Nigeriahomebiz:


Remember to keep the sabbath day holy, if not for being well mannered at least today being Sunday. You quoted scripture earlier, now you resort to insults against someone who disagrees with you. How do you reconcile both?

He didn't just disagree with me, he displayed foolishness. That's why I called him by his name. Now, how's that an offence?

UNDERSTANDING TITHING

I don't like talking about this topic, but this pulpit ..... are very serious these days, destroying the finished work of Christ and limiting the death of Christ to certain monetary percentage thereby making mockery of our faith.

Abraham NEVER paid tithe. He gave out 10% of war loot and that CANNOT be called tithe. He later returned everything to those who He collected them from. Abraham didn't pay from his income.

It was never called tithe, if it was tithe, Abraham would have paid from his income and regularly. Tithe only exist in the law which is now weak and useless as stated in the book of Hebrews 7:18-19 and the TRUE percentage of all the three types of tithe is about 23% as stated in the book of law. 10% is not the full tithe, there are other two types of tithe they don't tell you about. How will you know when you don't read the scriptures? � �

Ask your Pastors or Priests why they don't tell you about the other two types of tithing.

Wisper: It's because it doesn't enter their pocket and you will decode their lies easily about the one they have been collecting �. Humans are selfish in nature. Yeah! Your Pastor or Priest is selfish and I can prove it biblically.

Proof:
The three different types of tithe are as follows:

1) The Levitical, or sacred tithe (Num. 18: 21-24).
21 “I give to the Levites all the tithes in Israel as their inheritance in return for the work they do while serving at the tent of meeting. 22 From now on the Israelites must not go near the tent of meeting, or they will bear the consequences of their sin and will die. 23 It is the Levites who are to do the work at the tent of meeting and bear the responsibility for any offenses they commit against it. This is a lasting ordinance for the generations to come. They will receive no inheritance among the Israelites. 24 Instead, I give to the Levites as their inheritance the tithes that the Israelites present as an offering to the Lord. That is why I said concerning them: ‘They will have no inheritance among the Israelites.’”
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Note: This tithe is strictly for the Levites, descendants of Jacob’s son Levi. Your Pastor/Priest isn't a Levite, He's not even a Jew. Hebrews 7:5 stated that Levites are the ones who collect tithe. Read Exodus 32:25-29 to see how faithful and committed the Levites were and what truly got them the position they occupied. If you study the laws in the old testament, you will discover that laws are all strict instructions and if you fail to obey it, you pay dearly, sometimes with blood which maybe yours.

2) The tithe of the feasts (Deut. 14:22-27).
22 Be sure to set aside a tenth of all that your fields produce each year. 23 Eat the tithe of your grain, new wine and olive oil, and the firstborn of your herds and flocks in the presence of the Lord your God at the place he will choose as a dwelling for his Name, so that you may learn to revere the Lord your God always. 24 But if that place is too distant and you have been blessed by the Lord your God and cannot carry your tithe (because the place where the Lord will choose to put his Name is so far away), 25 then exchange your tithe for silver, and take the silver with you and go to the place the Lord your God will choose. 26 Use the silver to buy whatever you like: cattle, sheep, wine or other fermented drink, or anything you wish. Then you and your household shall eat there in the presence of the Lord your God and rejoice. 27 And do not neglect the Levites living in your towns, for they have no allotment or inheritance of their own.

3) The tithe for the poor (Deut. 14:28-29).
28 At the end of every three years, bring all the tithes of that year’s produce and store it in your towns, 29 so that the Levites (who have no allotment or inheritance of their own) and the foreigners, the fatherless and the widows who live in your towns may come and eat and be satisfied, and so that the Lord your God may bless you in all the work of your hands.

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Do you know that choir members, gatekeepers and others who work in any service unit are to eat from the tithe?

Nehemiah 13:4-13
4 Before this, Eliashib the priest had been put in charge of the storerooms of the house of our God. He was closely associated with Tobiah, 5 and he had provided him with a large room formerly used to store the grain offerings and incense and temple articles, and also the tithes of grain, new wine and olive oil prescribed for the Levites, musicians and gatekeepers, as well as the contributions for the priests.

6 But while all this was going on, I was not in Jerusalem, for in the thirty-second year of Artaxerxes king of Babylon I had returned to the king. Some time later I asked his permission 7 and came back to Jerusalem. Here I learned about the evil thing Eliashib had done in providing Tobiah a room in the courts of the house of God. 8 I was greatly displeased and threw all Tobiah’s household goods out of the room. 9 I gave orders to purify the rooms, and then I put back into them the equipment of the house of God, with the grain offerings and the incense.

