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Re: My Opinion On Feminism by WorkSmartEdu: 12:44pm On Nov 24, 2019
[b]I spent a very long time going through this post comment after comment and I want to salute the men and women who are standing against this recent madness which many unfortunate females are calling "feminism"

I am a strong believer of equal opportunities for all whether male or female and as a husband and father who has the mixture of both sexes, it is imperative that I drill into them the realities of planet Earth as nature is just unforgiving and the fools who fail to learn from it will have themselves to blame.

This game of marriage is a team game....QED and just like in every team there are defined roles for each member. A goal keeper cannot be struggling to take a penalty kick with an astute striker. The only opportunity a goalie will have at a penalty kick is if they are ajugded the best taker or if every other better positioned players have failed.

In my family, my instructions and directions are clear. I am capable enough to provide for my family and my extended family (wife's family) and I need a helper who will produce my kids and help me take care of them and carry out domestic activities which are places that I don't class as my forte. Now it got to a point from I presume reading some vile posts from these frustrated girls and single mothers who hate men, my wife wanted to challenge that guideline, I carefully cancelled my initial plans to send her abroad fro further studies, sat her down and offered to continue paying her the salary of over 1.8m per annum excluding over 150k in bulk sum each quarter that I am paying her because we have children now and they are my priority so that she will let me BOUNCE as I was willing to keep paying the house rent for her and have joint custody of our kids. I was thinking she would jump at the offer, but alas she started weeping and gathered both families that I shouldn't go..Lool!

See eeeh I am a man's man and I would not debate what that means. I am willing to take the bullet for my family but what I won't accept is the madness of two captains in a ship. Hell No!

My daughters will grow coming from a position of priviledge and some level of wealth and will have equal opportunities like my sons. But I promise to raise them up just like my mother with the clear understanding that irrespective of what you have and who you are, that there must never be two leaders in a progressive team and that Nature provided roles and guidelines and no one fights nature and wins.
She must learn to ignore the probable idiots who are dishonest in their cravings and who hate all men and want all men subdued under the ridiculous tag of "feminism".

But men please and please do not insist on my path if you are deficient in providing for your family and household and also don't think it unfair if your wife insists you do house chores if she contributes to the family not because she wants to but because she has to!
I help out on some chores when I feel like and not because I am compelled to. I also raise my kids at any given opportunity that I stay with them just because I believe I have better experience at it. By the way since my woman got back to her senses, I have invested over 1.5m in a business for her too but with very clear instructions that if she allows the small wealth she is getting as a result get to her head and forget our family commitments, there will be consequences.

Nature will take care of these oversabi wannabe men-women who are hiding under the cloak of "feminism". [/b]

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Re: My Opinion On Feminism by Martinez39(m): 12:54pm On Nov 24, 2019
Baldwretch:


I think I have to agree. Women have no excuse. Do men enjoy special rights and opportunities that women do not enjoy? NOPE.
Don't mind them. If there are tribes in Nigeria in which women are oppressed as the op said, why not champion equal rights and opportunities for those women? Why did she ignore that and sort divorce laws and child support laws as women empowerment even though the true empowerment of women is giving them equal rights and opportunities as men? She is seeking the wicked and brutal divorce laws and child support laws of western societies. If funny how a woman who thinks she is equal and independent needs laws that would enable her fleece and brutally extract resources from men.

She and her goons want such laws without regards to the consequences just like a typical woman. The fact that such laws have decreased marriage rate in western societies and given rise to the fast growing MGTOW movement isn't even taken into account. The fact that such laws are ruthlessly exploited and marriage has turned to business schemes by women isn't taken into account. The fact that the overwhelming majority of men, even their male relatives and loved ones, are breadwinners of their families and would be at the losing end isn't taken into account. The fact that government taxes the money they extract from men in form of settlement, alimony and child support and would be motivated to increase these prices at any opportunity and with any excuse and rule in favour of the woman isn't taken into account.

These Jezebels and Delilahs want what they want and they want it now without any regards to consequences. I am sure these would be the women supporting the prosecution of men, without evidence, due to rape allegations and would be in full support of laughable and dangerous movements like MeToo and #BelieveAllWomen. grin It's all about scheming to selfishly turn things in the favour and hand themselves prodigious power regardless of who they throw under the bus. These women are evil.
Re: My Opinion On Feminism by Martinez39(m): 1:27pm On Nov 24, 2019
WorkSmartEdu:

In my family, my instructions and directions are clear. I am capable enough to provide for my family and my extended family (wife's family) and I need a helper who will produce my kids and help me take care of them and carry out domestic activities which are places that I don't class as my forte. Now it got to a point from I presume reading some vile posts from these frustrated girls and single mothers who hate men, my wife wanted to challenge that guideline, I carefully cancelled my initial plans to send her abroad fro further studies, sat her down and offered to continue paying her the salary of over 1.8m per annum excluding over 150k in bulk sum each quarter that I am paying her because we have children now and they are my priority so that she will let me BOUNCE as I was willing to keep paying the house rent for her and have joint custody of our kids. I was thinking she would jump at the offer, but alas she started weeping and gathered both families that I shouldn't go..Lool!
@Emboldened
Women are like hyenas. When you set your standards as the head and run your household as the head, they will always deep their feet in the waters testing for weaknesses and trying to see if you will compromise and let them have their way. Gradually, if you are weak and you let them, they scheme their way to rubbing shoulders with you and doing whatever they want to becoming the head even if you are doing the providing. grin

@red
You responded well. When the standards of a strong man are being defied by his woman (whom he is providing for), he calls her to order immediately and takes drastic step to cut her wings. I might sound like a misogynist but seeing what your wife was trying to do and the fact that history and experiences have taught us that providing or higher earnings wives show their husbands hell and disrespect, it was shrewd of you to do what you did. Give the exposed modern woman a degree (MSc or PhD) and a high paying job that makes her earn more than her husband and the feminist and ego in her comes out unrestrained. Even if you trained her in school and provided for her freely without demanding a refund, any money she grants you must be paid back. If you delay or don't pay, prepare to be nagged and fought with.

@blue
You spoilt her plans to raise her shoulders and be "strong and independent". grin Her earnest desire for that opportunity showed when she rallied family members to plead with you. Glad you didn't get emotional and fell for it.

N.B: I am not saying you should hate your wife, I would never do that but it's imperative that we understand female nature and walk cautiously.

See eeeh I am a man's man and I would not debate what that means. I am willing to take the bullet for my family but what I won't accept is the madness of two captains in a ship. Hell No!
Exactly! Marriage is like a ship and two captains can't run a ship.

My daughters will grow coming from a position of priviledge and some level of wealth and will have equal opportunities like my sons.
Very good of you. Equal rights and opportunities for women.

But I promise to raise them up just like my mother with the clear understanding that irrespective of what you have and who you are, that there must never be two leaders in a progressive team and that Nature provided roles and guidelines and no one fights nature and wins.
She must learn to ignore the probable idiots who are dishonest in their cravings and who hate all men and want all men subdued under the ridiculous tag of "feminism".
Outstanding. Also teach them to avoid feminist friends as married women. Many good married women and their marriages fell apart when these married women started hanging around feminist friends who introduced them to "progressive" ideas.

But men please and please do not insist on my path if you are deficient in providing for your family and household and also don't think it unfair if your wife insists you do house chores if she contributes to the family not because she wants to but because she has to!
I help out on some chores when I feel like and not because I am compelled to. I also raise my kids at any given opportunity that I stay with them just because I believe I have better experience at it.
Good. I agree with this.

