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alBHAGDADI:
James 2:26
For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

During death, the spirit leaves the body. That is what the Bible deffines as death as seen in verse above. The body goes into the ground while the spirit lives on either in hell or heaven.

Eccl 12:7 says the spirit returns to God either wicked or righteous , Are u sleeping when you type the bolded rubbish ?

To your questions, yes souls are in hell right now, but their bodies are in the grave . It is after the final judgment of the wicked that their bodies will be resurrected, not to be alive again but as the dead i.e the bodies remain dead as seen in revelations 20. After jugdment, they are then thrown into the fire where their souls are. That brings to past the saying of Jesus Christ...

Matthew 10:28
“And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.”

Jesus did not say soul will go first and Body join later, as a matter of fact he said BOTH body and soul just as Barister07 emphasized earlier.

Did Jesus lie ?

alBHAGDADI:
Souls are currently in he while their bodies are in the ground dead. They will be judged before the bodies are thrown into the fire where their souls are.

Revelation 20:12 King James Version (KJV)
12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

Liar! Is the rich man a soul or physical human ?

OLAADEGBU:
Don't be querulous. You can ask Jesus, His apostles and believers what they had to say about eternal death (Hell).

(Revelation 1:18) The Evidence Bible.

There are three words translated "hell" in Scripture:

Gehenna (Greek): The place of punishment (Matthew 5:22,29; 10:28; and James 3:6)

Hades (Greek): The abode of the dead (Matthew 11:23; 16:18, Luke 16:23; Acts 2:27)

Sheol (Hebrew): The grave (Psalm 9:17; 16:10)

There are those who accept that hell is a place of punishment, but believe that the punishment is to be annihilated—to cease conscious existence. They can't conceive that the punishment of the wicked will be conscious and eternal. If they are correct, then a man like Adolph Hitler, who was responsible for the deaths of millions, is being "punished" merely with eternal sleep. His fate is simply to return to the non-existent state he was in before he was born, where he doesn't even know that he is being punished.

However, Scripture paints a different story. The rich man who found himself in hell (Luke 16:19–31) was conscious. He was able to feel pain, to thirst, and to experience remorse. He wasn't asleep in the grave; he was in a place of "torment." If hell is a place of knowing nothing or a reference to the grave into which we go at death, Jesus' statements about hell make no sense. He said that if your hand, foot, or eye causes you to sin, it would be better to remove it than to:

(Mark 9:43–48).

The Bible refers to the fate of the unsaved with such fearful words as the following:

(Daniel 12:2)

(Mathew 25:46)

(Matthew 24:51)

(Luke 3:17)

(Romans 2:8,9)

(2 Thessalonians 1:9)

(Jude 7,13)

Revelation 14:10,11 tells us the final, eternal destiny of the sinner:

Olaadegbu, Your case is critical, is the rich man not present in Hades with his Physical body ?

alBHAGDADI:
This question actually shows why the gospel preached by your organization is false and a work based salvation gospel.

You want to know if Abraham and the Old Testament saints went to heaven without the coming, death, burial and resurrection of Jesus.

Your believe is that one has to believe in Jesus before he or she can make heaven. That means those who died before Jesus came to earth cant make heaven or will have to wait for the resurrection. You are funny.

Do you think salvation started after Jesus Christ came to earth? Mankind has been getting saved from Abel and Abraham's days. Before I explain that, let me first ensure you understand something.

Hope you know the word FAITH mean BELIEVE.

Now, how do we make Heaven or have everlasting life? It is by faith/believe in Jesus who is God.

John 3:16 (KJV)
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Did Abraham believe God?

Romans 4:3
For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.

Did Abel have faith/believe in God?

Hebrews 11:4
By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts: and by it he being dead yet speaketh.

The bolded part above shows that Abel still speaks today despite being dead. That debunks your soul sleep false doctrine and shows that he is alive in heaven.

Below is Paul saying we get saved through faith in God just as Abel, Abraham and the old testament saints did.

