shadeyinka:

You are misunderstanding her.
She never condoned sin

She says "if the Holy Spirit doesn't convict you of sin if you do, you are never born again in the first place".

Let me ask you a direct question:
When does a Christian loose his salvation?

Chylo:


Bro, please can I ask you this?
"At what point is someone saved?"

sacx:


Where in scripture did you find that God recreated the human Spirit, and at what point in time did he give it to him?

There is one Spirit sir.

alBHAGDADI:




I'll advice everyone reading this to please flee from Pentecostal Churches which are devil's houses. Flee from any church that preaches Works Based Salvation e.g RCCG, Winners, Deeper Life etc and go find a Once Saved Always Saved Church e.g Baptist. Do that now before it's too late.

Iroroghene:


Apart from Baptist, which other Once Saved, Always Saved church can one attend?

shadeyinka:

A person is saved when he realises that he is a sinner going to help and trust God for attornment of His sins through Jesus Christ the Lamb of God by asking Him through Faith because he believes in God.

Luk 11:9-13:
"And I say unto you, Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you. For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened. If a son shall ask bread of any of you that is a father, will he give him a stone? or if he ask a fish, will he for a fish give him a serpent? Or if he shall ask an egg, will he offer him a scorpion? If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?"


Rom 10:9-11:
"That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation . For the Scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed."

alBHAGDADI:


Before you attend any church, always ask to know if it's Once Saved Always Saved. Flee if it's not. Flee from Pentecostal Churches.

shadeyinka:

What we are saying is that if you see any "Christian" enjoy sin, such may never have been born again.

Is it answering an alter call that make a person born again?

There are many people who have answered to an alter call but are not known by Christ.

If one has the Holy Spirit, he will produce the fruit of the Holy Spirit. Or what do you think?

alBHAGDADI:


Before you attend any church, always ask to know if it's Once Saved Always Saved. Flee if it's not. Flee from Pentecostal Churches.

Chylo:


Please what is your interpretation of this scripture:

Hebrews 6:4-6 King James Version (KJV)
4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,

5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,

6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

What does the phrase "fall away" mean to you?

Iroroghene:


I don't think it's easy to find these churches but if it's once saved, forever saved, that would mean I don't have to be going to church every Sunday, right?
Is it still compulsory to go to church when one is already saved?

ojhandsome:



firstly no one has his or her own interpretation of the bible always allow the bible to explain itself ,,,to understand or correctly interpret the bible u must read the pretext n post text i will advice u start from the beginning of Hebrews... the book of Hebrews was written to the Jews as the name implies not to say we cant apply it today to us as Christians... so if you are reading Hebrews try to put yourself in the shoes of a jew because you and i are gentiles with this understanding the above verses u quoted was referring to the Israelite ie their fore fathers in the time of Moses how after experiencing the power of GOD they still refuse to believe start.... reading from chapter 3 down to chapter 6,,,,when u get to chapter 6 read dwn to verse 9Heb 6:9 do not allow chapters n verses confuse u the bible did not originally come wt chapters n verses it was added along the line to make reading easier

verse 9 says But, beloved, we are persuaded better things of you, and things that accompany salvation, though we thus speak.
KJV
after the writer has spoken about the isrealites in the wilderness he comes bk to u and i wich is what vs 9 is saying u are not like dem that saw the glory of GOD but hardened their hearts

salvation is a gift righteousness is a gift romans 5 17 u dont work for it once God gives u something he doesn't take it back romans 11;29

eph 1 13 says we are SEALED with the holy spirit

once you are born again you are kept by Jesus he is the one doing the work not

Jude1; 24
Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy,
KJV

see also
John 10:28-30

28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.

30 I and my Father are one.
KJV

hope the explanation is clear ..i call you blessed

Chylo:

What church do you attend, brother?

Chylo:


Please what is your interpretation of this scripture:

Hebrews 6:4-6 King James Version (KJV)
4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,

5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,

6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

What does the phrase "fall away" mean to you?

Chylo:


Ok, thanks for your detailed answer. The next question I have is this:

Are you saying that once someone has fulfilled this condition: "A person is saved when he realises that he is a sinner going to help and trust God for attornment of His sins through Jesus Christ the Lamb of God by asking Him through Faith because he believes in God.", then he is saved forever irrespective of what he does or does not do thereafter?

alBHAGDADI:


You go to church to learn how to live your life in the right way pleasing to God.

Iroroghene:


I mean we can learn how to live right with God by studying the scriptures.

biggy26:

You are correct in your submission, but it's not the Holy Spirit that's in constant conflict with the flesh, but the human recreated spirit.

duality:



You see yourself? For you to be twisting it this way shows obvious manipulation.
The devil is really wicked.

They were all virgins! Get that fact first. Those who didn't ensure they had extra oil, missed it. In VS 8,their lamps were gone out. That they are all virgins signified that they have been washed with the blood, but were careless and foolish. Just the way you want people to be.

Careless souls, who profess salvation but have departed from the faith.

alBHAGDADI:


If you are not born again, you can't understand the Bible.

duality:



You see yourself? For you to be twisting it this way shows obvious manipulation.
The devil is really wicked.

They were all virgins! Get that fact first. Those who didn't ensure they had extra oil, missed it. In VS 8,their lamps were gone out. That they are all virgins signified that they have been washed with the blood, but were careless and foolish. Just the way you want people to be.

Careless souls, who profess salvation but have departed from the faith.

Yinyeon:


Besides, this doesn't call for silent insults.
The same way you try to defend your beliefs, that's the same way I'm trying to defend mine as well.

You don't have to insult me to prove your point.

It's funny how you profess yourself saved and can't even present your Faith nicely. Pity!!!

So much for Work based Salvation.

Chylo:


No, its not quite clear. Are you saying the verses I quoted refers to the Israelites? If so how were they "made partakers of the Holy Ghost" and how did they "crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh". Please be explicit. Thanks.

alBHAGDADI:


If you are not born again, you can't understand the Bible.

Iroroghene:


Yes, I know. If I attend church once, get born again (saved) and stop going, while having personal fellowship with Christ in my room, there wouldn't be any need to attend church then.

Yinyeon:


It's the Holy Spirit that dwells in every Believer that is in constant conflict with the flesh.

shadeyinka:

1. I believe in God's foreknowledge of our actions on earth even before He created anything
2. I believe that based on Gods foreknowledge, He made provision (special grace) predestination for those He had foreknown
3. Gods predestination is NOT random else He would be unjust to condemn a person who had not yet commited sin/iniquity.

4. Apart from this aspect of predestination (which has to do with salvation) , I doubt if God predestined our lives else, we would not/can not be guilty of what we have been predestined to do.

No one ever blames a Lime/Lemon for being bitter.
But if an orange tree would produce bitter orange, we will cut it down

Yinyeon:


First off, it isn't the church that saves you, it's God.
It's also good to be in a church, that is people who are believers so that they can help point out when you are in the wrong, as well as other benefits you tend to gain.

But then it's better not to go a church where they hold on to false doctrines especially when you are just starting and don't know much.

It's best you avoid such churches so they don't inculcate wrong doctrines into you.

I don't go to church because there aren't any Reformed churches around where I reside.
But I always listen to sermons by my favourite preachers; Paul Washer, John piper, John MacArthur, Voddie Baucham; what I'd give to find a Reformed church around.

biggy26:

Don't be desirous of being a teacher without proper study. Go, read and understand.