Jozzy4:

You claim to know the Truth, yet you are been schooled on how Kjv said holy spirit is an " IT " . do you agree with KJV that holy spirit is an IT ?

Bring in no new dogmas, nor rites, nor ceremonies, into religion, or the worship of God, that are not clearly laid down in the sacred writings. "Stand in the way; and see, and ask for the old paths, which is the good way, and walk therein; and ye shall find rest for your souls;" Jer 6:16.

Janosky:

The third person wey David no see (Ps 110:1,2).
* Stephen the martyr no see am..
Acts 7:56
* Peter no see am... 1Peter 3:22.
Paul no see am. Colossians 3:1
Na where 'it' go,Jesus Christ no see am? Matt 22:43. Mark12:36

Be careful how you talk of the Holy Spirit, for He is the personal Spirit of GOD, for it written:
[My Offline Bible] Matthew 12
31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men. 32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.

Jozzy4:

You claim to know the Truth, yet you are been schooled on how Kjv said holy spirit is an " IT " . do you agree with KJV that holy spirit is an IT ?

Why should I agree, did you not read what I have wrote of him to you?

I have earlier schooled you on the fact that the Holy Spirit is a living entity because I know him, I have felt him, he is my closest friend.

When he is near me, my joy knows no bound, and he is far from me I become distracted.

Go and read Dave Roberson's "Walking in the Spirit, Walking in the Power" It is free on the internet, and your life will never remain the same.

I have told I am a Bible scholar.

Janosky:

The third person wey David no see (Ps 110:1,2).
* Stephen the martyr no see am..
Acts 7:56
* Peter no see am... 1Peter 3:22.
Paul no see am. Colossians 3:1
Na where 'it' go,Jesus Christ no see am? Matt 22:43. Mark12:36

The Bible and the Words of GOD is open to various interpretations. Be careful of the way you interpret it.

I could quote you various scriptures on the person of the Holy Spirit. But I have not the time now.

baysol:

All are figment as none of what you said was true. Jesus coming cannot be predicted by anyone. Neither was. It predicted for 1914. Read your Bible and meditate on it daily and wisdom will come. Don't depend too much on pastors and false prophets who only preach sensationality to force money out of your pocket. Only for the wise.

I don't worship under pastors or governing body, they are one and the same. While pastors desperately want money, governing body of Jehovah's witnesses uses every trick to control the entirety of members life. And yes, watch tower predicted Armageddon in 1914 but it never happened...

Janosky:


Any JW who choose to "chop & clean mouth" ,so to speak, is simply deceiving him/her self.
Nobody can mock Jehovah's standards Galatians 6:7.

JWs discipline unrepentant ones , you know that very well (1 Cor 5:1-13), unlike the iniquity being covered up by your Pastorpreneurs you pay membership fees to..
that one the wife divorced, till tomorrow none of una get liver ask am to proof his innocence to the former wife's allegations against him....
(Prophet Nathan no call David to account for his sin ?)
The guy man still maintains official business policy of separation of his junior pastorpreneurs from their wives and family, dey carry on him side attraction,nothing mega...
Yet una get "Independent thinking".... Bunch of slaves in bondage !!

Kettle calling pot black.... I was at Jehovah's witness meeting earlier this year and I was shocked when members were told to never speak to police or any authorities about other witnesses involved in crime, in other words cover up for your brothers.

JWs have been covering up a lot of iniquities for ages including rape, sexual abuse, theft etc.

The only difference between watch tower and other churches is doctrine, they all have same modus operandi.

Jozzy4:


You are a big liar for saying Jesus statement only refer to roman destruction of Jerusalem. Christ made that statement in verse 34, mr Read from 29-31 , Has those things occur as well ?

I deliberately Underlined the point " Till ALL these things be fulfilled "

Is verse 29-31 not part of the ALL these things ?

You people are always quick to call others liars, meanwhile your governing body have been feeding you lies that will be replaced with another lie tomorrow when they can no longer defend it. Is that not what you call NEW LIGHT and PROGRESSIVE understanding of scriptures?

