Weedfree:


Yet again where were Benin armies when the British attacked them and they never met oyo empire enough to estimate the exact size of it military.
The Great wall of Benin was among one of the largest wall ever built and it consumed more materials than the pyramid in Egypt but THE GREAT WALL OF EREDO is older, larger and its still standing. Benin walled kingdom is not even the largest and it's existence is a mystery.
From ur earlier post u said Yoruba people being more than Benin people and now u are saying Benin people are more when Benin people are limited to some few states.

So they never meet Oyo so the slaves Yoruba's are claiming in America continent where are they actually from?

The most history fakers, liars history piracy in the world are Yorubas bro research well you will know.

goalernestman:


So they never meet Oyo so the slaves Yoruba's are claiming in America continent where are they actually from?

The most history fakers, liars history piracy in the world are Yorubas bro research well you will know.

I never said they never met Oyo I meant they were never close to Oyo the way they were close to Benin and Yoruba descent in America are of slave ancestry some were taking from Oyo after its fall.

Weedfree:


I never said they never met Oyo I meant they were never close to Oyo the way they were close to Benin and Yoruba descent in America are of slave ancestry some were taking from Oyo after its fall.

You said they never traded with Oyo before now you are saying they traded. Bro you are confused.

So please tell me the century they traded with Oyo and who are the country that traded with Oyo on slaves is it Portugal or the British or France I want to know and also tell me their first visit to Oyo the date not the story let see who are the lairs now.

Date source links reference are what always missing in Yoruba story just like animals talking story.

You see the ones that actually happens is the Benin story it well dated by Benin and the kingdom they come in contact to.

Only Yoruba story that is well dated is Oromiyan because it significant is agree by both parties Benin and Yoruba.

But on Oyo empire all history kingdom Yoruba try to link it to says it fake. So you want us to believe you buy a car when no other person except you saw the car lol, who do you think we are kids? Comon we are in 20 century we are not going to believe animals can talk story.

goalernestman:


You said they never traded with Oyo before now you are saying they traded. Bro you are confused.

So please tell me the century they traded with Oyo and who are the country that traded with Oyo on slaves is it Portugal or the British or France I want to know and also tell me their first visit to Oyo the date not the story let see who are the lairs now.

Date source links reference are what always missing in Yoruba story just like animals talking story.

You see the ones that actually happens is the Benin story it well dated by Benin and the kingdom they come in contact to.

Only Yoruba story that is well dated is Oromiyan because it significant is agree by both parties Benin and Yoruba.

But on Oyo empire all history kingdom Yoruba try to link it to says it fake. So you want us to believe you buy a car when no other person except you saw the car lol, who do you think we are kids? Comon we are in 20 century we are not going to believe animals can talk story.

Guess goalernestman did u forget when I said they started trading slaves with the Europeans in the 17th century. it seems like u are the one who is confused.
Well if u won't to know the century and kingdoms I will tell u the history.
Towards the end of the 18th century, the Oyo army was neglected as there was less need to conquer.
Instead, Oyo directed more effort towards trading and acted as a middlemen for both the Trans-Saharan and Trans-Atlantic slave trade.
Europeans bringing salt arrived in Oyo during the reign of king obalokun.
Thanks to its dominant in the coast Oyo merchants were able to trade with Europeans at Porto Novo.
Here the Oyo empire's captives and criminals were sold to Dutch and Portuguese buyers.
So there u have it the evidence that were recorded.

goalernestman:


Benin was even more popular and large they where more larger than oyo by a distance and more populated too,

The oba of Benin can control 200,000 army in a day and x's of it in a week.

It only empire that can do this I bet oyo don't even have up to 20,000 solders to fight a war at this time.

Benin walls was at that time hardest man mad work in the world it consume more equipment and more man power than Egypt piramy according to European who came to Benin then and was recorded in 16th 17th century genes book of record.

So do you think that was done by a few peps.?

What are you saying Benin was all southern Nigeria both south igbo warri nd south yoruba including Niger deleta was Benin then.