10 I also learned that the portions assigned to the Levites had not been given to them, and that all the Levites and musicians responsible for the service had gone back to their own fields. 11 So I rebuked the officials and asked them, “Why is the house of God neglected?” Then I called them together and stationed them at their posts.

12 All Judah brought the tithes of grain, new wine and olive oil into the storerooms. 13 I put Shelemiah the priest, Zadok the scribe, and a Levite named Pedaiah in charge of the storerooms and made Hanan son of Zakkur, the son of Mattaniah, their assistant, because they were considered trustworthy. They were made responsible for distributing the supplies to their fellow Levites.

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If Christ is our high priest and He never collected or asked anyone to pay tithe, this simply means Christians aren't suppose to pay tithe. Only Jews who practice Judaism whom the Levites are still their high priest are to pay tithe. Read the whole of Hebrews 7 to fully understand this.
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They don't like using Deuteronomy and Numbers to teach you because you will see the conditions which they don't qualify for, they prefer Malachi because it doesn't have full details. Hence tithing is concern, Malachi is pointing back to Numbers, just like a news headline of an article while Deuteronomy and Numbers is the full content.

Don't forget that deuteronomy and numbers come before Malachi.

What Abraham did was never called TITHE and it happened only once. Tithe works only for the receiver. Imagine if you're the Pastor/Priest receiving tithes from thousands of gullible people, won't it work for you?

Worshipers of Mammon want to limit God's grace and finished work to 10%. Majority of people of China �� you hear about aren't Christians, if tithe work the way they claim it does, Nigeria should be better than China.
Only about 1% of China population are Christians. Dubai you rush to enter, do the Arab people who turned a desert into a paradise pay tithe?

The people of the world poverty capital are gullible and should be awarded as world most gullible country.

If any preacher needs money, let him tell us and we will willingly do donation not using the Bible to scam the followers. If the preachers use the strength they use in preaching about tithe to teach the people how to live a moral upright life, Nigeria with all her resources would have been one of the best countries in the world.

Galatians 3 vs 10

For all who rely on the works of the law are under a curse, as it is written: “Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law.”


Hebrews 7:18-19

18 The former regulation is set aside because it was weak and useless 19 (for the law made nothing perfect), and a better hope is introduced, by which we draw near to God.
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Hebrew 8 vs 13 (NIV)

"By calling this covenant “new,” he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and outdated will soon disappear."

Galatians 2 vs 19 - 21

19 “For through the law I died to the law so that I might live for God. 20 I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I now live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me. 21 I do not set aside the grace of God, for if righteousness could be gained through the law, Christ died for nothing!”


Tithing is Judaism practice, not for Christians.

xpool:

You dey mind them?
And the Levite's served in the alters not Synagogues and they had no inheritance.
Pastors will never quote Deuteronomy, na only Malachy them they quote.
Nigerian pastors hate to hear giving to the needy, they want you to believe that they are God.

It's really strange to be honest with you. I just can't believe the extent to which they would go to discourage people from giving to the needy, yet they are supposed to represent Christ who stressed that so much.

God help us.

naijadrivablog:


Interpretation to suit you abi?

Lol!

What don't you understand?

It's self-explanatory!

Originalsly:


Just breaking down your comment on Deut 14:22-29. Help me understand.... who were these directives given to? ... and who are the Levites in our society? Regardless... if we want to follow the purpose of tithes... it is as stated... first for the enjoyment of the tither..... and in his 'feast'... it was specifically stated the 'Levites'... those without inheritance... the poor... the orphans...the homeless....must be included and catered for. Were the priest included here?... they are not a priority. And where did the church building feature in tithes? Does the priest in charge ...as you say... does he take care of the needs of the poor?..or is it he puts himself first?.... even above the tither? Does the tither or the priest enjoy the tithes?
The priest can't be enjoying my tithes more than I.... nor the poor. I will enjoy my tithes.... give directly to the poor for their enjoyment... and give the priest crumbs to humbly go about doing what he should be doing. Their is no defending priests/pastors that do not distribute the bulk of the tithes to the poor.... and no defending collecting tithes from the poor.

I laughed while reading this post of yours. It's very funny.

Anywhere, the mistake people make is that they think Deutoronomy 14 is the only passage in the Bible which speaks of tithing. They don't know that tithing had been a subject right from Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus and Numbers. If you read those passages, especially Leviticus, you will see how the Priest Aaron was given authority by God to take out of the tithe for himself. Paul even buttressed this in the new testament.

The Levites were workers in the Tabernacle of God. Same way we have workers in God's house today. As long as you work in the church or house of God, you are entitled to be paid from the tithe.

