| Re: How To Get Jehovah's Witnesses To Listen by Nobody: 8:33am On May 13, 2019 |
johnw47:
fearful lying pharisee winky max
Rev_21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
Rev_20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
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| Re: How To Get Jehovah's Witnesses To Listen by johnw47: 11:05am On May 13, 2019 |
Maximus69:
fearful lying pharisee winky max Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. Heb 1:8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. Heb 1:9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows. |
| Re: How To Get Jehovah's Witnesses To Listen by CAPTIVATOR: 10:51pm On May 13, 2019 |
achorladey:
Jozzy4: hahahahahaha heavenly body?
Achorladey: This will will mean you believe according to Acts 1:3 Jesus by then he didn't have heavenly body as at then. Abi no be so? Which mean when he was resurrected he still has appeared in EARTHLY BODY. So how does earthly body looks like?
Please don't come back and tell me it's a MATERIALIZED body. There is a question already in store on that for you.
Fixed!
Jozzy4: shuuuuu . what they saw his MATERIALIZED flesh and bones not HEAVENLY BODY.
Achorladey: So why did JESUS CHRIST had to MATERIALIZED into FLESH and BONES if he was not resurrected in SPIRIT and didn't had the HEAVENLY BODY as at then? Except you don't agree with the JW theology again.
He was ressurected as a Spirit. But a Spirit can appear in an earthly body. That doesn't make what is seen heavenly.
Jozzy4: he hasnt returned to heaven to receive his heavenly glory which he had before the earth was made (John 17;5)
Achorladey: When I cited Acts 1:3 did it state he has returned to heaven? No is the answer.
But does that mean he has not received his glory or lost his glory?
John 1:14. So the Word became flesh and resided among us, and we had a view of his glory, a glory such as belongs to an only-begotten son from a father; and he was full of DIVINE FAVOR and TRUTH.
2 Peter 17 For he received from GOD the FATHER HONOR and GLORY when WORDS such as THESE were CONVEYED to HIM by the MAGNIFICENT GLORY: “This is my Son, my BELOVED, WHOM I MYSELF have APPROVED.”18 Yes, these words we heard coming from HEAVEN while we were WITH HIM in the holy mountain.
Hebrews 1:5,6 For to which of the angels did God ever say, “You are my son! Today I have fathered you”? And in another place he says, “I will be his father and he will be my son.” 6 But when he again brings his FIRSTBORN into the world, he says, “Let all the angels of God WORSHIP HIM!”
After all, it is still in the NAME of JESUS CHRIST every knee must BOW. Hahahahaha That's is the name he was given right from BIRTH. So how come did he LOST THE GLORY.
Jozzy4: that glory is not earthly, in fact he had to empty it and be born of a woman to walk this earth ,those disciples cant behold it, . back to heaven , Christ is now heavenly WITH GLORY.
Achorladey: The scripture below will be just fine for the above comment.
So the Word became flesh and resided among us, and we had a VIEW of HIS GLORY, a GLORY such as BELONGS to an ONLY -BEGOTTEN SON from a father; and he was full of divine favor and truth.
Jozzy4: unless u mean he will have to be born as human a second time to as to empty his glory and come to earth.
Achorladey: The ASSUMPTION above can only be from your own THINKING not MINE.
When he was RESURRECTED did he ENTERED into the womb of MARY in order to get a MATERIALIZED FLESH and BONE for those that Acts 1:3 mentioned could see him? Hahahahaha!
The reason I asked you earlier in this post WHY DID HE MATERIALIZED when he(Jesus Christ) was RESURRECTED in order to be SEEN by others? Did Jesus have his HEAVENLY BODY as at then or not?
Jozzy4: like captivator said. u are making a useless argument.
Achorladey: After reading you will know if indeed the point of your friend had made is valid or not.
Glory is all you saw, it would have helped you to check that John 17:5 and see the exact Glory been talked about.
John 17:5
So now Father, glorify me at your side with the GLORY I HAD ALONGSIDE you before the world was At your side. Heavenly. The above glory isnt earthly, you can revisit what happen to Paul on the way to Damascus " I could not see anything because of the glory of that light " Jesus dwells in APPROACHABLE LIGHT. everything in your write up point to Jesus appearing in an earthly body. He needs to be In heaven to appear in his heavenly body. The word " earthly ' and " heavenly " indicate two different dimensions. When scripture calls him heavenly one. He belongs to the heavens cc Jozzy4 |
| Re: How To Get Jehovah's Witnesses To Listen by CAPTIVATOR: 11:43pm On May 13, 2019 |
achorladey:
CAPTIVATOR: It said Jesus entered with the cloud of heaven . HE IS HEAVENLY. not human
oh u think in your mind after coming before the ancient of days, he will go to earth to rule ? stark ignorance.
Achorladey: Let me rephrase the above.......
It is said They will SEE the SON of MAN ARRIVING on the CLOUDS of HEAVEN with power and great glory. He is indeed HEAVENLY not HUMAN.
Oh u think in your mind after going back into the heaven before the ancient of days, he cannot come back to earth to rule?
STARK IGNORANCE indeed.
Even those who pierced him would see him . of course those Roman soldiers are still alive. No enlightenment for you. You saw " Great Glory " . didn't you ? Just remain like that!
CAPTIVATOR: "[God] raised him up from the dead and seated him at his right hand in the HEAVENLY PLACES,... not only in this system of things BUT ALSO IN THAT TO COME" Eph 1:20,21
Achorladey: This is Ephesians 1:20,21
20 which he exercised toward Christ when he raised him up from the dead and seated him at his right hand in the heavenly places, 21 far above every government and authority and power and lordship and every name that is named, not only in this system of things but also in that to come.
You want to try colour the verse to mean JESUS was seated PERMANENTLY in heaven abi? Hahahahaha.
Where is Christ seated ? Where is his throne ? According to the above scripture ... Was he seated on earth or heavenly places ?
Emphasis here on the AUTHORITY JESUS now HAS. Even before he was RESURRECTED back into HEAVEN and SEATED there, Matthew 28:18 said WHAT?
Matthew 28:18 Jesus approached and spoke to them, saying: “ALL AUTHORITY has been GIVEN me in HEAVEN and on the EARTH. Equally telling you all things are made SUBJECT under his feet.
He was still on EARTH when he said THIS ooooooo. Abi was he ALREADY seated in HEAVENLY places when he said the above? Hahahahaha.
In the system of things to come, where will Christ be seated as King ?
CAPTIVATOR: what about his associate king and priest?
Achorladey: and what about them?
CAPTIVATOR: Jesus replied two of his disciples whom he promised to sit on thrones, sitting at my right hand and left hand is left for those whom the father has reserved it. clearly, they will be with him in the heavenly places.
Achorladey: Just show us HOW it was CLEARLY stated in the scripture you cited that they will be with him in the HEAVEN. This is the scripture below though.
Matthew 20: 20,21 Then the mother of the sons of Zebʹe·dee approached him with her sons, doing obeisance and asking for something from him. 21 He said to her: “What do you want?” She replied to him: “Give the word that these two sons of mine may sit down, one at your right hand and one at your left, in your Kingdom.”
Matthew 20:23.....He said to them: “You will indeed drink my cup, but to sit down at my right hand and at my left is not mine to give, but it belongs to those for whom it has been prepared by my Father.
Christ is seated in the heavenly places, where is his right hand and left hand sits located ?
CAPTIVATOR: that bring to reality the earlier scripture " like the heavenly one, so also are those who are heavenly"
Achorladey: Is there anything STOPPING CHRIST the HEAVENLY ONE from REIGNING with those he made KINGS and PRIEST(HEAVENLY like the HEAVENLY ONE) ON THE EARTH?
All are seated in the heavenly places. Read my earlier responses
CAPTIVATOR: dont forget Dan 7:13,14 ... THE NATIONS ON EARTH AND PEOPLES ARE SUBJECTS serving the heaveanly king. LOL
Achorladey: At the time Christ made the statement in Matthew 28:18 was he HEAVENLY or NOT? Is his statement not an INDICATOR that all things are made to subject to him?
and yet the above still do not change this question below
That's Christ alone. But for other co rulers , they shall RULE with him over the earth. only those on earth are their own subjects .
Is there anything STOPPING CHRIST the HEAVENLY ONE from REIGNING with those he made KINGS and PRIEST ON THE EARTH?
Christ and those he made King and Priest are heavenly. That's where THEY are SEATED
CAPTIVATOR: the bolded reveal this kingdom and its ruler are heavenly, while the earthly kings are ruling . God set up that kingdom. it was invisible until it crushed them and extend its dominion to the earth.
Achorladey:All of a sudden the kingdom has become INVISIBLE. Hahahahaha! How will it not be INVISIBLE when JESUS CHRIST came INVISIBLY too in years back. Hahahahaha. but will be VISIBLE when he ARRIVES to JUDGE in future. Hahahahaha!
Here is the scripture related to the one you BOLDED once again.
Daniel 2: 34,35 YOU LOOKED on UNTIL a STONE was cut OUT , not by HANDS, and it struck the image on its feet of iron and of clay and crushed them. 35 At that time the iron, the clay, the copper, the silver, and the gold were, all together, crushed and became like the chaff from the summer threshing floor, and the wind carried them away so that not a trace of them could be found. BUT the STONE that struck the IMAGE became a large MOUNTAIN, and it FILLED the WHOLE EARTH.