Southern nigeria it doesn't mean south south Nigeria it means all you just said

Weedfree:


Guess goalernestman did u forget when I said they started trading slaves with the Europeans in the 17th century. it seems like u are the one who is confused.
Well if u won't to know the century and kingdoms I will tell u the history.
Towards the end of the 18th century, the Oyo army was neglected as there was less need to conquer.
Instead, Oyo directed more effort towards trading and acted as a middlemen for both the Trans-Saharan and Trans-Atlantic slave trade.
Europeans bringing salt arrived in Oyo during the reign of king obalokun.
Thanks to its dominant in the coast Oyo merchants were able to trade with Europeans at Porto Novo.
Here the Oyo empire's captives and criminals were sold to Dutch and Portuguese buyers.
So there u have it the evidence that were recorded.

Bla bla you read from a Yoruba site, even in Wikipedia Yoruba author quoted they fight with Benin empire but was claim as fake in Benin history. So what new in yourba lies.

European meet Oyo before the 18th century this is a big fact lie, the Obaolukun was said to be the first king to trade sault not slave. European only started knowing what is Yoruba and igbo from 18 century. And obaolokun was before 18 century.

Nigeria Benin trade with the Europeans of slaves they captured not yourba and after Benin Igala continue the trade this enable them to shift the slave trade from bight of benin to bight of bony or biafra. Igal traded with Europen capturing igbo as slave.

Igala and Benin is the only empire in southern Nigeria
Ida or Igala
Benin or bight of Benin.

Read a history from no trib just go to European account if oyo claim they sold slaves to Europe surly European will record this not only Yoruba or Oyo.

When you bring a quote from a European who lives then I will take Oyo seriously.

goalernestman:


Bla bla you read from a Yoruba site, even in Wikipedia Yoruba author quoted they fight with Benin empire but was claim as fake in Benin history. So what new in yourba lies.

European meet Oyo before the 18th century this is a big fact lie, the Obaolukun was said to be the first king to trade sault not slave. European only started knowing what is Yoruba and igbo from 18 century. And obaolokun was before 18 century.

Nigeria Benin trade with the Europeans of slaves they captured not yourba and after Benin Igala continue the trade this enable them to shift the slave trade from bight of benin to bight of bony or biafra. Igal traded with Europen capturing igbo as slave.

Igala and Benin is the only empire in southern Nigeria
Ida or Igala
Benin or bight of Benin.

Read a history from no trib just go to European account if oyo claim they sold slaves to Europe surly European will record this not only Yoruba or Oyo.

When you bring a quote from a European who lives then I will take Oyo seriously.

So from ur understanding I said they met oyo empire in the 18th century, I said they started treading with oyo empire more frequently than before. Time for another history lesson.
The Atlantic slave trade leaked in the last two decades of the 18th century, during and following the Kongo civil war. Wars among tiny states along the Niger River's igbo inhabited region and the accompanying banditry also spiked in this period. Another reason for surplus supply of enslaved people was major warfare conducted by expanding states, such as the kingdom of Dahomey, the Oyo empire, and the Asante Empire.
However, some African groups proved particularly adept and brutal at the practice of enslaving, such as Oyo, Benin, igala, kaabu, Asanteman, Dahomey, the Aro confederacy and the imbangala war bands.
In the eighteenth century, two policies Oyo and the Sri confederacy were responsible for most of the slaves exported from Nigeria. The Aro confederacy continued to export slaves in the nineteenth century were a product of the Yoruba civil ears that followed the collapse of Oyo in the 1820s.
The expansion of Oyo after the middle of sixteenth century was closely associated with the growth of slave exports across the Atlantic. Oyo's cavalry pushed southward along a natural break in the forests (known as the Benin Gap, i.e., the opening in the forest where the savanna stretched to the Bight of Benin), and thereby gained access to the coastal poets.
Oyo experience a series of power struggle and constitutional crises in the eighteenth century that directly related to its success as a major slave exporter.
The other major slave exporting state was a loose confederation under the leadership of the Aro, an Igbo clan of mixed igbo and Ibibio origins, whose home was in the escarpment between the central igbo districts and the Cross River. Beginning in the late seventeenth century, the Sri built a complex network of alliances and treaties with many of the igbo clans. Alliances with certain igbo clans who acted as mercenaries for the Aro guaranteed their safety. The Sri had treaties with the coastal poets from which slaves were exported, especially Calabar, Bonny, and Elem Kalabari. The people of Calabar were Efik, a subsection of Ibibio, while Jonny and Elem Kalabari were ijaw towns.
The ijaw, who occupied the tidal area in proximity to the Igbo, has wrested a frugal living from the sale of dried fish and sea salt to the inland communities for centuries before the rise of the slave trade.
By 1800 too governed much of southeastern Nigeria and neighbouring parts of modern Republic of Benin, while the Sri had consolidated southeastern Nigeria into a confederation that dominated that region. The oyo and Aro confederations were major trading partners of the slave traders from Europe and North America.

