Nazzysca:

Lol!
You are right about my coherence in my write-ups. Sorry, I was at work and was trying to juxtapose lots of ideas in few words.
Anyway, Aribisala Igbos have remained not a servant to the North and that's why the North is so scared of the Igbo man.
Ask yourself, why would the FG leave Sambisa and engage many troops in python dance just cos of Kanu?
(Btw, I like many Igbos are anti-Kanu but we only kept quiet on his rants cause the FG has done enough)
The point here is that the North knows for sure that any little uprising from the east will take a huge toll on the country.
In fact,you've wearied me with your argument which holds no water.
What are we arguing? That Igbos are not nonentities like you opined
I have not argued that Yorubas are great people, but you are here trying to claim Igbos are "wastes".
Bros, check yourself ooooooo!
You need to tone down the hate and lies, it is too much and no matter how much you look down on them, they won't be affected cos you're not GOD
The Hausas has never seen Igbos as slaves but enemies that are clear about their goals and intentions. How are you being viewed?
@ShadeYinka, I hope you are seeing it all? NAIJA would've been a country to behold but personally I have given up on it cos even the common man is so biased and selfish in thought

Me I know that our case is not as bad as that of Rwanda, therefore even if there are pockets of haters on both sides one day I hope the veil of jealousy and rivalry between us will break.

We quarrels over the past of which we don't have control of; but the future that we can still control, we use the past to destroy it even before getting there.

May God help us

MorufuAtanda:


We Yoruba can't raise a finger if the North says they want to continue in Aso rock post-2023. If the Yoruba makes too much noise and cry for it. The same northerners will remind yoruba that Obj has taken their turn.
We Yorubas also shout 'power is taken, not given'. Therefore the north has the right to TAKE IT! They have all the cards, so the yoruba should not lament when the north TAKES IT. Afterall power is TAKEN as yorubas claim, and rotational presidency is not backed by constitution.

2023 will be interesting. May Allah keep us alive.

You have an interesting point. Politics is a game of numbers. Neither the East nor the West can take power by force. The North can almost do it by themselves. All they need is to play on our little pockets of micro divisions. Cause even the West have never been politically homogeneous unlike the north.

For the East and West, it's a loosing battle. There has to be a change of political strategy

MorufuAtanda:


We Yoruba can't raise a finger if the North says they want to continue in Aso rock post-2023. If the Yoruba makes too much noise and cry for it. The same northerners will remind yoruba that Obj has taken their turn.
We Yorubas also shout 'power is taken, not given'. Therefore the north has the right to TAKE IT! They have all the cards, so the yoruba should not lament when the north TAKES IT. Afterall power is TAKEN as yorubas claim, and rotational presidency is not backed by constitution.

2023 will be interesting. May Allah keep us alive.

Look here young man, shadeyinka might be fooled by your antics but the rest of us aren't. You can still express your views without trying to use a Yoruba-sounding moniker to deceive people, OK? Nobody will beat or arrest you if you stay true to your Igbo roots when airing your views. Quit behaving like a coward.

shadeyinka:

It's no different!
Has the Yorubas won? No!
Has the Igbo's won? No!

What are they even fighting for?

There can be reconciliation if there is life and a future ahead

In all honesty I commend your efforts and worthy contribution into a possible actualization of this noble course. Peaceful cooperation and coexistence of these great sub Saharan tribes cannot be overemphasized, it is needed now than ever before.

Lots of harms have been done already as a result of this heinous disaffection, lots of progress has been hindered by this existing savagery and even worse is impending though avoidable.

All I pray for is, may God of peace intervene and pacify the raging storm.

You've contributed your part towards this bridge building and God of rewards will bestow his blessings upon you in due measure, please don't be dissuaded or discouraged by some of the negative comments emanating from this forum but be firm and courageous in furthering this noble quest. God bless and best wishes.

FortuneDeGreat:
In all honesty I commend your efforts and worthy contribution into a possible actualization of this noble course. Peaceful cooperation and coexistence of these great sub Saharan tribes cannot be overemphasized, it is needed now than ever before.

