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alBHAGDADI:
Stop applying evasive tactics, answer the question he asked.

The question I asked is vital . are those in hell presently with their hands?

You already admit Hell means Grave ( Sheol/Hades)

Your shallow knowledge didn't even tel you Hades appear many times in Greek scripture which automatically means reference to Grave.

alBHAGDADI:

Stop using English dictionary to always interpret the Bible. Eternal life means live forever without dieing, right? Isn't that what fully happens when the body resurrects after the spirit goes back into it? Such a person dwells in the presence of the Lord.

For those who didn't believe God...

2 Thessalonians 1:9
These will pay the penalty of eternal destruction, away from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power,

The below verse clearly shows the Bible differentiating both quality of life. One is punishment while the other is in the presence of God.

Matthew 25:46 (KJV)
46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

Did you see everlasting punishment up there? If it's not punishment and it's not everlasting, then do you think atheists have any reason to be worried since they are just going to die and that's all?

Matthew 25:41 (KJV)
41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

As seen above, no everlasting life for the unbelievers, but everlasting torment, punishment and fire for them. They are going to be where the devil and his angels will be.

According to you, hell is just a common grave and the soul doesn't live on. Then what's so special about what John the Baptist said to the Pharisees below when he warned them of the damnation of hell? Since you say that's where we are all going to end up and unconscious, then why should the Pharisees be bothered?

Matthew 23:33 (KJV)
33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?

It's clear you are not seeing the scriptures placed in your front. You just want to remain a robot with the programming if watchtower

The Greek word combined are eternal and LIFE , So am.very much correct.!

Can someone experience everlasting torment without everlasting life ( Living forever ) ?

shadeyinka:
No one ever disputed that.
In the old testament, almost every reference to hell means the grave or the place where the dead goes(sheol) or a place of sorrow depending on the context.

In the new testament none of the reference to hell refer to the grave but a place of torment and punishment.

The problem is that JW wish to hide the fact that hell exists so they put all reference to hell to mean grave. That is very wrong.

Can you find a single new testament verse that calls or describes hell as the grave?

Do you know how many translations translate Rev 20:13 hell as Grave ? Barrister said u lack understanding , it's so glaring.

Mar 9:43:
"And if your hand offend you, cut it off: it is better for you to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:"

In JW dictionary, does fire burn in the grave!?

Abeg, answer : Are the people In hell together with their two hands oooooooo ?

If not that your heart is waxed too, Mr Explain and tell this thread if those wey dey hell have their body with them ?

jesusjnr:
It seems Jesus was actually talking about the Jehovah witnesses when He said this to His disciples:

"Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.
For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.
Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.
And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:
For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them." Matthew 13:11-15 (KJV)

For that's the only explanation why the simple saying of Jesus that God is able to kill and destroy both the soul and body in hell which has completely debunked this thread is yet being questioned by the Jehovah witnesses.

For when people's hearts are waxed gross to the Truth, there's no point trying to speak the Truth to their heart, because it would be impossible for their heart to be able to understand and accept the Truth.

So that's it from me on this Jehovah witness thread that has waxed gross.

OLAADEGBU:
"And this is life eternal, that they might know you the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent" (John 17:3).

Immortality of the human soul means the soul cannot be annihilated after death, it lives on eternally either in eternal life in the presence of God or eternal death separated apart from God in the lake of fire.

Lives on eternally, Lives indicate LIfe , and its eternal.

Just conclude everybody has everlasting life by default, Jesus death is useless. Accepted ?

Barristter07:
Getting interesting I must say. I still don't know why someone who believes in eternal torment not just admit the wicked also have everlasting life. In that case , Jesus did nothing special . how much it must have hurt Christ to see all this False doctrines and tradition of man obscure Gods gift to man ?

Their sense didn't open to that. They are anti Jesus big tyme

Barristter07:
Does " Die " now takes a different meaning from what it means in the statement " body dies " ?

If its different, can you explain how the soul die, let's see if it doesn't have eternal life by default ?


Cc: jozzy4

Nice thread

Jesusjnr tell us how the soul die.

We know when the body die, explain that of soul, is it the same thing

jesusjnr:
Is the human soul like the human body?

You should just admit that you Jehovah witnesses don't believe in Jesus or His saying, so stop pretending to His disciples when you're not!

This matter has already been settled that a human soul can die, and that's gives credence to the death of Jesus which was purposed by God to redeem it from that death.

You CNT say the soul die and still believe it lives on . two opposite things, Either you are gambling, confused or deluded. Or is it a mistake again ? Explain yourself MR

alBHAGDADI:
That guy is a disgrace. He thinks people can't see through his folly and dubious tactics. If I were him, I will just shaemfully exit thread. But in order to save face and make it seem like he's still going on strong in the debate, he decides to employ those evasive and distractive tactics.