Cut out of where ? You are clueless , does this not further proved that Gods kingdom Ruled from heaven over the earth ?
CAPTIVATOR: dont forget Dan 7:13,14 ... THE NATIONS AND PEOPLES ARE SUBJECTS serving the heaveanly king.
Achorladey: At the time Christ made the statement in Matthew 28:18 /was he HEAVENLY or NOT? Is his statement not an INDICATOR that all things are made to subject to him?
Not heavenly. If he was heavenly he won't be seen  Present your evidence that he is already in heaven?
and yet the above still do not change the scripture below
because by means of him all other things were created in the heavens and on the earth, the things visible and the things invisible, whether they are THRONES or LORDSHIPS or GOVERNMENTS or AUTHORITIES. All other things have been created through him and for him.
and they are equally SUBJECTED to him.
That doesn't change the fact that those on earth are subjects. Not kings For his co rulers, seated in the heavenly places, the earth is made subject to them .
CAPTIVATOR: THATS WHAT destroyed your theory.
Achorladey: You didn't even answer the question not to talk of destroying the theory.
CAPTIVATOR: he is seated in the heavenly places now and forever!
Achorladey: Daniel 12:1 During that time MIʹCHA·EL will STAND UP, the great prince who is standing in BEHALF of YOUR PEOPLE. And there will occur a time of distress such as has not occurred since there came to be a nation until that time . And during that time your people will escape, everyone who is found written down in the book.
Revelation 19: 11 I saw heaven opened, and look! a white horse. And the one seated on it is called Faithful and True, and he judges and carries on war in righteousness. 12 His eyes are a fiery flame, and on his head are many diadems. He has a name written that no one knows but he himself, 13 and he is clothed with an outer garment stained with blood, and he is called by the name The Word of God.
Revelation 19:19.....And I saw the wild beast and the KINGS of the EARTH and their armies gathered together to WAGE WAR against the ONE SEATED on the HORSE and AGAINST his ARMY.
Oga CAPTIVATOR is your LORD SEATED FOREVER or WILL STAND UP in future on BEHALF of HIS PEOPLE to WAGE WAR against HIS ENEMIES?
How exactly does this make Christ earthly , are his armies Earthly ? Christ is seated at where ?
CAPTIVATOR: and the nations are his subjects as shown at Daniel 7:13,14 not kings.
Achorladey: At the time Christ made the statement in Matthew 28:18 was he HEAVENLY or NOT? Is his statement not an INDICATOR that all things are made to subject to him?
and yet the above still do not change this question below
Is there anything STOPPING CHRIST the HEAVENLY ONE from REIGNING with those he made KINGS and PRIEST ON THE EARTH?
He isn't heavenly . that doesn't make him earthly either because his flesh is materialized like the angels in the past. To be a true earthly one, you must be born by a woman as flesh and blood. He has gotten past that phase. 1 Like |
| Re: How To Get Jehovah's Witnesses To Listen by Nobody: 2:20pm On May 14, 2019 |
johnw47:
fearful lying pharisee winky max
Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Heb 1:8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
Heb 1:9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.
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| Re: How To Get Jehovah's Witnesses To Listen by achorladey: 7:45pm On May 14, 2019 |
CAPTIVATOR:
Fixed!
He was ressurected as a Spirit. But a Spirit can appear in an earthly body. That doesn't make what is seen heavenly.
Glory is all you saw, it would have helped you to check that John 17:5 and see the exact Glory been talked about.
John 17:5
So now Father, glorify me at your side with the GLORY I HAD ALONGSIDE you before the world was
At your side. Heavenly.
The above glory isnt earthly, you can revisit what happen to Paul on the way to Damascus
" I could not see anything because of the glory of that light "
Jesus dwells in APPROACHABLE LIGHT.
everything in your write up point to Jesus appearing in an earthly body. He needs to be In heaven to appear in his heavenly body. The word " earthly ' and " heavenly " indicate two different dimensions.
When scripture calls him heavenly one. He belongs to the heavens
cc Jozzy4
CAPTIVATOR:Fixed! Achorladey: You didn't fix anything rather you have just proved that indeed there is nothing stopping Christ from ruling with those he made KINGS and PRIEST ON THE EARTH. Why did I say so, this is your second response to my post below........ CAPTIVATOR: He was ressurected as a SPIRIT. But a SPIRIT can APPEAR in an EARTHLY BODY. That doesn't make what is seen HEAVENLY. Achorladey: If you had been patient with yourself when responding you will understand the point being made. Hahahahaha. Here it is again according to CAPTIVATOR......He was RESURRECTED as a SPIRIT but a SPIRIT can APPEAR in an EARTHLY BODY. So WHAT BODY was that spirit IN before it can appear in EARTHLY BODY? and as at THEN has JESUS CHRIST returned back to HEAVEN? CAPTIVATOR: He was ressurected as a Spirit. But a Spirit can appear in an earthly body. That doesn't make what is seen heavenly. Achorladey: The response to my question below is what you typed above. So why did JESUS CHRIST had to MATERIALIZED into FLESH and BONES if he was not resurrected in SPIRIT and didn't had the HEAVENLY BODY as at THEN? Does your response not give you AWAY that before Christ ascend to HEAVEN he already has the HEAVENLY BODY. Hahahahaha. After all you agreed he was resurrected in SPIRIT. It's open knowledge that GOD is a SPIRIT. I am wondering what difference you are trying to sort here? CAPTIVATOR: Glory is all you saw, it would have helped you to check that John 17:5 and see the exact Glory been talked about. Achorladey: I checked Oga CAPTIVATOR here is it as cited by you below CAPTIVATOR: John 17:5 So now Father, glorify me at your side with the GLORY I HAD ALONGSIDE you before the world was At your side. Heavenly. Achorladey: That's a confirmation that I saw what is cited in John 17:5 CAPTIVATOR: The above glory isnt earthly, you can revisit what happen to Paul on the way to Damascus Achorladey: Sure I will CAPTIVATOR: I could not see anything because of the glory of that light" Achorladey: Acts 22:9-11 Now the men who were with me DID SEE the LIGHT, but they did NOT HEAR the VOICE of the one speaking to me. 10 At that I said: ‘What should I do, Lord?’ The Lord said to me: ‘Rise, go into Damascus, and there you will be told about everything it is appointed for you to do.’ 11 But since I could not see anything because of the GLORY of THAT LIGHT, I arrived in Damascus led by the hand of those who were with me. That's WHAT happened to Paul on his way to Damascus, PAUL did not see ANYTHING because of the GLORY of that LIGHT yet THOSE WITH HIM SAW IT. So? Perhaps you might now go and take a look below concerning WHAT HAPPENED TO STEPHEN. Acts 7 : 54-57 Well, at hearing these things, they were infuriated in their hearts and began to grind their teeth at him. 55 But he, being full of holy spirit, gazed into HEAVEN and caught SIGHT of GOD’S GLORY and of JESUS STANDING at GOD’S RIGHT HAND, 56 and he said: “Look! I see the heavens opened up and the SON of MAN STANDING at God’s RIGHT HAND.” Did STEPHEN see JESUS GLORY? Did STEPHEN ASCEND to HEAVEN and see JESUS CHRIST in HIS HEAVENLY GLORY? DID STEPHEN saw CHRIST HEAVENLY BODY? John 1:8,9.......He was not that light , but he was meant to bear witness about that LIGHT. 9 The true LIGHT that gives LIGHT to every sort of man was about to COME into THE WORLD. John 1: 14...... So the Word became flesh and resided among us, and we had a VIEW of HIS GLORY, a GLORY such as BELONGS to an only-begotten SON from a FATHER; and he was full of DIVINE FAVOR and TRUTH CAPTIVATOR: Jesus dwells in APPROACHABLE LIGHT. Achorladey: You mean to type UNAPPROACHABLE LIGHT isn't it? Here is 1 Timothy 6:14-16 14 to observe the commandment in a spotless and irreprehensible way until the MANIFESTATION of OUR Lord JESUS CHRIST, 15 which the happy and only Potentate will SHOW in its OWN APPOINTED TIMES. He is the King of those who rule as kings and Lord of those who rule as lords, 16 the one alone having immortality, who dwells in UNAPPROACHABLE LIGHT, whom no MAN has SEEN or can SEE. To him be honor and eternal might. Amen. Concerning this your UNAPPROACHABLE LIGHT palaver, are we still TALKING about JESUS CHRIST here or not? Why did I say so, the JW THEOLOGY has an interesting EXPLANATION to the scripture you have cited. You might want to DELVE into it before I bring it up. CAPTIVATOR: everything in your write up point to JESUS APPEARING in an earthly body. Achorladey: Jesus was resurrected in SPIRIT. The bible states so, You said he MATERIALIZED in order to be SEEN. Then I asked why did JESUS CHRIST MATERIALIZE into what can be SEEN if the HEAVENLY BODY is still ABSENT while STILL on EARTH? But your response to the question is addressed above already. CAPTIVATOR: He needs to be In heaven to appear in his heavenly body. The word " earthly ' and " heavenly " indicate two different dimensions. Achorladey: When did JESUS GET THAT HEAVENLY BODY. is it when JESUS CHRIST got back to HEAVEN or when HE WAS RESURRECTED? Funny aspect to what you typed above will mean those that will SEE JESUS CHRIST must also ASCEND to HEAVEN, have HEAVENLY BODIES like him in order to do so abi? Hahahahahaha. I was wondering what Stephen saw while on earth before his death? Did Stephen have HEAVENLY BODY before he saw the SON of MAN, did he ASCEND to HEAVEN to do so? CAPTIVATOR: When scripture calls him heavenly one. He belongs to the heavens Achorladey: WHEN JESUS came to earth from where did JESUS CHRIST come from? HEAVEN. Since you know HE BELONGS to the HEAVENS, Is there anything STOPPING CHRIST the HEAVENLY ONE from REIGNING with those he made KINGS and PRIEST ON THE EARTH? |
| Re: How To Get Jehovah's Witnesses To Listen by achorladey: 10:01pm On May 14, 2019 |
CAPTIVATOR:
Even those who pierced him would see him . of course those Roman soldiers are still alive.
