MuttleyLaff:

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OP shifted from "Jesus was never in confrontation with the Pharisees" and changed position to "His first problem with the Pharisees was in Matthew 9 and Mark 2". Now OP doesnt need a gofer to speak for him/her or represent him/her, neither do I intend to continue engaging with a third party or alter ego ID

Dangling of irrelevant facts doesn't move me. Plus I am not OP but a follower of a simple thread you are trying so hard to derail with your usual attitude.

Sibrah:
Dangling of irrelevant facts doesn't move me.

"For a time is coming when people will no longer listen to sound and wholesome teaching. They will follow their own desires and will look for teachers who will tell them whatever their itching ears want to hear."
- 2 Timothy 4:3

Sibrah:
Plus I am not OP but a follower of a simple thread you are trying so hard to derail with your usual attitude.

"The easiest way to save and restore people is through love and not by attacks."
- Re: Cultism, The Spiritual Consequences And Deliverance Through Christ by EnthronedbyGod: 10:42pm On Jul 27

"Why didnt Jesus then try to save and restore the Pharisees, the Scribes, teachers of law, Sadducees etcetera through love and not incessant attacks, hmm?"
- Re: Cultism, The Spiritual Consequences And Deliverance Through Christ by MuttleyLaff: 10:58pm On Jul 27

You're correct, you arent OP, but just a "fan", so why dont you just back off, and leave OP to either account for himself/herself or keep his/her distance as already done before you took it upon yourself to poke nose in, hmm?

MuttleyLaff:
Let me ask you a question. Do you also call an animal rights activitist an animal, hmm?
I am not saying more than asking that one and only question, because as you already know, I have been relieved of that work and no more have the liberty to talk about that subject or make comments on the matter

YHWH Almighty says Humans shd not lay with beast as to humans. Nevertheless, ungodly people possessed by satan are laying with animals,a and they are the animal lovers who wld rather adopt, feed, and care for Animals rather than Children who dying all over the world from hunger. They'd rather Will their money to Dogs and Cats rather than orphanages. We know that these person have sex with those animals or possess them for satanic purposes.

They are the ones propagating abortion rights, they are the ones who are against people eating meat. Even when it is clearly stated that animals are created for Humans as food.

But I have not seen or heard that they are activists who campaign for the rights of men who have sex with animals.
But I see you. You whom I loved, you whom I highly esteemed and looked up to in this forum as an upright Christian, Campaigning for homosexuals.

If you were doing it keeping the Hallowed Word of God out of it, it'd ve been tolerable, but you with rigor try to bend, twist, lie, manipulate the Sacred Word of God to justify this Sin.

MuttleyLaff, You know quite well that Sex is Worship, and you know there are two kinds of sex patterns. God instituted one and commands that we His people shd not engage in the other.

But you brazenly said God approves homosexuality and see nothing wrong with a man laying with another man even when it is clear stated 'Thou shall not Lay with a fellow man as with a woman'. You are bold enough to say the Word means something else from what is states clearly.

If you know how my heart bleeds anytime I read you saying those things. . It were better you recanted Christ completely and become a barefaced satanist, than keep calling yourself a Christian yet a homosexualist. Oh my God!!!!!

Who is to say you will not begin Campaigning for the rights of Beastials anytime soon? After all they are not harming another person by their acts.

You keep using the word 'consensual' like it will make the sin right. Two ungodly people consensually commiting sin doesn't make the sin right. Adulterers and fornicators who are adults consensually having sex does not make the act less sinful.

You succeeded in deceiving me that you were my brother. But that deceiving spirit has now been exposed.
Begone satan. Not you Muttleylaff, I'm referring to the seducing spirit possessing you.

I will not say more to you about this.

MuttleyLaff:
"For a time is coming when people will no longer listen to sound and wholesome teaching. They will follow their own desires and will look for teachers who will tell them whatever their itching ears want to hear."
- 2 Timothy 4:3

"The easiest way to save and restore people is through love and not by attacks."
- Re: Cultism, The Spiritual Consequences And Deliverance Through Christ by EnthronedbyGod: 10:42pm On Jul 27

"Why didnt Jesus then try to save and restore the Pharisees, the Scribes, teachers of law, Sadducees etcetera through love and not incessant attacks, hmm?"
- Re: Cultism, The Spiritual Consequences And Deliverance Through Christ by MuttleyLaff: 10:58pm On Jul 27

You're correct, you arent OP, but just a "fan", so why dont you just back off, and leave OP to either account for himself/herself or keep his/her distance as already done before you took it upon yourself to poke nose in, hmm?