Lots of harms have been done already as a result of this heinous disaffection, lots of progress has been hindered by this existing savagery and even worse is impending though avoidable.

All I pray for is, may God of peace intervene and pacify the raging storm.

You've contributed your part towards this bridge building and God of rewards will bestow his blessings upon you in due measure, please don't be dissuaded or discouraged by some of the negative comments emanating from this forum but be firm and courageous in furthering this noble quest. God bless and best wishes.

I wish I could give you a hug from/ through the internet network.

I pray we can suspend emotion temporarily to think and work out strategies for our mutual greatness.

Till we get there, we would not give up.
Shalom

shadeyinka:

Let the East trust the North at their own peril.
The North is more comfortable with the West than the East any day. The North fear the East may retaliate if given power. Until you can find a Muslim Igbo presidential candidate, forget the North.

Why don't we repair the broken bridge between the East and The West. On deep analysis, it's just a case of inter-tribal jealousy at play.

Don't deceive yourself. An average hausa would rather deal with an Igbo in a matter of trust than a yoruba.

And an Igbo would rather trust his life and business to an Hausa than to a yoruba.

My best friend in Lagos is an Hausa man. I don't have trust issues but I am careful dealing with yorubas.

A Yoruba man recently scammed me of a hard earned 2.3 million and just last month, one cunnily took my 500k.

We did a business and my share was 10. He collected his and refused to remit mine. I flew more than 4 times from Enugu to Lagos to get my money back. The dude paid me in bits and was only able to pay 9.5.

I just laughed at his foolishness.

I loaned the money back to a Delta Igbo and he paid back before the agreed time but the issue we had was 200k which was amicably sorted out without us giving any of us headache.

This story is not necessary, but I just narrated to show you that your people are not trust-worthy.

Anyway, I love Yorubas because of recent, most of my money comes from Yoruba clients. They love good services and they trust Igbos more than their brothers to deliver excellent service.

Yorubas are friendly, but beneath their smiles, they are looking for a way to scam you of your money or stab you at the back.

Not all of them, their christians are good.

ChristianNorth:

Don't deceive yourself. An average hausa would rather deal with an Igbo in a matter of trust than a yoruba.

And an Igbo would rather trust his life and business to an Hausa than to a yoruba.

My best friend in Lagos is an Hausa man. I don't have trust issues but I am careful dealing with yorubas.

A Yoruba man recently scammed me of a hard earned 2.3 million and just last month, one cunnily took my 500k.

We did a business and my share was 10. He collected his and refused to remit mine. I flew more than 4 times from Enugu to Lagos to get my money back. The dude paid me in bits and was only able to pay 9.5.

I just laughed at his foolishness.

I loaned the money back to a Delta Igbo and he paid back before the agreed time but the issue we had was 200k which was amicably sorted out without us giving any of us headache.

This story is not necessary, but I just narrated to show you that your people are not trust-worthy.

Anyway, I love Yorubas because of recent, most of my money comes from Yoruba clients. They love good services and they trust Igbos more than their brothers to deliver excellent service.

Yorubas are friendly, but beneath their smiles, they are looking for a way to scam you of your money or stab you at the back.

Not all of them, their christians are good.

I have generalized as far as the current political terrain is concerned. As per politics the North specifically the Hausa/Fulani would choose a Yoruba man 10 times over an Igbo man.

As per individuals, we all have both extremely good and extremely bad human beings. I wouldn't judge a whole tribe by that yardstick!

Good morning.
Thanks to the op for this topic and thanks to all that has made contributions.


There is a course called PPE (Psychology, Philosophy and Economics) in Oxford University where you would learn behavior in social, cultural and economic context and why micro economic variable are key to advancing economic ideas. That is why there are difference in culture, dispositions and aspirations.
Some cultures are religious e.g. Islamic states like Saudi, Brunei and Afghanistan, Hindi in India etc. while some cultures are not religious or may be less religious. It is therefore pertinent to understand what informed those difference between people and cultures and, that inform their economic behavior.

