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Mftivi:
You just need to sit down and accept Salvation. You are full of pride sir! Such will take you to hell. You need to totally depend on Jesus! Listen and learn.

alBHAGDADI:
Firstly, when Jesus said he would "spew you out", he wasn't talking to an individual which is why the verse is not applicable to an individual. He was talking to a church which was one of the 7 churches in Asia. He said he would spew the church out for being lukewarm. Nowhere does that equate to sending the church to hell fire neither was it directed at an individual. So this can't be used to court term Once Saved Always Saved doctrine.

Now, my main aim of this thread is to correct people who have the notion that Once Saved Always Saved doctrine encourages sin. It doesn't because if you check out the punishment God visits disobedient children with, any sane person would know to avoid sin.

OkCornel:
Even little children still obey their parents' instructions, that's their job. This somewhat lopsided view takes out the role obedience plays in one's walk with God.

This is even Jesus here hammering on the importance of obedience;

Luke 6 v 46-49;
46 And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?
47 Whosoever cometh to me, and heareth my sayings, and doeth them, I will shew you to whom he is like:
48 He is like a man which built an house, and digged deep, and laid the foundation on a rock: and when the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently upon that house, and could not shake it: for it was founded upon a rock.
49 But he that heareth, and doeth not, is like a man that without a foundation built an house upon the earth; against which the stream did beat vehemently, and immediately it fell; and the ruin of that house was great.



THERE IS NO WAY YOU CLAIM TO TRUST JESUS, AND YET NOT OBEY HIM. TRUST & OBEY, SO YOU REMAIN FRUITFUL IN THE VINE. BARREN BRANCHES ARE CUT OFF AND CAST INTO THE FIRE

alBHAGDADI:
Obeying God's word is actually for our own good plus it comes with reward here on Earth and in heaven.

shadeyinka:
The evidence of "salvation" being saved is not a response to an ALTER CALL but a Transformation as a result of FAITH in the sacrifice by blood of Jesus Christ.

Being the son of my parent is independent of my perfection BUT the fact that I have my parents DNA in me.

Anyone who has Gods DNA is a new creation: old things of sin have passed away. He does not continue in sin because Gods DNA is in him.

Anyone who "claims" to have Gods DNA and is comfortable with sin is a liar and certainly not HIS. As per salvation, by grace we are saved

jesusjnr:
Any one who continues in iniquity cannot be saved!

No person who is saved continues in iniquity!

Infomaz:
Matthew 24:13
But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

Mark 13:13 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name’s sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

Philippians 2:12

12 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.

There's nothing like "Once saved always saved" I know of some friends hiding under this satanic teaching and wallowing in sin, while deceiving themselves that they're under grace...whereas, they're under disgrace.

Mftivi:
Surely I engaged in a wayward life and did I suffer ? I fucking did. But it was only for him to call me back to him, I didn't understand this I didn't understand his salvation and love was afraid to call him father but one evening he said to my hearing are you going to keep struggling or will you let me. I went into my room in tears took my Bible and he took me to Isaiah where he told me he had missed me and was looking out for me. Says he wants me back and wants to bless me and that word of God brought me back. I got the strength to go back to serving God! He never condemned me, all he ministered to me was his love. I still am not perfect but now I recognize his love and sacrifice and I aim to live a life that will appreciate such sacrifice.
I continued to study the work of salvation and the holyspirit taught me with the Thief on the cross who went to heaven not by confessing his sin but by simply believing on Jesus as the son of God and his ability to save him. That was when John 3:16 was truly revealed to me! I began to see Salvation passages in my dream like literally dreaming the Bible happening like an event. I once dreamt about a criminal that was to be sentenced and I was on the side hoping there was hope for him suddenly a man appeared and said I will be his advocate and he went there and set him free and I woke up. Now I have always been charged to share this Good news to others the way God have taught me.

jesusjnr:
Maybe because the sins of those it makes to continue in sin have been covered by such an idea of "grace", so such sins are no longer regarded as sins but righteousness. SMH

The devil is indeed a bloody liar!