It's amazing how you of all people can quote 2 Tim 4:3
You can't see that the scripture is talking about you?

MuttleyLaff:

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OP shifted from "Jesus was never in confrontation with the Pharisees" and changed position to "His first problem with the Pharisees was in Matthew 9 and Mark 2". Now OP doesnt need a gofer to speak for him/her or represent him/her, neither do I intend to continue engaging with a third party or alter ego ID

MuttleyLaff:
"For a time is coming when people will no longer listen to sound and wholesome teaching. They will follow their own desires and will look for teachers who will tell them whatever their itching ears want to hear."
- 2 Timothy 4:3

"The easiest way to save and restore people is through love and not by attacks."
- Re: Cultism, The Spiritual Consequences And Deliverance Through Christ by EnthronedbyGod: 10:42pm On Jul 27

"Why didnt Jesus then try to save and restore the Pharisees, the Scribes, teachers of law, Sadducees etcetera through love and not incessant attacks, hmm?"
- Re: Cultism, The Spiritual Consequences And Deliverance Through Christ by MuttleyLaff: 10:58pm On Jul 27

You're correct, you arent OP, but just a "fan", so why dont you just back off, and leave OP to either account for himself/herself or keep his/her distance as already done before you took it upon yourself to poke nose in, hmm?

Musiwa of religious section.

Please you guys should try as much as possible to ignore this muttley guy, cos you guys are indirectly helping him to derail this thread by giving him the attention he doesn't deserve.

I know it's difficult to ignore people especially when being attacked, but it's worth it.

The Bible says answer not a fool according to his folly.

Stop giving him undue attention, cos people are already being pissed off.

Some guys might have genuine questions and some of us might have answers to them, but with the banter going on with this guy, such people will be discouraged.


Let's allow people that have genuine contribution to make their contribution.

God bless

EnthronedbyGod:



I don't agree with this statement.
The scriptures say in Colossians that He is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.

If He is the head and the first born from the dead, that means we are His body and also His brethren.
The head cannot bear John while the body bears Mark. The will of God is to make Christians another version of Jesus on the earth.
The Bible also says we are His bride, when a woman married she takes up her hubby's name.
It's not blasphemy, I'm not defending Him, but I stand for the truth, regardless of who it is.

"The head cannot bear John while the body bears Mark"....going by this I think archangel Michael, Gabriel, the twenty four elders and all the host of Heaven and the church should change their names immediately because they seem to be in the wrong.......He could have used "Jesus' desciple", "Jesus' servant" etc but not "junior"......putting "junior" after the name Jesus means you share common ancestry with someone called Jesus and from the Bible we are told that Jesus is the ONLY begotten son of God. Can you call yourself "God junior"?......you made mention of us being brethren of Jesus. Please where does it say in the scriptures that we are the brethren(brothers) of christ?....if indeed we are the "brothers" of Jesus that means He is not the only begotten son of God, and you know the implications of that right?........No man can take the name of God in vain and be guiltless, no man should personalize the name of God as that would be blasphemy.......the problem of we humans is that we abuse familiarity, the coming of christ to reveal God to us should not be used as an avenue to abuse the name of God.....can you go to aso rock and say you are "GCFR Buhari jrn" and not be arrested for impersonation?

"The will of God is to make Christians another VERSION of Jesus"....are you sure of this statement?....The Jesus of the scriptures is a limited edition masterpiece of God in man....only one unit exists therefore any other "version" is a counterfeit and not of God.

"When a woman is married, she takes up her hubby's name"......if Kate marries John, would she be called "John jrn"?.......

God called Abraham His friend, does it mean Abraham ate, drank and laughed with God as friends are wont to do?.....It says in the scriptures "ye are Gods", does it mean we can give life and command leviathan like the most high?, in the book it says we are joint heirs with christ, does it mean we'd have our own thrones and kingdoms like christ?........In the scriptures it says Jesus gave us the power to be sons of God, does it mean we are now "versions" of the only begotten Son of God?.....as you know, those who exalt themselves will be thrown down.....Let us in wisdom leave the name of God for God alone.
Peace.