No enlightenment for you.
You saw " Great Glory " . didn't you ? Just remain like that!
Where is Christ seated ? Where is his throne ?
According to the above scripture ... Was he seated on earth or heavenly places ?
In the system of things to come, where will Christ be seated as King ?
Christ is seated in the heavenly places, where is his right hand and left hand sits located ?
All are seated in the heavenly places. Read my earlier responses
That's Christ alone.
But for other co rulers , they shall RULE with him over the earth. only those on earth are their own subjects .
Christ and those he made King and Priest are heavenly. That's where THEY are SEATED
Cut out of where ?
You are clueless , does this not further proved that Gods kingdom Ruled from heaven over the earth ?
Not heavenly. If he was heavenly he won't be seen
Present your evidence that he is already in heaven?
That doesn't change the fact that those on earth are subjects. Not kings
For his co rulers, seated in the heavenly places, the earth is made subject to them .
How exactly does this make Christ earthly , are his armies Earthly ?
Christ is seated at where ?
He isn't heavenly . that doesn't make him earthly either because his flesh is materialized like the angels in the past.
To be a true earthly one, you must be born by a woman as flesh and blood. He has gotten past that phase. CAPTIVATOR: Even those who pierced him would see him. of course those Roman soldiers are still alive. Achorladey: Revelation 1:6... Look! He is coming with the clouds, and EVERY EYE WILL SEE HIM, and those who PIERCED HIM; and all the TRIBES of the EARTH will beat themselves in grief because of him. Yes, Amen It states EVERY EYE WILL SEE HIM. I am not the writer of Revelation, and since the EYES of those who PIERCED HIM is included that's not a PROBLEM of MINE the LORD him said it in Matthew 24:30 Then the sign of the Son of man will appear in heaven, and all the tribes of the earth will beat themselves in grief, AND THEY WILL SEE the SON OF MAN coming on the clouds of heaven with POWER and GREAT GLORY. since the Lord states clearly those that PIERCED HIM will SEE him who are my to OVERTURN it. You still remember this part from my previous post..... Here it is again......... CAPTIVATOR: It said Jesus entered with the cloud of heaven . HE IS HEAVENLY. not human oh u think in your mind after coming before the ancient of days, he will go to earth to rule ? stark ignorance. Achorladey: Let me rephrase the above....... It is said They will SEE the SON of MAN ARRIVING on the CLOUDS of HEAVEN with power and GREAT GLORY. He is indeed HEAVENLY not HUMAN. Oh u think in your mind after going back into the heaven before the ancient of days, he cannot come back to earth to rule? STARK IGNORANCE indeed. Hahahahaha. CAPTIVATOR: No enlightenment for you. Achorladey: Oga CAPTIVATOR leave enlightenment alone, let ENLIGHTENMENT enjoy the life. CAPTIVATOR: You saw " Great Glory " . didn't you ? Just remain like that! Achorladey: I saw it BECAUSE I cited that scripture and have repeated it again here in this post. So? Perhaps you will need to consult the post before this one. CAPTIVATOR: Where is Christ seated? Where is his throne? According to the above scripture ... Was he seated on earth or heavenly places ? In the system of things to come, where will Christ be seated as King? Achorladey: Emphasis here on the AUTHORITY JESUS now HAS. Even before he was RESURRECTED back into HEAVEN and SEATED there, Matthew 28:18 said WHAT? Matthew 28:18 Jesus approached and spoke to them, saying: “ALL AUTHORITY has been GIVEN me in HEAVEN and on the EARTH. Equally telling you all things are made SUBJECT under his feet. He was still on EARTH when he said THIS ooooooo. Abi was he ALREADY seated in HEAVENLY places when he said the above? Hahahahaha. CAPTIVATOR: Christ is seated in the heavenly places, where is his right hand and left hand sits located? Achorladey: Emphasis here on the AUTHORITY JESUS now HAS. Even before he was RESURRECTED back into HEAVEN and SEATED there, Matthew 28:18 said WHAT? Matthew 28:18 Jesus approached and spoke to them, saying: “ALL AUTHORITY has been GIVEN me in HEAVEN and on the EARTH. Equally telling you all things are made SUBJECT under his feet. He was still on EARTH when he said THIS ooooooo. Abi was he ALREADY seated in HEAVENLY places when he said the above? Hahahahaha. Now the below...... Ephesians 2: 5 MADE us alive together with the Christ, even when we were dead in trespasses—by undeserved kindness you have BEEN SAVED. 6 Moreover, he RAISED us up TOGETHER and SEATED us together in the HEAVENLY PLACES in union with Christ Jesus, 7 so that in the coming SYSTEMS of THINGS he might demonstrate the surpassing riches of his undeserved kindness in his graciousness toward us in union with Christ Jesus. When Paul was writing this, WAS HE SEATED already in HEAVENLY PLACES ? Are you among THOSE Paul is REFERRING to HERE? Does Paul have the HEAVENLY BODY as at THEN. Are you CAPTIVATOR seated in HEAVENLY PLACES PLACES now? CAPTIVATOR: All are seated in the heavenly places. Read my earlier responses. Achorladey: You have my response on the above, hope you get to understand it along with numerous other ones all over the thread. CAPTIVATOR: That's Christ alone. Achorladey: In that part of my post I am making a case for CHRIST ALONE. So? CAPTIVATOR: But for other co rulers , they shall RULE with him over the earth. only those on earth are their own subjects. Achorladey: Revelation 5:10 You have appointed them as a kingdom and priests to serve our God, and they will REIGN ON THE EARTH.” CAPTIVATOR: Christ and those he made King and Priest are heavenly. That's where THEY are SEATED Achorladey: Revelation 5:10 You have appointed them as a kingdom and priests to serve our God, and they will REIGN ON THE EARTH.” The reason for the question Is there anything STOPPING CHRIST the HEAVENLY ONE from REIGNING with those he made KINGS and PRIEST ON THE EARTH? CAPTIVATOR: Cut out of where? Achorladey: Did you see ANYTHING relating to WHERE in the SCRIPTURE CITED? CAPTIVATOR: You are clueless , does this not further proved that Gods kingdom Ruled from heaven over the earth? Achorladey: Clueless detective, did you see FROM in the SCRIPTURE cited? CAPTIVATOR: Not heavenly. Achorladey: meaning he had MATERIALIZED when he stated what is recorded in that account. So why did he MATERIALIZED since he has no HEAVENLY BODY as at THEN. CAPTIVATOR: If he was heavenly he won't be seen Achorladey: So what did the DISCIPLE SAW? and what did that tell you about his BODY. CAPTIVATOR: Present your evidence that he is already in heaven? Achorladey: After repeatedly stating that when he was RESURRECTED he didn't return to HEAVEN but appeared to numerous people. Oga CAPTIVATOR go back and read my post on that. CAPTIVATOR: That doesn't change the fact that THOSE on earth are subjects. Not kings Achorladey: Who are the THOSE here? CAPTIVATOR: For his co rulers, seated in the HEAVENLY PLACES, the earth is made subject to them. Achorladey: You have my response on this already above. CAPTIVATOR: How exactly does this make Christ earthly, Achorladey: Did you see me state there that CHRIST is EARTHLY? Or try to prove that Christ is EARTHLY there? CAPTIVATOR: are his armies Earthly? Achorladey: Are Christ enemies HEAVENLY? CAPTIVATOR: Christ is seated at where? Achorladey: Emphasis here on the AUTHORITY JESUS now HAS. Even before he was RESURRECTED back into HEAVEN and SEATED there, Matthew 28:18 said WHAT? Matthew 28:18 Jesus approached and spoke to them, saying: “ALL AUTHORITY has been GIVEN me in HEAVEN and on the EARTH. Equally telling you all things are made SUBJECT under his feet. He was still on EARTH when he said THIS ooooooo. Abi was he ALREADY seated in HEAVENLY places when he said the above? Hahahahaha. CAPTIVATOR: He isn't heavenly . that doesn't make him earthly either because his flesh is MATERIALIZED like the ANGELS in the PAST. Achorladey: what I need here is the word MATERIALIZED. Why did Jesus Christ Materialize just like the ANGELS? What body do ANGELS have that made them need to MATERIALIZE? Earthly or Heavenly? CAPTIVATOR: To be a true earthly one, you must be born by a woman as flesh and blood. He has gotten past that phase. Achorladey: I have told you it can only be from your mind if you feel I BELIEVE Christ need to enter the womb of MARY again to become FLESH and BONE. Na your palaver. I asked earlier before Jesus appeared to those that saw him after his resurrection DID HE ENTER MARY'S WOMB to do so? What does that tell you? |
| Re: How To Get Jehovah's Witnesses To Listen by johnw47: 11:43pm On May 14, 2019 |
Maximus69:
blinded false jw winky max Joh 10:30 I and my Father are one. Joh 10:31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him. Joh 10:32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me? Joh 10:33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God. Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2Co_4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them. Joh 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. |
| Re: How To Get Jehovah's Witnesses To Listen by Nobody: 8:23am On May 15, 2019 |
johnw47:
blinded false jw winky max
Joh 10:30 I and my Father are one.
