helinues:


Truth is always bitter to swallow. SW started preparation for 2023 2 years ago. Aligning and realigning . Power is not given but taken.

Just because SE are not interested in 2023 presidency doesn't mean they should bring those who are interested down for no tangible reasons.

Who is bringing you down? They aren't in APC, neither the central government, how are they scheming to hurt you?

kernel01:



Who are they bringing you down? They aren't in APC, neither the central government, how are they scheming to hurt you?

If they are not in Apc, then they should stop meddling in Apc affairs.. Let Pdp presents Northern candidate.. Apc is zoning to South. Chikena

shadeyinka:

But have we gained much with flouting our differences?
Aren't we not complaining about this Nigeria?

It look alike we all want a great country, but we also are allowing individual, selfish and personal sentiments from clouding our better judgement.

If we sit down to do a strategic analysis, we'll discover that a change in approach is needed.

Even the Bible asks, "Can two walk together except they be agreed?"

Two people are compatible when they share common values...we don't.

Two people who don't share much similarities can live peacefully as long as they respect their differences.

Check which tribe takes it upon themselves to be pointing out which ethnicity is related or unrelated to who and why one people should not be dealing with their relatives then you'll discover where the problem originated from.

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When I see maturity I know, you're one. But having said that, the whole South is angry against Yorubas because all the political gains of balance of power made by Obasanjo was sold to out when they South.

Jonathan loved and respected Yorubas. PDP zoned Speakership to the West, but ACN connivined with some PDP guys to gift it to Tambuwal. We the Igbos weren't given such position.

Today... We're fighting to see if South will ever be President again I think it is too late. North will not give up power at ease again. [/quote

It's quite annoying the kind of situation we are in... Conspiracy theories flying around... No tribe is perfect and no tribe is bad.. I can't count the number of igbos that has betrayed me and tried been smart because of money or business but I chose to take them as individuals and not generalise for a tribe....some have taken advantage of me cause I'm an indigene of Lagos.... Even one came up to me to help him get certificate of origin from my local govt and he will claim to be Yoruba but I gladly rejected that.
We should let peace reign that's all... If we can't forgive and forget then let be civilized and live in peace and respect one another... Igbo's won elections in 2015 and we all applauded them, only for some of them to start saying they have conquered Lagos, they are coming for the governorship and nothing the Yoruba's can do, you call my land a no man's land, these are some of the things that are bringing up dirty politics

helinues:


Truth is always bitter to swallow. SW started preparation for 2023 2 years ago. Aligning and realigning . Power is not given but taken.

Just because SE are not interested in 2023 presidency doesn't mean they should bring those who are interested down for no tangible reasons.

Then you shouldn't be bothered if the north takes it again. Hope you're not banking on the promise Osinbanjo and Fashola campaigned with.. that voting APC will bring power SW in 2023 cos it doesn't seem like "taking".

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I totally agree with you in all your write up on this topic, but East aren't same as South South. Though we have few Igbo tribes in South South, but then... They've got there independent.

Jonathan doesn't speak or understand Igbo language.

Donelli:

Then you shouldn't be bothered if the north takes it again. Hope you're not banking on the promise Osinbanjo and Fashola campaigned with.. that voting APC will bring power SW in 2023 cos it doesn't seem like "taking".

Because is it not given that is why we want to fight for it.. Nothing bad in giving trials..

kernel01:



I totally agree with you in all your write up on this topic, but East aren't same as South South. Though we have few Igbo tribes in South South, but then... They've got there independent.

Jonathan doesn't speak or understand Igbo language.

I understand.. But the extent at which people from the East hate just any Muslim, any one that supports APC is so alarming... There is life after religion and politics.. We are humans first... Hope we get it right some day... Where are you from?

helinues:


Because is it not given that is why we want to fight for it.. Nothing bad in giving trials..

'You' are not fighting for it bros (or sis), 'you' are only negotiating for it to be given to 'you', which is fine... But the question is if 'you' can live with the consequences of the choices being made. If it's by "fighting" for power, it will not come south in the near future.

