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Re: No Christians In Old Testament, Why Are They Forcing The Laws On Us? by Sexymercy: 1:00pm On Jun 09, 2019 |
Re: No Christians In Old Testament, Why Are They Forcing The Laws On Us? by alBHAGDADI: 1:03pm On Jun 09, 2019 |
Paul1604: Go and study, you will see that Jesus who became our High Priest in the Order of Melchizedec was the same Melchizedec who collected tithe from Abraham which wasn't even agricultural produce alone. |
Re: No Christians In Old Testament, Why Are They Forcing The Laws On Us? by alBHAGDADI: 1:05pm On Jun 09, 2019 |
austelright1: Those things you mentioned have been changed in the new testament. You don't read your Bible that's why you have seen where they were specifically changed. I can't go into details especially to educate you because I see that you don't read the Bible. |
Re: No Christians In Old Testament, Why Are They Forcing The Laws On Us? by alBHAGDADI: 1:06pm On Jun 09, 2019 |
austelright1: Read thread below to see why other translation s are bad and evil. https://www.nairaland.com/4957299/bible-sword-butter-knife-why |
Re: No Christians In Old Testament, Why Are They Forcing The Laws On Us? by oyinda1599(f): 1:07pm On Jun 09, 2019 |
ollah2:You are a blessed soul. The hatred for Islam and Muslims on this forum is from hell. 1 Like |
Re: No Christians In Old Testament, Why Are They Forcing The Laws On Us? by alBHAGDADI: 1:07pm On Jun 09, 2019 |
PrecisionFx: Where did the Bible say so? If the Bible said such, how come the same Bible contains the Old testament? |
Re: No Christians In Old Testament, Why Are They Forcing The Laws On Us? by alBHAGDADI: 1:09pm On Jun 09, 2019 |
austelright1: Only the descendants of Aaron were priests. Today's priesthood is in the order of Melchizedec who received tithes |
Re: No Christians In Old Testament, Why Are They Forcing The Laws On Us? by alBHAGDADI: 1:12pm On Jun 09, 2019 |
Cmeo: Give to Caesar what belongs to Caasar, and God what belongs to God. |
Re: No Christians In Old Testament, Why Are They Forcing The Laws On Us? by oyinda1599(f): 1:17pm On Jun 09, 2019 |
Anndrew:BITTERNESS! 1 Like |
Re: No Christians In Old Testament, Why Are They Forcing The Laws On Us? by obailala(m): 1:18pm On Jun 09, 2019 |
alBHAGDADI:All these preachers that keep mixing Chriastianity with Judaism, how exactly do you guys read the bible and still claim not to understand some simple things? What has having tatoos got to do with anything in this day and age? The same chapter where it is written in Leviticus that you shouldn't put any ink on your body, that same chapter also instructs men not to ever shave the hair by the side of their face or wear any garment made of more than one type of fabric. But the way some preachers today condemn those with tatoos but intentionally / unintentionally ignore the other latter commands is quite confusing. The anti-tithing can't show where the law on tithing has been specifically changed in the New Testament.Abraham was not under the Law, he tithed once (no record in the bible shows that it was repeated) and the most important thing is that he tithed 'willingly' (it was never a mandatory command for his to tithe). Likewise Jacob, he tithed willingly as a personal sacrifice to God. Keypoint is that he did it willingly, he was never under any command to do so. The only place where tithing was made mandatory in the bible was within the Laws of Moses. I understand your current argument is that even Christians in 2019 are still under the laws of Moses?... How then do you explain this verse in the book of Acts where Peter condemned people preaching this very gospel you are currently preaching? Acts 15:10 - New International Version (NIV) 10 Now then, why do you try to test God by putting on the necks of Gentiles a yoke that neither we nor our ancestors have been able to bear? The above verse were the words of Apostle Peter condemning the elders of the Church for insisting that if salvation must be preached to the Gentile believers, then the Laws of Moses must also be extended to Gentiles. Peter described the Laws of Moses as a burden which they (Jews) were not even able to keep. My dear brother, it's never too late to learn, unlearn and re-learn. That's what 21st century literacy is truly about; accepting that what one has always known and believed might not be correct afterall. 3 Likes |
Re: No Christians In Old Testament, Why Are They Forcing The Laws On Us? by hogan26: 1:24pm On Jun 09, 2019 |
Mk93:You lack the true knowledge, whenever you hear the word OLD TESTAMENT refer to the old ordinance not about the old testament book. |
Re: No Christians In Old Testament, Why Are They Forcing The Laws On Us? by Paul1604: 1:28pm On Jun 09, 2019 |