King44:
in many churches that part of caring for the needy with the tithe brought forth has been omitted, the only church I hear still practice it is synagogue n it has been like that from day one

That's the way it's supposed to be, but unfortunately most church leaders these days are just interested in enriching themselves at the expense of the needy.

Really sad!

alBHAGDADI:


Agricultural produce are known to be harvested yearly in most cases, that's why tithing was done yearly. Today, people earn monthly, that's why they pay it monthly. You can chose to accumulate all the monthly tithe and pay it at the end of the year. What matters is you paying what belongs to God. But by the end of the year, the amount may appear too big to want to let go. So, it's advisable it is paid monthly when it appears small.

Yes, you are to feast and dine, but the passage never said you should feast on the exact tithe you brought. The feasting is what the temple prepared for everyone to eat. The bulls, sheep, corn, wheat etc are prepared and eaten by everyone after some have been stored and some sacrificed to God through burnt offering. Imagine you pay a tithe of a cow and bags of corn, can you feast on the whole of it in one sitting? The priest only takes a portion out of the many cows paid as tithe, slaughters it and everyone feasts. Same happens when your church holds yearly or quarterly feasts.

Bro, I beg to disagree strongly with your misinformation.

Deuteronomy 14:22-29 (KJV)
22 Thou shalt truly tithe all the increase of thy seed, that the field bringeth forth year by year.
23 And thou shalt eat before the LORD thy God, in the place which he shall choose to place his name there, the tithe of thy corn, of thy wine, and of thine oil, and the firstlings of thy herds and of thy flocks; that thou mayest learn to fear the LORD thy God always.

In the above being that agriculture was the only source of income, the Bible stated clearly to eat every single source of your tithe in God's presence and even included strong drink for the merriment. Truly, religion has blinded most people from the truth! I can read, study my Bible as God gives me understanding. Bless you.

alBHAGDADI:


Now, where in the above Mathew 25 is it stated that it is the tithe we should give directly to the mentioned people? Nowhere. Guess what? We still fulfill the words of Jesus in obedience when we give the tithe to the church which in turns give a portion to the needy.

We are commanded to pay tithe to the house of God. Nowhere are we commanded to pay it to the needy ourselves. The verse you quoted in Mathew 25 is not tithing but freewill giving and helping the needy.

Now, just because the temple got demolished doesn't mean God doesn't own buildings anymore. He still does as stated by Apostle Paul.


1 Timothy 3:15
But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.

Please be sincere: is there any scriptures that says tithes is MONEY?

Those who benefit from tithes with fight tooth and nail to retain it.

You forget that in the Old Testament, no body can approach God except through a Levite/Priest.
Now, do we have to go through an intermediary?
(This knocked out our present pastors from the equation).

How about the laws of circumcision: are they still in effect?
Can a Christian eat pork?
If a Christian touches a corpse does he become unclean?
If a woman is having her period, is she unclean?
What therefore determine which of the old testament laws we still obey.


Is is a sin not to pay tithe?
If it is a sin, then you must follow it to the letter and other old testament laws also.

Did Jesus pay tithes?
Did the new testament church pay tithe?

Let's not major in the minor!

Thisis2raw:
Malachi 3:10 (KJV)
Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house
That a clear direction, bring it to my house. Not to give to a begger at the road.
Tho the act of giving to the poor can't be overemphasized, that why Jesus said give and it shall be given upon to

So where is God's house?

I am not against tithes but Op you seriously don't know how to interprete the biblical verses you quoted because it is very clear that the bible in those verses of yours stated that If the place be too far, you can change the products of tithe to money and when you get to the place, you can now use that money to buy any thing which your soul lost after. Be it strong drinks, or any other thing that you may eat and Merry not forgetting the less privileged ones around. I didn't see the verses saying give it to the church or any man of God.
No need to preach the bible upside down just because you want tithes from your members. In conclusion, any way you pay your tithe and you get blessed, continue that way. For me, giving my tithe to the needy is the key to my blessings. That's my belief.

Onyxqueen:


Bro, I beg to disagree strongly with your misinformation.

Deuteronomy 14:22-29 (KJV)
22 Thou shalt truly tithe all the increase of thy seed, that the field bringeth forth year by year.
23 And thou shalt eat before the LORD thy God, in the place which he shall choose to place his name there, the tithe of thy corn, of thy wine, and of thine oil, and the firstlings of thy herds and of thy flocks; that thou mayest learn to fear the LORD thy God always.

In the above being that agriculture was the only source of income, the Bible stated clearly to eat every single source of your tithe in God's presence and even included strong drink for the merriment. Truly, religion has blinded most people from the truth! I can read, study my Bible as God gives me understanding. Bless you.