By the way since my woman got back to her senses, I have invested over 1.5m in a business for her too but with very clear instructions that if she allows the small wealth she is getting as a result get to her head and forget our family commitments, there will be consequences.
Very good.

Nature will take care of these oversabi wannabe men-women who are hiding under the cloak of "feminism".
Abi na. As long as most men stop being weak and shy and are willing to call our feminist nonsense and put these feminists in their place then no problem.

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Re: My Opinion On Feminism by liberalchick(f): 2:24pm On Nov 24, 2019
Baldwretch:


I am not ignorant of the fact that women also pay alimony and child support...

This scenario that you people have created where during a divorce the law favors women, the men are stripped of their wealth and the women ride off into the sunset richer while the man is left in penury is a very huge lie. 1. It’s a percentage of earned wealth during the marriage not the man’s entire net worth. 2. The woman is never ever richer than the man after the settlement. 3. Most of the men make the settlement money back. 4. The money seems a lot because you’re looking at it through your ‘poor’ man’s lens. $750M (doubt it was that amount) to Tiger is 75 cents to you and I. A couple that earned $75k while they were married will also be subjected to the same ratio.

Again, the above scenario is for the 1% of the population.

The courts believe one way or another a union between people contributed to the earned wealth during the union and without one or the other that wealth wouldn’t be possible. It’s believed if a rational human being decide to make a union with another then he does so because he/she believes they would benefit from it.

Humans are selfish and ungrateful it’s common for people to say “what’ve you done for me?” when relationships go sour, the courts don’t live in people’s homes but they believed you when you made that rational decision to marry that person.

If you believe no woman or marriage on earth can help you earn x amount, then don’t marry. If you believe a woman should be entitled to only x, then get a prenup. Americans are not marrying or having kids because most are in debt not because of alimony. If you don’t marry but you co-habit your assets can also be split by the common law.

The law is mostly just and fair and it does what it was created for, you people always say white woman are the real feminist because they contribute financially to marriage 50-50. This law made it possible. Couples are willing to come together without fear or paranoia to pool their financial, physical and emotional resources and create a communal wealth, this is true for majority of Americans.

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Re: My Opinion On Feminism by liberalchick(f): 2:39pm On Nov 24, 2019
Ladycewhy:
i replied one with Adele and Wendy Williams' case but he came back to view and didn't have anything to say again. These boys here are hopeless liars. Just wait they will either ignore this your comment cos they know it is the truth or twist it ,lol

Don’t mind them. The irony is some sort of law that recognizes the contribution of a spouse in a marriage will benefit men and women in Nigeria. There’ll be be no need for “your money our money”, the law already takes care of that for you and both can focus on building their wealth.

The way it’s set up in Nigeria now, I would advice every Nigerian bride once they’ve exchanged vows should start saving and hoarding money for the day she will/might be kicked out or the sudden death of the husband. Most Nigerian men believe a woman brings nothing to a marriage and so she is entitled to nothing.

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Re: My Opinion On Feminism by ThothHermes: 3:10pm On Nov 24, 2019
WorkSmartEdu:
[b]I spent a very long time going through this post comment after comment and I want to salute the men and women who are standing against this recent madness which many unfortunate females are calling "feminism"

I am a strong believer of equal opportunities for all whether male or female and as a husband and father who has the mixture of both sexes, it is imperative that I drill into them the realities of planet Earth as nature is just unforgiving and the fools who fail to learn from it will have themselves to blame.

This game of marriage is a team game....QED and just like in every team there are defined roles for each member. A goal keeper cannot be struggling to take a penalty kick with an astute striker. The only opportunity a goalie will have at a penalty kick is if they are ajugded the best taker or if every other better positioned players have failed.

In my family, my instructions and directions are clear. I am capable enough to provide for my family and my extended family (wife's family) and I need a helper who will produce my kids and help me take care of them and carry out domestic activities which are places that I don't class as my forte. Now it got to a point from I presume reading some vile posts from these frustrated girls and single mothers who hate men, my wife wanted to challenge that guideline, I carefully cancelled my initial plans to send her abroad fro further studies, sat her down and offered to continue paying her the salary of over 1.8m per annum excluding over 150k in bulk sum each quarter that I am paying her because we have children now and they are my priority so that she will let me BOUNCE as I was willing to keep paying the house rent for her and have joint custody of our kids. I was thinking she would jump at the offer, but alas she started weeping and gathered both families that I shouldn't go..Lool!

See eeeh I am a man's man and I would not debate what that means. I am willing to take the bullet for my family but what I won't accept is the madness of two captains in a ship. Hell No!

My daughters will grow coming from a position of priviledge and some level of wealth and will have equal opportunities like my sons. But I promise to raise them up just like my mother with the clear understanding that irrespective of what you have and who you are, that there must never be two leaders in a progressive team and that Nature provided roles and guidelines and no one fights nature and wins.
She must learn to ignore the probable idiots who are dishonest in their cravings and who hate all men and want all men subdued under the ridiculous tag of "feminism".

But men please and please do not insist on my path if you are deficient in providing for your family and household and also don't think it unfair if your wife insists you do house chores if she contributes to the family not because she wants to but because she has to!
I help out on some chores when I feel like and not because I am compelled to. I also raise my kids at any given opportunity that I stay with them just because I believe I have better experience at it. By the way since my woman got back to her senses, I have invested over 1.5m in a business for her too but with very clear instructions that if she allows the small wealth she is getting as a result get to her head and forget our family commitments, there will be consequences.

Nature will take care of these oversabi wannabe men-women who are hiding under the cloak of "feminism". [/b]
Fantastic. I have always said it that a woman is as feminist as the men in their lives allow them to be.
No woman can say crap to any man who assumes full provider duties, who is not wanting in any area.

Feminists always look for watered-down men to promote their stupid ideas on. A man who fulfills his duties has nothing to worry about because his options are long from here to Bangkok.

You are also right that nature always takes it's course. All the feminists I know are on the internet grin

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Re: My Opinion On Feminism by Martinez39(m): 3:42pm On Nov 24, 2019
This moniker (liberalchick) has always been very misleading when talking about divorce laws and child support laws and she downplays the brutality of such laws to men. She even tells lies at times and act like such wicked divorce and child support laws are for the good of both genders. She didn't add that in 99% of cases, men are the breadwinners of their families and such laws, written in neutral terms, would affect men the most. She also didn't add that divorce laws are harder on men than women. She didn't add that such laws are unjustifiable even if they affected men and women equally.

liberalchick:

This scenario that you people have created where during a divorce the law favors women, the men are stripped of their wealth and the women ride off into sunset richer while the man is left in penury is a very huge lie.
Lol. Women gain way much more from such laws than men since in VIRTUALLY all cases, men are the bread winners. No one ever denied that those law worked both ways. Moreover, in many cases, these laws leave many men poorer than their wives. Many men have to split their net-worth in settlement, give exorbitant prices in alimony, give exorbitant money child support, lose their homes (even it means going homeless), usually have their kids taken away from them and being victims of parental alienation, their prenups are made useless and bypassed, and they go to jail if they can't keep up. Even if the man files for custody, once he is accused by the wife without evidence of being an abuser of any kind to the wife and children, he is presumed guilty.

1. It’s a percentage of earned wealth during the marriage not the man’s entire net worth.
Why don't you mention the percentage? Did you purposely leave that out because you know such percentages are unfair? Beside, whoever said the man is made to give all he has? Seems you feminists love creating nonexistent problems and arguments to go against.