Mayor08:

I understand.. But the extent at which people from the East hate just any Muslim, any one that supports APC is so alarming... There is life after religion and politics.. We are humans first... Hope we get it right some day... Where are you from?

There is no smoke without fire. APC took impunity to the next level but the really disgusting part is when people try to justify clear evil just because...

Donelli:

There is no smoke without fire. APC took impunity to the next level but the really disgusting part is when people try to justify clear evil just because...

No.. It started before 2015, you guys hated them and even called if a Muslim party.. The hated existed before they were tested

kernel01:



Today... Igbos don't bear animosity against the people of South South, we voted there son in love, irrespective of their position during and after the Civil War. They both tribes are good.

You can see how they helped Ekweremadu to become the Senate deputy, without them it wouldn't be possible. There's a need for mutual understanding.

Secondly, we have different ideology when it comes to politics. We can't be taking command from anybody, Yorubas believes they must be a Supreme leader, we don't. We prefer consensus.

Is there no intelligent way to work out a new political ideology that will suit the two regions?

Like I said earlier "there is no single Yoruba voice anywhere". Let's work on forging a unity

Donelli:

'You' are not fighting for it bros (or sis), 'you' are only negotiating for it to be given to 'you', which is fine... But the question is if 'you' can live with the consequences of the choices being made. If it's by "fighting" for power, it will not come south in the near future.

You guys may not know it, but you derive joy in bringing others down. You are not interested in 2023 presidency, fine. SW are interested and have been negotiating, fighting, collaborating with other regions. Why not let them try their luck instead of sabotaging?? Huh

Let me burst your head.. Trader moni is for what? Physically delivered social programs headed by Osinbajo.. In Alias Movies, Sloane and Percy are my favourites.

Mayor08:

No.. It started before 2015, you guys hated them and even called if a Muslim party.. The hated existed before they were tested

What is the reality on ground at the moment? APC is just a section of PDP who conspired with "outsiders" to take over government in pursuit of whatever agenda that is clearly worse than what was, under the guise of deliverance.

Donelli:

What is the reality on ground at the moment? APC is just a section of PDP who conspired with "outsiders" to take over government in pursuit of whatever agenda that is clearly worse than what was, under the guise of deliverance.

Not disputing

shadeyinka:


Is there no intelligent way to work out a new political ideology that will suit the two regions?

Like I said earlier "there is no single Yoruba voice anywhere". Let's work on forging a unity

Politicians are not the problem of Nigeria instead we the people. It is more complicated

kernel01:



Sure! You're asking too much. A nation where her leaders loot and invest in other nations. A nation were the youths will rather board slave trade ship to earn just there salary. Tell me one thing to be proud of in Nigeria?

Nothing to be proud of except our resilience!

After listening to Mohalu in the political debate, I discovered that our differences is our greatest enemy. I see that Nigeria as a country seem to be under a curse! We vote it mediocres in the name of tribal sentiments when intellectuals boku for ground.

helinues:


You guys may not know it, but you derive joy in bringing others down. You are not interested in 2023 presidency, fine. SW are interested and have been negotiating, fighting, collaborating with other regions. Why not let them try their luck instead of sabotaging?? Huh

Let me burst your head.. Trader moni is for what? Physically delivered social programs headed by Osinbajo.. In Alias Movies, Sloane and Percy are my favourites.

You were making sense till you included the bolded remark. Who started the divide in the south? Yorubas

Who spearheaded the media campaign against the person of GEJ? Yorubas

Let us even agree on the fact that the president is accountable for the failures in his government, so why is thesame Yoruba media silent now with this government beating every bad record of the previous?

Mayor08:

I understand.. But the extent at which people from the East hate just any Muslim, any one that supports APC is so alarming... There is life after religion and politics.. We are humans first... Hope we get it right some day... Where are you from?

I'm Igbo. Trust me the problem isn't APC as a party, but the arrow heads. Is Atiku, Yaradua not Muslims? They perceive Buhari as a regional leader and extremist.