Where is it stated that you are to eat the tithe you brought? Please point it out. The verse says "thou shall eat there", it doesn't say "thou shall eat the tithe there". What's to be eaten there is what is given to you as prepared by the temple.

Secondly. those items listed in the verse above are not for your consumption. They are the tithe you give to the temple which are sacrificed to God and some prepared for a feast.

Here you are saying the alcohol/strong drink is for you to drink at the place. Are you also to drink the oil? Like take a gallon of oil and drink it?

Look. the strong drink is not for you, likewise the other materials. The strong drink is poured on the burnt offering as a drink offering to God.

Numbers 28:7-8
'Then the drink offering with it shall be a fourth of a hin for each lamb, in the holy place you shall pour out a drink offering of strong drink to the LORD. 'The other lamb you shall offer at twilight; as the grain offering of the morning and as its drink offering, you shall offer it, an offering by fire, a soothing aroma to the LORD.


Read the link below to see more of drink offering to God.

https://bible.knowing-jesus.com/topics/Drink-Offering

alBHAGDADI:


Agricultural produce are known to be harvested yearly in most cases, that's why tithing was done yearly. Today, people earn monthly, that's why they pay it monthly. You can chose to accumulate all the monthly tithe and pay it at the end of the year. What matters is you paying what belongs to God. But by the end of the year, the amount may appear too big to want to let go. So, it's advisable it is paid monthly when it appears small.

Yes, you are to feast and dine, but the passage never said you should feast on the exact tithe you brought. The feasting is what the temple prepared for everyone to eat. The bulls, sheep, corn, wheat etc are prepared and eaten by everyone after some have been stored and some sacrificed to God through burnt offering. Imagine you pay a tithe of a cow and bags of corn, can you feast on the whole of it in one sitting? The priest only takes a portion out of the many cows paid as tithe, slaughters it and everyone feasts. Same happens when your church holds yearly or quarterly feasts.

That is how you people twist the scripture, you skipped a part that said "if the house of the Lord is far from you that you can't carry your agricultural produce covert them to money and when you get to the house buy anything of your choice like cow, wine, grains etc, so that there will be plenty in MY house" This means even in those days money existed yet they didnt tithe with money.
Secondly, the priest you referred to are the Levite's and they had no inheritance, no land, no biz, they were always there in the temple to do the work of God. All pastors today have inheritance and how many of them are Levites? I guess none.
Thirdly, Christianity means Christ like, meaning we should do like Christ, did Christ and his apostles collect 10% from people? People only gave them willingly, nobody was compelled to give, Christ did not prioritize giving to salvation, tithe is never a prerequisites to eternal life. If you feel your tithe is working for you give, is your choice, person like me give for the sake of humanity, I have never paid tithe in my life and is working for me too.

Onyxqueen:


So where is God's house?

God's house is the church.


1 Timothy 3:15
But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth


Please dear, don't argue too much on this. Just obey God.

HerCuteness:
thanks, i wish i could claim it as mine, just sharing

That notwithstanding, it's a great piece and I think you could have written a more beautiful piece if you wanted.
Making arguments without name-calling and throwing jabs isn't the strength of most Nairalanders. And sadly, it's being seen as a norm.

sykeng:

That is how you people twist the scripture, you skipped a part that said "if the house of the Lord is far from you that you can't carry your agricultural produce covert them to money and when you get to the house buy anything of your choice like cow, wine, grains etc, so that there will be plenty in MY house" This means even in those days money existed yet they didnt tithe with money.
Secondly, the priest you referred to are the Levite's and they had no inheritance, no land, no biz, they were always there in the temple to do the work of God. All pastors today have inheritance and how many of them are Levites? I guess none.
Thirdly, Christianity means Christ like, meaning we should do like Christ, did Christ and his apostles collect 10% from people? People only gave them willingly, nobody was compelled to give, Christ did not prioritize giving to salvation, tithe is never a prerequisites to eternal life. If you feel your tithe is working for you give, is your choice, person like me give for the sake of humanity, I have never paid tithe in my life and is working for me too.

Read Genesis 14 which is the first mention of tithe, you will see that Abraham tithed of ALL. This could include money and can't be excluding of money. So, clearly, tithing had included money long before it included agricultural produce.

So a full time pastor should starve to death?

Tithing is never a prerequisite to salvation. It is of reward.

alBHAGDADI:


Read Genesis 14 which is the first mention of tithe, you will see that Abraham tithed of ALL. This could include money and can't be excluding of money. So, clearly, tithing had included money long before it included agricultural produce.

So a full time pastor should starve to death?

Tithing is never a prerequisite to salvation. It is of reward.