Ephesians 2:8-9
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

All the prophets before the coming of Jesus Christ believed in him and also witnessed about him. Isaiah, David, Moses, Daniel, John the Baptist etc all preached about Jesus which shows they believed in him.

Acts 10:43
43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.

Now, juxtapose what the prophets preached about with the verse below.


John 3:16 (KJV)
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Clearly, their believe gave them everlasting life which is why they are in heaven. But according to you, they are totally dead and nowhere because you don't believe anyone is in heaven. That means you have called Jesus a liar. Remember he said he will give all those who believe in him everlasting life.

John 10:28 (KJV)
28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

The Bible verse below is telling we believers that we have that eternal life now. This means we won't wait till resurrection till we get it. We have it already that is why we go straight to heaven where fellow believers like Abel and Abraham are.

1 John 5:13 (KJV)
13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

If we have to go unconscious for a while before getting that eternal life on ressurection day, then the above verse lied when it said we already have it.

Have you been schooled today or the robotic programming of JW couldn't allow you understand my post?

Silly pastor, I pity those listening to you

Paul said they didn't receive the promise despite their faith! Telling you they were not saved without Christ death

shadeyinka:
You argue like a dummy!

The question was:
Can you find a single new testament verse that calls or describes hell as the grave?

I even used the word "describe" so that you don't need to find exact Quotes

Why didn't you read my response or answer the question!

But Hades and Sheol are the same thing ?

Jozzy4:
Don't be comforted, Barister07 isn't online, When he arrives you will smell your pepper.


No 2 is the meaning of Gehenna, no conscious torment exist there. This is why Jesus keep speaking of physical body in Gehenna, because that's what go there.

You who call it hell, How many physical bodies has dissapear to Hell ?

You don't know anything like I usually say

Joe, Don't mind them !

I dey your back Gidigba

Jozzy4:
Eccl 12:7 says the spirit returns to God either wicked or righteous , Are u sleeping when you type the bolded rubbish ?

Jesus did not say soul will go first and Body join later, as a matter of fact he said BOTH body and soul just as Barister07 emphasized earlier.

Did Jesus lie ?

Yes, the spirit, whether wicked or righteous, will return to God. That's when he sends the righteous into heaven and the wicked into punishment of fire. Or what were you thinking God will do with the spirit?


Ecclesiastes 12:7
7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

Jesus did t have to say it the way you want. The Bible teaches it. The Bible taught about souls facing torment in hell and also how the dead unrighteous will resurrect and remain dead to be judged by God before getting thrown in the fire.

But your failure to admit that hell fire is taught by the Bible is preventing to g you from accepting the truth. GB has really turned you into a robot.

Jozzy4:
Silly pastor, I pity those listening to you

Paul said they didn't receive the promise despite their faith! Telling you they were not saved without Christ death

Yeye dey smell

This one has been slammed by a truckload of truth that he couldn't debate against. He's now here saying what Paul never said.

Same Paul in Romans 4 spoke of how Abraham's faith is what makes one righteous and that faith gets eternal life according to the Bible's most popular verse John 3:16.

Jozzy4:
Liar! Is the rich man a soul or physical human ?

Your question has no context.

alBHAGDADI:
I gave you a load of clear scriptures to explain everything to you, but you still came up with this junk question again?

Now, really again...


Eternal life means live forever without dieing, right? Isn't that what fully happens when the body resurrects after the spirit goes back into it? Such a person dwells in the presence of the Lord.

For those who didn't believe God...

2 Thessalonians 1:9
These will pay the penalty of eternal destruction, away from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power,

The below verse clearly shows the Bible differentiating both quality of life. One is punishment while the other is in the presence of God.

Matthew 25:46 (KJV)
46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

Did you see everlasting punishment up there? If it's not punishment and it's not everlasting, then do you think atheists have any reason to be worried since they are just going to die and that's all?

Matthew 25:41 (KJV)
41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

As seen above, no everlasting life for the unbelievers, but everlasting torment, punishment and fire for them. They are going to be where the devil and his angels will be.

