Ladycewhy:
Thank you ,atleast there should be a balance ,women should stop doubling their duty ,that is not equity feminism was built on its cheating that a working woman has to go to work,come back attend to the kids ,cook ,clean the house while all the man does is come back from work and lift his feet up,to me it just doesn't show equity at all,modern feminism is cheating women.

where are you getting your facts from?

I think in reality it's contrary to what you posit here.

Feminism actually is towards the opposite of what you're saying here if my memory of feminism serves me right.


From my understanding of the whole movement on feminism and other social justice movements is that their sole aim is to emasculate men.

It doesn't matter what role men decide to take up. Long as it's not a role that puts the man where he's decider of his actions.


The problem with issues related to nature and nurture discussion is that there isn't a concrete and widely accepted 'story' on the beginning of man(humanity). That's why the argument is always filled with emotional rhetorics.

If we're to live in a traditional family. The family style where men were always the head as were in the very past, I don't see a reason why I as a man won't assume the post of a provider since my wife would also without unnecessary complaints assume her rightful position. But today the families we have are ones where there are 2 heads with each threatening to go their way. There's no point providing for a potential traitor.

Ladycewhy:
which is why i said you need to comprehend and stop ranting ,you just confirmed my assertion that you are frustrated about something and going all out like a wounded lion. All you did was regurgitate the same thing.

I am not here to go back and forth with you in whatever world you have created for yourself, if you want to keep regurgitating ,i will leave you to it and respond to people who are more on the side of logic to allow for an engaging conversation.


But let me just say this, there are many unwritten rules of society, but you wouldn't know that now would you? now i am not against women making their own money ,infact i encourage it,but if a woman must share financial burden ,the man must also share from other forms of house chores its that simple,atleast western men dont have a problem with that .


How Do I Understand/satisfy My Husband?

I saw this thread this morning and it dawned on me that the self esteem of men is only tied to being able to provide, they see it as a tool for control and manipulation instead of for fulfilment and opportunity. Take this away from a man and they feel worthless and their self esteem flies out the window.which is why women need financial freedom not so they can be equal to men but to be free from the control and manipulation of men. Its not so you can help him offload his financial responsiblity as a woman but to empower yourself. Hence "women empowerment".


In this current century ,women still give birth and take care of homes and their children so i don't even see the comparism between now and our mothers of the old,infact women now have more duties when it comes to kids with perverts running around and the dark side of technology etc. The only thing i see that is different is the level of freedom which you seem to be bitter about hence this your comment

us to be the provider men of the past while women are free to not be women of the past. Women of the past were more useful to their husbands: they gave birth, took care of the children, accepted the man was the head of the house, listened to their husbands' commands and rules (the husband's authority was finally), consistently and without fail did the chores of cooking, cleaning, and tidying, respected their husbands, gave sex whenever the man wanted etc. all these in return for the man being the provider.

Which brings me back to the issue of control and manipulation which the woman must strive to be free from for her own good not so she can be equal .Our mothers endured alot in the past not because they were happy but they had no choice infact in my culture leaving your husband's house was a taboo. So these men knew their wives were going nowhere so they did whatever they liked cos the tradition was all in their favour. Your choice of word like "commands and rules" is a justification that truly women of old adapted patience as means of survival and not because they liked it .

wow! I give it to you baby girl, you are good. Pocohantas, I've found a new crush

Martinez39:
Lol. I never said men made women do such. Lies and misrepresentation are hallmark of those whose arguments lack substance. Men and women had roles that were accepted. Both genders had responsibilities which if they didn't keep they faced certain consequences . A man who could provide could hardly get married while a woman that could play these roles was shunned. Don't act like women are the only ones with some burden placed on them by men.

You arguments presupposes that men are manipulative and controlling because they have money. No woman, even feminists, would pay part of the bills and do the chores alone. You are living in an alternate universe. You lie when you say women pay part of the bills and do the chores alone. In fact, it happens that women are provided for and they might don't do the chores for whatever reason (either because "it's too stressful looking after the kids", "she is not his slave and he should get a house help" etc). Most women, even feminists, run to provider men for marriage and bills, so i don't know what you are talking about.