Remember comments made by Buhari during Jonathan government, so much that he was asked by Boko-haram to represent them with the FG the, finally it didn't happen.

Igbos can stand Tinubu ordering them, to an Igbo man every man is equal.

I want to tell you this for free. We love Ojukwu, but the moment he ventured into Nigerian politics, we didn't vote him, we felt betrayed and secondly, our votes alone can't help him, so we voted other candidate.

kernel01:



Brother... I will give you this information for free, verify it from any Igbo man. Igbos want an independent state, where merit thrives. Most Igbo's want Biafra, we have more than a war torn situation in Nigeria.

1.One of the Highest illiteracy in the world.
2. Poorest nation
3. Insurgency
4. High inflation
5. No credit
6. Third highest IDP
7. No power (Light)

What can they be fighting for in Nigeria?

If you have done your analysis we'll, you will see that we will succeed more because of our market size as a united country than otherwise. Technological development with no market is useless!

There is a gangup against emerging countries technology-wise. A country that would survive must have a large internal market.

We have all the problems above because the intellectuals have allowed the mediocre to rule them in the name of tribal sentiments. We need to strategically think of the way forward.

Donelli:

You were making sense till you included the bolded remark. Who started the divide in the south? Yorubas

Who spearheaded the media campaign against the person of GEJ? Yorubas

Let us even agree on the fact that the president is accountable for the failures in his government, so why is thesame Yoruba media silent now with this government beating every bad record of the previous?

Same Yoruba that supported GEJ in 2011 right?

Let assumed we spear headed media campaign against GEJ in 2015, is it not justifiable?

Yoruba silent with this government ?? Like Buhari received 75% of votes from SW even with Osinbajo as Vp?

Tell me what I don't know sir/ma

Donelli:

The Yorubas are not as politically independent as you think. What you have are two or three strongmen and their followers. The voting pattern depends on who the leaders go for.


The last sentence captures my thought about overhauling the system. Nigeria is not workable as it is and will only get worse.

Then again, we know the North wants to keep Nigeria by all means because of the oil, the East wants to leave Nigeria because of economic oppression and sabotage... What does the West want and why?

I beg to disagree with you here with due respect!
Voting pattern has never been one sided in the west. Except one is not educated...and that is why Tinubu will recon more with the Street Urchins than the intellectuals in winning elections.

Did Yorubas really follow OBJ even though he was one of them?

shadeyinka:

Nothing to be proud of except our resilience!

After listening to Mohalu in the political debate, I discovered that our differences is our greatest enemy. I see that Nigeria as a country seem to be under a curse! We vote it mediocres in the name of tribal sentiments when intellectuals boku for ground.

I read on Quora, an Israeli answering a question about Nigeria. He said Nigeria is the worst place to reside in this world.

He talked about our denial of the truth, voting an incompetence mediocre for a geniuse. A talent needs to pay to be admitted. Look at Anthony Joshua and Anaba. They both beg for opportunity to represent this nation, but no! Except they pay money.

Please I wish this nation be divided, we share different values.

Hello Sir

Donelli:

The Yorubas are not as politically independent as you think. What you have are two or three strongmen and their followers. The voting pattern depends on who the leaders go for.


The last sentence captures my thought about overhauling the system. Nigeria is not workable as it is and will only get worse.

Then again, we know the North wants to keep Nigeria by all means because of the oil, the East wants to leave Nigeria because of economic oppression and sabotage... What does the West want and why?

I beg to disagree with you here with due respect!
Voting pattern has never been one sided in the west. Except one is not educated...and that is why Tinubu will recon more with the Street Urchins than the intellectuals in winning elections.

Did Yorubas really follow OBJ even though he was one of them?

shadeyinka:

If there was a mistake of the past, must their children continue a senseless fight to their annihilation?

Bro, you’re on a quixotic venture. It’s never going to happen. You are just tilting at windmills.

This fvckery has been going on for over 150 years. From colonial records, the Yoruba and Igbo freed slaves in Sierra Leone were already at loggerheads with much the same quarrels you read everyday on this forum.