2. The woman is never ever richer than the man after the settlement.
As I have said, in many cases, she is. It is usually the millionaires and billionaires who keep earning that are richer than their wives. Most men go broke and even commit suicide due to the strain. Suicide is very common among these men but you, as expected, left that out. Even if the woman is never richer in all cases, you failed, for obvious reasons, to point out that what the courts permit them the extract from the man is unjustifiable and exorbitant. You also failed to point out that a prenup can be pushed aside for flimsy reasons and then the man is completely wrecked. Why did you also fail to point out that women are usually granted full custody and automatically believed when they accuse their husbands in the divorce courts of domestic violence and sexual abuse of the wife and kids? Why didn't you point out that during cases of paternity fraud, men are still ordered to pay child support and the woman isn't obliged to produce the name of the true father of the child? Do women enjoy such privileges?

Why did you also fail to mention that the man is mandated to pay for his wife's legal fees and his own legal fees? Why did you fail to mention that the woman can sue again after some time claiming that the money isn't enough and their request is granted? Why did you fail to mention that many men are mandated to pay life time alimony? Do women have it as hard as this?

3. Most of the men make the settlement money back.
Wrong! You are a pure liar. Most don't and go broke. Many even commit suicide after being financially wrecked and separated from their kids.

4. The money seems a lot because you’re looking at it through your ‘poor’ man’s lens. $750M (doubt it was that amount) to Tiger is 75 cents to you and I. A couple that earned $75k while they were married will also be subjected to the same ratio.
Shaming as usual. Nothing justifies such amount and don't cunningly write a "couple that earns..." because we know that even when men do the earnings alone, women still extract ridiculous amounts of money that they didn't earn in court. Tiger Woods wife was just a baby sitter; Tiger Woods earned his money alone; and it's unjustifiable to give a $750M in divorce settlements just because she was married to him even if the money is like 75 cents to you and I. In fact, it's a flat out lie that $750M to Tiger Woods is like 75 cents to you and I except we are very broke. Even Donald Trump (with a net worth of $4B) would weep if $750M was taken away from him unfairly. I don't blame you for thinking this way, you have probably never worked for your money and you have never toiled to amass great wealth.

Again, the above scenario is for the 1% of the population.
Divorce laws apply to all men that are bread winners and only the 1% can pick themselves up. It still doesn't justify the money taken away from them so what is your point?

The courts believe one way or another a union between people contributed to the earned wealth during the union and without one or the other that wealth wouldn’t be possible. It’s believed if a rational human being decide to make a union with another then he does so because he/she believes they would benefit from it.
This is a very stupid assumption to apply to every one. Does this stupid assumption justify the $750M Tiger Woods gave his wife? How did she help him make money? Did she play golf with him? Coby Bryant gave millions and houses to his wife even though the woman has never played what Coby played half his life? How did their wives contribute to making them money? So are you saying that if those women weren't there these men wouldn't have made money? Why don't the courts ever look into the money these women brought in and have them walk away with it during divorce? If they did, Tiger Woods wife wouldn't even smell $200,000. grin

You are simply being cunning, dishonest, and selective with your arguments.

Humans are selfish and ungrateful it’s common for people to say “what’ve you done for me?” when relationships go sour, the courts don’t live in people’s homes but they believed you when you made that rational decision to marry that person.
Blah blah blah blah blah. I wonder what this mean. grin

If you believe no woman or marriage on earth can help you earn x amount, then don’t marry. If you believe a woman should be entitled to only x, then get a prenup. Americans are not marrying or having kids because most are in debt not because of alimony. If you don’t marry but you co-habit your assets can also be split by the common law.
Marriage is a risk that could backfire and you have no excuse not to be aware of the risks. People should be made to walk away from the marriage just as they came and with what they own instead of running to the government to extract ridiculous and exorbitant amounts from your husband. You cleverly failed to mentioned that prenups are useless and could be bypassed. Dishonest and crooked liberalchick. grin

The law is mostly just and fair and it does what it was created for, you people always say white woman are the real feminist because they contribute financially to marriage 50-50. This law made it possible. Couples are willing to come together without fear or paranoia to pool their financial, physical and emotional resources and create a communal wealth, this is true for majority of Americans.
Mostly just? A shabby try at word play. What you wrote here is rubbish. No matter the contributions of the wife, as long as the man is the bread winner, he will get his butt smacked even if the wife contributed nothing to the marriage. The laws should be scraped. These laws don't achieve anything good except for the women and have turned marriage to a business scheme. It has led to the rise of MGTOW, a fast increasing movement. You are full of dishonesty.

N.B: I wouldn't, for obvious reason, go back and forth with you on this and I rest my case. I wouldn't even respond to your reply (if you did give one). Good day.

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Re: My Opinion On Feminism by Baldwretch: 4:03pm On Nov 24, 2019
liberalchick:


This scenario that you people have created where during a divorce the law favors women, the men are stripped of their wealth and the women ride off into the sunset richer while the man is left in penury is a very huge lie. 1. It’s a percentage of earned wealth during the marriage not the man’s entire net worth. 2. The woman is never ever richer than the man after the settlement. 3. Most of the men make the settlement money back. 4. The money seems a lot because you’re looking at it through your ‘poor’ man’s lens. $750M (doubt it was that amount) to Tiger is 75 cents to you and I. A couple that earned $75k while they were married will also be subjected to the same ratio.

Again, the above scenario is for the 1% of the population.

The courts believe one way or another a union between people contributed to the earned wealth during the union and without one or the other that wealth wouldn’t be possible. It’s believed if a rational human being decide to make a union with another then he does so because he/she believes they would benefit from it.

Humans are selfish and ungrateful it’s common for people to say “What’ve you done for me?” when relationships go sour, the courts don’t live in people’s homes but they believed you when you made that rational decision to marry that person.

If you believe no woman or marriage on earth can help you earn x amount, then don’t marry. If you believe a woman should be entitled to only x, then get a prenup. Americans are not marrying or having kids because most are in debt not because of alimony. If you don’t marry but you co-habit your assets can also be split by the common law.

The law is mostly just and fair and it does what it was created for, you people always say white woman are the real feminist because they contribute financially to marriage 50-50. This law made it possible. Couples are willing to come together without fear or paranoia to pool their financial, physical and emotional resources and create a communal wealth, this is true for majority of Americans.

It seems you're simply being dishonest or at best ignorant. Talking about the US: The US divorce laws differ by state and since there's a marked difference, all of them cannot be fair, can they? The judgement is based on what the state senses is fair.

I am not saying the settlement makes her richer than the man; I am saying the ratio of the divorce settlement makes no sense. You said

> 1. It’s a percentage of earned wealth during the marriage not the man’s entire net worth.

The distribution of wealth and assets and debt is determined by many factors like the length of the marriage, the income or property brought into the marriage by each spouse and many others but it still makes no sense. Let's use Tiger Woods here. So he was married to Elin Nordegren for just 6 years. Lmao, it's only 6 yeas oo, and she gets to keep $750M and custody of her kids. Oh and by the way, women would always often get custody of the kids in divorce proceedings and this is often unfair to men. Then they have to pay humongous sum for 18 years of the kids existence which is actually garnished with alimony.

Let's do some Maths here. That means the woman earns $125Million every year just for marrying Woods. If she had worked for $60/hour (no country in the world pays half of that an hour) for 80 hours a week, she still would not earn one fifth of that amount in a year, so who is fooling who? Will the so-called judge who presided over this case fool us? I can give you not one or two or three or four or even five cases, lol, where the divorce settlement judgement just makes you say something is wrong with that man. Does she deserve that amount for a 6 year marriage that has two kids? No! O common aunty, don't be stupid na!

