching dua in the four ayas above?

So you see that it is Muslims who change the plain words of Allah. The Qur'an is plain and simple to understand!

shadeyinka:

Do you want me to give you a very obvious example?

You see it everyday but you don't grasp the implication.

Now, only one rule: when I present it, we are going to unravel the plain meaning: not an explanation for what it should mean. Like I said, there are several examples but I will give just one with your permission.

Plain meaning?

So assuming in English i say "He kicked the bucket." Will you now ask me if it was a metal bucket or a plastic bucket he kicked?

Not all texts are literal. Some are symbolic.

Rashduct4luv:


Plain meaning?

So assuming in English i say "He kicked the bucket." Will you now ask me if it was a metal bucket or a plastic bucket he kicked?

Not all texts are literal. Some are symbolic.

Translations are not usually done "literally": they are done contextually. Plain meaning mean contextually meaning.

All translations of Arabic into English language are done contextually and hence the Qur'an is not an exception

shadeyinka:

Unfortunately, if you know the Qur'an a little bit beyond what you are presenting, whenever the almighty Allah want to teach Something in the Qur'an, he would use the words "Say!"

Eg.

Quran 112:1 Say: He is Allah, the One!

In fact there are several verses if not hundreds of verses where Allah used "say.....". And the best argument you could find is that Allah was teaching dua!

In the Lord's prayer that you quoted, even Jesus said "when you pray, say Our Father heaven...!" Conveniently, you removed the words "say" from your quotation so that the two verses will look similar. Is that not deception?

Let me give you other examples so that you can use the same rule

1. (Quran 113:1)
I take refuge with the Lord of the Dawn

2. Quran 6:104)
Now have come to you, from your Lord, proofs
(To open your eyes): If any will see, it will
be for (the good of) his own soul; If any will
be blind, it will be to his own (harm): I am not
(here) To watch over your doings.

3. (Quran 27:91)
For me, I have been commanded to serve the
Lord of this city, Him Who has sanctified it
and to whom (Belong) all things; and I am
commanded to be of those who bow in Islam to
Allah's Will

4. (Quran 84:16-19)
I swear by the afterglow of sunset, and by the night, and by the moon when she is at the full.


Was Allah also teaching dua in the four ayas above?

So you see that it is Muslims who change the plain words of Allah. The Qur'an is plain and simple to understand!

as I said before, you have your questions answered by yourself. Thanks for saving me time. I need not waste my precious time with you. We can keep going on and on. It is never gonna end. And thanks for copy/paste. Everything you brought up isn't new. David Wood and Co did worst.

In the Lord's prayer you said Jesus was teaching his people Dua(prayers). So that answered you. Anything else?

Empiree:
as I said before, you have your questions answered by yourself. Thanks for saving me time. I need not waste my precious time with you. We can keep going on and on. It is never gonna end. And thanks for copy/paste. Everything you brought up isn't new. David Wood and Co did worst.

In the Lord's prayer you said Jesus was reaching his people Dua(prayers). So that answered you. Anything else?

Escapism!

Have your way, the TRUTH is invariant irrespective of how we refuse to acknowledge it.

Have a nice day!

Point of Correction:
I almost recited the sahada in my 200L in my search of the truth. I know Islam more than you think

shadeyinka:

Escapism!

Have your way, the TRUTH is invariant irrespective of how we refuse to acknowledge it.

Have a nice day!

Point of Correction:
I almost recited the sahada in my 200L in my search of the truth. I know Islam more than you think

Oh really?. I have heard enough of this. You know Islam now than I do but backtracked?. If you know Islam more than I do you would be Muslim by now. Your argument is not unique at all. We will keep going on rollercoaster about this is the reason I don't even wanna engage you. I know you have it all copied from those evangelical Christians. That's why I am simply not interested in this back and forth.

For record, Quran was revealed to Nabi Muhammad through Jibril(as).

Empiree:
smh... Quran is in arabic and can never be translated to any language. It can only be explained in english etc. So why waste your time?. Post your question and let's breath in peace. What clear is, you can never say anything new

This is very lame and arrogant excuse. There is no any language, in this modern era, that can never be translated to another language. If this is the official policy of Islam with respect to the Arabic quran then the Arabs should not tell us that Islam is a religion for all. Over 80% of muslims cannot speak Arabic and so, by your own submission, Muslims must learn Arabic in order to understand the quran. This is purely brainwashing and mental slavery! The truth is that the quran, if translated to Yoruba language, will make no sense to any Yoruba man since there will be no Yoruba hadith or Yoruba seerah to clear up the confusions and inconsistencies in the quran.