He doesn't know that he's only exposing himself as people can see clearly. He thinks Nairalanders are toddlers.

I think Naira landers know the one who is confuse, a good bible student should not even ask that question. Are u aware that Hell is rendered Grave in many Bible translation at Rev 20:13 ? To debunk your lie, how is that even related to the thread . but you have your answer already

haywizzy007:
That means their spirits went to heaven immediately they died..

Will you now admit that Abraham and Isaac were in heaven before the Lord Jesus came to the Earth?

Good question!

Did they make heaven without Jesus ?

Cc: aLBHAGDADI, shadeyinka . since their spirit make heaven before Jesus

Jozzy4:
Do you know how many translations translate Rev 20:13 hell as Grave ? Barrister said u lack understanding , it's so glaring.

Only fake translations would translate the Greek HADES to Grave in Rev 20:13. The interlinear Greek English is presented in the attached picture.

If this is your best answer
Do you now agree that there is not a single passage in the New Testament that refer to or describes the grave as Hell!

Jozzy4:
Abeg, answer : Are the people In hell together with their two hands oooooooo ?

Dumb question! A very stupid question.

It's just like saying:
Is it true that the hands of a prisoner go into Prison?

Barristter07:
Why then is it buried ? I thought the human hands should also dissapear to hell presently

I think only you understand your question.

Evans was arrested and the question someone like you ask is:
[b]"Did he get arrested with his two hands?"
[/b]I don't get it! Can a question be dumber than this?

shadeyinka:
Only fake translations would translate the Greek HADES to Grave in Rev 20:13. The interlinear Greek English is presented in the attached picture.

If this is your best answer
Do you now agree that there is not a single passage in the New Testament that refer to or describes the grave as Hell!

What is the Greek equivalent of Sheol ?

You no no nothing

Dumb question! A very stupid question.

It's just like saying:
Is it true that the hands of a prisoner go into Prison?

How many of such have u seen ? Or is Jesus lying ni ?

Jozzy4:
Lives on eternally, Lives indicate LIfe , and its eternal.

Just conclude everybody has everlasting life by default, Jesus death is useless. Accepted ?

Don't get confused with the word eternal life. Eternity is the word you need.

"He has made everything appropriate in its time. He has also set eternity in their heart, yet so that man will not find out the work which God has done from the beginning even to the end" (Ecclesiastes 3:11) NASB

God has set eternity in the hearts of humanity. If you know you know.

Jozzy4:
Good question!

Did they make heaven without Jesus ?

Cc: aLBHAGDADI, shadeyinka . since their spirit make heaven before Jesus

They are in Paradise! That is the same place Abraham is!

Luk 23:43:
"And Jesus said to him, Truly I say to you, To day shall you be with me in paradise."

Paradise isn't on the earth!

2Cor 12:2-4:
"I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knows; ) such an one caught up to the third heaven . And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knows; ) How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.".

shadeyinka:
I think only you understand your question.

Evans was arrested and the question someone like you ask is:
[b]"Did he get arrested with his two hands?"
[/b]I don't get it! Can a question be dumber than this?

You truly don't know chi chi

Are people in hell presently now ?

Why are their two hands not following them ?

Why is it buried ?

Do u have sense now?

shadeyinka:
They are in Paradise! That is the same place Abraham is!

Luk 23:43:
"And Jesus said to him, Truly I say to you, To day shall you be with me in paradise."

Paradise isn't on the earth!

2Cor 12:2-4:
"I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knows; ) such an one caught up to the third heaven . And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knows; ) How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.".

Where did the Bible said Abraham went to Paradise ?

Don't be silly

OLAADEGBU:
Don't get confused with the word eternal life. Eternity is the word you need.

"He has made everything appropriate in its time. He has also set eternity in their heart, yet so that man will not find out the work which God has done from the beginning even to the end" (Ecclesiastes 3:11) NASB

God has set eternity in the hearts of humanity. If you know you know.

He didn't set eternal life in their heart, u have confess yourself that every Soul LIVes ( LIFE ) eternally. Meaning Jesus didn't give any eternal life, we already have it

Jesus is ashamed of you

Jozzy4:
You truly don't know chi chi

Are people in hell presently now ?

Why are their two hands not following them ?

Why is it buried ?

Do u have sense now?

The rich man in Lk16: was buried but found himself in Hell
Luk 16:22-23:
"And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried; And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and sees Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom."

Only JW don't know that there is a difference between Hell and the Lake of Fire!


Your question was, "Did he leave his hands behind in the grave?"

Jozzy4:
Good question!

Did they make heaven without Jesus ?