Why does a sane society even need prenup for goodness sake? And even if you have a prenup, there's no guarantee that you wouldn't get burnt in the end. Like, without a prenuptial agreement which is so unreliable, not only will your spouse likely be awarded half of what your income brought to the marital estate, but half of your ownership interest in the business, too (or its value). Is it a fair to grow and pump so much funds into a business that would not blossom instantly anyway, and reap the fruit in equal proportion many years later with someone who barely knows enough about it?

You also said:

4. The money seems a lot because you’re looking at it through your ‘poor’ man’s lens. $750M

Oh not again, sorry, I am looking at it from an objective point of view. If she got that settlement for a 25 years marriage, I would not complain too much but it would still be way over the top. Paying couples outrageous sum because their spouse made a name for themselves/ made it without them, either male or female is sheer nonsense.

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Re: My Opinion On Feminism by Martinez39(m): 4:29pm On Nov 24, 2019
@Baldwretch

Thanks for that awesome reply. You can also check out my reply to her in the post preceding yours. That moniker is known to always act as an apologists for the wicked and irrational divorce and child support laws. This is what you get when you debate with these girls. They will always twist things, lie, and cleverly "edit" the facts to win their case. Notice how she was trying to use shaming by suggesting you are looking at things through a poor man's lens (broke shaming) and it is okay for a woman who has probably never generated $500,000 in her life to make away with $750M because that amount is like 75 cent to her. Lol, calculating Tiger's net worth before the divorce, you have to that broke for that amount to be like 75cents to you. Ever Donald Trump ($4B net worth) would weep if such was taken away from him unfairly. For her to say such, she has probably never worked for money in her life or toiled to amass great wealth. Perhaps, it's her usual dishonesty.

Anyway, we can see that these girls are crooks of devilish proportion and are plain liars and manipulators. Notice how she paints these laws to be for the greater good of both genders as she ignored that these laws are being exploited are putting men to great misery and even suicide. Such laws have even led the establishment of the MGTOW movement and it's rapid growth. Tell me how these laws are beneficial to both genders? grin

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Re: My Opinion On Feminism by liberalchick(f): 4:29pm On Nov 24, 2019
Martinez39:

N.B: I wouldn't, for obvious reason, go back and forth with you on this and I rest my case. I wouldn't even respond to your reply (if you did give one). Good day.

Of course you would fear a response because your posts are always based on lies, conjectures, emotions, paranoia, copy and paste from right wing websites and conspiracy theories. You deal in absolutes which leaves no room for a rational argument. You only excel in your echo chamber.

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Re: My Opinion On Feminism by WorkSmartEdu: 4:47pm On Nov 24, 2019
I believe so too. Can you imagine Innoson's wife, Otedola's wife, Dangote's wife talking some feminism bull-crap? Do you know that even with Okonjo Iweala's achievements, she still knows who is boss at home.

Are you aware that Beyonce still salutes daddy J at home? These idiots with shallow brains look at peeps like Linda Ikeji who says one thing outside and does another as role models. A supposed feminist who after lying bareface that she is celibate was busy taking daddy dick and kneeling down to wipe it clean. We wouldn't have known until nature slapped senses on her through pregnancy.

See the population of girls to boys is almost 4:1 amd is rising. So nature is already making the choices too numerous for future men. The wise ones will get hitched and idiots who want to ride and subdue men will continue to get bitter and frustrated. I don't pity them at all!
The rule of this game is simple. If you don't like the heat get out of the kitchen and stay single. Stop ranting!
ThothHermes:
Fantastic. I have always said it that a woman is as feminist as the men in their lives allow them to be.
No woman can say crap to any man who assumes full provider duties, who is not wanting in any area.

Feminists always look for watered-down men to promote their stupid ideas on. A man who fulfills his duties has nothing to worry about because his options are long from here to Bangkok.

You are also right that nature always takes it's course. All the feminists I know are on the internet grin



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Re: My Opinion On Feminism by liberalchick(f): 4:54pm On Nov 24, 2019
Baldwretch:


It seems you're simply being dishonest or at best ignorant

4. The money seems a lot because you’re looking at it through your ‘poor’ man’s lens. $750M

Oh not again, sorry, I am looking at it from an objective point of view.

And you’re objective? There are no thoughts or posts that is objective or rational if it’s not in context. $750M =\= $750M. Again, the law is universal across states, a ratio is used to divide communal properties. Man, woman, rich, poor are judged by the same laws.

Are you rational in saying a law should be done away with because the 1% are ‘losing’ a portion of their wealth? When the law works just fine for 99% of the population who have to come together to build wealth. Most women are not models that end up with multi millionaires/billionaires. Most women work, raise children, give emotional support etc to build their marriage, the law was created to recognize those contributions!!!

You are rational but you want an organized society to do away with a law because rich men can’t stop marrying gold diggers.

To you the law doesn’t make sense because you think women don’t contribute to marriage and they should be kicked out with nothing when the marriage ends. Civil and sane society disagrees with you. A marriage is a union where both become one to build communal wealth and each states have different laws to calculate what ratios each deserve when the union ends, that is a fair and just law.

In America you have two options, if you believe women don’t contribute to communal wealth, then don’t marry. If you believe they contribute somewhat but not up to the definition of the state, then you get a prenup.

At the bolded;
1. Do you reside in the states?
2. Are you married and reside in the states?
3. Have you ever sought a divorce in the states?
4. Are you a divorce attorney?

Where are you getting your info from? I know where I am getting mine.

P.S.
I noticed you and your cohorts have an issue with my “poor man lens” comment. I know Nigerians easily get triggered when wealth is mentioned, that’s why I carefully typed poor in quotes to suggest the poor is relative to Tiger’s wealth. I am also poor to Tiger woods, Tiwa Savage is poor etc. That’s why I said the money is like 75cents to both of us. FYI, the money is not $750M it’s closer to $100M (a combination of % money accrued during the marriage + a gag order to prevent her from selling her story to the press) not that it matters.

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Re: My Opinion On Feminism by Unpussified: 5:04pm On Nov 24, 2019
WorkSmartEdu:
[b]I spent a very long time going through this post comment after comment and I want to salute the men and women who are standing against this recent madness which many unfortunate females are calling "feminism"

I am a strong believer of equal opportunities for all whether male or female and as a husband and father who has the mixture of both sexes, it is imperative that I drill into them the realities of planet Earth as nature is just unforgiving and the fools who fail to learn from it will have themselves to blame.

This game of marriage is a team game....QED and just like in every team there are defined roles for each member. A goal keeper cannot be struggling to take a penalty kick with an astute striker. The only opportunity a goalie will have at a penalty kick is if they are ajugded the best taker or if every other better positioned players have failed.

In my family, my instructions and directions are clear. I am capable enough to provide for my family and my extended family (wife's family) and I need a helper who will produce my kids and help me take care of them and carry out domestic activities which are places that I don't class as my forte. Now it got to a point from I presume reading some vile posts from these frustrated girls and single mothers who hate men, my wife wanted to challenge that guideline, I carefully cancelled my initial plans to send her abroad fro further studies, sat her down and offered to continue paying her the salary of over 1.8m per annum excluding over 150k in bulk sum each quarter that I am paying her because we have children now and they are my priority so that she will let me BOUNCE as I was willing to keep paying the house rent for her and have joint custody of our kids. I was thinking she would jump at the offer, but alas she started weeping and gathered both families that I shouldn't go..Lool!

See eeeh I am a man's man and I would not debate what that means. I am willing to take the bullet for my family but what I won't accept is the madness of two captains in a ship. Hell No!