They should never have been together in one country but the British were never interested in a viable country to start with.

shadeyinka:


Is there no intelligent way to work out a new political ideology that will suit the two regions?

Like I said earlier "there is no single Yoruba voice anywhere". Let's work on forging a unity

Brother.... Our religious differences are too high. I wish we divide this nation, so many tiny nations are doing well. Libia are 10 million.

Donelli:

Even the Bible asks, "Can two walk together except they be agreed?"

Two people are compatible when they share common values...we don't.

Two people who don't share much similarities can live peacefully as long as they respect their differences.

Check which tribe takes it upon themselves to be pointing out which ethnicity is related or unrelated to who and why one people should not be dealing with their relatives then you'll discover where the problem originated from.

Trust me, you don't know how many Yorubas are simpathetic to the Igbo cause. But you seem more comfortable putting everyone in one straight jacket.

Is the Igbos more similar to the Hausa/Fulani?

The truth is that each tribe is different but it doesn't mean that we can't live together. A house divided against itself because of tribal differences cannot stand

kernel01:


I'm Igbo. Trust me the problem isn't APC as a party, but the arrow heads. Is Atiku, Yaradua not Muslims? They perceive Buhari as a regional leader and extremist.

Remember comments made by Buhari during Jonathan government, so much that he was asked by Boko-haram to represent them with the FG the, finally it didn't happen.

Igbos can stand Tinubu ordering them, to an Igbo man every man is equal.

I want to tell you this for free. We love Ojukwu, but the moment he ventured into Nigerian politics, we didn't vote him, we felt betrayed and secondly, our votes alone can't help him, so we voted other candidate.

I'm not against who you people vote for/like or what you stand for... You guys should learn to respect other people's decision, we are different... Let us criticize this government constructively and not base on hate... When an igbo man says something against this government, so many people will think he/she said that cause you guys hate him

helinues:


Same Yoruba that supported GEJ in 2011 right?

Which is what it ought to be. The north supports their own no matter what. What happens in the North, stays in the North and it should be thesame with the south. The only time a northerner antagonises another northerner in power, it is to take power for himself and not on behalf of the South... Which, by the way, has only happened during military coups... but your people are just too wise for their own good. After the games everybody go count scores.

Let assumed we spear headed media campaign against GEJ in 2015, is it not justifiable?

By principle, the media appeared to have done their job. So why is thesame resource not in play with all the wrongs happening, even far worse than what GEJ was accused of?

Yoruba silent with this government ?? Like Buhari received 75% of votes from SW even with Osinbajo as Vp?

Tell me what I don't know sir/ma

I'm referring to the ever vibrant Yoruba media corporation not the masses

shadeyinka:

If you have done your analysis we'll, you will see that we will succeed more because of our market size as a united country than otherwise. Technological development with no market is useless!

There is a gangup against emerging countries technology-wise. A country that would survive must have a large internal market.

We have all the problems above because the intellectuals have allowed the mediocre to rule them in the name of tribal sentiments. We need to strategically think of the way forward.

You sound differently, but our definition of power differs in Nigeria.

South defines power as the ability to provide jobs, economics and social welfare.

But the Northern defines it as the ability to suppress others and subject them to his own way of life.

bounty007:



Never ever trust a Yoruba man.

Don't ever do that......no matter the sophistication..

They can be so dangerous with betrayal... They call is wisdom..

My brother I tell you. I used to be part of the liberals then. They were advising me about them but I refused to listen until I experienced it first hand. Since then I have been very careful not to do anything with them.

shadeyinka:

Trust me, you don't know how many Yorubas are simpathetic to the Igbo cause. But you seem more comfortable putting everyone in one straight jacket.

Of course there will always be those FOR, AGAINST and NON-COMMITAL but what is the general sentiment?

Is the Igbos more similar to the Hausa/Fulani?

The truth is that each tribe is different but it doesn't mean that we can't live together. A house divided against itself because of tribal differences cannot stand

My point is, we all have differing values and conflicting interests so the union is not working.