Some of what you are saying are detached from reality. Women are the ones that think that being a career woman is more prestigious than being a housewife, women thought this up themselves. Women also taught that they are equal to men. Even at that, men still have it thrown at them that are supposed to provide and no one baits an eye a woman marries a provider male even if she is a feminist. Feminists are hypocrites and the problems you are ranting about are nonexistent. Women are not taking double responsibilities. You are under a misapprehension.

Women are already empowered. They have rights and opportunities. Nothing is stopping them from making money so all these talks of women empowerment is crazy and unwarranted.

the bodled , consequences enforced by who made by who?lol. Let me answer that the patraichy run society.

Women will be fully empowered when the laws of divorce are reviewed ,child support is in place , and traditions relating to girl child inheritance ,child marriage , widow maltreatment etc are scrapped.


How Do I Understand/satisfy My Husband?

This particular thread is still in front page ,but you will likely avoid it. Many Nigerian women share bills or even take up full responsibility and that is a fact. But the question here is have men taken up the biological responsibilty ? No. A domesticated man is seen as not manly.

If i go to work ,you go to work, we pay equal bills ,you should be ready to bath the children ,and do other things.

The second bolded says a typical male nairalander that cares to sing like a bird at any time "what do women bring to the table". Lol

JONNYSPUTE:
.. Agreed. Women should start paying us alimony after divorce. Wonderful.

lol ,you seem to be very thirsty for my reply

henryobinna:
where are you getting your facts from?

I think in reality it's contrary to what you posit here.

Feminism actually is towards the opposite of what you're saying here if my memory of feminism serves me right.


From my understanding of the whole movement on feminism and other social justice movements is that their sole aim is to emasculate men.

It doesn't matter what role men decide to take up. Long as it's not a role that puts the man where he's decider of his actions.

Lol, really?, thats a new one, atleast not here in Nigeria

Ladycewhy:
lol ,you seem to be very thirsty for my reply

..Thirsty as in? I only quoted you because you just made sense.

Dimples0303:



As a feminist, my need is to be allowed (cheesy grin) my independence while still in a loving relationship with a man... Are you telling me that because I won't submit then I must stay single?

I'm afraid yes.

Personally, I won't go into such a relationship. Obviously that's why more and more families are getting messed up. The American society is the worst hit, the whole trend has affected their young population. A whole lot of them are denouncing modern day feminists and feminism; that includes women as well denouncing

Ryan03:
wow! I give it to you baby girl, you are good. Pocohantas, I've found a new crush

lol, i am flattered.

Eyeness:
Martinez39 is a redpiller and an incel. Arguing with him will only be to your demerit as he will bring you to his level and beat you with experience.

lol, you mean the regurgitated lines he keeps spewing ,lol. I dont even have time for his antics ,i spotted the anger in his life with his first comment just knew something was wrong with him now that you have pointed out that his is an incel i guess his goons he mentioned are too. Lol my instincts were right afterall ,such a wounded lion.lol

Dimples0303:


I think people like op, who wants the freedom without the financial responsibility are the ones making a joke of feminism and that's why you and many men are confused.

I agree with you 100, that a man is not responsible for providing for an able-bodied woman like himself. My nephews and sons will never have to deal with that because women have bought their freedom as far as I am concerned.

I will not be raising boys who are burden by another woman, and I will not raise girls who are told their only use is to cook and pop babies.

We are a new generation and we need to let go of our parents way and create a new way for ourselves and our children's children might change everything back or do it a completely different way.

base in this post, I'll like to ask, if the man provides for himself and the woman does same, who provide for the kids? Who do the chores?

Ryan03:
base in this post, I'll like to ask, if the man provides for himself and the woman does same, who provide for the kids? Who do the chores?

lol good question.

Ladycewhy:
the bodled , consequences enforced by who made by who?lol. Let me answer that the patraichy run society.

Patriarchy doesn't necessarily mean misogyny or unfair treatment of women anymore than matriarchy wouldn't necessarily mean misandry and unfair treatment of men. The cultural settings I highlighted was division of labour at it's finest. As long both men and women had responsibilities, there was no unfair treatment and whosoever enforced these responsibilities is irrelevant. It still wouldn't change the four points I gave.