My daughters will grow coming from a position of priviledge and some level of wealth and will have equal opportunities like my sons. But I promise to raise them up just like my mother with the clear understanding that irrespective of what you have and who you are, that there must never be two leaders in a progressive team and that Nature provided roles and guidelines and no one fights nature and wins.
She must learn to ignore the probable idiots who are dishonest in their cravings and who hate all men and want all men subdued under the ridiculous tag of "feminism".

But men please and please do not insist on my path if you are deficient in providing for your family and household and also don't think it unfair if your wife insists you do house chores if she contributes to the family not because she wants to but because she has to!
I help out on some chores when I feel like and not because I am compelled to. I also raise my kids at any given opportunity that I stay with them just because I believe I have better experience at it. By the way since my woman got back to her senses, I have invested over 1.5m in a business for her too but with very clear instructions that if she allows the small wealth she is getting as a result get to her head and forget our family commitments, there will be consequences.

Nature will take care of these oversabi wannabe men-women who are hiding under the cloak of "feminism". [/b]



The power of walking away at play and demonstrated clearly here. Guys should learn from this. @WorkSmartEdu is an example of how men should conduct themselves in relationships and marriages cos women will shit-test you and do stuffs like this alot. His readiness to leave all he has worked for and invested so much in behind ensured his wife got in line and was ready to be submissive again. I bet his sex life is great too cos nothing makes a woman more wet than a man who knows how to put his woman in her place.

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Re: My Opinion On Feminism by Baldwretch: 5:20pm On Nov 24, 2019
Martinez39:
@Baldwretch

Thanks for that awesome reply. You can also check out my reply to her in the post preceding yours. That moniker is known to always act as an apologists for the wicked and irrational divorce and child support laws. This is what you get when you debate with these girls. They will always twist things, lie, and cleverly "edit" the facts to win their case. Notice how she was trying to use shaming by suggesting you are looking at things through a poor man's lens (broke shaming) and it is okay for a woman who has probably never generated $500,000 in her life to make away with $750M because that amount is like 75 cent to her. Lol, calculating Tiger's net worth before the divorce, you have to that broke for that amount to be like 75cents to you. Ever Donald Trump ($4B net worth) would weep if such was taken away from him unfairly. For her to say such, she has probably never worked for money in her life or toiled to amass great wealth. Perhaps, it's her usual dishonesty.

Anyway, we can see that these girls are crooks of devilish proportion and are plain liars and manipulators. Notice how she paints these laws to be for the greater good of both genders as she ignored that these laws are being exploited are putting men to great misery and even suicide. Such laws have even led the establishment of the MGTOW movement and it's rapid growth. Tell me how these laws are beneficial to both genders? grin

I could not agree more with everything you said. How can you call $750M just x-percent of a person's net worth and well since it's just 25 percent of a wealthy man's net worth, we should not bat an eye. Nonsense. Oh common Martinez, it's just $40M, it's not much after all, the guy is worth more than that. Rubbish. On average, in all generations, Men have been more successful than women across the age, so it's air to strip them of their hard earned wealth or stupid reasons. i wonder who made these laws. That's right, she has probably never worked for money in her life or toiled to amass great wealth otherwise she would not be saying this.

I cannot wrap my mind around this folly, as in, how can you give someone that huge amount because they divorced a wealthy man.

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Re: My Opinion On Feminism by Baldwretch: 5:37pm On Nov 24, 2019
liberalchick:


And you’re objective? There are no thoughts or posts that is objective or rational if it’s not in context. $750M =\= $750M. Again, the law is universal across states, a ratio is used to divide communal properties. Man, woman, rich, poor are judged by the same laws.

Are you rational in saying a law should be done away with because the 1% are ‘losing’ a portion of their wealth? When the law works just fine for 99% of the population who have to come together to build wealth. Most women are not models that end up with multi millionaires/billionaires. Most women work, raise children, give emotional support etc to build their marriage, the law was created to recognize those contributions!!!

You are rational but you want an organized society to do away with a law because rich men can’t stop marrying gold diggers.

To you the law doesn’t make sense because you think women don’t contribute to marriage and they should be kicked out with nothing when the marriage ends. Civil and sane society disagrees with you. A marriage is a union where both become one to build a communal wealth and each states have different laws to calculate what ratios each deserve when the union ends, that is a fair and just law.

In America you have two options, if you believe women don’t contribute to communal wealth, then don’t marry. If you believe they contribute somewhat but not up to the definition of the state, then you get a prenup.

At the bolded;
1. Do you reside in the states?
2. Are you married and reside in the states?
3. Have you ever sought a divorce in the states?
4. Are you a divorce attorney?

Where are you getting your info from? I know where I am getting mine.



Who told you the law is universal? Divorce laws isn't a federal one and most states have their divorce laws and it's method of execution. Just see what you're saying, are you rational in saying a law should be done away with because the 1% are ‘losing’ a portion of their wealth? Lol, so it is okay for the exaggerated one percent to lose their wealth as long as it works for the general population? Where did you get that from? Please spare me that. Do you know that more than 7 million Americans have at least one million dollars in their account and do you know the statistics of men in that range?

This is the mischief of the judicial system: an average American man wants his wife to work, he doesn't want a sahm, so why is she getting the good end of the bargain. I am not being ignorant of good women's contribution in marriage but I am talking about what they get to receive for these contributions. I am a Nigerian nah, so why are you being sarcastic?

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Re: My Opinion On Feminism by liberalchick(f): 5:43pm On Nov 24, 2019
Baldwretch:


Who told you the law is universal? Divorce laws isn't a federal one and most states have their divorce laws and it's method of execution. Just see what you're saying, are you rational in saying a law should be done away with because the 1% are ‘losing’ a portion of their wealth? Lol, so it is okay for the exaggerated one percent to lose their wealth as long as it works for the general population? Where did you get that from? Please spare me that. Do you know that more than 7 million Americans have at least one million dollars in their account and do you know the statistics of men in that range?

This is the mischief of the judicial system: an average American man wants his wife to work, he doesn't want a sahm, so why is she getting the good end of the bargain. I am not being ignorant of good women's contribution in marriage but I am talking about what they get to receive for these contributions. I am a Nigerian nah, so why are you being sarcastic?
I said the law is universal in its application, men, women, rich and poor are all subjected to the divorce laws of the state they wish to seek the divorce. It’s in my post, you quoted out of context to make your point.

If you believe women make some contributions to marriage. What is the best way to reward such contributions if the union ends?

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Re: My Opinion On Feminism by Martinez39(m): 5:50pm On Nov 24, 2019
Baldwretch:


I could not agree more with everything you said. How can you call $750M just x-percent of a person's net worth and well since it's just 25 percent of a wealthy man's net worth, we should not bat an eye. Nonsense. Oh common Martinez, it's just $40M, it's not much after all, the guy is worth more than that. Rubbish. On average, in all generations, Men have been more successful than women across the age, so it's air to strip them of their hard earned wealth or stupid reasons. i wonder who made these laws. That's right, she has probably never worked for money in her life or toiled to amass great wealth otherwise she would not be saying this.

I cannot wrap my mind around this folly, as in, how can you give someone that huge amount because they divorced a wealthy man.
When I told her I wouldn't go back and forth with her or reply her response, she thought I wanted to hide and bask in my echo chamber (I don't even have an echo chamber). These girls while never be honest and would want to win their arguments not matter what. Facts and evidence don't mean anything to them, it's all emotions and what they want to be right instead of what is right. Going back and forth is an immense waste of time because they will remain delusional (many times, they do these deliberately since they have ulterior motives and they benefit if the nonsense they spew is the reality of things) and invariably satiate you with nonsense and dishonesty.