EnthronedbyGod:



You only took one part of Paul's epistles.
Paul actually said you should try to admonish such person more than once , before rejecting



1st Timothy 6: 3-5 ( If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness;

4 He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings,

5 Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself)

Titus 3: 9- 10-( But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain.

10 A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject)

You are most certainly right. However, how many times do you think jesusjnr has been admonished on this platform? I would say ten times out of modesty.

I believe in my heart he has encountered similar admonishing outside social media. It shows all over him. The content of a man's heart will show itself in his character. And his "teachings" certainly do not agree with the spirit of the gospel. Let's face it, the young man probably doesn't even have a Christian body he fellowships with. Because he perceives himself higher and better at the very least on par with almost any other Christian.

People like this will open a "Church" tomorrow and say it is the only recognizable place of worship from Heaven. You and I know these things. You know how it plays out. I do not believe in TB Joshua and I would not step feet in his "Church" considering what I have come to understand about that "ministry". You certainly don't believe in TB Joshua too. And you won't attend that church of your own free will. Why?

Because you know what he is. Did you sit down and admonish TB Joshua twice before you stear clear of him?

I don't know jesusjnr outside this forum. I want to assume you don't too. There are people we will never meet physically in this world till we all depart. If we are to determine based on the interactions of this forum, jesusjnr fits the bill of 1Timothy 6:3-5.

I have a young man I know in person who is being confused by false teachings. I have admonished him more than twice but I have not given up. I pray for him and still sent someone to him. Why am I doing this? Because he is willing to learn, he is trying to discover what the truth is. I can see the struggle within him to find a right path. We disagree but he is still meek, open, trusting the spirit of God and searching the Bible.

Jesusjnr is different. He is not meek, not open and blatantly disregards the word of God. He preaches falsehood and division. And he is obviously under the power of deceiving spirits. You can only interceede for someone like this. You can't keep up association with someone like this.

michaelkaroh:

"The head cannot bear John while the body bears Mark"....going by this I think archangel Michael, Gabriel, the twenty four elders and all the host of Heaven and the church should change their names immediately because they seem to be in the wrong.......He could have used "Jesus' desciple", "Jesus' servant" etc but not "junior"......putting "junior" after the name Jesus means you share common ancestry with someone called Jesus and from the Bible we are told that Jesus is the ONLY begotten son of God. Can you call yourself "God junior"?......you made mention of us being brethren of Jesus. Please where does it say in the scriptures that we are the brethren(brothers) of christ?....if indeed we are the "brothers" of Jesus that means He is not the only begotten son of God, and you know the implications of that right?........No man can take the name of God in vain and be guiltless, no man should personalize the name of God as that would be blasphemy.......the problem of we humans is that we abuse familiarity, the coming of christ to reveal God to us should not be used as an avenue to abuse the name of God.....can you go to aso rock and say you are "GCFR Buhari jrn" and not be arrested for impersonation?

"The will of God is to make Christians another VERSION of Jesus"....are you sure of this statement?....The Jesus of the scriptures is a limited edition masterpiece of God in man....only one unit exists therefore any other "version" is a counterfeit and not of God.

"When a woman is married, she takes up her hubby's name"......if Kate marries John, would she be called "John jrn"?.......

God called Abraham His friend, does it mean Abraham ate, drank and laughed with God as friends are wont to do?.....It says in the scriptures "ye are Gods", does it mean we can give life and command leviathan like the most high?, in the book it says we are joint heirs with christ, does it mean we'd have our own thrones and kingdoms like christ?........In the scriptures it says Jesus gave us the power to be sons of God, does it mean we are now "versions" of the only begotten Son of God?.....as you know, those who exalt themselves will be thrown down.....Let us in wisdom leave the name of God for God alone.
Peace.

Indeed we are heirs with Christ and even brethren but I think Jesus being the only begotten son of God means he is the one not created same way as us. Remember before God created man He said, "let us create man in our own image" The "us" in that statement I believe includes Jesus so Jesus wasn't created like us but begotten. We can be sons of God also but not the begotten son.
I also think that moniker may have been borne out of pride.

EnthronedbyGod:



I don't agree with this statement.
The scriptures say in Colossians that He is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.