Always reasoning with your anus. Well done

Mr moderator, according to the bible passage that u wrote above, where is it stated that u should give all your tithe to the priest in order to decide what to do with it? When u read the bible, read listen and understand what the bible says...
The bible says buy and eat with tithe money what your heart lust for in THE PRESENCE OF THE LORD OR A PLACE HE CHOOSE (this means it can be anywhere that the lord dwells including orphanage, because the bible says God dwelleth everywhere).,. it when futher, DO NOT FORGET THE LEVIT AND THE NEEDY because THEY HAVE NO JOB. this means that the needy is equally important as a priest because both are dependent.
Infact the aim of tithe was to buy and eat our lust before the lord, with consideration

So moderator dont try to be criminal with the bible. Try and reason things on your own, dont depend on adeboye, chris, adefararin, kumuyi etc teachings, the bible is clear. That y we have so many christians in nigeria but the country is worst than hell, because of false teachings

alBHAGDADI:


He didn't just disagree with me, he displayed foolishness. That's why I called him by his name. Now, how's that an offence?

No offence but who are you to judge a human being as foolish?

You are just a Pharisee as you have been harping on this dead law since, its not like you have showed the attribute of Christ love in this discussion.

Your question on why wouldn't one continue to disregard other old testament law is simply because those laws are mostly laws in relation to how neighbours should be treated and society function which Christ emphasized must be of love and do to others what you want them to do to you.

Once you follow the basic character of christ you basically have all relevant instructions in check not necessarily because you are under law

alBHAGDADI:


The war loot, did it not become his? Didn't he pay a tithe from it?

Oh, it was a one off thing? Are you expecting the Buble to be all about the amount of times Abraham paid tithe?

Good. Anytime I go to war and loot other peoples properties like Abraham, I will give a tenth to tithe mongers like you. Till then, I’m not giving a kobo of my money to your likes.

bskyb:


That notwithstanding, it's a great piece and I think you could have written a more beautiful piece if you wanted.
Making arguments without name-calling and throwing jabs isn't the strength of most Nairalanders. And sadly, it's being seen as a norm.

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shadeyinka:

Please be sincere: is there any scriptures that says tithes is MONEY?

Those who benefit from tithes with fight tooth and nail to retain it.

You forget that in the Old Testament, no body can approach God except through a Levite/Priest.
Now, do we have to go through an intermediary?
(This knocked out our present pastors from the equation).

How about the laws of circumcision: are they still in effect?
Can a Christian eat pork?
If a Christian touches a corpse does he become unclean?
If a woman is having her period, is she unclean?
What therefore determine which of the old testament laws we still obey.


Is is a sin not to pay tithe?
If it is a sin, then you must follow it to the letter and other old testament laws also.

Did Jesus pay tithes?
Did the new testament church pay tithe?

Let's not major in the minor!

Shadeyinka, is this really you? I thought you were versed in the scriptures. Alas, I was wrong.

Are you looking for a verse that says tithing is money? Have you checked the ones below?

Genesis 14:20 (KJV)
And blessed be the most high God, which hath delivered thine enemies into thy hand. And he gave him tithes of all

Luke 18:12
I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.

The first time tithe was mentioned in the Bible, we see Abraham giving a tithe of ALL. You have no right to exclude money from the word ALL.

Secondly, the Pharisee in the parable by Jesus paid tithe of ALL he possessed. Once again, you can't exclude money from the ALL. Jesus didn't even condemn that style of tithe which is exactly what Abraham did. He only condemned him for something else. Mind you, Deutoronomy 14 isn't the first time tithe was mentioned. So don't think tithe is all about agricultural produce alone. Tithe is from all we possess and all means all, and all is all what all means.


There are certain laws that got changed specifically in the new Testament. Examples are eating pork, touching unclean things. Those got changed. But you've mistaken it to mean the law has been garbaged. Then go sleep with your mother as against the law.

Are you truly Shadeyinka or someone else? You are asking if Jesus paid tithes. Are you expecting God to pay tithe?

His disciples were not recorded to pay tithe. Guess what? They were also not recorded not to pay tithe.

BluntBoy:


And just so you know, the tithe law was instituted primarily for the needy (which included the Levites).

It is a charity system, and it was meant to benefit the needy.

So, even if you must tithe, you should give it to the needy.

God emphasized the need to cater for the poor.

For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink,

I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.'

"They also will answer, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?'

"He will reply, 'Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.' (Matt 25: 42-45)

God does not need your money. All He needs is for you to help the needy among you. Helping the needy is the same as helping God. Feeding the needy is the same as feeding God.