Women will be fully empowered when the laws of divorce are reviewed ,child support is in place , and traditions relating to girl child inheritance ,child marriage , widow maltreatment etc are scrapped.

Women are already empowered. They already have rights and opportunities as men. If that is not enough for you, you are on your own. So you think women need divorce laws and child support laws to be empowered? You are indirectly admitting that women need to somehow extract a man's resources to be empowered. You have got to be kidding me. Your agenda to bring over the misandric injustices we see in the divorce courts of developed countries will not work. Women are already empowered and are not oppressed. Their destinies are their own hands. Let them go and hustle. So this is what you are all about. By the way, no one is maltreating widows.

Funny how you think setting up divorce laws and child support laws are empowering. I knew, and I said, that all these women empowerment talks are ridiculous garbages, romancing of nonexistent oppression of women, and such "women empowerment" invariably has ulterior motives. I am emmaodet argued this with someone. The issues of widow maltreatment and girl child inheritance are issues that are behind us except in few societies like Islamic societies.

JONNYSPUTE, emmaodet, Omar09, CAPSLOCKED, AstroG, healthserve.

How Do I Understand/satisfy My Husband?

This particular thread is still in front page ,but you will likely avoid it. Many Nigerian women share bills or even take up full responsibility and that is a fact. But the question here is have men taken up the biological responsibilty ? No. A domesticated man is seen as not manly.

You are missing the point. You claimed women are taking double responsibilities and men ought to solely provide. My argument was that men don't owe women a dime, it is not incumbent on men to provide, and women don't have double responsibilities.

If i go to work ,you go to work, we pay equal bills ,you should be ready to bath the children ,and do other things.

Lol. Women are usually guilty of not keeping up to this. Go figure! Even feminists run to comfort and support the idea that men are to provide when sh!t hit the fan and most women, even feminists, still practice "my money is my money, your money is our money". The scenerios you are crying over are nonexistent. Given all these privileges and hypocrisy, women stand more to lose and men stand to gain more if what you wrote is to be enacted.

The bolded says a typical male nairalander that cares to sing like a bird at any time "what do women bring to the table". Lol

Who would you rather have in your life, someone that brings sex or someone that brings money? Food for thought.

Eyeness:
Martinez39 is a redpiller and an incel. Arguing with him will only be to your demerit as he will bring you to his level and beat you with experience.

Hahahahaha. I expected more rude remarks, shaming, and insults but you tried. Give your self a round of applause.

@Ladycewhy, since you have taken the discussion away from reasoning into shaming and throwing rude remarks, I end our fruitless discussion.

Martinez39:
Patriarchy doesn't necessarily mean misogyny or unfair treatment of women anymore than matriarchy wouldn't necessarily mean misandry and unfair treatment of men. The cultural settings I highlighted was division of labour at it's finest. As long both men and women had responsibilities, there was no unfair treatment and whosoever enforced these responsibilities is irrelevant. It still wouldn't change the four points I gave.

Women are already empowered. They already have rights and opportunities as men. If that is not enough for you, you are on your own. So you think women need divorce laws and child support laws to be empowered? You are indirectly admitting that women need to somehow extract a man's resources to be empowered. You have got to be kidding me. Your agenda to bring over the misandric injustices we see in the divorce courts of developed countries will not work. Women are already empowered and are not oppressed. Their destinies are their own hands. Let them go and hustle. So this is what you are all about. By the way, no one is maltreating widows.

Funny how you think setting up divorce laws and child support laws are empowering. I knew, and I said, that all these women empowerment talks are ridiculous garbages and romancing of nonexistent oppression of women. Also, women empowerment invariably has ulterior motives. The issues of widow maltreatment and girl child inheritance are issues that are behind us except in few societies like Islamic societies.

JONNYSPUTE, emmaodet, Omar09, CAPSLOCKED, AstroG, healthserve.


You are missing the point. You claimed women are taking responsibilities and men ought to solely provide. My argument was that men don't owe women a dime and it is not incumbent on men to provide.