According to you, hell is just a common grave and the soul doesn't live on. Then what's so special about what John the Baptist said to the Pharisees below when he warned them of the damnation of hell? Since you say that's where we are all going to end up and unconscious, then why should the Pharisees be bothered?

Matthew 23:33 (KJV)
33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?

It's clear you are not seeing the scriptures placed in your front. You just want to remain a robot with the programming if watchtower

You are more robotic, The Bolded is also exactly what happen if someone is to be tormented forever, they Live forever.

If you are so sure of yourself , Go and extract the Greek word translated Eternal life in English and see if it doesn't rhyme with the Dictionary meaning.

I dare you to!

Jozzy4:
Don't be comforted, Barister07 isn't online, When he arrives you will smell your pepper.


No 2 is the meaning of Gehenna, no conscious torment exist there. This is why Jesus keep speaking of physical body in Gehenna, because that's what go there.

You who call it hell, How many physical bodies has dissapear to Hell ?

You don't know anything like I usually say

I embedded three questions, and you answered one as usual!

Let's see what the Scripture Mk9:42-48 mean
I am going to replace Hell with Municipal Refuse Dump for clarity!


Mar 9:42-48:
"And whoever shall offend one of these little ones that believe in me, it is better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he were cast into the sea.
And if your hand offend you, cut it off: it is better for you to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell Municipal Refuse Dump , into the fire that never shall be quenched: Where their worm dies not, and the fire is not quenched.
And if your foot offend you, cut it off: it is better for you to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell Municipal Refuse Dump , into the fire that never shall be quenched: Where their worm dies not, and the fire is not quenched.
And if your eye offend you, pluck it out: it is better for you to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell Municipal Refuse Dump fire: Where their worm dies not, and the fire is not quenched."

Now that I have interpreted not transliterated HELL in the scripture according to your desire!

Now, explain what Jesus was teaching? Does it even make any meaning to you?
SMH!
I wonder how people hate the truth this much!

Janosky, Jozzy4 . Come and Carry this your brother , tell him to stop replying already, he is sounding like a Nuisance

Emusan:
Answer my question first....

If you don't answer it forget about my reply.

Hypocrite!



Olodo....

You argue its a person , I said IT there refer to a thing . to solve this: I gave you a true Life scenario

Emusan, When Jesus spirit RETURN TO GOD, Was Jesus in heaven that day ?

We're talking about Matthew 10 & Luke 12 even specifically on Luke when you asked that question but look at your lying mouth spew nonsense here

Luke said God will cast something

Matthew explains BOTH Soul and Body, You are putting yourself in more problem

Lying master, this is Matthew 5, how does Matthew 5 next to Matthew 10 If not because you've been taught to lie.

Jesus statement . address it.

And Jesus statement here is about having half part of your body to make heaven is better than the whole body INTACT without heaven before you enter grave.

You can imagine the nonsense you typed above, Do u understand the nonsense you wrote above ?

Let me clarify: Jesus said its better you lose some part of your body than HAVE YOUR WHOLE BODY CASTED INTO HELL .

Emphasis on " Casted into HELL"

So contrary to your earlier lie, the body is Casted into hell.

This is different from where Jesus distinguished openly BTW the BODY and SOUL by saying

Matthew 10:28 "And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and [b] body in hell"

Luke 12:5 "But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear: Fear him, which after he hath killed hath power to cast into hell; yea, I say unto you, Fear him."[/b]

The Red part expose your lying mouth again, Do you accept body goes to Hell now ?

shadeyinka:
I embedded three questions, and you answered one as usual!

Let's see what the Scripture Mk9:42-48 mean
I am going to replace Hell with Municipal Refuse Dump for clarity!


Mar 9:42-48:
"And whoever shall offend one of these little ones that believe in me, it is better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he were cast into the sea.
And if your hand offend you, cut it off: it is better for you to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell Municipal Refuse Dump , into the fire that never shall be quenched: Where their worm dies not, and the fire is not quenched.
And if your foot offend you, cut it off: it is better for you to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell Municipal Refuse Dump , into the fire that never shall be quenched: Where their worm dies not, and the fire is not quenched.
And if your eye offend you, pluck it out: it is better for you to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell Municipal Refuse Dump fire: Where their worm dies not, and the fire is not quenched."