Religion that God our Father accepts as pure and faultless is this: to look after orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself from being polluted by the world. (James 1:27)

.And just so you know, the tithe law was instituted primarily for the needy (which included the Levites).

Please the levities are not the needy, the levities are preacher of the gospel. Go and read the old testament

Godlylifeoneart:
The modern day pastors, prophets and prophetesses are equivalent to the biblical levites but they have taken all our inheritances. This is forbidden for the biblical levites.
The modern day men of God are splendidly rich from being the custodians of our tithes.

Hebrews 7:11-12

11 If perfection could have been attained through the Levitical priesthood—and indeed the law given to the people established that priesthood—why was there still need for another priest to come, one in the order of Melchizedek, not in the order of Aaron? 12 For when the priesthood is changed, the law must be changed also.

Hebrews 7:18-19

18 The former regulation is set aside because it was weak and useless 19 (for the law made nothing perfect), and a better hope is introduced, by which we draw near to God.
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Hebrew 8 vs 13

"By calling this covenant “new,” he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and outdated will soon disappear."

Galatians 2 vs 19 - 21

19 “For through the law I died to the law so that I might live for God. 20 I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I now live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me. 21 I do not set aside the grace of God, for if righteousness could be gained through the law, Christ died for nothing!”


Galatians 3 vs 10

For all who rely on the works of the law are under a curse, as it is written: “Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law.”


Levitical Priesthood is over! Yehoshua is our high priest. Tithing is a law and we are no longer under the law.

Even a Levite sold his property and brought to the Apostle's feet.

Acts 4:36-37
36 Joseph, a Levite from Cyprus, whom the apostles called Barnabas (which means “son of encouragement”), 37 sold a field he owned and brought the money and put it at the apostles’ feet.

Thisis2raw:


.And just so you know, the tithe law was instituted primarily for the needy (which included the Levites).

Please the levities are not the needy, the levities are preacher of the gospel. Go and read the old testament

The Levites are needy because they don't have inheritance in Israel. They only work in the temple.

alBHAGDADI:


Go and read Genesis 14 to see that Tithing existed as ALL THINGS long before God even promised Abraham the land of Israel.

Was that Tithing predating the Law mandatory? Was it a Law? Was Abraham mandated to tithe as the Israelites after him were? Make up your mind. Do you tithe the Abraham way (under no compulsion) or the way of the Law (mandatory)? You cannot keep quoting the Law to justify Abraham's freewill tithing.

Why is it not written that the mentioned professions didn't pay tithe? Where is it written that it was only farmers that paid tithe?

He ordered the people living in Jerusalem to give the portion due the priests and Levites so they could devote themselves to the Law of the LORD.

As soon as the order went out, the Israelites generously gave the firstfruits of their grain, new wine, olive oil and honey and all that the fields produced. They brought a great amount, a tithe of everything. (2 Chronicles 31: 4-5)

Every tithe of the herd and flock--every tenth animal that passes under the shepherd's rod--will be holy to the LORD. (Leviticus 27:32)

From the verses above, anyone with half a brain can reach a simple conclusion what tithes meant. They were foods to be eaten. They were land-based products and were products of farmers. Land-based agriculture system consist of crops and livestock.

Look, it wasn't only agricultural produce that Jesus label as tithe alone. He also stated that tithe can be paid from all you possess which can include money. Remember the parable of the Pharisee who boasted that he pays tithe from all that he possess. Jesus didn't condemn him for paying tithe in that manner. Rather, he condemned him for something else.

Wrong!!! Jesus labeled only agricultural products as tithes.

"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices--mint, dill and cumin. (Matthew 23:23)

Mint, dill and cumin are agricultural products. Nowhere did Jesus say you could pay with money.

As for the Luke 18:12 that you quoted. A tithe of all I have does not necessarily mean all his properties, but all of his properties that can be tithed under the law such as agricultural products. Just as usual, you have quoted a whole verse out of context. A tithe of everything means a tithe of everything that can be tithed.


As soon as the order went out, the Israelites generously gave the firstfruits of their grain, new wine, olive oil and honey and all that the fields produced. They brought a great amount, a tithe of everything. (2 Chronicles 31: 4-5)

You can't expect Jesus who is God to pay tithe. Secondly, just because it wasn't recorded that the Apostles paid tithe doesn't mean it never happened. Lastly, where is it mentioned that farmers paid tithe?

If Jesus was God, who did He pray to? Why did He get baptized before beginning His ministry? If He could get baptized like every Jew, why was there no need for Him to pay tithes if everyone else was mandated by Law?

alBHAGDADI:


Mugu, what were the things included in the ALL he paid? You can't mention them, yet you have the boldness to exclude money from the ALL.

Your mumu never do.