If He is the head and the first born from the dead, that means we are His body and also His brethren.
The head cannot bear John while the body bears Mark. The will of God is to make Christians another version of Jesus on the earth.
The Bible also says we are His bride, when a woman marries she takes up her hubby's name.
It's not blasphemy, I'm not defending Him, but I stand for the truth, regardless of who it is.

@EnthronedbyGod I believe nobody here is interested in defending anybody or taking sides. The only side that matters is that of God and of His revealed will which is the Bible.

Having said that, I understand very well and agree with what you have expounded here. However, I think you did not fully get what @michaelkaroh intended. I can see his point.

When you say God desires to make us another version of Jesus I understand because Galatians 4:19 says "My little children, of whom I travail in birth again until CHRIST be FORMED IN YOU". God desires to change us to the image of His son Jesus. And we have been given His authority through His name to enforce on earth.

2Corinthians 3:18 says: But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same IMAGE from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.

OF course we don't become Christ in entirety. Its like a Metaphor and a Simile. That's the point of the word "Christian". We are lIKE HIM. In expression. We don't become HIM in form because we are flesh and he was both God and flesh. We are to raise the dead LIKe he did, cast out demons like he did, love like he did and live in victory like he did. In that way @michaelkaroh, we ARE like him. Married to him makes us members of his family.

But the way Jesusjnr uses the pseudonym " jesusjnr " in the light of his words and "teachings" I do not think it is with the foregoing in mind. You must realize @EnthronedbyGod that individuals who a possess a god and infallible complex practically arrogate to themselves the nature, attributes and abilities of what they claim they serve.

Every Christian is truly a Junior Jesus. But jesusjnr thinks he IS becoming A Jesus.

CodeTemplar:
Indeed we are heirs with Christ and even brethren but I think Jesus being the only begotten son of God means he is the one not created same way as us. Remember before God created man He said, "let us create man in our own image" The "us" in that statement I believe includes Jesus so Jesus wasn't created like us but begotten. We can be sons of God also but not the begotten son.
I also think that moniker may have been borne out of pride.

My brother, please when you talk about spiritual things, try to always fall in line with God. We are not brethren with God(Jesus). Let us not expose ourselves to the accusations of Satan. As per your last sentence, that is exactly my point.

Jesus jnr is just a moniker.
It doesn't mean anything, neither does it fully reflect anything about the bearer. Let's put sentiment aside.

OCTAVO:
Jesus jnr is just a moniker.
It doesn't mean anything, neither does it fully reflect anything about the bearer. Let's put sentiment aside.

Have you viewed the content of his posts?

Hello sir....I am not new here and I had to create this new identity to hide myself..

I have silently followed you from the thread created by #saynotocultism# down here and some other thread you have created as well..

But this your comment here got me.....I did join so called buccaneers(do you know this bastard feed their so called ini with human flesh??....And yet they all go about shouting fine boy and all(SMH)....If only they know how satanic this is.), dabbled into so many dark stuff and was living on a fast lane...I was going through the same face of been attacked spiritually and I was loosing my mind.....Pastors will conduct deliverance and yet the attack persist....Mine was even worse cuz I was gaslighted, hearing voices and all that...Then I became very suspicious of everybody even up till now.....

Before all this I had rebelled against the peeps in the hierarchy of the useless buccaneer in my area cuz I felt suffocated , cheated and the whole things wasn't just making any sense to me.... I was sent a live demon shapeshfting to a lady with a black flowing attire with a white anchor boldly imprinted on it....appearing and disappearing right in front of me..!!...No jokes here...coming to harass me at home and all that....So to those been deceived with the fine boy...alora and whatever..... Buccaneer is the very very satanic!!!!.....Be warned!!

So I locked myself in for about 3 days without tasting anything and I was just thinking....why me?? Cuz it would seem the whole world was against me...There and then something told me why not go to YouTube and search for Dr. Olukoya...You have to stand up and fight....And that was it.....I downloaded loads of messages from him and immediately I started praying I started seeing signs.....I was encircled but by and large the gathering begin to scatter..

Whenever I chose to fast and pray I always receive a great sign like sudden falling of rain just after I round up my prayers....Even my own mother feeling so so uncomfortable and telling me to stop fasting...The prayer is disturbing her and the likes..