[quote author=alBHAGDADI post=79160872] Go and study, you will see that Jesus who became our High Priest in the Order of Melchizedec was the same Melchizedec who collected tithe from Abraham which wasn't even agricultural produce alone. [/quote Just see your reply self. It's funny how you lack understanding. So you think I didn't know mechidezelk collected tithte from spoils of war which was given to him. And you don't find it worrying the New and supreme high priest never collected any titthe. And you are definitely shocked that you didn't know so much as you claim to know especially d 30 percent when you want to tithe in money. U think you know so much and y are always right. I don't have time to start to argue the word especially when you don't know you don't know. Tithing is not a thing for Christians but If a pastor still wants to talk about giving using the name tithing he has to tell it's members that it has no impact on salvation and that they should give freely from a heart of Thanksgiving and not give 10 percent or you won't make heaven or dah dere will be consequences on earth. God doesn't need your money or anything from you. He has it all but when you understand and become spirit filled you become a giver freely whether it's to help your church or the less privileged around you. It's a natural thing for all believers. Please be guided |
Re: No Christians In Old Testament, Why Are They Forcing The Laws On Us? by alBHAGDADI: 1:31pm On Jun 09, 2019 |
Adakintroy: You said the Holy Spirit came to bring to our remembrance all things. How can you remember what you do not know? The Holy Spirit is actually here to remind us of the laws of the words of God or the laws of God |
Re: No Christians In Old Testament, Why Are They Forcing The Laws On Us? by alBHAGDADI: 1:34pm On Jun 09, 2019 |
obailala: The blindfold covering your eyes dint allow you read my post towards understanding. Those portions concerning shaving and clothing have been changed in the New Testament, but not tattoo. Ho and study |
Re: No Christians In Old Testament, Why Are They Forcing The Laws On Us? by Anndrew(m): 1:35pm On Jun 09, 2019 |
oyinda1599:Lolz,this isn't about bitterness,..This is abt nigeria as a whole... |
Re: No Christians In Old Testament, Why Are They Forcing The Laws On Us? by obailala(m): 1:38pm On Jun 09, 2019 |
alBHAGDADI:How exactly or where exactly were laws on dual fabric garments and side hair shaving changed, and how come these were changed but irrelevant things like tatoo were not changed?... Have you got any biblical evidence to prove your above assertions?... Help me uncover the blindfold on my eyes please, and kindly do so with verifiable evidence cos it's not enough to just yell me what your pastor or your spirit said and expect me to accept ir as truth... Thanks... 1 Like |
Re: No Christians In Old Testament, Why Are They Forcing The Laws On Us? by alBHAGDADI: 1:39pm On Jun 09, 2019 |
obailala: Since you've misunderstood Peter to be saying we gentiles should not obey the law, then kindly go and have hot sex with your mother and sister tonight which the law commands against. If you fail to disobey that law, then you are under the curse of the law for obeying it. The way you people read the Bible is horrible. |
Re: No Christians In Old Testament, Why Are They Forcing The Laws On Us? by alBHAGDADI: 1:40pm On Jun 09, 2019 |
obailala: I won't show you, because you claim to know it all despite not reading the bible. Ho and study the new testament cos I won't give what belongs to the child to dogs. |
Re: No Christians In Old Testament, Why Are They Forcing The Laws On Us? by obailala(m): 1:41pm On Jun 09, 2019 |
alBHAGDADI:Under the new testament, fornication, adultery, incest and all other forms of immorality were roundly condemned. That is very simple knowledge even to babies. You do not need the laws of Moses to know that. It's wonderful how we now have preachers in 2019 who underatand the mind of God more than the Apostles who walked the earth with Christ. 1 Like |
Re: No Christians In Old Testament, Why Are They Forcing The Laws On Us? by BenzEne1(m): 1:43pm On Jun 09, 2019 |
kaen1317: And you guys go ahead, swear the oath and spread hatred on Islamic threads anyway. Safe to say you guys don't care one bit about the oath, so stop ranting. 1 Like |
Re: No Christians In Old Testament, Why Are They Forcing The Laws On Us? by obailala(m): 1:44pm On Jun 09, 2019 |
alBHAGDADI:No offence but this is the most ridiculous excuse I've ever come across in my entire life of discussing the bible. You claim to know the bible so well and what's in the new testament but you cant quote a single verse to support your argument; you only make conjectures... All these "my pastor/my papa said to me" Christians.. I challenge you from now till next year, show me where you claim in the new testament that laws on wearing dual fabric were abolished but laws on tatoo were upheld. 2 Likes |
Re: No Christians In Old Testament, Why Are They Forcing The Laws On Us? by OLUWABIG(m): 1:49pm On Jun 09, 2019 |
Nobody is forcing you to obey the law my Brother THE LAW&GRACE Act 20:24,John 1:15-18 "The Death the burial and Resurrection of Christ is the gospel of God which is the Gospel of grace" �LAW Anything Received ,Command which is meant to be obeyed �GRACE "That which are affords joy pleasure delight sweetness Of the merciful kindness of which joy God exerting his Holy upon each soul turns them to christ,keeps strengthens increase them in christian faith,knowledge affection and kindness and kindles them to exercise of the christian Faith" "The law was never given since the begin" �WHO GAVE MOSES THE LAW: Act 7:53,38 Galatians 3:19 , 4:1-5 "The law was given as a of guidiance when christ was yet to be revealed " "The law was given to put end to sin" "The law reveals punishment" Hebrews 9:18-19 "The law was never perfect" �THE REQUIREMENT OF THE LAW: Ezekiel 20:11 "The law was made to be obeyed Romans 10:5 Galatians 3:11-12 �"The Requirement of the Law is works" "The real intent why the law was given is for people to move closer to God" Romans 9:30-33 , Romans 4:2 2nd Timothy 1:9 , Galatians 2:16 �"The Atonement for defaulting of the law was the blood of bulls and goats" Leviticus 17:11 6:30 Hebrews 9:20-22 , 10-14 �� "THE REQUIREMENT OF GRACE IS THE FAITH IN CHRIST"�� ⛪ UJCM PDSF⛪ JUNE/9/2019 Message As Delivered By: PASTOR DAVID GOODLUCK 1 Like |