That girl is just crafty and dishonest. Women should be rewarded for their contributions in marriage by the court? What about the reward for the contribution of men? Oh the double standards! Lol. Check out who is rewarded when the men are taken to the cleaners and the women smile to the bank.
Re: My Opinion On Feminism by Baldwretch: 6:05pm On Nov 24, 2019
liberalchick:

I said the law is universal in its application, men, women, rich and poor are all subjected to the divorce laws of the state they wish to seek the divorce. It’s in my post, you quoted out of context to make your point.

If you believe women make some contributions to marriage. What is the best way to reward such contributions if the union ends?

If you're married to a rich man or woman, the pleasure ends when the union ends.

On the other hand, if it's found that one spouse has made a significant contribution like raising the kids etc, etc, then they should be compensated, but the compensation should not be related to my net worth. Anything above $500k in a divorce settlement is over the top because at the current minimum wage, working $10/hour for 50 hours in a week, that is more than 20 years salary.

This makes it $2000 a month and $24, 000 a year. You don't see that that's downright nonsense. Where were you when the business, which is now a marital assets, was languishing and everyone refused to help? Where were you when I grind hard day and night to be successful, and just because I married you, we get to slash the marital assets. I am not going to argue with you. Sit down and think this through please. It is not fair.

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Re: My Opinion On Feminism by WorkSmartEdu: 6:09pm On Nov 24, 2019
[b] Chief you see eh, this matter is as simple as ABC and no it's not just about being rich. It is more of a mind matter. "Feminism" to me is bull-crap to dignify it with a word. And yes the fight for equal opportunities was appropriate and should be commended. But you see in marriage like I opined above, there are rules that govern it and that rule of a captain in a ship supercedes them all.

Anyway, the conditions are already set in mine and I am willing to make sure that these conditions remain and are not tossed aside. Everybody will figure out what works in theirs and I wish them the best at it. But surely women will test boundaries and like one oga said here will probe for weak spots....Lool. A man should be ready to stamp his foot down and give direction in a marriage, leaving a woman to give these directions in most cases than not backfire as women are more emotional beings and when it backfires they start running helter skelter seeking for who to blame!

Signing a prenup is the simple anti-dote to some of these vile and greedy women who would want to send a man to his early grave when there is a little quarrel. I still maintain that those who came with dry cowpea (okpa) in a public grinding machine point are still waiting on the queue to grind their dry cowpea (okpa) not to mention those who came with wet maize. Those ones will have to go home and come back another day or stand at the back of the queue pending when all dry goods have been grinded. Only the wise will understand this my idiomatic expression.

As for my sex life.... cheesy grin grin Chief that's a story for another day. But be rest assured that man's not weak or lacking... tongue [/b]
Unpussified:




The power of walking away at play and demonstrated clearly here. Guys should learn from this. @WorkSmartEdu is an example of how men should conduct themselves in relationships and marriages cos women will shit-test you and do stuffs like this alot. His readiness to leave all he has worked for and invested so much in behind ensured his wife got in line and was ready to be submissive again. I bet his sex life is great too cos nothing makes a woman more wet than a man who knows how to put his woman in her place.

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Re: My Opinion On Feminism by liberalchick(f): 6:26pm On Nov 24, 2019
Baldwretch:


On the other hand, if it's found that one spouse has made a significant contribution like raising the kids etc, etc, then they should be compensated, but the compensation should not be related to my net worth [/b]Anything above $500k in a divorce settlement is over the top because at the current minimum wage, working $10/hour for 50 hours in a week, [b]that is more than 20 years salary.

This makes it $2000 a month and $24, 000 a year. You don't see that that's downright nonsense. Where were you when the business, which is now a marital assets, was languishing and everyone refused to help? Where were you when I grind hard day and night to be successful, and just because I married you, we get to slash the marital assets. I am not going to argue with you. Sit down and think this through please. It is not fair.

1. Net worth is NOT what is divided
2. The business (before marriage) you had or inheritance is not part of a divorce settlement. It is the income earned by the business during the marriage that’s in play. Also length of marriage is also considered.

As an adult you have a choice, if you feel your grinding and hard work is enough and you can do all by yourself then you don’t need marriage. However, if you choose to get married and raise a family or you co-habit with someone for a considerable length of time in America, then the law believes that union in some way helped in achieving that wealth you accrued during the marriage. The law doesn’t believe a rational adult man/woman will participate in something that doesn’t benefit them.

Most women aren’t marrying rich men, so back to my original question, for those good women you mentioned that contributed to their marriage, in your opinion, what’s the best and fair way to compensate them when the marriage ends? Assuming the western law as you say is ridiculous. In Nigeria, how would you draft a law to protect this good women?

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Re: My Opinion On Feminism by GeneralShepherd(m): 6:39pm On Nov 24, 2019
Ladycewhy:
gathering the crowd i see ,i know you are a angry person for whatever reason best known to you ,but i think you need to calm down comprehend before typing away, i am even reading your comment in a shouting male voice,Lol

Wow wow wow who knew I would see the day when MGTOW an association of angry white men will make it to Nigeria!!

Alu!
Re: My Opinion On Feminism by NiCurious: 8:58pm On Nov 24, 2019
Martinez39:
Don't mind all these women. They think they are suffering or victims of some kind. They think they are at a disadvantage. Women wanted equality (in rights and opportunities) and the freedom of not being restricted by any gender role. Now have all these and they are still complaining. They think it is sexist for men to define gender roles but it isn't sexist when they run their mouths on how men are supposed to provide and how providing makes a man a man. They want equality but not responsibility and accountability. Op wants men to provide and women to be care takers. Funny enough the care taker role would just be to look after the children. Nothing additional, like that of women of the past, to truly recompense for the money spent by the man on his household.

Martinez39, I will reply to you this once, on the suspicion that you might not be so far away from the rest of the posters as you come across...you did not enter this thread arguing your point well, as you did not tie your points to the original post, which you did not seem to read, much less check the referred thread which inspired this one. (This makes you look trollish.)

The OP had read the thread about the woman in a formerly two-income family, whose husband had lost his job. She continued to work to support t he family, which was not her complaint. She was also dealing with the kids and the cleaning. Not having enough time to do it all, she hired a cleaner. Her husband always found fault with the cleaner, who was let go...same with the next, and the next. He was pressuring his wife to do the cleaning personally, not hire anyone, nor do it himself since he was home all the time...drinking, and turning down work that was not his ideal job, in this current economic climate, yet. The situation was ongoing over a whole year. She wanted to salvage the situation, and asked what she could do to fix it, given she had less and less time to do everything, while he did nothing.
Observations were made, by both men and women, that the man was depressed, and didn't know how to define himself when he was not the big provider, and resented it when his wife was providing--that he wanted to exert his dominance by having her do the "wifely" role of cleaning, and not let outsiders see that he was out of work. This is the reference point in the reference thread, discussing the assumption that a man is the provider in the family, that informs the working assumption about a man being the provider, in this thread we are on. Mostly the advice she received was to keep accommodating him, shelter his ego, and pray for change; yet little addressed the need for him to reevaluate his own role in the situation; to become flexible, to learn grace and humility in face of life's challenges, and appreciate the good things he has--like a hardworking wife, who loves her husband and wants to keep the marriage working. (Mind you, it wasn't him who was asking for advice.)


The OP of this thread, if I understand correctly, feels that women are not winning the battle for equality if they end up doing everything, from breadwinning to domestic tasks, while a man hangs his feet at the end of the day--or all day, which is the meat of the first paragraph in colour. Some responders, including yourself, are touching on the implications of the second paragraph in colour. If you will read the OP in the thread originally referred to, and come to this thread with an informed understanding of the context it is written in, it is possible that we might have a more productive discussion together. You have many salient points, but it seems that your anger is misdirected in relation to the thrust of this thread.