Lol. Women are usually guilty of not keeping up to this. Go figure! Even feminists run to comfort and support the idea that men are to provide when sh!t hit the fan and most women, even feminists, still practice "my money is my money, your money is our money". The scenerios you are crying over are nonexistent. Given all these privileges and hypocrisy, women stand more to lose and men stand to gain more if what you wrote is to be enacted.

Who would you rather have in your life, someone that brings sex or someone that brings money? Food for thought.

what a load of delusion grandeur, lol do you know how many women are kicked out every day of their marital homes everyday? Go to welfare and see pending cases, do you know how many families still don't believe in girl child inheritance my tribe for one still does it, do you know how many widows still suffer maltreatment.If you call providing equal support for your kids as injustice it shows just how much of a misguided incel you truly are lol,no wonder we have so many deadbeat dads in Nigeria.



Women are no longer caged like it was in the old days where leaving your marriage was a taboo and a dishonour to your family name but we are not where we have to be yet. Many of the things i mentioned are still very much in the Nigerian society and this is what feminism should be chasing.

And by the way ,you are not in the position to tell women if they are empowered enough,i feel you feel threatened or something to think that status quo is OK like this,lol.

Martinez39:
Hahahahaha. I expected more rude remarks, shaming, and insults but you tried. Give your self a round of applause.

@Ladycewhy, since you have taken the discussion away from reasoning into shaming and throwing rude remarks, I end our fruitless discussion.

you have been ending it since your very first comment, but for some reason you just cant help it,lol

Ladycewhy:
what a load of delusion grandeur, lol do you know how many women are kicked out every day of their marital homes everyday? Go to welfare and see pending cases, do you know how many families still don't believe in girl child inheritance my tribe for one still does it, do you know how many widows still suffer maltreatment.If you call providing equal support for your kids and injustice it shows just how much of a misguided incel you truly are lol.

Women are no longer caged like it was in the old days where leaving your marriage was a taboo and a dishonour to your family name but we are not where we have to be yet. Many of the things i mentioned are still very much in the Nigerian society and this is what feminism should be chasing.

And by the way ,you are not in the position to tell women if they are empowered enough,i feel you feel threatened or something to think that status quo is OK like this,lol.

I am no more arguing with you. All I can say is that in culpable tribes (which are a very small minority and whose practices are dying out), channel your feminism. All women need are the same rights and opportunities as men. They don't need child support laws and divorce laws. If you fear that a woman can get kicked out, why don't you fear that a woman can abandon her husband? I am not surprised since with feminism, women are victims men are oppressors.

Good day. I will no longer argue with you. Say what you want.

Ladycewhy:
you have been ending it since your very first comment, but for some reason you just cant help it,lol

Each time I say "good day" or "I rest my case", it is usually when I present arguments that are sound and can't be refuted and I mean to say K. O. Don't worry, I have explicitly stated that I won't argue with you again in my last post and I will keep to it.

Martinez39:
I am no more arguing with you. All I can say is that in culpable tribes (which are a very small minority and whose practices are dying out), channel your feminism. All women need are the same rights and opportunities as men. They don't need child support laws and divorce laws. If you fear that a woman can get kicked out, why don't you fear that a woman can abandon her husband? I am not surprised since with feminism, women are victims men are oppressors.

Good day. I will no longer argue with you. Say what you want.

lol na that one dey fear you , taking care if your children,cos for now you can kick a woman out with children and nothing will happen even if that woman has been spliting the bills with you ,,you can wake up one day and say you dont like the way she cooks her stew and kick her out, lol. But come o why do you see it as an injustice to take care of your children, that choice of word from you is very interesting.lol.child support is an injustice ,how cool no wonder dead beat dads litter Nigeria.


A woman doesn't kick out ,you are comparing apples and oranges ,a stranded woman with kids and a man left in a shelter are two different things.lol . I can give 20 cases of women thrown out and stranded while you will struggle to get one for a man stranded after his wife left him in a house.