Re: No Christians In Old Testament, Why Are They Forcing The Laws On Us? by Paul1604: 1:49pm On Jun 09, 2019 |
alBHAGDADI: U are actually a someone who lacks understanding to a very high level. That we as believers shouldn't obey the law doesn't mean the person dah put up that post will go have sex with his mum or something. U even saying that means you need complete renewal of your mind .we believers are Christ like that's why we are called Christians. It means we follow the practices set by Christ while he was on earth and also those instructed to those who wrote the epistles and remaining part of the new testament through the Holy Spirit. Christ didn't go have sex with his mum so why will d brother do dat your assertion is just ridiculous. In Christ alone I can know I don't need to do those things stated in the law so I don't need the law as a believer. If you are under the law once you break one you break all. So you saying some are valid are not valid means you are still under the law. Someone like you will say it's a sin for a girl to wear trousers. U keep forming you know things. Like my brother said learn and relearn. Selah 1 Like |
Re: No Christians In Old Testament, Why Are They Forcing The Laws On Us? by alBHAGDADI: 1:50pm On Jun 09, 2019 |
obailala: Shouldn't you see that the condemnation of those things you mentioned is an upholding of portions of the law? But I thought your kind said the law has been abolished. How come the new testament held on to those ones? Mind you, it is not the laws of Moses but the laws of God. It is more simple knowledge that we all have. It is simple today because of the centuries of mankind obeying the laws of God. That's why it seems like common knowledge today. Still yet, people disobey them. |
Re: No Christians In Old Testament, Why Are They Forcing The Laws On Us? by kaen1317: 1:54pm On Jun 09, 2019 |
BenzEne1:anyone that goes to any religious thread and write bad things is firewood for hell fire. 1 Like |
Re: No Christians In Old Testament, Why Are They Forcing The Laws On Us? by alBHAGDADI: 1:54pm On Jun 09, 2019 |
Paul1604: If the law had permitted people to sleep with their mother, do t you think Christ would have done so? He didn't because it was against His law. That's cleat Jesus setting an example which you don't know has to do with his law. He loved his neighbor as required of the law. You say you love your neighbor because Jesus did same, but you dont know that he was simply following the law. Following Jesus is same as following the law cos he said he didn't come to abolish it and that one jot won't pass away. |
Re: No Christians In Old Testament, Why Are They Forcing The Laws On Us? by obailala(m): 1:56pm On Jun 09, 2019 |
alBHAGDADI: Once again, the Pharisees originally rejected the idea of Gentiles being saved, but after they eventually got to terms with it, insisted that Gentile believers nust be made to obey the Laws of Moses. Below was the response of Apostle Peter: Acts 15:10 - New International Version (NIV) 10 Now then, why do you try to test God by putting on the necks of Gentiles a yoke that neither we nor our ancestors have been able to bear? Since you claim I do not understand English language, can you knidly interpret the meaning of the above response by Peter in simple terms that I can understand. I never claimed I was a biblical scholar, but at least I have read this very Chapter 15 of the Acts of the Apostles several times. Every time I ask this question to people like you, the only response I get is simply, "you need the Spirit to understand it". Or simply "you dont understatand it". Can you please explain what is difiiicult to understand here?.. Thanks. 1 Like |
Re: No Christians In Old Testament, Why Are They Forcing The Laws On Us? by alBHAGDADI: 1:57pm On Jun 09, 2019 |
obailala: I won't show you because you claim to know, which you really don't. I will simply allow you to wallow in your pride. |
Re: No Christians In Old Testament, Why Are They Forcing The Laws On Us? by onlyforchrist: 1:59pm On Jun 09, 2019 |
alBHAGDADI: Hmmm, see Christian saying derogatory words to another human. where's love in all these things you are proving? my view point is the right one, not yours mentality. Shame on you if you are Christ-like. |
Re: No Christians In Old Testament, Why Are They Forcing The Laws On Us? by Adakintroy: 2:01pm On Jun 09, 2019 |
alBHAGDADI: You are confusing yourself. The holy spirit gives us direct link to God. Through his spirit we have direct access to god. He himself said there will come a time were this word will not be written in scroll but in our heart. That's the time of the spirit. The law itself did not just appear. Holy men wrote them as they were carried along by the spirit. What law did Moses or Enoch or Noah use to reach God Even before tim as we know it bEgan the spirit had was existing. How did men came to know this for a spiral fact is what you should be asking. Am talking knowledge of pretime. 1 Like |
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