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Re: Children Of "Deadbeat" Fathers. Time To Think. by Martinez39(m): 10:32am On Sep 09, 2019 |
CeterisXVII:You are a very very stupid female. Look at the first two photos below and tell me if I did not admit that there are irresponsible and bad fathers. This topic is meant for children with a certain kind of mother. If you are really concerned about irresponsible and bad fathers, what's stopping you from creating your own thread? Keep on rotting away in your echo chamber with your fellow females. In fact, tag each other and support each other, no one cares. Boys are waking up to see you females for what you really are and there is nothing your sophistry, deception and manipulation can do. I will not give you attention anymore. On issues like this, I don't and cannot expect reasoning from the female gender. Good day. 4 Likes
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Re: Children Of "Deadbeat" Fathers. Time To Think. by Martinez39(m): 10:34am On Sep 09, 2019 |
CAPSLOCKED:I will explain later. The divorce laws are tilted against men. |
Re: Children Of "Deadbeat" Fathers. Time To Think. by Martinez39(m): 10:40am On Sep 09, 2019 |
CAPSLOCKED:All of them are full of lies and manipulation. That's why I stopped responding. The other one was using lies and half truth to argue with me on marriage laws in the US and I just discarded that one. I don't put too much effort trying to explain and logically prove things to women. I don't have time. Let's them rot in their deception. 2 Likes |
Re: Children Of "Deadbeat" Fathers. Time To Think. by CeterisXVII: 10:48am On Sep 09, 2019 |
Tellemall: Thank you! You said it all, and you have said it well! 1 Like |
Re: Children Of "Deadbeat" Fathers. Time To Think. by hopefulLandlord: 10:57am On Sep 09, 2019 |
elektra: Let me shock you. if a woman rapes a man and the woman gets pregnant from the rape she perpetrated on the man. the man would still have to pay child support to the woman as though the rape was consensual 4 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Children Of "Deadbeat" Fathers. Time To Think. by Martinez39(m): 11:05am On Sep 09, 2019 |
hopefulLandlord:Thank you! I didn’t bother responding to her because I just got fed up with her manipulative arguments. She says that men have rights too but failed to mention how the system is titled to favour women. Her argument is similar to saying "Madrid defeated Granada 8 - 3 but both are still winners since Granada has goals too." I just can't be bothered to go through the stress of explaining things to her. I will let her rot in her echo chamber. 4 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Children Of "Deadbeat" Fathers. Time To Think. by CeterisXVII: 11:05am On Sep 09, 2019 |
Regiomontanus: Sorry, I had to reduce the length of your post. If a father cares for his children and shows it often, the children will not buy into that brainwashing. My neighbour's Dad, got separated from his mum, when he was 13 years old. The mum tried to alienate him from his Dad, but the boy refused because he had seen his father's love in action, many times while he was still under his father's roof. One day, his mum told him, "you are just as stubborn as your father. Don't grow up to be like him." He looked at her calmly and replied: "The fact that I am like my father, shows that I am NOT a bastard. I can only resemble the person who bore me." That was the very last day, his mum said any unkind word about his dad. As for number 5, many mothers monitor their kid's conversations with their absentee fathers, because they are scared of their children being kidnapped by such men. Two of my former colleagues were victims of this. Their ex-husbands kidnapped their children, and kept them away from their mums. In one case, the woman got her child back right at the airport, as the man attempted to take the child away. It took the intervention of the police and immigration officials, to foil his plans. Since then, the woman has remained very careful about monitoring the man's calls to the kid. The man had even remarried after leaving the child's mum, but his new wife gave birth to only girls, while my colleague's child for him was a boy. 4 Likes |
Re: Children Of "Deadbeat" Fathers. Time To Think. by Regiomontanus(m): 11:10am On Sep 09, 2019 |
CeterisXVII:I don't have time for you females. Abeg, commot for my front with your stories and tales by moonlight. Tell them to the gods. Yen yen yen yen yen yen yen. Don't you ever mention me again. Yeye dey smell. 2 Likes
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Re: Children Of "Deadbeat" Fathers. Time To Think. by Martinez39(m): 11:14am On Sep 09, 2019 |
@regiomontanus Lol.