The Igbo and the Yoruba had suspicious past - Yes, long before the advent of Nigeria and the civil war worsened the situation.

The Igbo and the Yoruba want the same thing - Yes, economic dominance and prosperity

Let's look at the PPE briefly in layman's language:

The Igbo seek prosperity for himself, competitive and seek out superiority to expand his own form of economic dominance. It is not the common goal that is supreme but the goal of individual households, that is the first priority over the communal goal.

The Yoruba seek prosperity for his community and himself, inclined to consensus and stable pattern of life. His economic dominance stems from the communal prosperity.

CONFLICT: When an Igbo man is in the Yoruba community, he quickly see gaps, try to fill it and make prosperity for himself. That is not naturally the problem as the Yoruba often look with a level of awe at how soon he was able to do that. Yoruba are largely ethical( cultural values) in business, are not given to hard competitions and accept an organized systems in the community. So you have farmers, traders, technicians etc without unnecessary infringements but the Igbo who are combative want opportunities to explore and do not give on those organization.

So why so much conflicts: Apart from the usurpation of the community of the Yoruba, the moment the Igbo want to move beyond the realm that has anything to do with decision making, conflicts begin.

How can we solve this problem: Confederation/Regional Semi Independence

The Yoruba often see the Igbo banding together to exercise economic dominance in commerce as an existential threat should that translate into a sort of communal economic power for political power play. The Yoruba land is favored for huge population with the highest purchasing power(now all groups love there) buoyed by economic powerhouse called Lagos. The Igbo need Yoruba land to make money through commerce, conflict will come if and whenever the Igbo seek other interests in addition to the group's economic power.


Can these two groups merge for economic power: Not likely, because their ideas are at variance but if such can satisfy these two constraints, yes
Politically, not likely why? because they want power for different reasons, never about equity but to still achieve the two above in different ways. Their methodologies are not the same.

The North want power for protection; economic and geographical and they are preferred by Europe because of their religious culture that readily play down research and competition. Such culture is similar to oil rich middle east keeping their reserves in their countries, all is about economic survival.


What can happen. I think it is wise to agree to support whosoever have the better chance of producing the next president and focus on restructuring! Am not just willing to say all because this is a public domain. If Yoruba stand the better chance, Igbo should negotiate for what they want to give maximum support and go ahead. Squabbling on who the President is wont ever solve our problem. Negotiate your support on conditions and trust. That is the way forward.

Thank you.

shadeyinka:

I have generalized as far as the current political terrain is concerned. As per politics the North specifically the Hausa/Fulani would choose a Yoruba man 10 times over an Igbo man.

As per individuals, we all have both extremely good and extremely bad human beings. I wouldn't judge a whole tribe by that yardstick!

Don't deceive yourself. 9 years after the war, the North ran with an Igbo VP and won.

SW can only defeat SE if they ride on the back of Buhari's will in the North. If Atiku had won, Peter Obi would beat any SW candidate.

shadeyinka:

I have generalized as far as the current political terrain is concerned. As per politics the North specifically the Hausa/Fulani would choose a Yoruba man 10 times over an Igbo man.

As per individuals, we all have both extremely good and extremely bad human beings. I wouldn't judge a whole tribe by that yardstick!

ChristianNorth:

Don't deceive yourself. An average hausa would rather deal with an Igbo in a matter of trust than a yoruba.

...

You're both correct.

aribisala0:
In Nigeria of 1970 if there was one group that was a frien to the Eboe man it was the Yoruba
Awolowo save all the allocation of East Central state during the war and handed it over at the end,he recapitalized ACB but they chose to make the Yoruba their enemy.

The truth is this started even before the war. They jailed Awo. Zik as presiden appointed Eboes all over University of Ibadan. I can go on till next year intead of you to show respect and gratitude to the one people who showed you humanity after the war you fed your children all manner of lies and today we have the result.