Weedfree:


So from ur understanding I said they met oyo empire in the 18th century, I said they started treading with oyo empire more frequently than before. Time for another history lesson.
The Atlantic slave trade leaked in the last two decades of the 18th century, during and following the Kongo civil war. Wars among tiny states along the Niger River's igbo inhabited region and the accompanying banditry also spiked in this period. Another reason for surplus supply of enslaved people was major warfare conducted by expanding states, such as the kingdom of Dahomey, the Oyo empire, and the Asante Empire.
However, some African groups proved particularly adept and brutal at the practice of enslaving, such as Oyo, Benin, igala, kaabu, Asanteman, Dahomey, the Aro confederacy and the imbangala war bands.
In the eighteenth century, two policies Oyo and the Sri confederacy were responsible for most of the slaves exported from Nigeria. The Aro confederacy continued to export slaves in the nineteenth century were a product of the Yoruba civil ears that followed the collapse of Oyo in the 1820s.
The expansion of Oyo after the middle of sixteenth century was closely associated with the growth of slave exports across the Atlantic. Oyo's cavalry pushed southward along a natural break in the forests (known as the Benin Gap, i.e., the opening in the forest where the savanna stretched to the Bight of Benin), and thereby gained access to the coastal poets.
Oyo experience a series of power struggle and constitutional crises in the eighteenth century that directly related to its success as a major slave exporter.
The other major slave exporting state was a loose confederation under the leadership of the Aro, an Igbo clan of mixed igbo and Ibibio origins, whose home was in the escarpment between the central igbo districts and the Cross River. Beginning in the late seventeenth century, the Sri built a complex network of alliances and treaties with many of the igbo clans. Alliances with certain igbo clans who acted as mercenaries for the Aro guaranteed their safety. The Sri had treaties with the coastal poets from which slaves were exported, especially Calabar, Bonny, and Elem Kalabari. The people of Calabar were Efik, a subsection of Ibibio, while Jonny and Elem Kalabari were ijaw towns.
The ijaw, who occupied the tidal area in proximity to the Igbo, has wrested a frugal living from the sale of dried fish and sea salt to the inland communities for centuries before the rise of the slave trade.
By 1800 too governed much of southeastern Nigeria and neighbouring parts of modern Republic of Benin, while the Sri had consolidated southeastern Nigeria into a confederation that dominated that region. The oyo and Aro confederations were major trading partners of the slave traders from Europe and North America.

Another bla bla you copy from the current 2 majors in South Nigeria now.

Igbo sold slaves in calaba another big fact lie, calaba was under the Benin empire then they were ones of the states in Benin so how will igbo sell slave a place not their regions or in a Benin nation or map

goalernestman:


Another bla bla you copy from the current 2 majors in South Nigeria now.

Igbo sold slaves in calaba another big fact lie, calaba was under the Benin empire then they were ones of the states in Benin so how will igbo sell slave a place not their regions or in a Benin nation or map

Bring a eurpen source or quote for me in the 18th century to believe you, if you want Benin European source I can give it to you.

Igbo and Yoruba should stop stealing Benin and Ida or Igala history.

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Bring a eurpen source or quote for me in the 18th century to believe you, if you want Benin European source I can give it to you.

Igbo and Yoruba should stop stealing Benin and Ida or Igala history

Igbo never sold any slave fact. go read history more my friend, any igbo man that was sold to European was captured by Benin and Igala then the mighty empire that was in that region the and sold them to the European.

Don't let this igbo and Yoruba deceive you.

No igbo king or chife come in contact with European until the end of slaves trade in ending of 18th century so who now sell the slaves.

European knows what is igbo after the fall of Benin empire fact in 18th century.