You are so convinced that you have the facts where as you don't ,lol women are empowered enough, lol how deluded. Either you dont live in Nigeria ,like to lie to yourself or live under a rock to have convinced yourself that women are empowered enough in Nigeria.lol

Martinez39:
Each time I say "good day" or "I rest my case", it is usually when I present arguments that are sound and can't be refuted and I mean to say K. O. Don't worry, I have explicitly stated that I won't argue with you again in my last post and I will keep to it.

lol see this one, in your tiwsted incel mind ,lol . Even a mad man is sane to himself,nor be you wan tell me say your argument dey sound, you are a self conceited person ,and that is the youngest brother of narcissists,you said feminist are toxic but it seems your own toxicity is glaring ,lol. I think this is part of the side effects of those pills you keep taking,lol

henryobinna:


I'm afraid yes.

Personally, I won't go into such a relationship. Obviously that's why more and more families are getting messed up. The American society is the worst hit, the whole trend has affected their young population. A whole lot of them are denouncing modern day feminists and feminism; that includes women as well denouncing

I can respect the bolded.

Ryan03:
base in this post, I'll like to ask, if the man provides for himself and the woman does same, who provide for the kids? Who do the chores?

These are the questions that bother you people?

This is a joke... Put the kids in the bin and dash the dishes in after them...

You're having a meaningfull debate with these biitches to either educate them or learn from them next thing you would see is insults upon insults.they result to insults whenever they run short of valid points to back up their rants. What these bitches want from a nigga!!!

MichaelBukamzy:
You're having a meaningfull debate with these biitches to eighter educate them or learn from them next thing you would see is insults upon insults.they result to insults whenever they run short of valid points to back up their rants. What these bitches want from a nigga!!!

If they don't understand logic and deductive reasons, na insult go next. It's only Dimples that understands him better.

What Martinez has been is very simple. If a woman wants a man to be a provider, which is traditional role of men living in the past, then that woman should be ready to become a traditional wife too by doing house chores, cooking, and taking care of the kids.

You want your man to be a traditional husband but you want to be modern wife. That's double standard.

Korllami007:




If they don't understand logic and deductive reasons, na insult go next. It's only Dimples that understands him better.

What Martinez has been is very simple. If a woman wants a man to be a provider, which is traditional role of men living in the past, then that woman should be ready to become a traditional wife too by doing house chores, cooking, and taking care of the kids.

You want your man to be a traditional husband but you want to be modern wife. That's double standard.

are women of this days not doing chores ,taking care of kids and cooking along side with sharing bills ? I am lost please tell me or have these roles been given to modern Nigerian men that i dont know of?

As for your assertion, i am sure you were blind of the way he described feminist like he had a bone to pick with them ,well turns out he is a self conceited fellow who is just as toxic as well. Lol

Korllami007:




If they don't understand logic and deductive reasons, na insult go next. It's only Dimples that understands him better.

What Martinez has been is very simple. If a woman wants a man to be a provider, which is traditional role of men living in the past, then that woman should be ready to become a traditional wife too by doing house chores, cooking, and taking care of the kids.

You want your man to be a traditional husband but you want to be modern wife. That's double standard.

.. When Martinez arrived at this,I thought the whole arguments will end but no it didn't. You know why?They will never agree with Martinez submission. Martinez39 strong walahi.

Korllami007:




If they don't understand logic and deductive reasons, na insult go next. It's only Dimples that understands him better.

What Martinez has been is very simple. If a woman wants a man to be a provider, which is traditional role of men living in the past, then that woman should be ready to become a traditional wife too by doing house chores, cooking, and taking care of the kids.

You want your man to be a traditional husband but you want to be modern wife. That's double standard.

simple!!! Someone raised a valid point instead of the biitch to argue it inteligently,she started throwing shades upon shades at both the guy and the lady that agreed with him.unfortunately for her imature ass they both were'nt ready for her childish insults.i swear most of these biitches can't even face or speak to martinez or ubunja in real life.