You are in for a nasty surprise before the year runs out. You will find out what the Fulani have always known

Oga Aribisala, why do you lie a lot?
See, Awo was a smart man, very intelligent and the North needed someone like him to bring down the Igbos during the war. I for one, I am not against all Awo did as it was a war and every tactics was needed to stop the Igbos: I believe anyone will do same in their shoes.
Impoverishing the SE after the war isn't my problem too as the region engaged in war and somehow impoverished Nigeria.
But my concern here is that despite all these, the Igbo man rose with no reconciliatory measures, no support from the FG, no funds nor infrastructure was brought to ameliorate the pains of the past.

Now, you are coming out to lie on the what Awo (the FG then, not just Baba Awo) did?
Look at how you coined your words, "they jailed Awo", then Zik appointed people all over Ibadan.
See Aribisala, the Igbos have an attitude, the undaunting spirit to live in isolation if need be and thrive anywhere, doing the impossible. All you said above was not a deliberate act by Zik but the natural ways of the Igbo men who got those posts (even without Zik's help). All over the world, an Igbo man is not afraid to do anything even the evil stuffs (the bad one hurts) and keep its head high.
. Remember Tafawa Balewa's videos? He mentioned the economic dominance of the Igbos and that was what you saw and not Zik's influnece.
Bros, Zik isn't even that kind of person; he never helped the Igbos during the war cos he was entirely against the war and was at loggerheads with Ojukwu throughout the war.
The Igbos felt Zik was against their course and that's why they don't exalt Zik like they do Ojukwu.
Zik isn't a radical but a less active fellow than even Awo.
Zik as a person, did not fight for his region like Awo did, Zik was more Nigerian than Awo; Awo was more of a SouthWesterner.

Aribisala, there is no nasty surprise coming before year end as nothing is new in the Nigerian political sphere. All these events now are new to only people who always lied to themselves.

shadeyinka:

I have generalized as far as the current political terrain is concerned. As per politics the North specifically the Hausa/Fulani would choose a Yoruba man 10 times over an Igbo man.

As per individuals, we all have both extremely good and extremely bad human beings. I wouldn't judge a whole tribe by that yardstick!

Very very correct. You are not generalizing as it is a fact even 100 times over an Igbo man, an Hausa/Fulani prefers a Yoruba man.
But you know why? An average Igbo man will balkanise NAIJA in just 1 tenure.Lol!
This preference of the Hausas, is for their own course of perpetual dominance and furtherance of Uthman Danfodio's dynasty: and this an Igbo man will not wait till the day dawns to smash at.
Bros, this is the simple truth and this is another point of problem between the Yorubas and the Igbos.

An Igbo man wants to trample on the North's hold immediately and sees the Yoruba man accepting the position and doing nothing as a saboteur. The Igbo man doesn't realise it is not in the Yoruba man's blood for such aggresssion and it is not considered sabotage by the Yoruba man

Nazzysca:

Very very correct. You are not generalizing as it is a fact even 100 times over an Igbo man, an Hausa/Fulani prefers a Yoruba man.
But you know why? An average Igbo man will balkanise NAIJA in just 1 tenure.Lol!
This preference of the Hausas, is for their own course of perpetual dominance and furtherance of Uthman Danfodio's dynasty: and this an Igbo man will not wait till the day dawns to smash at.
Bros, this is the simple truth and this is another point of problem between the Yorubas and the Igbos.

An Igbo man wants to trample on the North's hold immediately and sees the Yoruba man accepting the position and doing nothing as a saboteur. The Igbo man doesn't realise it is not in the Yoruba man's blood for such aggresssion and it is not considered sabotage by the Yoruba man

I wish we can all think hard and deep: for the slave is ridding on a horse while the prince is walking barefoot.

Emotion has beclouded our heads so that we have become so stupid it's difficult to quantify.

I honestly don't know whether stupidity runs in our DNA.
My Father used to say "Wisdom is greater than Strength"
Those we consider as uneducated and uncivilised brutes are indeed much more Intelligent than us (on the average from what I'm seeing on Nairaland) which makes us the dumbest fools in Africa.

mandarin:
Good morning.
Thanks to the op for this topic and thanks to all that has made contributions.