Your head is paining u, oya come and list all the things he paid and if u don't mention money as one of them, sanpono will befall your household

All the bible quotes the OP used, Deuteronomy, Leviticus, Malacca etc,
My questions to the OP :
(1) Are all those bible verses addressed Christians? (2) why did the new testament come if the old is still relevant?
(3) So you don't know what it means to a Jew and to be a Christian? You are completely unchurched. Go and study the bible very well.

alBHAGDADI:

There is a movement today which believes the tithe which they are to pay to God should be given to the widows, fatherless, orphans or the needy in general. This movement wants to give the tithe to the needy directly from their pocket without giving it to the Church. They even have a Bible passage to back it up. Let's examine it.

Deuteronomy 14:22-29 (KJV)
22 Thou shalt truly tithe all the increase of thy seed, that the field bringeth forth year by year.
23 And thou shalt eat before the LORD thy God, in the place which he shall choose to place his name there, the tithe of thy corn, of thy wine, and of thine oil, and the firstlings of thy herds and of thy flocks; that thou mayest learn to fear the LORD thy God always.
24 And if the way be too long for thee, so that thou art not able to carry it; or if the place be too far from thee, which the LORD thy God shall choose to set his name there, when the LORD thy God hath blessed thee:
25 Then shalt thou turn it into money, and bind up the money in thine hand, and shalt go unto the place which the LORD thy God shall choose:
26 And thou shalt bestow that money for whatsoever thy soul lusteth after, for oxen, or for sheep, or for wine, or for strong drink, or for whatsoever thy soul desireth: and thou shalt eat there before the LORD thy God, and thou shalt rejoice, thou, and thine household,
27 And the Levite that is within thy gates; thou shalt not forsake him; for he hath no part nor inheritance with thee.
28 At the end of three years thou shalt bring forth all the tithe of thine increase the same year, and shalt lay it up within thy gates:
29 And the Levite, (because he hath no part nor inheritance with thee,) and the stranger, and the fatherless, and the widow, which are within thy gates, shall come, and shall eat and be satisfied; that the LORD thy God may bless thee in all the work of thine hand which thou doest.

As seen above, nowhere in the passage are people ordered to give the tithe directly to the needy. God only says the needy should not be forsaken. How does one forsake the needy in this case? You forsake the needy when you fail to tithe, not when you don't give it to them directly.

The tithe is used for different purposes in the house of God. A portion caters for the priests, a portion sees to the care of the house of God, another portion caters for the needy etc. All of these are supervised by God's priest. So when you tithe, the needy comes to the house of God and they are cared for from it.

The reason why the above passage says the tithe has to be taken to the place where God puts his name, i.e the House of God, is because it is from there the distribution to the purposes it serves is done.

Now, there are two kinds of people in the movement that want to give their tithe directly to the needy by themselves. It sound a like a great idea to give to the needy. But they are both wrong. One class is sincere but sincerely wrong, while the other is just being a thief.

An example of such movement is seen in the gospel passages talking about the woman with an alabaster of expensive ointment who poured it on Jesus to show appreciation for what he did for her.

When the disciples saw what she did, they felt awkward about it. They wondered why the expensive ointment wasn't sold and the money given to the poor. They were since but sincerely wrong.

Matthew 26:8-11 (KJV)
8 But when his disciples saw it, they had indignation, saying, To what purpose is this waste?
9 For this ointment might have been sold for much, and given to the poor.

Now, what about the class that is wrong and also being a thief about it? That class has people with the mindset of Judas Iscariot. See what he said below and how the Bible described him and those who reason alike.

John 12:4-6 (KJV)
4 Then saith one of his disciples, Judas Iscariot, Simon's son, which should betray him,
5 Why was not this ointment sold for three hundred pence, and given to the poor?
6 This he said, not that he cared for the poor; but because he was a thief, and had the bag, and bare what was put therein.


Let me tell you something about many of those who love to say their tithe ought to be given to the poor directly by themselves without taking it to the Church. They are thieves. How do I know this? Just read on.

The Bible clearly states that the tithe belongs to God and he even said it has to be brought into his house as seen below.

Leviticus 27:30
And all the tithe of the land, whether of the seed of the land, or of the fruit of the tree, is the LORD'S: it is holy unto the LORD.

Malachi 3:10 (KJV)
Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house,

Now, these people who go give it directly to the poor are simply robbing God. They are not to decide how God should spend what belongs to him. They are to pay it to the church and allow God and his priest decide how to spend it. But no, they think it is right the tithe is given to the poor and needy themselves.