Joh 10:31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.
Joh 10:32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?
Joh 10:33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2Co_4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
Joh 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
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| Re: How To Get Jehovah's Witnesses To Listen by johnw47: 11:20am On May 15, 2019 |
Maximus69:
blinded false jw winky max Joh 20:28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God. Mat 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us. Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. |
| Re: How To Get Jehovah's Witnesses To Listen by rottennaija(m): 8:23pm On May 15, 2019 |
CAPTIVATOR Maximus69
Jehovah rules in heaven and this throne is in heaven. Does he have heavenly subjects? |
| Re: How To Get Jehovah's Witnesses To Listen by Nobody: 8:26pm On May 15, 2019 |
rottennaija:
CAPTIVATOR Maximus69
Jehovah rules in heaven and this throne is in heaven. Does he have heavenly subjects? Daniel 7:9-10! |
| Re: How To Get Jehovah's Witnesses To Listen by rottennaija(m): 9:29pm On May 15, 2019 |
Maximus69:
Daniel 7:9-10! I'm guessing that will be yes? |
| Re: How To Get Jehovah's Witnesses To Listen by johnw47: 11:37pm On May 15, 2019 |
Maximus69:
blinded false jw winky max Jesus is JehovahJehovah Deu 10:17 For the LORD your God is God of gods, and Lord of lords, a great God, a mighty, and a terrible, which regardeth not persons, nor taketh reward: Jesus Rev 17:14 These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful. Incidentally, see at Deut 17:14 God is referred to as a mighty God, and we know that God is also referred to as Almighty God, they are not two gods, a mighty god jesus and a almighty god the father as false jw believe. God is one, not two gods, oh duh duh |
| Re: How To Get Jehovah's Witnesses To Listen by Janosky: 2:15am On May 17, 2019 |
johnw47:
blinded false jw winky max
Jesus is Jehovah
Jehovah
Deu 10:17 For the LORD your God is God of gods, and Lord of lords, a great God, a mighty, and a terrible, which regardeth not persons, nor taketh reward:
Jesus
Rev 17:14 These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.
Incidentally, see at Deut 17:14 God is referred to as a mighty God, and we know that God is also referred to as Almighty God, they are not two gods, a mighty god jesus and a almighty god the father as false jw believe.
God is one, not two gods, oh duh duh
John lying Pharisee sounding like a broken record. Men are mighty God too (Ps 82:1 ,6) Jesus Christ is NOT and NEVER the Almighty God. Jesus is son of God, Adam is, angels are too. (John1:49 Job38:7). Jehovah is the only true God, so says Jesus Christ (John 17:3). You can't worship some one Higher than you (John14:28) and you still claim to be that person you worship (John 20:17,30,31. 5:26, Phi2:9,10). Christ received authority from his God and Father, yet you LIED he is God himself. Your sense dey your an.u.s , that's so obvious for sure. |
| Re: How To Get Jehovah's Witnesses To Listen by johnw47: 2:47am On May 17, 2019 |
Janosky:
John lying Pharisee sounding like a broken record.
Men are mighty God too (Ps 82:1 ,6)
Jesus Christ is NOT and NEVER the Almighty God.
Jesus is son of God, Adam is, angels are too. (John1:49
Job38:7).
Jehovah is the only true God, so says Jesus Christ (John 17:3).
You can't worship some one Higher than you (John14:28) and you still claim to be that person you worship (John 20:17,30,31. 5:26, Phi2:9,10). blinded confused lying pharisee deceiver false jw Janosky/OneJ of course you don't believe God and make Him out to be a liar: johnw47:
blinded false jw winky max
Jesus is Jehovah
Jehovah
Deu 10:17 For the LORD your God is God of gods, and Lord of lords, a great God, a mighty, and a terrible, which regardeth not persons, nor taketh reward:
Jesus
Rev 17:14 These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.
Incidentally, see at Deut 17:14 God is referred to as a mighty God, and we know that God is also referred to as Almighty God, they are not two gods, a mighty god jesus and a almighty god the father as false jw believe.
God is one, not two gods, oh duh duh
Janosky:
Christ received authority from his God and Father, yet you LIED he is God himself. oh duh duh duh know nothing false jw of course Jesus is God Himself, take a look again at just some of the recent scriptures i posted: https://www.nairaland.com/5112109/how-get-jehovahs-witnesses-listen/33#78407891https://www.nairaland.com/5112109/how-get-jehovahs-witnesses-listen/33#78397132https://www.nairaland.com/5112109/how-get-jehovahs-witnesses-listen/33#78350029 and then again reject them making God our to be a liar oh evil son of your daddy the devil Janosky:
Your sense dey your an.u.s , that's so obvious for sure.
sewer mouth false jw Janosky/OneJ showing the spirit in you, speaking the foul language of your daddy, of course: Joh 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. |
| Re: How To Get Jehovah's Witnesses To Listen by johnw47: 4:09am On May 17, 2019 |
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| Re: How To Get Jehovah's Witnesses To Listen by johnw47: 4:53am On May 17, 2019 |
Janosky:
John lying Pharisee sounding like a broken record.
Men are mighty God too (Ps 82:1 ,6) ha ha know nothing lying pharisee deceiver false jw Janosky/OneJ truly men are not mighty God, they are called in those verses "gods" there are many gods but only one true God not two gods or more as you false jw's believe such a duh, laughing Psa 82:1 A Psalm of Asaph. God standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the gods. Psa 82:6 I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High. Janosky:
Jesus Christ is NOT and NEVER the Almighty God.
Jesus is son of God, Adam is, angels are too. (John1:49
Job38:7). truly vacumn for brains, Jesus Christ is God: Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. plus many more, just ask and truly bearer of false witness, God is called Mighty God and God is called Almighty God, not two god's, just one God, laugh Janosky:
Jehovah is the only true God, so says Jesus Christ (John 17:3). and of course Jesus Christ was right, Jehovah is the only true God, and Jehovah is Father and Son, john 1:1 + not the two or more gods that you keep talking about oh confused sieve for a brain Janosky:
You can't worship some one Higher than you
(John14:28) and you still claim to be that person you worship (John 20:17,30,31. 5:26, Phi2:9,10). laughing, oh so confused false jw the Son doesn't claim to be the Father the Son and the Father is God, as many scriptures show and like you reject, making God out to be a liar Janosky:
Christ received authority from his God and Father, yet you LIED he is God himself.
Your sense dey your an.u.s , that's so obvious for sure.
Jesus is God Himself oh manure brain, ask for the scriptures i'm happy to keep posting them  |
| Re: How To Get Jehovah's Witnesses To Listen by johnw47: 10:07am On May 17, 2019 |
Janosky:
John lying Pharisee sounding like a broken record.
lying pharisee deceiver false jw Janosky/OneJ i love repeating the truth and verses from God's word which you hate whereas you say the same things and post the same verses over and over again which have been explained to you more than once, but you in your confusion you do not understand or know anything Janosky/OneJ confused know nothing mumu brain with sewer mouth |
| Re: How To Get Jehovah's Witnesses To Listen by Janosky: 10:39am On May 17, 2019 |
johnw47:
i love repeating the truth and verses from God's word which you hate
whereas you say the same things and post the same verses over and over again which have been explained to you
more than once, but you in your confusion you do not understand or know anything
You and your father is one entity because you have lost your sense. Johnw lying pharisee mumu is a non contagious chronic infection. Lol. |
| Re: How To Get Jehovah's Witnesses To Listen by CAPTIVATOR: 10:56pm On May 17, 2019 |
Just seeing this, would respond soon. achorladey:
CAPTIVATOR:Fixed!
Achorladey: You didn't fix anything rather you have just proved that indeed there is nothing stopping Christ from ruling with those he made KINGS and PRIEST ON THE EARTH.
Why did I say so, this is your second response to my post below........
CAPTIVATOR: He was ressurected as a SPIRIT. But a SPIRIT can APPEAR in an EARTHLY BODY. That doesn't make what is seen HEAVENLY.
Achorladey: If you had been patient with yourself when responding you will understand the point being made. Hahahahaha.
Here it is again according to CAPTIVATOR......He was RESURRECTED as a SPIRIT but a SPIRIT can APPEAR in an EARTHLY BODY.
So WHAT BODY was that spirit IN before it can appear in EARTHLY BODY?
and as at THEN has JESUS CHRIST returned back to HEAVEN?