But now my issue is I have had different people call me man of God when I am not(in the real sense of it).....I mean strangers , bike man, even a pastor telling me he saw a church Bell in my hand.....Now my issue is getting it right spiritually like getting to speak in tongues, getting the full baptism of the holy spirit and tying to get hold of my dream life as there is a lot of satanic manipulation going on there......

I have fought countless battles in my dream shooting people I don't even know.....I have had dreams conducting deliverance for people...I have had dreams and saw the likes of baba adeboye, prophet Hezekiah of CAC and the likes..But I really need to be sure of what God purpose is for my life....Please I will need your help on this sir.

I may have to send you a dm here if further clarification is needed but there is need for me to get your attention on this thread first..

You are truly God sent to deliver his people from satanic stranglehold.

Thanks and God bless.

EnthronedbyGod:




As a young Christian I had a lot of attacks after I gave my life to Christ.
I was taken to almost all the great men of God in Nigeria, yet my problem got worse.

I decided to seek God's face and He gave me a specific passage- Except a corn of wheat falls and dies it abides alone. He told me I have to pray my way out, that the challenges were to form the image of Christ in me.


I used to use prayer booklets till God told me to stop it , I asked why and He said to whom much is given much is expected.

I asked how then should I pray , He said pray in the Spirit( speak in tongues).

He said my grace is made perfect in weakness.

It's only by grace, and also by speaking in tongues, you can't do that by praying in your understanding.

michaelkaroh:

My brother, please when you talk about spiritual things, try to always fall in line with God. We are not brethren with God(Jesus). Let us not expose ourselves to the accusations of Satan. As per your last sentence, that is exactly my point.

OK maybe not brethren. I think I got that part wrong.

CodeTemplar:
Have you viewed the content of his posts?

Yes, I know he has posted lots of controversial topics. But I'm talking about the moniker, anyone can choose any moniker they like. For instance, I can choose to oepn a NL account with "Pastor", this does not mean I have the attributes of a Pastor, neither does it translate to being a Pastor in real life. It's just a moniker.

EnthronedbyGod:
Please you guys should try as much as possible to ignore this muttley guy, cos you guys are indirectly helping him to derail this thread by giving him the attention he doesn't deserve.

Stop humouring yourself about "indirectly helping him to derail this thread"

Advances are made by answering questions. It doesnt end there, because discoveries will be made from questioning answers.

People who should be spiritually mature and ready to answer hard questions, but some aren't spiritually mature and so aren't ready to answer hard questions. They're ready to blacken whoever puts them on the spot by asking hard questions.

EnthronedbyGod:
I know it's difficult to ignore people especially when being attacked, but it's worth it.

It is only a self conceited person, who will perceive that he is being attacked

EnthronedbyGod:
The Bible says answer not a fool according to his folly.

This is a tactless and unneccesary remark because I am not sure who the alluded fool is that meant for

EnthronedbyGod:
Stop giving him undue attention, cos people are already being pissed off.

Your people are pissed off because their itchy ears are not getting the sensationalised mass-produced dross you're feeding them and they began coming out of the woodwork because they felt their sacred cow was being stepped on.

EnthronedbyGod:
Some guys might have genuine questions and some of us might have answers to them, but with the banter going on with this guy, such people will be discouraged

You really think I have time to spare having banters, and especially have banter with strangers, hmm?

EnthronedbyGod:
Let's allow people that have genuine contribution to make their contribution.

God bless

You spoke/talked/typed out of turn, but your unjustified certitude that you're right, when you were told you're wrong is astonishing. Yours answer(s) wasnt even matching the frame of the question(s). Of course you don't want my response(s) because you know, it just might discredit your opinionated argument(s), but you fail to realise that a candle loses nothing by lighting another candle. I would rather have questions that can't be answered, than answers that can't be questioned.

A wise man can learn more from a question, even if its a foolish question, than a conceited person can learn from a wise answer.

Liquidwords:


@EnthronedbyGod I believe nobody here is interested in defending anybody or taking sides. The only side that matters is that of God and of His revealed will which is the Bible.

Having said that, I understand very well and agree with what you have expounded here. However, I think you did not fully get what @michaelkaroh intended. I can see his point.