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Re: Children Of "Deadbeat" Fathers. Time To Think. by Martinez39(m): 11:22am On Sep 09, 2019 |
Nice to someone handling a woman the way a man ought to. No time for nonsense. Let them rot in their echo chamber. Good one Regiomontanus! 3 Likes |
Re: Children Of "Deadbeat" Fathers. Time To Think. by CeterisXVII: 11:25am On Sep 09, 2019 |
Martinez39: Oga, you added a two line disclaimer later, after spending over 20 lines to vilify women, in a largely one-sided diatribe. And you expect people to believe you are objective? I laugh....in Cantonese. 6 Likes |
Re: Children Of "Deadbeat" Fathers. Time To Think. by CeterisXVII: 11:28am On Sep 09, 2019 |
Regiomontanus: 3 Likes
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Re: Children Of "Deadbeat" Fathers. Time To Think. by Regiomontanus(m): 11:29am On Sep 09, 2019 |
Martinez39:Boss, you are welcome. No time! 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Children Of "Deadbeat" Fathers. Time To Think. by Martinez39(m): 11:32am On Sep 09, 2019 |
Regiomontanus:Correct guy. No time! |
Re: Children Of "Deadbeat" Fathers. Time To Think. by DeeMain(m): 11:39am On Sep 09, 2019 |
Starboytwo: Damn, your story shook me and triggered a tear! |
Re: Children Of "Deadbeat" Fathers. Time To Think. by KanuSE: 1:51pm On Sep 09, 2019 |
DeeMain: Men were caught sleeping, if you know what I mean... |
Re: Children Of "Deadbeat" Fathers. Time To Think. by DevilhimseIf: 2:07pm On Sep 09, 2019 |
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Re: Children Of "Deadbeat" Fathers. Time To Think. by Nobody: 2:56pm On Sep 09, 2019 |
Regiomontanus: These is the funniest reply I have read today |
Re: Children Of "Deadbeat" Fathers. Time To Think. by elektra(f): 4:01pm On Sep 09, 2019 |
hopefulLandlord: Nobody is shocked here. It goes both ways. If a man rapes a woman and she gets pregnant, in some states she is required to go through with the pregnancy. Family courts always advocates for what is BEST FOR THE CHILD. They are not in the business of gender wars. 1 Like |
Re: Children Of "Deadbeat" Fathers. Time To Think. by hopefulLandlord: 4:12pm On Sep 09, 2019 |
elektra: Both ways? you then added a clause as "in some states"; both ways indeed https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/09/02/statutory-rape-victim-child-support/14953965/ |
Re: Children Of "Deadbeat" Fathers. Time To Think. by Martinez39(m): 4:29pm On Sep 09, 2019 |
hopefulLandlord:Oga Landlord, I am no saying you should not argue, you can if you like but just know that the girl you are arguing with is not ready to use her brain. She is lost in her emotions and she is just manipulating to push her narratives. She didn't tell you that abortion is legal in many states in the US and any lady can travel to any pro-abortion state and have her abortion. She is a child of lies and her arguments are clever lies that I can debunk if I want. I would have tackled her seriously on the gynocentric laws of the US but I can't be bothered to respond to her. 4 Likes |
Re: Children Of "Deadbeat" Fathers. Time To Think. by elektra(f): 4:33pm On Sep 09, 2019 |
hopefulLandlord: I say in some states because abortions are not accessible in some states. Some states only have one center that carries out abortions in the entire state. If a raped woman is unable to abort the fetus or give the child up for adoption, THE COURTS WILL ALSO RULE THAT SHE TAKES RESPONSIBILITY OF SAID CHILD. Like I said, the courts will ALWAYS rule in favor of what is best for the CHILD. They don't care if it is fair to either parent! In the article you cited, the man can give up parental rights to avoid paying child support. Since he was raped it is understandable that he will want nothing to do with the child. He said in the article that "He wants to be in his daughter's life and is willing to pay child support going forward". If he wants to be in the child's life he will be required to pay child support because THE COURTS ARE NOT FAIR TO PARENTS! 2 Likes |
Re: Children Of "Deadbeat" Fathers. Time To Think. by hopefulLandlord: 4:50pm On Sep 09, 2019 |
elektra:a female rape victim that got pregnant in a state where abortion is not allowed even for rape can simply travel to states where it's allowed, do the deed and come back to her base!!!! the man's child support has no such workaround so No! it's not both ways |
Re: Children Of "Deadbeat" Fathers. Time To Think. by elektra(f): 4:58pm On Sep 09, 2019 |
hopefulLandlord: LOL, I understand where you are coming from but I am talking about the FAMILY COURTS SYSTEM. As long as the child gets born, the courts will rule for what is best for the child, regardless of whether it is fair to either parent. Now, both parents have the responsibility to enforce their rights. If the female rape victim does not want the child, it is their responsibility to get an abortion or get the baby adopted. If the make victim does not want the child, it is their responsibility to go to the court and relinquish parental rights. Both parents have rights and options. I am not trying to argue against men, I just want MEN to know that they have RIGHTS TOO! And even though the court may seem to be against men, they are actually for the child and could care less about either parent. 1 Like |
Re: Children Of "Deadbeat" Fathers. Time To Think. by hopefulLandlord: 5:08pm On Sep 09, 2019 |
elektra: A pregnant female regardless of being a victim of rape or not can abort the child Yes/No? A male rape victim who impregnated unintentionally his rapist needs to go to court to ask for permission to relinquish his parental rights. which may be denied if he doesn't have enough evidence to prove he was raped you still think it goes both ways? 1 Like |
Re: Children Of "Deadbeat" Fathers. Time To Think. by doitforyou(f): 5:12pm On Sep 09, 2019 |