CAPTIVATOR: He was ressurected as a Spirit. But a Spirit can appear in an earthly body. That doesn't make what is seen heavenly.
Achorladey: The response to my question below is what you typed above.
So why did JESUS CHRIST had to MATERIALIZED into FLESH and BONES if he was not resurrected in SPIRIT and didn't had the HEAVENLY BODY as at THEN?
Does your response not give you AWAY that before Christ ascend to HEAVEN he already has the HEAVENLY BODY. Hahahahaha.
After all you agreed he was resurrected in SPIRIT. It's open knowledge that GOD is a SPIRIT. I am wondering what difference you are trying to sort here?
CAPTIVATOR: Glory is all you saw, it would have helped you to check that John 17:5 and see the exact Glory been talked about.
Achorladey: I checked Oga CAPTIVATOR here is it as cited by you below
CAPTIVATOR: John 17:5
So now Father, glorify me at your side with the GLORY I HAD ALONGSIDE you before the world was At your side. Heavenly.
Achorladey: That's a confirmation that I saw what is cited in John 17:5
CAPTIVATOR: The above glory isnt earthly, you can revisit what happen to Paul on the way to Damascus
Achorladey: Sure I will
CAPTIVATOR: I could not see anything because of the glory of that light"
Achorladey: Acts 22:9-11
Now the men who were with me DID SEE the LIGHT, but they did NOT HEAR the VOICE of the one speaking to me. 10 At that I said: ‘What should I do, Lord?’ The Lord said to me: ‘Rise, go into Damascus, and there you will be told about everything it is appointed for you to do.’ 11 But since I could not see anything because of the GLORY of THAT LIGHT, I arrived in Damascus led by the hand of those who were with me.
That's WHAT happened to Paul on his way to Damascus, PAUL did not see ANYTHING because of the GLORY of that LIGHT yet THOSE WITH HIM SAW IT. So?
Perhaps you might now go and take a look below concerning WHAT HAPPENED TO STEPHEN.
Acts 7 : 54-57
Well, at hearing these things, they were infuriated in their hearts and began to grind their teeth at him. 55 But he, being full of holy spirit, gazed into HEAVEN and caught SIGHT of GOD’S GLORY and of JESUS STANDING at GOD’S RIGHT HAND, 56 and he said: “Look! I see the heavens opened up and the SON of MAN STANDING at God’s RIGHT HAND.”
Did STEPHEN see JESUS GLORY? Did STEPHEN ASCEND to HEAVEN and see JESUS CHRIST in HIS HEAVENLY GLORY? DID STEPHEN saw CHRIST HEAVENLY BODY?
John 1:8,9.......He was not that light , but he was meant to bear witness about that LIGHT. 9 The true LIGHT that gives LIGHT to every sort of man was about to COME into THE WORLD.
John 1: 14......
So the Word became flesh and resided among us, and we had a VIEW of HIS GLORY, a GLORY such as BELONGS to an only-begotten SON from a FATHER; and he was full of DIVINE FAVOR and TRUTH
CAPTIVATOR: Jesus dwells in APPROACHABLE LIGHT.
Achorladey: You mean to type UNAPPROACHABLE LIGHT isn't it?
Here is 1 Timothy 6:14-16
14 to observe the commandment in a spotless and irreprehensible way until the MANIFESTATION of OUR Lord JESUS CHRIST, 15 which the happy and only Potentate will SHOW in its OWN APPOINTED TIMES. He is the King of those who rule as kings and Lord of those who rule as lords, 16 the one alone having immortality, who dwells in UNAPPROACHABLE LIGHT, whom no MAN has SEEN or can SEE. To him be honor and eternal might. Amen.
Concerning this your UNAPPROACHABLE LIGHT palaver, are we still TALKING about JESUS CHRIST here or not?
Why did I say so, the JW THEOLOGY has an interesting EXPLANATION to the scripture you have cited. You might want to DELVE into it before I bring it up.
CAPTIVATOR: everything in your write up point to JESUS APPEARING in an earthly body.
Achorladey: Jesus was resurrected in SPIRIT. The bible states so, You said he MATERIALIZED in order to be SEEN. Then I asked why did JESUS CHRIST MATERIALIZE into what can be SEEN if the HEAVENLY BODY is still ABSENT while STILL on EARTH?
But your response to the question is addressed above already.
CAPTIVATOR: He needs to be In heaven to appear in his heavenly body. The word " earthly ' and " heavenly " indicate two different dimensions.
Achorladey: When did JESUS GET THAT HEAVENLY BODY. is it when JESUS CHRIST got back to HEAVEN or when HE WAS RESURRECTED?
Funny aspect to what you typed above will mean those that will SEE JESUS CHRIST must also ASCEND to HEAVEN, have HEAVENLY BODIES like him in order to do so abi? Hahahahahaha.
I was wondering what Stephen saw while on earth before his death? Did Stephen have HEAVENLY BODY before he saw the SON of MAN, did he ASCEND to HEAVEN to do so?
CAPTIVATOR: When scripture calls him heavenly one. He belongs to the heavens
Achorladey: WHEN JESUS came to earth from where did JESUS CHRIST come from? HEAVEN.
Since you know HE BELONGS to the HEAVENS,
Is there anything STOPPING CHRIST the HEAVENLY ONE from REIGNING with those he made KINGS and PRIEST ON THE EARTH?
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| Re: How To Get Jehovah's Witnesses To Listen by CAPTIVATOR: 11:14pm On May 17, 2019 |
achorladey:
CAPTIVATOR:Fixed!
Achorladey: You didn't fix anything rather you have just proved that indeed there is nothing stopping Christ from ruling with those he made KINGS and PRIEST ON THE EARTH.
Why did I say so, this is your second response to my post below........
CAPTIVATOR: He was ressurected as a SPIRIT. But a SPIRIT can APPEAR in an EARTHLY BODY. That doesn't make what is seen HEAVENLY.
Achorladey: If you had been patient with yourself when responding you will understand the point being made. Hahahahaha.
Here it is again according to CAPTIVATOR......He was RESURRECTED as a SPIRIT but a SPIRIT can APPEAR in an EARTHLY BODY.
So WHAT BODY was that spirit IN before it can appear in EARTHLY BODY?
and as at THEN has JESUS CHRIST returned back to HEAVEN?
CAPTIVATOR: He was ressurected as a Spirit. But a Spirit can appear in an earthly body. That doesn't make what is seen heavenly.
Achorladey: The response to my question below is what you typed above.
So why did JESUS CHRIST had to MATERIALIZED into FLESH and BONES if he was not resurrected in SPIRIT and didn't had the HEAVENLY BODY as at THEN?
Does your response not give you AWAY that before Christ ascend to HEAVEN he already has the HEAVENLY BODY. Hahahahaha.
After all you agreed he was resurrected in SPIRIT. It's open knowledge that GOD is a SPIRIT. I am wondering what difference you are trying to sort here?
Earthly body. That's why he was seen ALL THROUGH the forty days . Act 1:3 It was when he ascend to heaven that he appeared in an heavenly body, evidenced by his post ressurection appearance to Paul . and since then no man can see h again because he now dwell in unapproachable light
CAPTIVATOR: Glory is all you saw, it would have helped you to check that John 17:5 and see the exact Glory been talked about.
Achorladey: I checked Oga CAPTIVATOR here is it as cited by you below
CAPTIVATOR: John 17:5
So now Father, glorify me at your side with the GLORY I HAD ALONGSIDE you before the world was At your side. Heavenly.
Achorladey: That's a confirmation that I saw what is cited in John 17:5
CAPTIVATOR: The above glory isnt earthly, you can revisit what happen to Paul on the way to Damascus
Achorladey: Sure I will
CAPTIVATOR: I could not see anything because of the glory of that light"
Achorladey: Acts 22:9-11
Now the men who were with me DID SEE the LIGHT, but they did NOT HEAR the VOICE of the one speaking to me. 10 At that I said: ‘What should I do, Lord?’ The Lord said to me: ‘Rise, go into Damascus, and there you will be told about everything it is appointed for you to do.’ 11 But since I could not see anything because of the GLORY of THAT LIGHT, I arrived in Damascus led by the hand of those who were with me.
That's WHAT happened to Paul on his way to Damascus, PAUL did not see ANYTHING because of the GLORY of that LIGHT yet THOSE WITH HIM SAW IT. So?
Perhaps you might now go and take a look below concerning WHAT HAPPENED TO STEPHEN.
The men saw light but Paul saw the Glory of the light. You probably miss one important information ACT 22:6 " ... Suddenly out of heaven a great light flashed ALL AROUND ME " The men were spectators  , the main person who beheld the glory was Paul . That's the heavenly Jesus. Dwells in unapproachable light
Acts 7 : 54-57
Well, at hearing these things, they were infuriated in their hearts and began to grind their teeth at him. 55 But he, being full of holy spirit, gazed into HEAVEN and caught SIGHT of GOD’S GLORY and of JESUS STANDING at GOD’S RIGHT HAND, 56 and he said: “Look! I see the heavens opened up and the SON of MAN STANDING at God’s RIGHT HAND.”