Now that I have interpreted not transliterated HELL in the scripture according to your desire!

Now, explain what Jesus was teaching? Does it even make any meaning to you?
SMH!
I wonder how people hate the truth this much!

The refuse dump is named Gehenna. Corpse of humans are thrown there, so does it make sense now ? Even Jesus listeners can relate.

You who say its HELL, How many people have gone to hell with their two eyes, Two hands as shown in this scripture ?

Jozzy4:
Lolzzzzzzzzzzz Emusan, will God cast body to hell ? I thought u said its soul alone. Lol

That's Mr Matthew 5 is different from Matthew 10 , I said in the beginning that this film go sweet die! Doesn't it ?

Jozzy4:
But Hades and Sheol are the same thing ?

Cc: Shadeyinka

Barristter07:
You are more robotic, The Bolded is also exactly what happen if someone is to be tormented forever, they Live forever.

If you are so sure of yourself , Go and extract the Greek word translated Eternal life in English and see if it doesn't rhyme with the Dictionary meaning.

I dare you to!

Look at how you sidestepped the tonnes of verses that explains clearly that eternal life is not what you think it is. As there is eternal life, so also is eternal punishment.

John 14:16
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

As seen above, Jesus said he is the life. And clearly, he's the life which he gives to immortal souls which makes them have eternal life. This also makes them go to the Father in heaven.

What about those who do not have Jesus?

John 3:36 King James Version (KJV)
36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

Those souls shall not see life and that is why the wrath of God abides on them. That is why there is eternal punishment.

Jesus is the life in eternal life which is given to souls who acceot him. Those who dont accept him won't have what they didn't accept. They will have the opposite which is eternal punishment. If you say they seize to exist, then what's the use for eternal punishment? Their souls are alive but without Jesus, which is why it is not eternal life they experience but eternal punishment.

Hope you now see the difference. I bet your JW indoctrination wont allow you accept the truth.

alBHAGDADI:
Look at how you sidestepped the tonnes of verses that explains clearly that eternal life is not what you think it is. As there is eternal life, so also is eternal punishment.

John 14:16
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

As seen above, Jesus said he is the life. And clearly, he's the life which he gives to immortal souls which makes them have eternal life. This also makes them go to the Father in heaven.

What about those who do not have Jesus?

John 3:36 King James Version (KJV)
36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

Those souls shall not see life and that is why the wrath of God abides on them. That is why there is eternal punishment.

Jesus is the life in eternal life which is given to souls who acceot him. Those who dont accept him won't have what they didn't accept. They will have the opposite which is eternal punishment. If you say they seize to exist, then what's the use for eternal punishment? Their souls are alive but without Jesus, which is why it is not eternal life they experience but eternal punishment.

Hope you now see the difference. I bet your JW indoctrination wont allow you accept the truth.

A child that hasn't come into the world is non existence, HASN'T see LIFE.

If you really believe that John 3:36, how can You say someone doesn't see Life if they are ALIVE ?

Barristter07:
A child that hasn't come into the world is non existence, HASN'T see LIFE.

If you really believe that John 3:36, how can You say someone doesn't see Life if they are ALIVE ?

Funny man. Your blindness is quite demonic, that's why you can't see despite tonnes of scriptures placed before you.

A non-existent person is not existing. Once they are born, they get life. What makes you foolish is that you think the life they get is the same Jesus is promising his believers.

Look fool, the life they get is prone to sin and death (the Bible defines death as spirit separating from the body). But if they died in Jesus, then they get eternal life which gives them a spiritual body not prone to weakness, death nor sin.

Do you now see that eternal life is different from life during birth? That why Jesus said those who don't believe in him shall not see that life which would have given them access to have heaven and a spiritual body devoid of weakness, death and sin.

John 3:36 King James Version (KJV)
36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

Barristter07:
You argue its a person , I said IT there refer to a thing . to solve this: I gave you a true Life scenario

I said "IT" was use for Jesus, John the Baptist

Does that mean they are not a person.