MichaelBukamzy:
simple!!! Someone raised a valid point instead of the biitch to argue it inteligently,she started throwing shades upon shades at both the guy and the lady that agreed with him.unfortunately for her imature ass they both were'nt ready for her childish insults.i swear most of these biitches can't even face or speak to martinez or ubunja in real life.

lol, why didn't you quote me to say this ,or you dey fear? Lol. We know your type mr bitch talker. Lol

JONNYSPUTE:
.. When Martinez arrived at this,I thought the whole arguments will end but no it didn't. You know why?They will never agree with Martinez submission. Martinez39 strong walahi.

and as for you since you are thirsty ,can you tell me where modern women have stopped taking care of children ,doing chores etc, except for the fact that ontop of that she even now has to share bills with men ,lol

Ladycewhy:
lol, why didn't you quote me to say this ,or you dey fear? Lol. We know your type mr bitch talker. Lol

Normaly i weigh biitches on their level of intelligence and IQ before engaging them on a debate like this.i'm sorry mrs feminist you aint qualified.we know the real/reasonable feminists when we see them. Peace

MichaelBukamzy:
Normaly i weigh biitches on their level of intelligence and IQ before engaging them on a debate like this.i'm sorry mrs feminist you aint qualified.we know the real/reasonable feminists when we see them. Peace

lol,says another incel with a mixture of stupidity and a gene of asshole lol.

You have nothing to say ,lol, your mentors you are here fighting for can be ancestors or ancient of days ,for their pockets lol,who dem epp? Wetin dey their face to? Lol . Oya shame the devil and drop something sensible and not rant. I am sure you were blind to the shades that flew at me first ,lol obviously i didnt expect you to see it being that you are blinded by your asshole gene,dickhead peace to you too lol.

JONNYSPUTE:
.. When Martinez arrived at this,I thought the whole arguments will end but no it didn't. You know why?They will never agree with Martinez submission. Martinez39 strong walahi.

Nna, I weak o. I could have continued debunking and deconstructing her irrational and directionless arguments but I can't go on forever. Women have rights and opportunities as men but, according to the op, it's not empowerment and women need the evil divorce laws and child support laws in the US and other developed countries to be empowered. What sort of logic is that? So divorce laws and child support are women empowerments? You can see we have a crook here. So she needs misandric laws that can be abused to ruthlessly extort money from men before she can be empowered? She and her kind want to open a pandora box.

In life, every decision has it consequences and we must not create a society that absolves individuals of being held accountable. No man forced any woman to marry and no woman forced any man to marry. The risks of marriage include disappointment and unfaithfulness from a spouse, making sacrifices that are eventually futile, a complete turn around in the attitude of your spouse etc. You have no excuse to not be aware of the risks of marriage and it is your responsibility to bear the consequences if your marriage choices backfire and your marriage hits rock-bottom instead of running to the government soliciting child support and alimony. If you can't take the risk, don't get married or don't, as a woman, open your legs and get pregnant for some fvck boy. If op is so concerned about fathers leaving their children, what happens to suing for parental neglect? Why child support and alimony? Because we have a crook and hypocrite on our hands. She has ulterior motives.

If a woman has an abusive husband, let her leave the marriage and let him be punished under the law as an abuser. Its wrong if he is asked to compensate with his properties and cash because women will abuse such laws to set their husbands up and government could tax the money (like they do in the USA) and boom, we have a law that government is motivated to keep and exploit alongside with women. The same applies to alimony and child support. Marriage would turn to a business scheme with the divorce and alimony laws we see in western countries. The price the man needs to pay will keep rising. During a divorce, both individuals in a marriage should be separated such that none makes away with the other's assets or cash. It's funny how she thinks men don't like taking care of their children while forgetting the one's that dump and kill their new borns.

The only thing government must get involved in is parental neglect and when it comes to financially taking care of the kids, the husband and wife must be held accountable no matter what. Nothing stops the women from building wealth before and during the marriage, same with man. All things being equal, custody should be given to who earns more except if the person wants joint custody or grants sole custody to the other. Bad choices, bad consequences.

I rest my case.

Korllami007:



If they don't understand logic and deductive reasons, na insult go next. It's only Dimples that understands him better.

What Martinez has been is very simple. If a woman wants a man to be a provider, which is traditional role of men living in the past, then that woman should be ready to become a traditional wife too by doing house chores, cooking, and taking care of the kids.

You want your man to be a traditional husband but you want to be modern wife. That's double standard.

Don't mind her. By her logic, I am an incel for holding the views I have. Once unintelligent and emotional people can't refute your claims, they start insulting or shaming you. I am not surprised.