Did STEPHEN see JESUS GLORY? Did STEPHEN ASCEND to HEAVEN and see JESUS CHRIST in HIS HEAVENLY GLORY? DID STEPHEN saw CHRIST HEAVENLY BODY?
John 1:8,9.......He was not that light , but he was meant to bear witness about that LIGHT. 9 The true LIGHT that gives LIGHT to every sort of man was about to COME into THE WORLD.
John 1: 14......
So the Word became flesh and resided among us, and we had a VIEW of HIS GLORY, a GLORY such as BELONGS to an only-begotten SON from a FATHER; and he was full of DIVINE FAVOR and TRUTH
CAPTIVATOR: Jesus dwells in APPROACHABLE LIGHT.
Achorladey: You mean to type UNAPPROACHABLE LIGHT isn't it?
Here is 1 Timothy 6:14-16
14 to observe the commandment in a spotless and irreprehensible way until the MANIFESTATION of OUR Lord JESUS CHRIST, 15 which the happy and only Potentate will SHOW in its OWN APPOINTED TIMES. He is the King of those who rule as kings and Lord of those who rule as lords, 16 the one alone having immortality, who dwells in UNAPPROACHABLE LIGHT, whom no MAN has SEEN or can SEE. To him be honor and eternal might. Amen.
Concerning this your UNAPPROACHABLE LIGHT palaver, are we still TALKING about JESUS CHRIST here or not?
Why did I say so, the JW THEOLOGY has an interesting EXPLANATION to the scripture you have cited. You might want to DELVE into it before I bring it up.
CAPTIVATOR: everything in your write up point to JESUS APPEARING in an earthly body.
Achorladey: Jesus was resurrected in SPIRIT. The bible states so, You said he MATERIALIZED in order to be SEEN. Then I asked why did JESUS CHRIST MATERIALIZE into what can be SEEN if the HEAVENLY BODY is still ABSENT while STILL on EARTH?
But your response to the question is addressed above already.
CAPTIVATOR: He needs to be In heaven to appear in his heavenly body. The word " earthly ' and " heavenly " indicate two different dimensions.
Achorladey: When did JESUS GET THAT HEAVENLY BODY. is it when JESUS CHRIST got back to HEAVEN or when HE WAS RESURRECTED?
Funny aspect to what you typed above will mean those that will SEE JESUS CHRIST must also ASCEND to HEAVEN, have HEAVENLY BODIES like him in order to do so abi? Hahahahahaha.
I was wondering what Stephen saw while on earth before his death? Did Stephen have HEAVENLY BODY before he saw the SON of MAN, did he ASCEND to HEAVEN to do so?
CAPTIVATOR: When scripture calls him heavenly one. He belongs to the heavens
Achorladey: WHEN JESUS came to earth from where did JESUS CHRIST come from? HEAVEN.
Since you know HE BELONGS to the HEAVENS,
Is there anything STOPPING CHRIST the HEAVENLY ONE from REIGNING with those he made KINGS and PRIEST ON THE EARTH?
Calm down , Stephen only saw a vision. A vision is totally different from reality . |
| Re: How To Get Jehovah's Witnesses To Listen by CAPTIVATOR: 11:40pm On May 17, 2019 |
achorladey:
CAPTIVATOR: Even those who pierced him would see him. of course those Roman soldiers are still alive.
Achorladey: Revelation 1:6...
Look! He is coming with the clouds, and EVERY EYE WILL SEE HIM, and those who PIERCED HIM; and all the TRIBES of the EARTH will beat themselves in grief because of him. Yes, Amen
It states EVERY EYE WILL SEE HIM. I am not the writer of Revelation, and since the EYES of those who PIERCED HIM is included that's not a PROBLEM of MINE the LORD him said it in
Matthew 24:30
Then the sign of the Son of man will appear in heaven, and all the tribes of the earth will beat themselves in grief, AND THEY WILL SEE the SON OF MAN coming on the clouds of heaven with POWER and GREAT GLORY.
since the Lord states clearly those that PIERCED HIM will SEE him who are my to OVERTURN it.
You still remember this part from my previous post.....
Here it is again.........
CAPTIVATOR: It said Jesus entered with the cloud of heaven . HE IS HEAVENLY. not human
oh u think in your mind after coming before the ancient of days, he will go to earth to rule ?
stark ignorance.
Achorladey: Let me rephrase the above.......
It is said They will SEE the SON of MAN ARRIVING on the CLOUDS of HEAVEN with power and GREAT GLORY. He is indeed HEAVENLY not HUMAN.
Oh u think in your mind after going back into the heaven before the ancient of days, he cannot come back to earth to rule?
STARK IGNORANCE indeed.
Hahahahaha.
CAPTIVATOR: No enlightenment for you.
Achorladey: Oga CAPTIVATOR leave enlightenment alone, let ENLIGHTENMENT enjoy the life.
The Lord lied ? those men are dead and rotten in the dust of the earth . so how could that be ? Confused literalist .
CAPTIVATOR: You saw " Great Glory " . didn't you ? Just remain like that!
Achorladey: I saw it BECAUSE I cited that scripture and have repeated it again here in this post. So? Perhaps you will need to consult the post before this one.
CAPTIVATOR: Where is Christ seated? Where is his throne?
According to the above scripture ... Was he seated on earth or heavenly places ?
In the system of things to come, where will Christ be seated as King?
Achorladey: Emphasis here on the AUTHORITY JESUS now HAS. Even before he was RESURRECTED back into HEAVEN and SEATED there, Matthew 28:18 said WHAT?
Matthew 28:18 Jesus approached and spoke to them, saying: “ALL AUTHORITY has been GIVEN me in HEAVEN and on the EARTH. Equally telling you all things are made SUBJECT under his feet.
He was still on EARTH when he said THIS ooooooo.
The same Jesus said it is finished, but a good Bible student knew that statement itself doesn't mean the ransom was paid immediately but it only an assurance of things to come , when he would appear before the Father in the heavens to obtain deliverance for adamic mankind Same thing with his statement about been giving authority, that occurs when he returned to heaven, Study Daniel 7:13,14 very well and read 1Pet 3:22 .
1Pet 3:22 " He is at Gods right hand, [b] for he went to heaven, and angels AND AUTHORITIES and powers were made subject to him " That occurred when he got to heaven. [s]
Abi was he ALREADY seated in HEAVENLY places when he said the above? Hahahahaha.
CAPTIVATOR: Christ is seated in the heavenly places, where is his right hand and left hand sits located?
Achorladey: Emphasis here on the AUTHORITY JESUS now HAS. Even before he was RESURRECTED back into HEAVEN and SEATED there, Matthew 28:18 said WHAT?
Matthew 28:18 Jesus approached and spoke to them, saying: “ALL AUTHORITY has been GIVEN me in HEAVEN and on the EARTH. Equally telling you all things are made SUBJECT under his feet.
He was still on EARTH when he said THIS ooooooo.
Abi was he ALREADY seated in HEAVENLY places when he said the above? Hahahahaha.
Now the below...... [/s]
Christ is seated in the heavenly places now and in the Coming system of things U can't change this sorry
Ephesians 2: 5 MADE us alive together with the Christ, even when we were dead in trespasses—by undeserved kindness you have BEEN SAVED. 6 Moreover, he RAISED us up TOGETHER and SEATED us together in the HEAVENLY PLACES in union with Christ Jesus, 7 so that in the coming SYSTEMS of THINGS he might demonstrate the surpassing riches of his undeserved kindness in his graciousness toward us in union with Christ Jesus.
When Paul was writing this, WAS HE SEATED already in HEAVENLY PLACES ? Are you among THOSE Paul is REFERRING to HERE? Does Paul have the HEAVENLY BODY as at THEN. Are you CAPTIVATOR seated in HEAVENLY PLACES PLACES now?
CAPTIVATOR: All are seated in the heavenly places. Read my earlier responses.
Achorladey: You have my response on the above, hope you get to understand it along with numerous other ones all over the thread.
Thank you!!! This proved Christ and his co rulers would all be in heaven. Paul was speaking of something that's certain to occur ! Let me illustrate, the Bible said Christ the lamb has been slained since the founding of the world . it speaks as though it has happened whereas Christ wasn't slained until 33CE . why that language in past tense ? From God's view the ransom is paid already . though it hasn't manifested physically Same here, No wonder Paul adds " so that IN THE COMING SYSTEM OF THINGS he might demonstrate the surpassing riches of his undeserved kindness In his graciousness toward us in UNION WITH Christ Jesus " So both Jesus and his co rulers would seat in the heavenly places [s]
CAPTIVATOR: That's Christ alone.
Achorladey: In that part of my post I am making a case for CHRIST ALONE. So?
CAPTIVATOR: But for other co rulers , they shall RULE with him over the earth. only those on earth are their own subjects.
Achorladey: Revelation 5:10
You have appointed them as a kingdom and priests to serve our God, and they will REIGN ON THE EARTH.”
CAPTIVATOR: Christ and those he made King and Priest are heavenly. That's where THEY are SEATED
Achorladey: Revelation 5:10
You have appointed them as a kingdom and priests to serve our God, and they will REIGN ON THE EARTH.”
The reason for the question
Is there anything STOPPING CHRIST the HEAVENLY ONE from REIGNING with those he made KINGS and PRIEST ON THE EARTH?