For the last time, answer my question first! IF NOT YOUR RANTING WILL CONTINUE.

When Jesus spirit RETURN TO GOD, Was Jesus in heaven that day ?

Answer my question first!

Luke said God will cast something

Matthew explains BOTH Soul and Body, You are putting yourself in more problem

Idiot why didn't you emphasis on the key point of Luke which is "AFTER HE KILLED"?

It's evident that both Matthew and Luke talked about what man and God can do to the BODY but what only God can do after the Body is gone.

Jesus statement . address it.

You can imagine the nonsense you typed above, Do u understand the nonsense you wrote above¿

Let me clarify: Jesus said its better you lose some part of your body than HAVE YOUR WHOLE BODY CASTED INTO HELL .

Emphasis on " Casted into HELL"

So contrary to your earlier lie, the body is Casted into hell.

Your ignorance is alarming!

Jesus Christ said "man can kill the body but CAN'T KILL THE SOUL"

Why would Jesus differentiate between BODY and SOUL if the two are the same?

The Red part expose your lying mouth again, Do you accept body goes to Hell now ?

If not because your ignorance so rich in color

Mark emphasized more on the subject matter "Mark 9:43 And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, [u]into the fire that never shall be quenched:" KJV[/b]

The first @underlined was talking about the BODY, yet you're claiming BODY can't go to heaven.

The second @underlined talked about FIRE THAT NEVER SHALL BE QUENCHED

Even your corrupted translation can't remove that part from the scripture.

You no well

alBHAGDADI:
Funny man. Your blindness is quite demonic, that's why you can't see despite tonnes of scriptures placed before you.

A non-existent person is not existing. Once they are born, they get life. What makes you foolish is that you think the life they get is the same Jesus is promising his believers.

Every living person has LIFE .

" for by him we have LIFE and move and exist " Act 17:28 .

Once you can move and Exist, you have LIFE

Save that scripture!

You don enter one chance.

Look fool, the life they get is prone to sin and death (the Bible defines death as spirit separating from the body). But if they died in Jesus, then they get eternal life which gives them a spiritual body not prone to weakness, death nor sin.

No, you don't have sense, they have LIFe but it's Temporary ...not everlasting, death can make them non existence again.

But Jesus came to offer a permanent Life

Do you now see that eternal life is different from life during birth? That why Jesus said those who don't believe in him shall not see that life which would have given them access to have heaven and a spiritual body devoid of weakness, death and sin.

John 3:36 King James Version (KJV)
36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life ; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

Act 17:28, someone that doesn't have LIFE , Does not exist !

Barristter07:
You no well

Every living person has LIFE .

" for by him we have LIFE and move and exist " Act 17:28 .

Once you can move and Exist, you have LIFE

Save that scripture!

But that life is prone to sickness, weakness, sin and death. A life without all of that is eternal life which is what Jesus promised.

You don enter one chance.

No, you don't have sense, they have LIFe but it's Temporary ...not everlasting, death can make them non existence again.

But Jesus came to offer a permanent Life
Act 17:28, someone that doesn't have LIFE , Does not exist !

Sorry dude, death doesn't make them non-existent again. If that were the case, Abel won't still be speaking today.

Hebrews 11:4 King James Version (KJV)
4 By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts: and by it he being dead yet speaketh.

Emusan:
I said "IT" was use for Jesus, John the Baptist

Does that mean they are not a person.

For the last time, answer my question first! IF NOT YOUR RANTING WILL CONTINUE.

A wise Person should have dropped his reference.

Both persons you mentioned are Fully Grown Humans. so are persons!

Is the spirit of man which RETURN TO GOD a Person ? Let's verify this !

Answer my question first!




Idiot why didn't you emphasis on the key point of Luke which is "AFTER HE KILLED"?

It's evident that both Matthew and Luke talked about what man and God can do to the BODY but what only God can do after the Body is gone.




Your ignorance is alarming!