Who pays child support hinges on the parental rights of the non custodial parent. If the parental rights have been terminated by the courts then the parent has no obligation to pay child support. Only about 30 states have some sort of laws that automatically terminates the parental rights of perpetrators of sexual assault, Arizona isn't one of them. This hurts sexual assault victims of BOTH sexes. In Arizona, a man that raped a woman can sue her for child custody and if he wins and she is the one with means, she is obligated to pay child support. If this had happened in states where parental rights are terminated, the rapist woman's parental rights would have been terminated and the child would have been in the custody of the state unless the man (victim) wants custody. Basically if you have parental rights then you are obligated by law to pay child support. If the man doesn't want to pay child support, he should apply to the court for his parental rights to that child be terminated. The state here is only concerned about the rights of the CHILD. However the man wants to be in the child's life (unwilling to relinquish parental rights) and not pay child support, not possible. The only other viable option he has, is to sue for child custody. Some years ago, a woman was raped and she decided to have the baby, the rapist took her to court for child custody because by law he still had parental rights to that child. https://www.cnn.com/2012/08/22/opinion/prewitt-rapist-visitation-rights/index.html hopefulLandlord: 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Children Of "Deadbeat" Fathers. Time To Think. by Martinez39(m): 5:13pm On Sep 09, 2019 |
hopefulLandlord: In the US, if a female teacher has sex with a male minor, the minor will pay child support when they come of age. These male victims are usually working more jobs to cover up the cost in addition to the student loan on their neck. In the US, even when it is proven that you are a victim of paternity fraud, you are still made responsible for the child. They cover this injustice and gynocentric privilege with "we have to do what's best for the child". In the US divorce court, if your wife says you are an abusive husband and you sexually molested your child, she will be automatically believed and she will get custody of the kids and, if she wants, a restraining order against the father. These fathers will then have to go to anger management classes(an institution filled with annoying feminists. ). In the US, women get way lower jail time compared to men for the same crime. In the US, if you can't pay child support or alimony because you don't have the means to, you will go to prison. Lmao. How will that solve anything? In many divorces, the woman gets to keep the man's home even if it means the man being homeless. Need I remind you that the man will have to pay for his wife's legal fees? Lmao. Can you imagine giving half your net worth(50-60%), your properties, alimony(30-50% of your salary) and child support to a woman just like that? Mind you, they don't determine what money is enough or sufficient for the woman. They just fix an amount and percentage. Prenuptial agreements are prenuptial agreements until the court decides that it's not. Socially, society is tilted against men. I could keep on going on and on but no time Mr. Landlord. Any stupid moniker trying to shove bullish!t and lies down my throat is not worthy of a response. 3 Likes |
Re: Children Of "Deadbeat" Fathers. Time To Think. by elektra(f): 5:19pm On Sep 09, 2019 |
hopefulLandlord: I feel like we are going around in circles now. There are cases where the courts are unfair to fathers, there are cases where the courts are unfair to mothers. The courts are not actively looking to screw only men over. The courts do not care about either parent, they rule in favor of the kid. Let's agree to disagree. 1 Like |
Re: Children Of "Deadbeat" Fathers. Time To Think. by doitforyou(f): 5:22pm On Sep 09, 2019 |
hopefulLandlord: If it happened in a state where they have written laws to terminate parental rights, as a victim of statutory rape, his parental rights are automatically terminated unless he wants them because he was a victim. If he was raped as a full grown man, then of course he would need a conviction just like a full grown woman that was raped would need a conviction. The law doesn't care about gender, they are more concerned about the child, the ruling of a written law can be favorable to either side. A 14 year old girl was statutory raped by a 19 year old man, she had a child. The judge refused to terminate the man's parental right, even though that was what the mother (victim) wanted, he based the ruling on what was best for the child. A state high court affirmed a judgment of paternity in a statutory rape case, rejecting the mother's argument that the lower court had "no authority" to adjudicate the parental rights of a father whose child was conceived by statutory rape. H.T. v. J.M. According to the Appeals Court of Massachusetts, terminating the father's parental rights "would unfairly disadvantage the child by depriving her of the right to receive financial support from both parents." ABA Section of Litigation leaders believe the decision is contrary to a majority of other state laws or decisions and opens the door to continuous harassment of rape victims by their rapists. https://www.americanbar.org/groups/litigation/publications/litigation-news/top-stories/2017/court-affirms-parental-rights-of-statutory-rapist/ 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Children Of "Deadbeat" Fathers. Time To Think. by tpiar: 5:25pm On Sep 09, 2019 |
as per rape this rape that, ok everywhere would be like Nigeria sooner or later, happy now? Btw, do not intentionally impregnate yourself and pin it on a man please, I'm sure married men are the intended targets as usual. |
Re: Children Of "Deadbeat" Fathers. Time To Think. by Regiomontanus(m): 5:27pm On Sep 09, 2019 |
elektra:You are not going in any circle. You are choosing to go in circles. HopefulLandlord asked very questions. Will you answer or keep playing dumb? "...There are cases where the courts are unfair to fathers, there are cases where the courts are unfair to mothers." Please, list these cases and I will deactivate my account. You cannot win against HopefulLandlord in the realm of logic and being specific hence you rain back to ambiguity. 1 Like
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Re: Children Of "Deadbeat" Fathers. Time To Think. by KevinDein: 5:38pm On Sep 09, 2019 |
Martinez39:I genuinely can't seem to wrap my head around how those men decided to create a system that basically screws them. 1 Like |
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