That's why iniquity now abounds in the church more than ever before and there is hardly remorse for wrong doing, because such an erroneous idea of grace has given the people licence to continue in their inquity, for instance rape, commit adultery, steal, because the grace upon them covers them regardless.

But the Truth is that such a grace that covers men regardless if they continue in their inquiries doesn't exist!

That knowledge was what helped those Jesus brought up to stay on their toes, and to be vigilant so that they don't fall into temptation. And if at any point they did, that knowledge would make them feel remorse for it and to repent of it because they know they can't simply afford to continue in their iniquities if they wanted to preserve the eternity of souls.

Matthew 13:41-42 (KJV)

41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;
42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

So when someone has been emphatically taught by the "Grace of God" Himself who gave His life for man's sin, and consequently would determine who benefits of It, that the Grace of God doesn't cover anyone who continues in his iniquity, what would make that person want to continue in his iniquity?

That suggests the difference between that church where men didn't continue in their iniquity, and this one in which iniquity abounds, their orientation of what the Grace of God entails.

God bless.

OkCornel:
Thank you very much. This spot on.

There must be a change of heart (repentance), if not...all this talk on grace is just a waste of time.

shadeyinka:
Many Christians want to earn heaven as a result of their Obedience and Faithfulness forgetting that on the basis of these two we recieve our reward which takes effect only after our salvation (which is purely an act of grace and mercy through His blood)

alBHAGDADI:
Just shut up and stop repeating point already trashed points.

You first and second lines, can you show us scriptures to back them up? No you can't. All you are doing is coughing out your own ideas.

Go and sleep.

Infomaz:
Matthew 24:13
But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

Mark 13:13 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name’s sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

Philippians 2:12

12 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.

There's nothing like "Once saved always saved" I know of some friends hiding under this satanic teaching and wallowing in sin, while deceiving themselves that they're under grace...whereas, they're under disgrace.

luvtoyota:
Once saved , always saved . How can an eternal God give man a temporary salvation ?

I give them eternal life, and they will never perish. No one can snatch them away from me, for my Father has given them to me, and he is more powerful than anyone else. No one can snatch them from the Father’s hand. Once again the people picked up stones to kill him.
John 10:28‭-‬29‭, ‬31 NLT


Salvation is of the Lord . Salvation of God is forever, without repentance . Once saved always saved OSAS

HEBREWS 7:23-25

SIN CAN NEVER TAKE A MAN TO HELL ,. WHAT TAKES A MAN TO HELL IS REJECTION OF THE FINISHED WORKS OF CHRIST .

SHALL WE CONTINUE IN SIN SO THAT GRACE MAY ABOUND? GOD FORBID . WE ARE DEAD TO SIN ALREADY.

alBHAGDADI:
This is a lengthy post, but the key to you making heaven easily lies in it. Ignore the news about Tonto Dikeh, Davido and Mompha for now. Read this because it is truly Good News.

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Many people who reject the Once Saved Always Saved doctrine do so because they believe it is a license to sin. When they are told that a saved person has eternal security and would go to heaven no matter what, they think this gives the person the right to live life however he wants.

If you check those who usually preach Once Saved Always Saved doctrine, they are the ones who usually uphold the laws of God. They preach holiness and fear of God. They believe they are not perfect and can't make heaven on their own, so they trust fully in Jesus Christ who is the way to heaven.

But those who believe they can lose their salvation are usually the ones wallowing in horrible sins. They wallow so much in sins because they are not saved, which is why they don't fear God enough to obey his commandments.

Look, we are all sinners and...



The major reason why people reject the Good News of salvation is because they are proud. They believe they can earn their way into a heaven they don't even know the way to. They are trusting in their ability to avoid sin. They even believe they are without sin. But what does the Bible say?



They prefer to think they are perfect and can live life without sin. Why then did Jesus die if humans could make heaven by not sinning? They are puffed up on their self-righteousness and all their good works that it actually consumes them and prevents them from accepting salvation which is a free gift.

Salvation is a free gift from God which we do nothing to earn. No one ever works for a gift otherwise it would no longer be called a gift. But pride has made them reject the awesome gift of eternal security.