Jesus Christ said "man can kill the body but CAN'T KILL THE SOUL"

Why would Jesus differentiate between BODY and SOUL if the two are the same?

Why would Jesus mention BODY IN HELL ( KJV) AGAIN ? If you are correct!

yeye dey smell o

If not because your ignorance so rich in color

Mark emphasized more on the subject matter "Mark 9:43 And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, [u]into the fire that never shall be quenched:" KJV[/b]

The first @underlined was talking about the BODY, yet you're claiming BODY can't go to heaven.

Did Jesus mention heaven ?

The second @underlined talked about FIRE THAT NEVER SHALL BE QUENCHED

Even your corrupted translation can't remove that part from the scripture.

And he said WHOLE BODY in that Hell, do you agree with him ?

alBHAGDADI:
But that life is prone to sickness, weakness, sin and death. A life without all of that is eternal life which is what Jesus promised.



Sorry dude, death doesn't make them non-existent again. If that were the case, Abel won't still be speaking today.

Hebrews 11:4 King James Version (KJV)
4 By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts: and by it he being dead yet speaketh.

Do those living on earth today HAve LIFE or not ?

alBHAGDADI:
But that life is prone to sickness, weakness, sin and death. A life without all of that is eternal life which is what Jesus promised.



Sorry dude, death doesn't make them non-existent again. If that were the case, Abel won't still be speaking today.

Hebrews 11:4 King James Version (KJV)
4 By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts: and by it he being dead yet speaketh.

Since you admit everlasting life is a life without death, if someone exist forever in hell , Didn't they have a Never ending LIFE ?

Anyone who exist , Has LIFE .

Act 17:28

Non existence is the opposite of Life.

Barristter07:
Janosky, Jozzy4 . Come and Carry this your brother , tell him to stop replying already, he is sounding like a Nuisance



You argue its a person , I said IT there refer to a thing . to solve this: I gave you a true Life scenario

Emusan, When Jesus spirit RETURN TO GOD, Was Jesus in heaven that day ?



Luke said God will cast something

Matthew explains BOTH Soul and Body, You are putting yourself in more problem



Jesus statement . address it.



You can imagine the nonsense you typed above, Do u understand the nonsense you wrote above ?

Let me clarify: Jesus said its better you lose some part of your body than HAVE YOUR WHOLE BODY CASTED INTO HELL .

Emphasis on " Casted into HELL"

So contrary to your earlier lie, the body is Casted into hell.



The Red part expose your lying mouth again, Do you accept body goes to Hell now ?

Emusan is a confuse person.

Emusan:
I said "IT" was use for Jesus, John the Baptist

Does that mean they are not a person.

For the last time, answer my question first! IF NOT YOUR RANTING WILL CONTINUE.



Answer my question first!

hahahaha Fear dey catch una . las las u will answer that question

Idiot why didn't you emphasis on the key point of Luke which is "AFTER HE KILLED"?

It's evident that both Matthew and Luke talked about what man and God can do to the BODY but what only God can do after the Body is gone.

Don't be a zombie, He still went ahead to mention Body in hell again! Are u bl.Ind?
He would have mention soul alone, he said both soul and body in hell . telling you that body was casted too

Your ignorance is alarming!

Jesus Christ said "man can kill the body but CAN'T KILL THE SOUL"

Why would Jesus differentiate between BODY and SOUL if the two are the same?



If not because your ignorance so rich in color

Mark emphasized more on the subject matter "Mark 9:43 And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell , [u]into the fire that never shall be quenched:" KJV[/b]

The first @underlined was talking about the BODY, yet you're claiming BODY can't go to heaven.

The second @underlined talked about FIRE THAT NEVER SHALL BE QUENCHED

Even your corrupted translation can't remove that part from the scripture.

So how many Dead people have went to Hell with their two hands ?

Barristter07:
The refuse dump is named Gehenna. Corpse of humans are thrown there, so does it make sense now ? Even Jesus listeners can relate.

You who say its HELL, How many people have gone to hell with their two eyes, Two hands as shown in this scripture ?

The rich man not only went with his arms and legs, he went with his tongue!