I bid you good day and good reading, and look forward to reading what your thoughts are, once you have completed the assigned homework, and reflected on the issues raised. wink

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Re: My Opinion On Feminism by Martinez39(m): 9:18pm On Nov 24, 2019
@NiCurious

I started attacking her points beginning from her paradigm that it's incumbent on men to provide and pointing out her hypocrisy on this as a feminist. Also, there is no indication in the op, in any way, that this thread was inspired from another thread. I can't for the life of me see what isn't there. How you read the op and deduced it was inspired from another thread is a miracle or, perhaps, a dishonesty of a special kind. It was later on that I started breaking up her points one by one and I summaried all my arguments with her in a reply I made to Kazyhm.

Oga, my problem is that she is worried about nonexistent problems and an erroneous notion. Let me explain.
1) The marriage arrangement of a woman doing the chores alone and sharing bills while the man shares the bills only doesn't describe the average family in Nigeria or even the average family globally. Such marriage arrangement cannot be obtained even if you follow the gender roles of the bible. In virtually all cases in Nigeria, it's the man doing the providing alone while the woman takes care of the chores or she and man share the chores (even though the man is providing alone because ''it's too difficult to look after the child'' ) or there is an house maid. In fact, even when the woman has money, it's not unusual to see her practice "my money is my money, your money is our money" as the guy foots all the bills. Even when they share the bills, the husband will share the chores. So the op is ranting over a very very rare marriage arrangement.
2) Even when such marriage arrangements the op described exists, it cannot be due to feminism as most feminists, being the hypocrites that they are, would marry a richer provider husband and have the beneficial marriage arrangements in my first point. Even if a feminists shares the bills, she would invariably share the chores with her husband. The feminist's ego and ideals would never allow her have the marriage setting the op described. So you see, the op erred when she said such marriage arrangement (as described in her op) is due to feminism. She is plainly wrong and feminism is not leading any woman to take double responsibilities.
3) As I have said, men do not owe women their money. It's not written anywhere that a real man provides for a woman. It is not incumbent on any man to provide for a woman and it is not a sin if a woman is asked to provide (prove me wrong).
4) Women are already empowered. They already have the same rights and opportunities as men.

All these were what I was trying to address in my argument with the op.


It will suffice to say that my time on this thread is up.
Re: My Opinion On Feminism by makydebbie(f): 9:37pm On Nov 24, 2019


Now if men are not helping women offload their biological weight why are women struggling to help men offload their financial weight to prove a point? The truth is the self esteem of men is tied to one thing "being able to provide". A man who works comes home ,hangs his feet and waits for his food, but a working house wife , comes home takes care of the kids ,cooks ,cleans before she eats. You see why i said women are shooting themselves in the foot because in trying to prove a point ,you are working yourself more no wonder many women look older than their husbands



This is a very stupid point dear, stop encouraging laziness. Very stupid I must say.

Aunty without ambition.

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Re: My Opinion On Feminism by NiCurious: 11:54pm On Nov 24, 2019
Martinez39:
@NiCurious

I started attacking her points beginning from her paradigm that it's incumb winkent on men to provide and pointing out her hypocrisy on this as a feminist. Also, there is no indication in the op, in any way, that this thread was inspired from another thread. I can't for the life of me see what isn't there. How you read the op and deduced it was inspired from another thread is a miracle or, perhaps, a dishonesty of a special kind. It was later on that I started breaking up her points one by one and I summaried all my arguments with her in a reply I made to Kazyhm.

It will suffice to say that my time on this thread is up.

Martinez, thank you for honouring me with your reply, and I will do the same, whether your time on this thread is up, or not--because others are still following, and the point touches on their concerns as well.
You are right, the OP did not say that in her first post, she in fact explained that a few posts later. It is not dishonesty on my part, but the overnight settling of contents in my mind, from when I first started reading this thread, to when I had time to reply...work intervened. wink I clearly saw the connection between threads, in the original post.
I don't necessarily agree with the OP either, in her approach to feminism; but her opinion is her opinion, and I can't refute the fact of that, any more than I can refute the fact of your opinion.
I would like to agree with you that it should not be required that a man be a provider. It is for a couple to work out who will do what.
The overt theme of the referenced post that informed this thread, was the imbalance of work in that domestic arrangement, where the woman was doing everything, but instead of helping or at least stepping out of his wife's way, the husband was doing his best to interfere, making her work load heavier, while contributing nothing. It would have been an equally unfair situation with the roles reversed, in which the man was responsible for everything, while the wife sat home doing nothing, and complaining about and interfering with the arrangements the husband had made, without lifting a finger to either make money or pick up a broom.
The covert theme, pointed out by Nairalanders both male and female, was the man's presumed attachment to his role as provider, which he was unable to fulfill to his standard and was making himself and his wife miserable over; he could not see himself in any role but the one he was previously in. He could not allow himself take a lower paying job, nor could he graciously help his wife, whose time was much occupied in her role as family provider, with his abundant time. It was also the woman's automatic assumption of domestic responsibilities alongside working increasing hours as family provider, instead of setting a limit as to how much one person could reasonably do.
The mostly unaddressed theme was the advice to the woman, to bend over backward to accommodate and confirm the man in his inability to see himself as anything but a provider, rather to confront him about it, that he might know and value his other potentials, capacities, and roles, his abilities and capabilities, and his time, and recognize the great deal that he has, and not the one thing that he is temporarily without, that he lets define him and be his sole expression of himself in the world. The imbalance is for only one of the sexes to develop and redefine itself, and not the other.
Martinez, so-called feminist issues raise deeper issues than the surface things that we like to scratch at and pick fights over. True women's liberation beyond gender stereotypes, demands men's liberation beyond gender stereotypes. It's not just one side or the other. It's not just about women or men, but about people and their potential. Possibly we are working both ends to meet at the middle, but usually, the issues of noisy contention are not examined deeply enough, that we recognize the reciprocity of change required between the "sides".

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Re: My Opinion On Feminism by NiCurious: 12:43am On Nov 25, 2019
Martinez39:
Nna, I weak o. I could have continued debunking and deconstructing her irrational and directionless arguments but I can't go on forever. Women have rights and opportunities as men but, according to the op, it's not empowerment and women need the evil divorce laws and child support laws in the US and other developed countries to be empowered. What sort of logic is that? So divorce laws and child support are women empowerments? You can see we have a crook here. grin So she needs misandric laws that can be abused to ruthlessly extort money from men before she can be empowered? She and her kind want to open a pandora box.

In life, every decision has it consequences and we must not create a society that absolves individuals of being held accountable. No man forced any woman to marry and no woman forced any man to marry. The risks of marriage include disappointment and unfaithfulness from a spouse, making sacrifices that are eventually futile, a complete turn around in the attitude of your spouse etc. You have no excuse to not be aware of the risks of marriage and it is your responsibility to bear the consequences if your marriage choices backfire and your marriage hits rock-bottom instead of running to the government soliciting child support and alimony. If you can't take the risk, don't get married or don't, as a woman, open your legs and get pregnant for some fvck boy. If op is so concerned about fathers leaving their children, what happens to suing for parental neglect? Why child support and alimony? Because we have a crook and hypocrite on our hands. She has ulterior motives.