If you give a rich man a car as a gift, he might reject it or not regard it as something awesome. That's because he believes he can afford ten of it or way better. That's pride at work, which is why Jesus said it would be difficult for a rich man to enter heaven. That's because he's always trusting in his abilities and riches. Give that same car to a poor man and watch him accept it with joy unspeakable.

Sadly, we now have so many poor people with the pride of a rich man. If you give them the Good News of eternal life as a gift, they will reject it because they believe they can earn that eternal life on their own. To be saved, you have to throw away pride. Jesus said we have to humble ourselves as a little child before we can enter the kingdom of heaven.




Little children don't do any job for money or food. They trust in their parents for everything. That is the mentality Jesus wants us to have. He wants us to trust him for eternal life and not work for it because he has done the work on the cross. All he's saying is that we should believe in him which is the only work required from us to have eternal life.





The Bible also stated that even if you do not work at all, as long as you believe in Jesus who justifies the ungodly, your faith is counted for RIGHTEOUSNESS.




Wow! This really sounds like a license for me to go boozing, smoking, fornicating, scamming, stealing, killing, lying etc. Because, as long as I believe Jesus paid for all my sins, I will make heaven no matter how sinful I get.

Yes, you will make heaven no matter how sinful you get as long as you believe Jesus died to save you. You have received the gift of eternal life. It was freely given to you, so heaven is sure for you.

Guess what? To whom much is given much is expected. Much has been given to you in that heaven is now certain for you. You are now expected to live your life in a godly manner on Earth. You are now expected to live a righteous life on Earth to show your salvation to others.

If you live a good life on Earth, Deutoronomy 28 lists all the kind blessings God will bless you with. They are so beautiful and amazing that a true child of God will be motivated to love right to get those blessings on Earth. Guess what? Living right on Earth also earns you rewards in heaven.

Now, what if you decide to live a sinful life simply because you know you will still go to heaven if you die? Look, God will so punish you that you will regret your existence. You will become an example of whhat would happen to anyone punished by God. That same Deutoronomy 28 speaks of the horrible things which will happen to his children who fail to obey him.





Oh, you think that is all? See what he said in verse 22






Oh, because God has saved you and given heaven to you freely, you now want to start jumping around on earth however you like? God can turn your children into slaves, where you you will be forced to place them in your brother's house. There they will be maltreated by his wife and turned into househelps.

See more of what he will do to you because he's God.





Do you know what it's like to labour and not be able to reap the fruit of your labour? That is what God might do to you for disobeying his commandments as his child.



If you think you are still stubborn, read from verse 39-65 and see more of what might come your way for abusing the Grave given to you.


All these things might happen to you to whip you back into place.




But you say "oh, that's Old Testament". As if to say God suddenly became soft or became another God in the New Testament. Look, we under Grace have been given much and much is expected of us. The bar got raised.

Sorry to bust your bubble, the Old Testament passage in Deuteronomy 28 is the word of God and applicable to us today because...




This is the reason why we saved people are always afraid of disobeying the commandments of God. Take for example my life. Before I got saved, I was into all kinds of sins. How come I haven't thrown caution to the wind and start living an immoral life simply because heaven is certain for me? How come I'm still the same person preaching holiness, obedience to the commandments of God on this forum? That's because the gospel of once saved always saved is not a license to sin. It actually requires you to live right and tremble before God and his commandments.

If you don't obey God and go about fornicating, who will you blame when you become HIV+?

If you go about doing Yahoo scam because you believe heaven is secured no matter what, who will end up in jail when you are caught? I or you?

Obeying God's word is actually for our own good plus it comes with reward here on Earth and in heaven.

pressplay411:
This is a timely post. Thanks for sharing.
I will like your insight on these verses, particularly the last verse.

Galatians 5:16-22
I say then: Walk in the Spirit, and you shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh.
For the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; and these are contrary to one another, so that you do not do the things that you wish. But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.

Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

alBHAGDADI:
Where in the Bible does it say saved people who continue in sin will go to hell fire? Nowhere is such found in the Bible. Saved people who sin are only punished here on Earth by God their father. God scourges as chastens his children who sin to keep them obeying him.

Hebrews 12:6-11 (KJV)
For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.

The Bible also states that our earthly fathers correct us when we do wrong. How many earthly fathers have you seen feed their son to a lion? None. Yet you think God will send his own children who carry his spirit to hell fire?

Hebrews 12:9
Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?

You are here expecting man to be without sin. If it were possible for man to be sinless, there won't have been any need for Jesus to come. During his days, he said "He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone". No one could cast a stone because they were all sinners. Yet you believe a man exists today, in this corrupt and immoral world, that is without sin.


1 John 1:8 (KJV)
If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.


You have made God a liar by saying man has to be without sin before he can make heaven. You made God a list who said we are all sinners and there is none righteous, no not one.

1 John 1:10
If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.


Well, you are a liar, that's why you believe one has to be sinless to make heaven. Whereas, the word of God says we are all sinners.


Romans 3:23-26 (KJV)
23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.

As seen above, we are all sinners. The only ones justified in the sight of God Almighty are the ones who have been justified through their believe in Jesus, not the works of righteousness.

We will always sin as long as we exist in this flesh because the spirit and flesh are at battle. Guess what? The sins don't send us to hell. Why? Because Jesus Christ is our advocate who ensures we don't come into condemnation.


1 John 2:1 (KJV)
My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:


The Bible also advised us to not grieve the Holy Spirit which is what happens when we sin. However, that same Holy Spirit has SEALED us for all eternity and just waiting to redeem what he has sealed.

Ephesians 4:30
“And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.”

The reason we are afraid of sinning is because we fear God and don't want him to visit us with the curses in Deutoronomy 28 which he places on those who disobey his commandments. As for sin sending us to hell fire, that's a lie.

I've gone against you with the word of God. All you've done is spew your own understanding. What has Satan promised you that is making you so eager to hinder people from getting saved?

shadeyinka:
The evidence of "salvation" being saved is not a response to an ALTER CALL but a Transformation as a result of FAITH in the sacrifice by blood of Jesus Christ.

Being the son of my parent is independent of my perfection BUT the fact that I have my parents DNA in me.

Anyone who has Gods DNA is a new creation: old things of sin have passed away. He does not continue in sin because Gods DNA is in him.

Anyone who "claims" to have Gods DNA and is comfortable with sin is a liar and certainly not HIS. As per salvation, by grace we are saved

Grupo:
Lol. Thank God I'm an atheist.

So this is the type of thing I would have been occupying my mind with.

Khalidase83:
Religious people are the most confused on Earth. They read same book written in same language yet don't agree with each other. Sometimes, I think this world wud have been more peaceful if we had no single religion.

Bodydialect57:
God bless you for this.

OkCornel:
Definitely one comes before the other. But one cannot live in isolation of the other.

There’s no way one can claim to be saved without first letting Christ into his or her life, and obey His instructions thereafter to live a fruitful life.

There’s always a choice to obey or disobey. And every choice has is consequences.

OkCornel:
Definitely one comes before the other. But one cannot live in isolation of the other.

There’s no way one can claim to be saved without first letting Christ into his or her life, and obey His instructions thereafter to live a fruitful life.

There’s always a choice to obey or disobey. And every choice has is consequences.

Harshirama:
Maybe if you read the Bible more carefully, you'll see the many places eternal salvation was mentioned.

“I tell you the solemn truth, the one who hears my message and believes the one who sent me has eternal life and will not be condemned, but has crossed over from death to life.
John 5:24
Note how he said "has crossed over" not "will cross over"
Now for christians who walk in sin, they'll be judged in the flesh but their spirit will be saved. The only sin that'll lead to eternal destruction is the sin of unbelief in the finished works of Christ.

The one who believes in him is not condemned. The one who does not believe has been condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the one and only Son of God.
John 3:18

Praivit0:
I wonder how believers can claim to be saved and continue living in sin.
The church is far from what it was in the days of yore.
We need to go back to the fundamentals