When you say God desires to make us another version of Jesus I understand because Galatians 4:19 says "My little children, of whom I travail in birth again until CHRIST be FORMED IN YOU". God desires to change us to the image of His son Jesus. And we have been given His authority through His name to enforce on earth.

2Corinthians 3:18 says: But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same IMAGE from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.

OF course we don't become Christ in entirety. Its like a Metaphor and a Simile. That's the point of the word "Christian". We are lIKE HIM. In expression. We don't become HIM in form because we are flesh and he was both God and flesh. We are to raise the dead LIKe he did, cast out demons like he did, love like he did and live in victory like he did. In that way @michaelkaroh, we ARE like him. Married to him makes us members of his family.

But the way Jesusjnr uses the pseudonym " jesusjnr " in the light of his words and "teachings" I do not think it is with the foregoing in mind. You must realize @EnthronedbyGod that individuals who a possess a god and infallible complex practically arrogate to themselves the nature, attributes and abilities of what they claim they serve.

Every Christian is truly a Junior Jesus. But jesusjnr thinks he IS becoming A Jesus.

I think what we are not understanding here is WHO Jesus is. Jesus is the everlasting father, a mighty God, He alone has seen the face of God.....He is God. Nothing in Heaven or on earth was made without him, The Holy Spirit goes in the name of Jesus, in Him is the seven spirits of God, the 24 elders of Heaven fall before Him.
So my brother, can you say you are a junior God?

Let me address some of your points, Christ being formed in us simply means we take on his CHARACTER and therefore we become godly, living according to the spirit and not the flesh. It doesn't mean we become a version of Him else we'd become tributaries of the divine and that, as you know is BLASPHEMY....
We can do all things through Christ, it doesn't mean we are like Him....we can heal the sick, raise the dead etc, but we'd still not be like him, whatever we do, we do in his power therfore it is Him that does the work(s) because without Him we are nothing and that is what we truly are before Him.nothing. we are even like worms. The most high declared this in isaiah 41:14 even David in psalm 26:6.
Saying or trying to be like God is blasphemy. Don't believe me?....let us hear from lucifer isaiah14:14 "I will ascend above the heights of the cloud, I WILL BE LIKE THE MOST HIGH"...shall we now hear from the king of nations Himself? Isaiah40:18 "who IS LIKE GOD?, what IMAGE RESEMBLES GOD?".........
Man cannot be like God......that is what Satan used to deceive us from our place of rest gen3:5......ye shall BE AS gods, knowing good and evil....
My brother, let us humble ourselves before God. We should not try to be like Him but be accepted of Him. As it says "let the words of my mouth, and the meditation of my heart be acceptable in thy sight, o LORD.
Peace.

michaelkaroh:

I think what we are not understanding here is WHO Jesus is. Jesus is the everlasting father, a mighty God, He alone has seen the face of God.....He is God. Nothing in Heaven or on earth was made without him, The Holy Spirit goes in the name of Jesus, in Him is the seven spirits of God, the 24 elders of Heaven fall before Him.
So my brother, can you say you are a junior God?

Let me address some of your points, Christ being formed in us simply means we take on his CHARACTER and therefore we become godly, living according to the spirit and not the flesh. It doesn't mean we become a version of Him else we'd become tributaries of the divine and that, as you know is BLASPHEMY....
We can do all things through Christ, it doesn't mean we are like Him....we can heal the sick, raise the dead etc, but we'd still not be like him, whatever we do, we do in his power therfore it is Him that does the work(s) because without Him we are nothing and that is what we truly are before Him.nothing. we are even like worms. The most high declared this in isaiah 41:14 even David in psalm 26:6.
Saying or trying to be like God is blasphemy. Don't believe me?....let us hear from lucifer isaiah14:14 "I will ascend above the heights of the cloud, I WILL BE LIKE THE MOST HIGH"...shall we now hear from the king of nations Himself? Isaiah40:18 "who IS LIKE GOD?, what IMAGE RESEMBLES GOD?".........
Man cannot be like God......that is what Satan used to deceive us from our place of rest gen3:5......ye shall BE AS gods, knowing good and evil....
My brother, let us humble ourselves before God. We should not try to be like Him but be accepted of Him. As it says "let the words of my mouth, and the meditation of my heart be acceptable in thy sight, o LORD.
Peace.