Ask them what they did with their own 90 percent. They spent it all on themselves without caring for the poor out of it. But it is God's own money they now want to give to the poor. That's robbery. They are Judas Iscariot, because if they truly cared for the poor, they would have something from their own 90 percent to give to the poor and allow God enjoy his own 10 percent. They are like Judas who had the money bag but never gave to the poor from it but is eyeing the expensive oil spent on Jesus who is God.

Mathew 26:10-11
10 When Jesus understood it, he said unto them, Why trouble ye the woman? for she hath wrought a good work upon me.
11 For ye have the poor always with you; but me ye have not always.

The moment you decide to neglect the word of God by giving the tithe to the needy yourself, you will get consumed by pride. There's this feeling you will get when you give it to the needy yourself. You will feel fulfilled, however, that's you feeling puffed up and consumed by pride because you did the desire of your heart, not what God ordered.

Guess what? You have taken God's glory because the people you gave it to will praise you and henceforth hold you in high-esteem. All of these belongs to God, but you have cornered it to yourself.

You used God's money to buy those things for yourself - that's another offence. You also prevent the needy from going to God's house to seek help where they will be exposed to his word. Now, it's your own house they will go to.

Guess what will happen to God's house? It will become empty because there will be no priest nor workers to run it because they are not getting paid and can't feed. They will go look for job elsewhere. The Church will become empty because the needy won't be there to fill it up and there won't be a priest to minister to them. Such a church will die. That is what Satan wants. He wants the church to be starved of funds so it will die and souls will continue to go to hell. You have foolishly aided the devil's dream because you chose to follow your heart and emotions instead of the word of God. Your way seemed right to you over the word of God.

What you have to do is pay the tithe to the house of God and never worry how it's spent. It's not your money, so why bother yourself about it? Also, make sure it is God's house you are paying the money to, not some crooked man running a business center and claiming it is a church. Pay the money into the bank God uses and it will get to him, not in the bank he doesn't use.

Next time, follow what the Bible says, not your heart which is prone to emotions. The thought of our hearts sometimes seems right but are wrong. Many of the tithe we pay are not always used to maintain the church. They are sent to jungles where missionary men are facing dangers to spread the gospel. Don't hinder God's work by disobeying his word and following your heart.

Thank you.

Glory be to God in the highest for inspiring this great message through His Holy Spirit.

Kindly leave the author's name at the end of such messages.

Thank you.

seguno2:


May God bless you richly with more wisdom.

And you too in Jesus mighty name

Thisis2raw:


.And just so you know, the tithe law was instituted primarily for the needy (which included the Levites).

Please the levities are not the needy, the levities are preacher of the gospel. Go and read the old testament

Do you know the meaning of needy?

The Levites got tithes instead of allotment of lands, which meant they could not grow their own foods, so they were dependent on the tithes that people from other tribes were mandated to give them.

That was why in the time of Nehemiah when people stopped bringing their tithes to the Levites, the Levites returned to their farms and abandoned the works of the Temple.

I also learned that the portions assigned to the Levites had not been given to them, and that all the Levites and musicians responsible for the service had gone back to their own fields. (Nehemiah 13:10)

alBHAGDADI:


Go and read Genesis 14 to see that Tithing existed as ALL THINGS long before God even promised Abraham the land of Israel.

Why is it not written that the mentioned professions didn't pay tithe? Where is it written that it was only farmers that paid tithe?

Look, it wasn't only agricultural produce that Jesus label as tithe alone. He also stated that tithe can be paid from all you possess which can include money. Remember the parable of the Pharisee who boasted that he pays tithe from all that he possess. Jesus didn't condemn him for paying tithe in that manner. Rather, he condemned him for something else.

Luke 18:12
I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.

You can't expect Jesus who is God to pay tithe. Secondly, just because it wasn't recorded that the Apostles paid tithe doesn't mean it never happened. Lastly, where is it mentioned that farmers paid tithe?

Their is no relevant documentary of Jesus life that wasnt recorded in the bible.

It was for a reason, from the event in his birth, to going to temple to study as a child, to baptism, to paying tax, to praying, to going to the synagogue to read the Torah as the fulfiller of scriptures etc.

He did everything and they were majorly recorded just to show God becoming man and fulfilling the relevant order of life and spirit

Christ didn't question the tither then because it was ideally the thither obligation to God as a Jew not for "gentile" and he hadn't not died to reconcile the sacrificial law and priestly intersession

Please be guarded that it is an everlasting covenant only for Jews to the levite even after new testament.

The only difference for Jews today is the sacrificial burnt offering is now a mere ceremonial stuff for them cos of Christ.

Their salvation doesn't come from it, so not a do or die issue for Jews again


But Gentiles have no need for it prior to Christ coming or even now