Weedfree:


So from ur understanding I said they met oyo empire in the 18th century, I said they started treading with oyo empire more frequently than before. Time for another history lesson.
The Atlantic slave trade leaked in the last two decades of the 18th century, during and following the Kongo civil war. Wars among tiny states along the Niger River's igbo inhabited region and the accompanying banditry also spiked in this period. Another reason for surplus supply of enslaved people was major warfare conducted by expanding states, such as the kingdom of Dahomey, the Oyo empire, and the Asante Empire.
However, some African groups proved particularly adept and brutal at the practice of enslaving, such as Oyo, Benin, igala, kaabu, Asanteman, Dahomey, the Aro confederacy and the imbangala war bands.
In the eighteenth century, two policies Oyo and the Sri confederacy were responsible for most of the slaves exported from Nigeria. The Aro confederacy continued to export slaves in the nineteenth century were a product of the Yoruba civil ears that followed the collapse of Oyo in the 1820s.
The expansion of Oyo after the middle of sixteenth century was closely associated with the growth of slave exports across the Atlantic. Oyo's cavalry pushed southward along a natural break in the forests (known as the Benin Gap, i.e., the opening in the forest where the savanna stretched to the Bight of Benin), and thereby gained access to the coastal poets.
Oyo experience a series of power struggle and constitutional crises in the eighteenth century that directly related to its success as a major slave exporter.
The other major slave exporting state was a loose confederation under the leadership of the Aro, an Igbo clan of mixed igbo and Ibibio origins, whose home was in the escarpment between the central igbo districts and the Cross River. Beginning in the late seventeenth century, the Sri built a complex network of alliances and treaties with many of the igbo clans. Alliances with certain igbo clans who acted as mercenaries for the Aro guaranteed their safety. The Sri had treaties with the coastal poets from which slaves were exported, especially Calabar, Bonny, and Elem Kalabari. The people of Calabar were Efik, a subsection of Ibibio, while Jonny and Elem Kalabari were ijaw towns.
The ijaw, who occupied the tidal area in proximity to the Igbo, has wrested a frugal living from the sale of dried fish and sea salt to the inland communities for centuries before the rise of the slave trade.
By 1800 too governed much of southeastern Nigeria and neighbouring parts of modern Republic of Benin, while the Sri had consolidated southeastern Nigeria into a confederation that dominated that region. The oyo and Aro confederations were major trading partners of the slave traders from Europe and North America.

Who was the Oyo king that receive the first European visit. Benin own is oba eware tell me Oyo own and the main country in Europe and also the captain of the European squad that came to Oyo.

Is that too hard to bring

goalernestman:


Another bla bla you copy from the current 2 majors in South Nigeria now.

Igbo sold slaves in calaba another big fact lie, calaba was under the Benin empire then they were ones of the states in Benin so how will igbo sell slave a place not their regions or in a Benin nation or map

Actually I got that account from the history of Atlantic slave trade. So Benin empire conquered calabar or u meant Kalabari kingdom founded by kalabari people of ijaw. when did Benin empire conquer it.

goalernestman:


Bring a eurpen source or quote for me in the 18th century to believe you, if you want Benin European source I can give it to you.

Igbo and Yoruba should stop stealing Benin and Ida or Igala history.

I know Portuguese arrived in Benin empire in the 1400s but have u read clapperton account of Oyo empire.
Igala conquered the upper part of igboland not the coastal areas. kalabari kingdom purchased slaves from igboland it is recorded. Benin empire didn't participate in slave trade. Ijaw to were also major slave traders.

[quote author=goalernestman post=77079088][/quote]


The first contact between igboland and Europe came incontact in the mid-fifteenth century with that arrival of the Portuguese.

goalernestman:


Who was the Oyo king that receive the first European visit. Benin own is oba eware tell me Oyo own and the main country in Europe and also the captain of the European squad that came to Oyo.

Is that too hard to bring

Really asking me that question when I wrote in my previous post it was obalokun. obalokun was the first Alafin to come in contact with the Europeans.

Weedfree:


Actually I got that account from the history of Atlantic slave trade. So Benin empire conquered calabar or u meant Kalabari kingdom founded by kalabari people of ijaw. when did Benin empire conquer it.

Benin never conquered calaba but it was under the Benin empire

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Really asking me that question when I wrote in my previous post it was obalokun. obalokun was the first Alafin to come in contact with the Europeans.[/quot

Bro this is a big fact lie oba olukun rain that no body knows not even Yoruba know the man how will even European now know him.