*Sighs*

I did not say we are like the Almighty God(manifested as the Father , The Son and The Holy Spirit). Even when the Bible says " ye are gods" it is not a literal statement. We are simply vessels and conduits through which HIS power and HIS glory is manifested. It is not ours. We are simply ambassadors for Christ. In fact, no man on earth has ever carried the anointing without measure. Flesh and blood can't sustain it. Only Jesus Christ did.

Bro, everything you have explained here is valid but that is not the point I was making nor referred to. You are taking the words literally. Albeit, you actually reemphasized what I was saying.That is why I used the example of a simile and metaphor. If I say Mike is a Lion. Does it mean Mike has a tail, a mane, claws and long sharp teeth? No. It could mean Mike is strong, vicious, resilient, kingly etc.

The very word " Christian" loosely translates to "like Christ". Does it mean we should now command worlds to come from nothing or alter reality? There would be no need to pray then or read the Bible and the universe would be in chaos.

I don't see the dispute here. Even a spirit being such as Lucifer could not attain godhood how much more flesh and blood. There is nowhere in the Bible where we are encouraged to seek to become God. Even unbelievers know this basic fact. We are only to look unto Jesus as he was IN THe FLESH. We are to behave like him, and seek to do what he did ON THE EARTH(of which some of His works are even in a class). Through the same Holy Spirit he ministered with. And all IN HIS NAME. It is in this regard that the Bible encourages us to be like Him.

Stay blessed bro.

MuttleyLaff:
Stop humouring yourself about "indirectly helping him to derail this thread"

Advances are made by answering questions. It doesnt end there, because discoveries will be made from questioning answers.

People who should be spiritually mature and ready to answer hard questions, but some aren't spiritually mature and so aren't ready to answer hard questions. They're ready to blacken whoever puts them on the spot by asking hard questions.

It is only a self conceited person, who will perceive that he is being attacked

This is a tactless and unneccesary remark because I am not sure who the alluded fool is that meant for

Your people are pissed off because their itchy ears are not getting the sensationalised mass-produced dross you're feeding them and they began coming out of the woodwork because they felt their sacred cow was being stepped on.

You really think I have time to spare having banters, and especially have banter with strangers, hmm?

You spoke/talked/typed out of turn, but your unjustified certitude that you're right, when you were told you're wrong is astonishing. Yours answer(s) wasnt even matching the frame of the question(s). Of course you don't want my response(s) because you know, it just might discredit your opinionated argument(s), but you fail to realise that a candle loses nothing by lighting another candle. I would rather have questions that can't be answered, than answers that can't be questioned.

A wise man can learn more from a question, even if its a foolish question, than a conceited person can learn from a wise answer.

Give it a rest.

Liquidwords:


*Sighs*

Bro, everything you have explained here is valid but that is not the point I was making nor referred to. You are taking the words literally. That is why I used the example of a simile and metaphor. If I say Mike is a Lion. Does it mean Mike has a tail, a mane, claws and long sharp teeth? No. It could mean Mike is strong, vicious, resilient, kingly etc.

The very word " Christian" loosely translates to "like Christ". Does it mean we should now command worlds to come from nothing or alter reality? There would be no need to pray then or read the Bible and the universe would be in chaos.

I don't see the dispute here. Even a spirit being such as Lucifer could not attain godhood how much more flesh and blood. There is nowhere in the Bible where we are encouraged to seek to become God. Even unbelievers know this basic fact. We are only to look unto Jesus as he was IN THe FLESH. We are to behave like him, and seek to do what he did ON THE EARTH(of which some of His works are even in a class). Through the same Holy Spirit he ministered with. It is in this regard that the Bible encourages us to be like Him.

Stay blessed bro.

Oh...I see. Well, if you observe my reply, you'd see I responded according to the words you used and their direct meaning in this discourse. Im sorry if I offended you.
Bless you too.

michaelkaroh:

I think what we are not understanding here is WHO Jesus is. Jesus is the everlasting father, a mighty God, He alone has seen the face of God.....He is God. Nothing in Heaven or on earth was made without him, The Holy Spirit goes in the name of Jesus, in Him is the seven spirits of God, the 24 elders of Heaven fall before Him ko.
So my brother, can you say you are a junior God?