CAPTIVATOR: Cut out of where?
Achorladey: Did you see ANYTHING relating to WHERE in the SCRIPTURE CITED?
CAPTIVATOR: You are clueless , does this not further proved that Gods kingdom Ruled from heaven over the earth?
Achorladey: Clueless detective, did you see FROM in the SCRIPTURE cited?
CAPTIVATOR: Not heavenly.
Achorladey: meaning he had MATERIALIZED when he stated what is recorded in that account. So why did he MATERIALIZED since he has no HEAVENLY BODY as at THEN.
CAPTIVATOR: If he was heavenly he won't be seen
Achorladey: So what did the DISCIPLE SAW? and what did that tell you about his BODY.
CAPTIVATOR: Present your evidence that he is already in heaven?
Achorladey: After repeatedly stating that when he was RESURRECTED he didn't return to HEAVEN but appeared to numerous people. Oga CAPTIVATOR go back and read my post on that.
CAPTIVATOR: That doesn't change the fact that THOSE on earth are subjects. Not kings
Achorladey: Who are the THOSE here?
CAPTIVATOR: For his co rulers, seated in the HEAVENLY PLACES, the earth is made subject to them.
Achorladey: You have my response on this already above.
CAPTIVATOR: How exactly does this make Christ earthly,
Achorladey: Did you see me state there that CHRIST is EARTHLY? Or try to prove that Christ is EARTHLY there?
CAPTIVATOR: are his armies Earthly?
Achorladey: Are Christ enemies HEAVENLY?
CAPTIVATOR: Christ is seated at where?
Achorladey: Emphasis here on the AUTHORITY JESUS now HAS. Even before he was RESURRECTED back into HEAVEN and SEATED there, Matthew 28:18 said WHAT?
Matthew 28:18 Jesus approached and spoke to them, saying: “ALL AUTHORITY has been GIVEN me in HEAVEN and on the EARTH. Equally telling you all things are made SUBJECT under his feet.
He was still on EARTH when he said THIS ooooooo.
Abi was he ALREADY seated in HEAVENLY places when he said the above? Hahahahaha.
CAPTIVATOR: He isn't heavenly . that doesn't make him earthly either because his flesh is MATERIALIZED like the ANGELS in the PAST.
Achorladey: what I need here is the word MATERIALIZED. Why did Jesus Christ Materialize just like the ANGELS? What body do ANGELS have that made them need to MATERIALIZE? Earthly or Heavenly?
CAPTIVATOR: To be a true earthly one, you must be born by a woman as flesh and blood. He has gotten past that phase.
Achorladey: I have told you it can only be from your mind if you feel I BELIEVE Christ need to enter the womb of MARY again to become FLESH and BONE.
Na your palaver.
I asked earlier before Jesus appeared to those that saw him after his resurrection DID HE ENTER MARY'S WOMB to do so? What does that tell you?
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| Re: How To Get Jehovah's Witnesses To Listen by johnw47: 12:18am On May 18, 2019 |
Janosky:
You and your father is one entity because you have lost your sense.
Johnw lying pharisee mumu is a non contagious chronic infection.
Lol.
lying pharisee deceiver, confused know nothing, blinded false jw Janosky/OneJ me and my father are two persons, we are both human Father and the Word are two persons, they are both God: Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. mumu brain sewer mouth false jw Janosky/OneJ you hate God and His word and believe fools like your self Pro_10:14 The wise lay up knowledge, and the mouth of a fool is near ruin. Pro_13:16 Every prudent one dealeth with knowledge, And a fool spreadeth out folly. Pro_26:11 As a dog hath returned to its vomit, A fool is repeating his folly. 2Co_4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them. Joh_8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. |
| Re: How To Get Jehovah's Witnesses To Listen by achorladey: 12:27am On May 18, 2019 |
CAPTIVATOR:
Earthly body.
That's why he was seen ALL THROUGH the forty days . Act 1:3
It was when he ascend to heaven that he appeared in an heavenly body, evidenced by his post ressurection appearance to Paul . and since then no man can see h again because he now dwell in unapproachable light
The men saw light but Paul saw the Glory of the light.
You probably miss one important information
ACT 22:6 " ... Suddenly out of heaven a great light flashed ALL AROUND ME "
The men were spectators , the main person who beheld the glory was Paul .
That's the heavenly Jesus. Dwells in unapproachable light
Calm down , Stephen only saw a vision. A vision is totally different from reality . CAPTIVATOR: Earthly body. Achorladey: You make me laugh, that SPIRIT was in EARTHLY BODY, so why did it need to materialize in order to be seen since its already in EARTHLY BODY? CAPTIVATOR: That's why he was seen ALL THROUGH the forty days. Act 1:3 Achorladey: Did the Jesus materialize in order to be seen or not. After all you agreed he was resurrected in spirit. Did Jesus materialize? If JESUS indeed materialize. Is it from earthly body to earthly body or what? CAPTIVATOR: It was when he ascend to heaven that he appeared in an heavenly body, Achorladey: My problem is not about appearing or not appearing in an HEAVENLY BODY. My discussion with you is WHEN did he get the HEAVENLY BODY? Right here on earth after resurrection or when he got back to HEAVEN? CAPTIVATOR: evidenced by his post ressurection appearance to Paul . and since then no man can see him again because he now dwell in unapproachable light. Achorladey: What appearance did Paul see oooo. Matthew 24:30 Then the sign of the Son of man will appear in heaven, and all the tribes of the earth will beat themselves in grief, and they WILL SEE THE SON of MAN coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. Will human see the SON of MAN again? It's the words of JESUS CHRIST not mine. Note you have not addressed the UNAPPROACHABLE palaver. Are we still talking about JESUS CHRIST? CAPTIVATOR: The men saw light but Paul saw the Glory of the light. Achorladey: E get as e be oooo. CAPTIVATOR: You probably miss one important information ACT 22:6 ... Suddenly out of heaven a great light flashed ALL AROUND ME The men were spectators , the main person who beheld the glory was Paul. Achorladey: You are the one that made them SPECTATORS abi? No wonder you said they see the LIGHT and NOT the GLORY. As if the light they saw have absent glory in it or Paul mentioned the version they saw has absent glory in it. CAPTIVATOR: That's the heavenly Jesus. Dwells in unapproachable light. Achorladey: Is your Timothy cited about JESUS CHRIST? CAPTIVATOR: Calm down , Stephen only saw a vision. A VISION is totally different from REALITY. Did Stephen saw the Glory of Jesus Christ or not in the VISION? Did he had to go to heaven to do so? Was Stephen in an HEAVENLY BODY in heaven to do so? |
| Re: How To Get Jehovah's Witnesses To Listen by CAPTIVATOR: 12:39am On May 18, 2019 |
achorladey:
CAPTIVATOR: Earthly body.
Achorladey: You make me laugh, that SPIRIT was in EARTHLY BODY, so why did it need to materialize in order to be seen since its already in EARTHLY BODY?
CAPTIVATOR: That's why he was seen ALL THROUGH the forty days. Act 1:3
Achorladey: Did the Jesus materialize in order to be seen or not. After all you agreed he was resurrected in spirit. Did Jesus materialize? If JESUS indeed materialize. Is it from earthly body to earthly body or what?
CAPTIVATOR: It was when he ascend to heaven that he appeared in an heavenly body,
Achorladey: My problem is not about appearing or not appearing in an HEAVENLY BODY.
My discussion with you is WHEN did he get the HEAVENLY BODY? Right here on earth after resurrection or when he got back to HEAVEN?
Its called materialization because a spirit does not have flesh and Bone's. When he does possess one. It's termed materialization .. Ressurected a spirit but materialized in a body of flesh since he hasn't returned to heaven
CAPTIVATOR: evidenced by his post ressurection appearance to Paul . and since then no man can see him again because he now dwell in unapproachable light.
Achorladey: What appearance did Paul see oooo.
Matthew 24:30
Then the sign of the Son of man will appear in heaven, and all the tribes of the earth will beat themselves in grief, and they WILL SEE THE SON of MAN coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Will human see the SON of MAN again? It's the words of JESUS CHRIST not mine.
Yeah, Just the same way the dead soldiers who piercers him would. Confused literalist
Note you have not addressed the UNAPPROACHABLE palaver. Are we still talking about JESUS CHRIST?
CAPTIVATOR: The men saw light but Paul saw the Glory of the light.
Achorladey: E get as e be oooo.
CAPTIVATOR: You probably miss one important information
ACT 22:6 ... Suddenly out of heaven a great light flashed ALL AROUND ME
The men were spectators , the main person who beheld the glory was Paul.
Achorladey: You are the one that made them SPECTATORS abi? No wonder you said they see the LIGHT and NOT the GLORY. As if the light they saw have absent glory in it or Paul mentioned the version they saw has absent glory in it.
CAPTIVATOR: That's the heavenly Jesus. Dwells in unapproachable light.
Achorladey: Is your Timothy cited about JESUS CHRIST?
Its Jesus
CAPTIVATOR: Calm down , Stephen only saw a vision. A VISION is totally different from REALITY.
Did Stephen saw the Glory of Jesus Christ or not in the VISION? Did he had to go to heaven to do so? Was Stephen in an HEAVENLY BODY in heaven to do so?