His rain time is not mention and no European man mention his name. Even Wikipedia has no fact about him no body knows when his rain only Yoruba people like writing what you think about him.

davidnazee:


You are claiming relevance and significance in a failed society like Nigeria lol. How has this relevance/significance helped Yoruba people?
You still serve the Hausa/Fulani Northerners, your states are among the most poor and underdeveloped.. Edo State is better than Yoruba states except Lagos (Lagos is not Yoruba anyways)..
You use your majority numbers to weigh ur relevance, una dey learn.

tell them they don't know

Dartilo:




Firstly being a slave is what I should be ashamed ashamed of...
Go to America, britain, france and Germany, Benin empire and it's history is what they study concerning Nigeria...
Yorubas expanded to the carribbean due to slavery...
Language we speak:this was awolowo agenda for the then western region but he failed...
The Yorubas call the benin Ado better ask them why the name Ado ekiti

interesting, tell them something for me abeg

Opiletool:


Hahaha. Edo better than Yoruba states. Jokers everywhere.

very true no doubt at all, do your research bro

davidnazee:


Please can you give me a detailed account of Oyo Empire’s military campaign/war. If Oyo Empire is real then there should be accounts or stories of wars it fought.. give a detailed account like how the war started, how it unfolded how it was won or lost.. I want full story not just headline. All great empires that existed have stories of wars and military campaigns and expansions they carried out. Oyo should not be different.

no be who they intelligent they write down histories, intelligence far from them

goalernestman:


Benin never conquered calaba but it was under the Benin empire

If so when was it recorded Benin empire subjected calabar and where in calabar history was it mentioned.

goalernestman:


Bring the Oyo empire in the Africa map let we all see

there's nothing like Oyo empire, it has always been a Benin empire who are known all over the world

davidnazee:


A major characteristic of an empire is its expansion and campaigns to foreign lands and its conquests and sovereignty over the people. For example Benin empire spread over Yoruba to the west, Igbos to the east and also to the north.
Oyo never achieved any of these, Oyo is only known for ruling over its fellow Yoruba brothers. It never spread beyond Yoruba.

There is only 2 empires in the world that ever had GREAT added to its name; Great Britain and Great Benin.

one big stout for you my brother

[quote author=goalernestman post=77122743][/quote]

U mean the same dude that traded salt and slaves with the Europeans that u said nobody knew

Oshi5403:


This Is Laughable,complicated But Interesting.
The Fact Remains That Nigerians Were Sold Into Slavery In All Parts Of Nigeria Land.
So I Dont Know Where You've Being Getting Your Own Facts From.

never from the benin empire laye

gregyboy:
Oyo empire military was weak internally and externally it was more of a large kingdom all the wars fought by oyo they lost

even till today it's only shouting you'll hear buy no actions, and before you hear a Benin shout shout to that extend then many dead souls are already gone

gregyboy:


We didnt loose our crown to a guy from Mecca or a demon from heaven we lost it to our bloodline d ogiso bloodline if he wasnt a booldline of the ogiso as you claim he would have died before even coming to benin

Ogiso bloodline that pays rent to Ogiso how does that sound to you? Do you even think before writing this? I remember that you and davidnazee were doing this same thing on the ọba of Benin visit ooni of Ìfẹ́ thread but you were trashed by olu317 BabaRamota1980, Obalufon etc you ran away when the heat was much more than you can take

davidnazee:


Your own problem is that you don’t know the difference between founding a place and colonizing a place.. Great Benin founded and colonized Lagos so its okay for us to still claim ownership of it as the founders, but Benin don’t claim ownership of Ekiti land even though we colonized it.. You understand??
Romans only colonized England they weren’t the founders.

Do you try to know the meaning of words before using them? How would you need to colonize the land /city that you found?

rhektor:


Ogiso bloodline that pays rent to Ogiso how does that sound to you? Do you even think before writing this? I remember that you and davidnazee were doing this same thing on the ọba of Benin visit ooni of Ìfẹ́ thread but you were trashed by olu317 BabaRamota1980, Obalufon etc you ran away when the heat was much more than you can take

Another useless mention from the Yoruba's ....baseless point given not even pertaining to the topic based on no evidence. a typical Yoruba arguer...nothing much expected from a million tribe, that over time couldnt document thier history .and just a group of people who are not beyond thousand could document thier history

Weedfree:


U mean the same dude that traded salt and slaves with the Europeans that u said nobody knew

Bro what are you saying even Wikipedia is mocking Oyo.

Wikipedia said according to Oyo and Yoruba Obaolokun came in contact with European, but not in European history.

Oyo na scam see a yoruba many like sand come they follow bini people when just they one city for state they drag history.come they lie join untop our head.... They said our obas go to bury thier heads at ife but The rest yoruba monarchs dont ....and i asked y