I have quoted the Scripture below to suit your beliefs: please tell me what Jesus was teaching there:


Let's see what the Scripture Mk9:42-48 mean
I am going to replace Hell with Municipal Refuse Dump (where corpse are dumped) for clarity!


Mar 9:42-48:
"And whoever shall offend one of these little ones that believe in me, it is better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he were cast into the sea.
And if your hand offend you, cut it off: it is better for you to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell Municipal Refuse Dump , into the fire that never shall be quenched: Where their worm dies not, and the fire is not quenched.
And if your foot offend you, cut it off: it is better for you to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell Municipal Refuse Dump , into the fire that never shall be quenched: Where their worm dies not, and the fire is not quenched.
And if your eye offend you, pluck it out: it is better for you to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell Municipal Refuse Dump fire: Where their worm dies not, and the fire is not quenched."

Now that I have interpreted not transliterated HELL in the scripture according to your desire!

Now, explain what Jesus was teaching? Does it even make any meaning to you?
SMH!
I wonder how people hate the truth this much!

shadeyinka:
I embedded three questions, and you answered one as usual!

Let's see what the Scripture Mk9:42-48 mean
I am going to replace Hell with Municipal Refuse Dump for clarity!


Mar 9:42-48:
"And whoever shall offend one of these little ones that believe in me, it is better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he were cast into the sea.
And if your hand offend you, cut it off: it is better for you to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell Municipal Refuse Dump , into the fire that never shall be quenched: Where their worm dies not, and the fire is not quenched.
And if your foot offend you, cut it off: it is better for you to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell Municipal Refuse Dump , into the fire that never shall be quenched: Where their worm dies not, and the fire is not quenched.
And if your eye offend you, pluck it out: it is better for you to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell Municipal Refuse Dump fire: Where their worm dies not, and the fire is not quenched."

Now that I have interpreted not transliterated HELL in the scripture according to your desire!

Now, explain what Jesus was teaching? Does it even make any meaning to you?
SMH!
I wonder how people hate the truth this much!

You don't have sense o, its like slotting " Jehovah is Salvation " whenever the name Jesus appear because that its meaning. how will that make sense ?

You are the one who claimed this verses prove hell, then justify the presence of Hands and Legs?
Why bury those parts for people , why not cast them to hell ?

shadeyinka:
The rich man not only went with his arms and legs, he went with his tongue!

I have quoted the Scripture below to suit your beliefs: please tell me what Jesus was teaching there:


Let's see what the Scripture Mk9:42-48 mean
I am going to replace Hell with Municipal Refuse Dump (where corpse are dumped) for clarity!


Mar 9:42-48:
"And whoever shall offend one of these little ones that believe in me, it is better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he were cast into the sea.
And if your hand offend you, cut it off: it is better for you to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell Municipal Refuse Dump , into the fire that never shall be quenched: Where their worm dies not, and the fire is not quenched.
And if your foot offend you, cut it off: it is better for you to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell Municipal Refuse Dump , into the fire that never shall be quenched: Where their worm dies not, and the fire is not quenched.
And if your eye offend you, pluck it out: it is better for you to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell Municipal Refuse Dump fire: Where their worm dies not, and the fire is not quenched."

Now that I have interpreted not transliterated HELL in the scripture according to your desire!

Now, explain what Jesus was teaching? Does it even make any meaning to you?
SMH!
I wonder how people hate the truth this much!

The rich man went with his Tongue Hahahaha

So how many corpse have went to hell with their bodies o ? ? ?

alBHAGDADI:
Your question has no context.

It does , answer it : Is the rich man present Bodily ?

To prove your lie of soul went first wrong

alBHAGDADI:
Yeye dey smell

This one has been slammed by a truckload of truth that he couldn't debate against. He's now here saying what Paul never said.

Same Paul in Romans 4 spoke of how Abraham's faith is what makes one righteous and that faith gets eternal life according to the Bible's most popular verse John 3:16.

Hebrew 11:39 should give you sense . next time you won't say nonsense. They did not receive any promise despite their faith.