Vision is NOT reality!!! . U can tell us since Stephen saw Jesus standing at The right hand of God. He literally saw God too Wake up from slumber |
| Re: How To Get Jehovah's Witnesses To Listen by Barristter07: 12:52am On May 18, 2019 |
CAPTIVATOR:
The Lord lied ? those men are dead and rotten in the dust of the earth . so how could that be ?
Confused literalist .
So funny 1 Like |
| Re: How To Get Jehovah's Witnesses To Listen by Barristter07: 1:01am On May 18, 2019 |
After those beautiful explanations by Captivator and Jozzy4 , still asking this: achorladey
Is there anything STOPPING CHRIST the HEAVENLY ONE from REIGNING with those he made KINGS and PRIEST ON THE EARTH?
If this doesn't help you, your case is Christ Kingship and Priesthood isn't earthly
" If he were on earth , he would not be a priest " Hebrew 8:4 and 5 regard Christ priesthood as heavenly 1 Like |
| Re: How To Get Jehovah's Witnesses To Listen by Barristter07: 1:10am On May 18, 2019 |
johnw47:
lying pharisee deceiver, confused know nothing, blinded false jw Janosky/OneJ
me and my father are two persons, we are both human
Both human by nature , no wahala
Father and the Word are two persons, they are both God:
God by nature ? no wahala
Would this include human partakers of the [God] DIVINE Nature ? |
| Re: How To Get Jehovah's Witnesses To Listen by johnw47: 1:17am On May 18, 2019 |
Barristter07:
Both human by nature , no wahala
God by nature ? no wahala
Would this include human partakers of the [God] DIVINE Nature ? lie lie barrister truly me and my father are two persons, we are both human truly Father and the Word are two persons, they are both God try posting some scriptures that support your great confusion oh know nothing false jw and try posting in just english, you false jw's always mix your words-language it's just another way of twisting-lying |
| Re: How To Get Jehovah's Witnesses To Listen by johnw47: 1:27am On May 18, 2019 |
Barristter07:
Both human by nature , no wahala
God by nature ? no wahala
Would this include human partakers of the [God] DIVINE Nature ? lie lie barrister confused know nothing truly me and my father are human by nature, oh duh truly Father and the Word are God by nature, oh duh duh false jw lie lie, you don't post often but when you do you make those like Janosky/OneJ look 1% as if they might know something, and that's a very small might |
| Re: How To Get Jehovah's Witnesses To Listen by achorladey: 1:53am On May 18, 2019 |
CAPTIVATOR:
The Lord lied ? those men are dead and rotten in the dust of the earth . so how could that be ?
Confused literalist .
The same Jesus said it is finished, but a good Bible student knew that statement itself doesn't mean the ransom was paid immediately but it only an assurance of things to come , when he would appear before the Father in the heavens to obtain deliverance for adamic mankind
Same thing with his statement about been giving authority, that occurs when he returned to heaven, Study Daniel 7:13,14 very well and read 1Pet 3:22 .
1Pet 3:22 " He is at Gods right hand, [b] for he went to heaven, and angels AND AUTHORITIES and powers were made subject to him "
That occurred when he got to heaven.
Christ is seated in the heavenly places now and in the Coming system of things
U can't change this sorry
Thank you!!!
This proved Christ and his co rulers would all be in heaven.
Paul was speaking of something that's certain to occur !
Let me illustrate, the Bible said Christ the lamb has been slained since the founding of the world . it speaks as though it has happened whereas Christ wasn't slained until 33CE . why that language in past tense ? From God's view the ransom is paid already . though it hasn't manifested physically
Same here, No wonder Paul adds " so that IN THE COMING SYSTEM OF THINGS he might demonstrate the surpassing riches of his undeserved kindness In his graciousness toward us in UNION WITH Christ Jesus "
So both Jesus and his co rulers would seat in the heavenly places
CAPTIVATOR: The Lord lied? Achorladey: Show me how JESUS lied in his words recorded in Matthew 24:30.....Then the sign of the Son of man will appear in heaven, and all the tribes of the earth will beat themselves in grief, AND THEY WILL SEE the SON of MAN coming on the CLOUDS of HEAVEN with power and great glory. CAPTIVATOR: those men are dead and rotten in the dust of the earth. so how could that be? Achorladey: If a man dies can he LIVE AGAIN? asked the famous JOB. Since Jesus said they will SEE HIM with THEIR EYES who are you to tell him HOW COULD THAT BE? Is Jesus Christ hands now short to do whatever he wants. All authority in heaven and on earth is with him. CAPTIVATOR: Confused literalist. Achorladey: Expert on FIGURATIVES. CAPTIVATOR: The same Jesus said it is FINISHED, but a good Bible student knew that statement itself doesn't mean the ransom was paid immediately but it only an assurance of things to come, when he would appear before the Father in the heavens to obtain deliverance for adamic mankind. Achorladey: You have entered into FINISHED palaver again. When was it paid oga CAPTIVATOR then? 9: 28 so also the Christ was OFFERED ONCE for all TIME to bear the SINS of MANY; and the second time that he appears it will be apart from SIN, and HE WILL be SEEN by THOSE EARNESTLY LOOKING for him for THEIR SALVATION CAPTIVATOR: Same thing with his statement about been GIVEN authority, that occurs when he returned to heaven, Study Daniel 7:13,14 very well and read 1Pet 3:22. Achorladey: What about Matthew 28:18, it's EARTHLY not HEAVENLY. The same GIVEN recorded one is a PROPHECY, one it's FULFILLMENT, what do you think OGA CAPTIVATOR? This is 1 Peter 3:22.....He is at God’s right hand, for he went to heaven, and angels and authorities and powers were made subject to him. Colossians 1: 15,16....for all things in heaven and on earth were created in him—all things, whether visible or invisible, whether thrones or dominions, whether principalities or powers—all things were created through him and for him. 17 He himself is before all things and all things are held together in him. They are all UNDER HIS SUBJECTION right from start. He has FINISHED what was ASKED of him the reason he rightly state what is recorded in Matthew 28:18-20. The best part is Jesus didn't need to ASCEND to HEAVEN to state it. CAPTIVATOR: 1Pet 3:22 " He is at Gods right hand, for he went to heaven, and angels AND AUTHORITIES and powers were made subject to him " That occurred when he got to heaven. Matthew 28:18 Then Jesus came up and said to them, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been GIVEN to me. This occurred RIGHT HERE ON EARTH before he got to HEAVEN. It's what you have you give. Not what you don't have. CAPTIVATOR: Christ is seated in the heavenly places now and in the Coming system of things. Achorladey: and the question remains the same...... Is there anything STOPPING CHRIST the HEAVENLY ONE from REIGNING with those he made KINGS and PRIEST ON THE EARTH? CAPTIVATOR: U can't change this sorry Achorladey: Change what, change Matthew 28:18 that it was until he got back to HEAVEN what he said came to effect. Hahahahaha. CAPTIVATOR: Thank you!!! Achorladey: For what? CAPTIVATOR: This proved Christ and his co rulers would all be in heaven. Achorladey: Were those the account in that Ephesians directed to already in the HEAVEN, do THEY have HEAVENLY BODIES as at THEN. Hahahahaha! CAPTIVATOR: Paul was speaking of something that's certain to occur! Achorladey: That's certain to occur! E get as e be. 1 Corinthians 6: 16 And what mutual agreement does the temple of God have with idols? For we are the temple of the living God, just as God said, “I will live in them and will walk among them, and I will be their God,and they will be my people.” Is it Revelation 21:3,4 that will make what is recorded in 2 Corinthians 6:16 occur? CAPTIVATOR: Let me illustrate, the Bible said Christ the lamb has been slained since the founding of the world . IT SPEAKS AS THOUGH it has HAPPENED whereas Christ wasn't slained until 33CE . why that language in past tense ? From God's view the ransom is paid already. though it hasn't manifested physically. Achorladey: Oga CAPTIVATOR who knows GOD'S VIEW, which one be it hasn't MANIFESTED PHYSICALLY again? OK has it MANIFESTED SPIRITUALLY? you didn't see the past tense did not carry WILL SEAT but SEATED, not "will make" but MADE. This one no be case of AS THOUGH it has HAPPENED oooooo. Isaiah 46:10 From the beginning I foretell the outcome, And from long ago the things that have not yet been done. I say, ‘My DECISION WILL STAND, And I will do WHATEVER I PLEASE. CAPTIVATOR: Same here, No wonder Paul adds "so that IN THE COMING SYSTEM OF THINGS he might demonstrate the surpassing riches of his undeserved kindness In his graciousness toward us in UNION WITH Christ Jesus" Achorladey:1 Corinthians 3:21-23. So then, no more boasting about mere mortals! For everything belongs to you, whether Paul or Apollos or Cephas or the world or life or death or the PRESENT or the FUTURE. EVERYTHING BELONGS to YOU, 23 and you belong to Christ, and Christ belongs to God. CAPTIVATOR: So both Jesus and his co rulers would seat in the heavenly places. Achorladey: Is there anything STOPPING CHRIST the HEAVENLY ONE from REIGNING with those he made KINGS and PRIEST ON THE EARTH? Revelation 5:10 You have appointed them as a kingdom and priests to serve our God, and they will reign ON THE EARTH |