Cc: aLBHAGDADI, shadeyinka . since their spirit make heaven before Jesus

I dare anyone of them to answer that question..

This guy is a confirm Joke!

shadeyinka:
The rich man in Lk16: was buried but found himself in Hell

Hell ?

What is the Greek equivalent of Sheol ?

Did Hades appear in. That place or not ?

Luk 16:22-23:
"And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom

Uhmmm the beggars corpse was not buried , but carried off by angels ! Does such happen today if the story is real ?

: the rich man also died, and was buried; And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and sees Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom."

Only JW don't know that there is a difference between Hell and the Lake of Fire!


Your question was, "Did he leave his hands behind in the grave?"

He has his eyes and tongue, which Body is that ? Human body ? It says Hell not lake of fire Olodo

haywizzy007:
I dare anyone of them to answer that question..

They are bunch of confusionist

Jozzy4:
Where did the Bible said Abraham went to Paradise ?

Don't be silly

Abraham knows nothing, for he was annihilated in the wishes of JW people!
And yet God is not the God of the dead, but of the living!

SMH!

Shadeyinka what is the Greek equivalent of Hebrew Sheol ?

Today u will know you are very shallow in understanding

Jozzy4:
He didn't set eternal life in their heart, u have confess yourself that every Soul LIVes ( LIFE ) eternally. Meaning Jesus didn't give any eternal life, we already have it

Jesus is ashamed of you

They are confused, they won't just admit..

shadeyinka:
Abraham knows nothing, for he was annihilated in the wishes of JW people!
/And yet God is not the God of the dead, but of the living!

SMH!

And how many times will it be repeated to you that Jesus statement was made in the context of ressurection ? Are u this Blin.d ?

haywizzy007:
They are confused, they won't just admit..

U see that shallow one called shadeyinka that said no single reference to Hell as Grave in the NT , little knowledge did not let him know the Sheol he admit as Grave is the same as Hades .

shadeyinka:

Only fake translations would translate the Greek HADES to Grave in Rev 20:13. The interlinear Greek English is presented in the attached picture.

If this is your best answer
Do you now agree that there is not a single passage in the New Testament that refer to or describes the grave as Hell!


Dumb question! A very stupid question.

It's just like saying:
Is it true that the hands of a prisoner go into Prison?

What is the Greek equivalent of Hebrew Sheol?

Jozzy4:
Shadeyinka what is the Greek equivalent of Hebrew Sheol ?

Today u will know you are very shallow in understanding

Jozzy4:
U see that shallow one called shadeyinka that said no single reference to Hell as Grave in the NT , little knowledge did not let him know the Sheol he admit as Grave is the same as Hades .

It's obvious you have forgotten what led us to this ! It started with

Barristter07:
You confirm translation error !

Jozzy4 , this thread will do some factory settings , Shadeyinka and albhagdadi see your partner admiting Hell is use for Grave , something you both vehemently denied . its all right . wahala dey the enemy camp like one friend of mine do say

Emusan, Which one does hell means here, Grave or place of torment ? One thing is certain the body is present in this hell.

shadeyinka:
No one ever disputed that.
In the old testament, almost every reference to hell means the grave or the place where the dead goes(sheol) or a place of sorrow depending on the context.

In the new testament none of the reference to hell refer to the grave but a place of torment and punishment.

The problem is that JW wish to hide the fact that hell exists so they put all reference to hell to mean grave. That is very wrong.

Can you find a single new testament verse that calls or describes hell as the grave?

Mar 9:43:
"And if your hand offend you, cut it off: it is better for you to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:"

In JW dictionary, does fire burn in the grave!?

Jozzy4:
U see that shallow one called shadeyinka that said no single reference to Hell as Grave in the NT , little knowledge did not let him know the Sheol he admit as Grave is the same as Hades .

A whole pastor...lol
I believe he has learnt something new today..he now knows the Greek equivalent of Sheol is Hades

Mr. shadeyinka, for the sake of next time..Sheol, Hades, Hell and Grave. All these terms have the same meaning ascribed to it.

shadeyinka:
It's obvious you have forgotten what led us to this ! It started with

Shebi no reference to Hell as Grave in NT ?

What's the Greek equivalent of Sheol, let us see if it appear in NT nah ?

Barristter07:
Let's see if it's a thing or person .

When Jesus spirit return to God, was Jesus in heaven that day ?



It trashes you as a liar, U dubious person!

What Did God cast into this Hell I asked ../ your response: Soul alone. Despite Jesus saying BOTH soul and body.

Let the next verse reply you better:

"
And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole BODY should be CAST INTO hell. KJB

Will God cast the Body into Hell too ?

Lolzzzzzzzzzzz Emusan, will God cast body to hell ? I thought u said its soul alone. Lol