Let me address some of your points, Christ being formed in us simply means we take on his CHARACTER and therefore we become godly, living according to the spirit and not the flesh. It doesn't mean we become a version of Him else we'd become tributaries of the divine and that, as you know is BLASPHEMY....
We can do all things through Christ, it doesn't mean we are like Him....we can heal the sick, raise the dead etc, but we'd still not be like him, whatever we do, we do in his power therfore it is Him that does the work(s) because without Him we are nothing and that is what we truly are before Him.nothing. we are even like worms. The most high declared this in isaiah 41:14 even David in psalm 26:6.
Saying or trying to be like God is blasphemy. Don't believe me?....let us hear from lucifer isaiah14:14 "I will ascend above the heights of the cloud, I WILL BE LIKE THE MOST HIGH"...shall we now hear from the king of nations Himself? Isaiah40:18 "who IS LIKE GOD?, what IMAGE RESEMBLES GOD?".........
Man cannot be like God......that is what Satan used to deceive us from our place of rest gen3:5......ye shall BE AS gods, knowing good and evil....
My brother, let us humble ourselves before God. We should not try to be like Him but be accepted of Him. As it says "let the words of my mouth, and the meditation of my heart be acceptable in thy sight, o LORD.
Peace.

I wish I can like this post a thousand times.

This thread is a blessing and an opportunity to learn.

I did not desire to cause deviation or dissent.

I commented primarily to address that jesusjnr individual. Nothing more.

I believe I have said more than is necessarily.

Slipping back into silent observation. Permanently this time.

michaelkaroh:

Oh...I see. Well, if you observe my reply, you'd see I responded according to the words you used and their direct meaning in this discourse. Im sorry if I offended you.
Bless you too.

I am Most definitely NOT offended. At all. We are simply trying to learn more and more.
It's all for the greater Glory of God.

Peace Bro.

Anas09:

I wish I can like this post a thousand times.

Lol....
Bless you.

i can’t believe what am seeing here! Was this thread created because of argument. The work of God must continue here. Please brethren, don’t allow yourselves to be use by the devil to derail this thread. A brother just made a valuable testimony About cultism.

EnthronedbyGod please attend to our brother @ Godgatme. God bless you all

MuttleyLaff:
Stop humouring yourself about "indirectly helping him to derail this thread"

Advances are made by answering questions. It doesnt end there, because discoveries will be made from questioning answers.

People who should be spiritually mature and ready to answer hard questions, but some aren't spiritually mature and so aren't ready to answer hard questions. They're ready to blacken whoever puts them on the spot by asking hard questions.

It is only a self conceited person, who will perceive that he is being attacked

This is a tactless and unneccesary remark because I am not sure who the alluded fool is that meant for

Your people are pissed off because their itchy ears are not getting the sensationalised mass-produced dross you're feeding them and they began coming out of the woodwork because they felt their sacred cow was being stepped on.

You really think I have time to spare having banters, and especially have banter with strangers, hmm?

You spoke/talked/typed out of turn, but your unjustified certitude that you're right, when you were told you're wrong is astonishing. Yours answer(s) wasnt even matching the frame of the question(s). Of course you don't want my response(s) because you know, it just might discredit your opinionated argument(s), but you fail to realise that a candle loses nothing by lighting another candle. I would rather have questions that can't be answered, than answers that can't be questioned.

A wise man can learn more from a question, even if its a foolish question, than a conceited person can learn from a wise answer.

Enough already!
Go seek attention else where !
If you need answers to your confusion, you can create a thread, then maybe you might find the "answers" you seek .

michaelkaroh:

Lol....
Bless you.

God bless you sir.


I'm happy sound Christians are coming into the Religious Section again. I was afraid they are all gone.

Truly, God does not leave Himself without a witness.

Liquidwords:
This thread is a blessing and an opportunity to learn.

I did not desire to cause deviation or dissent.

I commented primarily to address that jesusjnr individual. Nothing more.

I believe I have said more than is necessarily.

Slipping back into silent observation. Permanently this time.

Bikonu, don't slip back. This place needs more of you guys.

Let's not allow the enemy claim our young ones.

You may not know the impact you make on people's lives, but you do. Pls, stay.

Anas09:

God bless you sir.


I'm happy sound Christians are coming into the Religious Section again. I was afraid they are all gone.

Truly, God does not leave Himself without a witness.

Indeed, my friend. We thank God.