If a woman has an abusive husband, let her leave the marriage and let him be punished under the law as an abuser. Its wrong if he is asked to compensate with his properties and cash because women will abuse such laws to set their husbands up and government could tax the money (like they do in the USA) and boom, we have a law that government is motivated to keep and exploit alongside with women. The same applies to alimony and child support. Marriage would turn to a business scheme with the divorce and alimony laws we see in western countries. The price the man needs to pay will keep rising. During a divorce, both individuals in a marriage should be separated such that none makes away with the other's assets or cash. It's funny how she thinks men don't like taking care of their children while forgetting the one's that dump and kill their new borns.

The only thing government must get involved in is parental neglect and when it comes to financially taking care of the kids, the husband and wife must be held accountable no matter what. Nothing stops the women from building wealth before and during the marriage, same with man. All things being equal, custody should be given to who earns more except if the person wants joint custody or grants sole custody to the other. Bad choices, bad consequences.

I rest my case. grin

Martinez, when you take the time to explain yourself like this, you generally make sense. It's when you leap from one thought to the next, that you leave your readers missing the jump, and erroneously filling in the blanks for themselves. (And then the discussion devolves to mudslinging from both sides.) The first two paragraphs here I take no issue with at all. The child support part, however....

If both parents of a separating couple are to take equal responsibility for catering for their children (commendable and commonsensical, and we pray enforceable), the amount that Nigerian courts state shall be given as the amount for feeding a child is shockingly low; even doubled as an equal contribution from each parent, it cannot be enough to feed a child a wholesome diet. The formula used to calculate it, needs to have some relevance to actual costs, or it is a waste of everyone's time to go through the motions of court settlement.

I haven't made a detailed survey, but I get the impression that there are more deadbeat dads than mothers who dump their kids at the orphanage, or worse. The abandoning moms make the news, because they are unusual. The deadbeat dads don't make the news, because unfortunately, they don't seem to be as unusual.

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Re: My Opinion On Feminism by kazyhm(m): 7:12am On Nov 25, 2019
Martinez39:
Nna, I weak o. I could have continued debunking and deconstructing her irrational and directionless arguments but I can't go on forever. Women have rights and opportunities as men but, according to the op, it's not empowerment and women need the evil divorce laws and child support laws in the US and other developed countries to be empowered. What sort of logic is that? So divorce laws and child support are women empowerments? You can see we have a crook here. grin So she needs misandric laws that can be abused to ruthlessly extort money from men before she can be empowered? She and her kind want to open a pandora box.

In life, every decision has it consequences and we must not create a society that absolves individuals of being held accountable. No man forced any woman to marry and no woman forced any man to marry. The risks of marriage include disappointment and unfaithfulness from a spouse, making sacrifices that are eventually futile, a complete turn around in the attitude of your spouse etc. You have no excuse to not be aware of the risks of marriage and it is your responsibility to bear the consequences if your marriage choices backfire and your marriage hits rock-bottom instead of running to the government soliciting child support and alimony. If you can't take the risk, don't get married or don't, as a woman, open your legs and get pregnant for some fvck boy. If op is so concerned about fathers leaving their children, what happens to suing for parental neglect? Why child support and alimony? Because we have a crook and hypocrite on our hands. She has ulterior motives.

If a woman has an abusive husband, let her leave the marriage and let him be punished under the law as an abuser. Its wrong if he is asked to compensate with his properties and cash because women will abuse such laws to set their husbands up and government could tax the money (like they do in the USA) and boom, we have a law that government is motivated to keep and exploit alongside with women. The same applies to alimony and child support. Marriage would turn to a business scheme with the divorce and alimony laws we see in western countries. The price the man needs to pay will keep rising. During a divorce, both individuals in a marriage should be separated such that none makes away with the other's assets or cash. It's funny how she thinks men don't like taking care of their children while forgetting the one's that dump and kill their new borns.

The only thing government must get involved in is parental neglect and when it comes to financially taking care of the kids, the husband and wife must be held accountable no matter what. Nothing stops the women from building wealth before and during the marriage, same with man. All things being equal, custody should be given to who earns more except if the person wants joint custody or grants sole custody to the other. Bad choices, bad consequences.

I rest my case. grin

Too much brain dey worry you


How do you sleep at night ?
Re: My Opinion On Feminism by Korllami007: 7:40am On Nov 25, 2019
Martinez39:
Nna, I weak o. I could have continued debunking and deconstructing her irrational and directionless arguments but I can't go on forever. Women have rights and opportunities as men but, according to the op, it's not empowerment and women need the evil divorce laws and child support laws in the US and other developed countries to be empowered. What sort of logic is that? So divorce laws and child support are women empowerments? You can see we have a crook here. grin So she needs misandric laws that can be abused to ruthlessly extort money from men before she can be empowered? She and her kind want to open a pandora box.

In life, every decision has it consequences and we must not create a society that absolves individuals of being held accountable. No man forced any woman to marry and no woman forced any man to marry. The risks of marriage include disappointment and unfaithfulness from a spouse, making sacrifices that are eventually futile, a complete turn around in the attitude of your spouse etc. You have no excuse to not be aware of the risks of marriage and it is your responsibility to bear the consequences if your marriage choices backfire and your marriage hits rock-bottom instead of running to the government soliciting child support and alimony. If you can't take the risk, don't get married or don't, as a woman, open your legs and get pregnant for some fvck boy. If op is so concerned about fathers leaving their children, what happens to suing for parental neglect? Why child support and alimony? Because we have a crook and hypocrite on our hands. She has ulterior motives.

If a woman has an abusive husband, let her leave the marriage and let him be punished under the law as an abuser. Its wrong if he is asked to compensate with his properties and cash because women will abuse such laws to set their husbands up and government could tax the money (like they do in the USA) and boom, we have a law that government is motivated to keep and exploit alongside with women. The same applies to alimony and child support. Marriage would turn to a business scheme with the divorce and alimony laws we see in western countries. The price the man needs to pay will keep rising. During a divorce, both individuals in a marriage should be separated such that none makes away with the other's assets or cash. It's funny how she thinks men don't like taking care of their children while forgetting the one's that dump and kill their new borns.

The only thing government must get involved in is parental neglect and when it comes to financially taking care of the kids, the husband and wife must be held accountable no matter what. Nothing stops the women from building wealth before and during the marriage, same with man. All things being equal, custody should be given to who earns more except if the person wants joint custody or grants sole custody to the other. Bad choices, bad consequences.

I rest my case. grin

You de mind lazy people. They want to turn marriage to business center. grin grin

She's saying alimony benefits both men and women and na lie. In 2017, U.S Census Bureau said 98% of people receiving alimony were women.

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Re: My Opinion On Feminism by Ladycewhy(f): 8:20am On Nov 25, 2019
GeneralShepherd:


Wow wow wow who knew I would see the day when MGTOW an association of angry white men will make it to Nigeria!!

Alu!
maybe the black angry nigerian version are angry that women are even allowed education, cos that has led to them not obeying rules set by their husbands . cos a particular person keeps saying women are empowered enough and they should be grateful that they are even allowed to comment on nairaland and have an opinion on issues in the internet. Lol

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Re: My Opinion On Feminism by GeneralShepherd(m): 8:29am On Nov 25, 2019
Ladycewhy:
maybe the black angry nigerian version are angry that women are even allowed education, cos that has led to them not obeying rules set by their husbands . cos a particular person keeps saying women are empowered enough and they should be grateful that they are even allowed to comment on nairaland and have an opinion on issues in the internet. Lol

Obviously this person must be trolling, I don't believe there's someone that genuinely holds that view on this forum
Re: My Opinion On Feminism by Ladycewhy(f): 8:30am On Nov 25, 2019
GeneralShepherd:


Obviously this person must be trolling, I don't believe there's someone that genuinely holds that view on this forum
you will be surprised there are alot of them o. Him and his goons ,lol.

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