There is a course called PPE (Psychology, Philosophy and Economics) in Oxford University where you would learn behavior in social, cultural and economic context and why micro economic variable are key to advancing economic ideas. That is why there are difference in culture, dispositions and aspirations.
Some cultures are religious e.g. Islamic states like Saudi, Brunei and Afghanistan, Hindi in India etc. while some cultures are not religious or may be less religious. It is therefore pertinent to understand what informed those difference between people and cultures and, that inform their economic behavior.

The Igbo and the Yoruba had suspicious past - Yes, long before the advent of Nigeria and the civil war worsened the situation.

The Igbo and the Yoruba want the same thing - Yes, economic dominance and prosperity

Let's look at the PPE briefly in layman's language:

The Igbo seek prosperity for himself, competitive and seek out superiority to expand his own form of economic dominance. It is not the common goal that is supreme but the goal of individual households, that is the first priority over the communal goal.

The Yoruba seek prosperity for his community and himself, inclined to consensus and stable pattern of life. His economic dominance stems from the communal prosperity.

CONFLICT: When an Igbo man is in the Yoruba community, he quickly see gaps, try to fill it and make prosperity for himself. That is not naturally the problem as the Yoruba often look with a level of awe at how soon he was able to do that. Yoruba are largely ethical( cultural values) in business, are not given to hard competitions and accept an organized systems in the community. So you have farmers, traders, technicians etc without unnecessary infringements but the Igbo who are combative want opportunities to explore and do not give on those organization.

So why so much conflicts: Apart from the usurpation of the community of the Yoruba, the moment the Igbo want to move beyond the realm that has anything to do with decision making, conflicts begin.

How can we solve this problem: Confederation/Regional Semi Independence

The Yoruba often see the Igbo banding together to exercise economic dominance in commerce as an existential threat should that translate into a sort of communal economic power for political power play. The Yoruba land is favored for huge population with the highest purchasing power(now all groups love there) buoyed by economic powerhouse called Lagos. The Igbo need Yoruba land to make money through commerce, conflict will come if and whenever the Igbo seek other interests in addition to the group's economic power.


Can these two groups merge for economic power: Not likely, because their ideas are at variance but if such can satisfy these two constraints, yes
Politically, not likely why? because they want power for different reasons, never about equity but to still achieve the two above in different ways. Their methodologies are not the same.

The North want power for protection; economic and geographical and they are preferred by Europe because of their religious culture that readily play down research and competition. Such culture is similar to oil rich middle east keeping their reserves in their countries, all is about economic survival.


What can happen. I think it is wise to agree to support whosoever have the better chance of producing the next president and focus on restructuring! Am not just willing to say all because this is a public domain. If Yoruba stand the better chance, Igbo should negotiate for what they want to give maximum support and go ahead. Squabbling on who the President is wont ever solve our problem. Negotiate your support on conditions and trust. That is the way forward.

Thank you.

Excellent academic analysis.
That is the way to go:
Think
Think
And
Think again

Of where we are coming from
Where we want to go
Where we are going
What is the solution.

I hope more people would take this path

My vote is for pdp come 2023...


I don't have any business with awolowo and his yet another dubious plan....


Trust them at ur own harm......

Stick won't destroy ur eyes two times before u get sense....


Century and millennium backstabbers.

shadeyinka:

But it doesn't mean that peace shouldn't be given a chance. Right now, we need the unity more than ever. The North prefer the West to the East, that is the truth. But, the East cannot be politically relevant by themselves. They need more friends than enemies. Therefore make more friends!

k
The so called preference is temporary because of buhari who is not a politician. The northern political elites will always take igbo over yuroba. 2023 will open some yuroba doubting Thomas's eye.

allcomage:
k
The so called preference is temporary because of buhari who is not a politician. The northern political elites will always take igbo over yuroba. 2023 will open some yuroba doubting Thomas's eye.

If you've ever lived in the North, you'll never say that.
The average Hausa man is scared of ever giving an Ibo man an opportunity to wield power.