Janosky:


JWs are the pioneers of using the broadcast media to preach the good news, because you are LYING & deluded, you are not well informed.
In the 1920s ,we did it. Today, we have JW TV broadcast.. we are still doing house to house preaching till tomorrow..

(2). Your point 2 shows that you refused to receive sense even though you read
Luke 19:11. John16:16-18. Luke 24:44,45 in my previous post.
Further proof you have shallow understanding of the holy Scriptures.

Your fallacies here:
"That is the reason why your so called preaching work is an eye service activity to please elders and governing body and other members in order to appear godly and just."

This is proof of your gross disrespect for Jesus Christ preaching ministry (Mark 1:13-15. Luke 4:43,44 "I must declare the good news of the kingdom of God, because for this I was sent forth". Matt 24:14.
You no know shishi about Jesus Christ.... & his Father. John 17:3.

The preaching ministry can also be broadcasted, I am glad you finally admit that. It almost seems that your house to house preaching (can also calk it office to office preaching) is the only way to preach the goodnews of the kingdom.

JWs are only minority in the preaching ministry, they didn't bring Christianity to Africa, the missionaries did.

Respect others in Christianity, just as you would want to be respected in your views, that is the way of peace.

maximunimpact:


Speaking of fruits that prove who is doing God's will on earth today....that's a very tricky matter. The JWs family that tried to convert me is a case study. I don't want to generalise based on few witnesses I have met, but I have this to say:

An average witness girl can easily commit immorality and take in, go for several ABORTIONS but will NEVER take blood transfusion. Do you want to know why? Its because within themselves they try as much as possible to keep the APPEARANCE of godliness. I am talking from experience!

Several others will rather visit witch doctors than seek miracle through prayers, again this is from what I have seen.

Its all about keeping the APPEARANCE! Everyone wants to belong.

Again I don't mean all JWs are like that, but just that they care more about what people will say than living to please God.

May God bless you abundantly for this write up!

You're 100% correct, because most humans want quick solution to their problems and they can go to any length to get.

Please carefully read, thoroughly study and prayerfully meditate on what was written in the Bible book of Revelation 7:13-14

Before this verses the angel told John the numbers of Israelites God picked from each tribe to be with the lamb(Jesus Christ) on mount Zion (heaven). Most Bible readers concluded that these are NATURAL Israelites, but Apostle Paul have made it clear that God can select corulers for Christ from any part of the earth and adopt them as Jews since majority of the natural Jews aren't prepared for the assignment {Roman 2:29}, this means any of the chosen (anointed) persons are Jews to God! Matthew 3:9

Note what the angel told John concerning the rest of mankind who managed to survive the destruction of wicked people! The angel said "This are the ones who HAVE WASHED their robes and made them WHITE in the blood of the lamb"

So God is watching each member of Jehovah's Witnesses who claims they are holding the skirt of the SPIRITUAL Jews {Zachariah 8:23} using most of their time to assist them in the assignment given to them. That's why most people outside aren't safe at all, because God approved Jesus {Luke 3:22}, Jesus handed over the gathering of his earthly subjects to his anointed brothers whom his father selected to work with him {Matthew 16:17-19} all those claiming Christians but failed to IDENTIFY this little flock which Jesus said God has approved {Luke 12:32} Jesus will never accept them, in fact they are cursed! Matthew 7:21-23
Because they failed to subject themselves to EQUITY, meaning they refused to be under the supervision of Christ's anointed brothers whom they should support physically, morally, materially and hospitably in the assignment given to them! Matthew 25:31-46

As for those within the city of refuge under the supervision of Christ's anointed brothers, if any should wander outside the camp (going back to practice what they've left behind) it means such persons are guilty and they'll be handed over to the avenger of blood, this means such a person will not see Paradise! Numbers 35:22-28 compared to Galatians 5:19-21

maximunimpact:


The preaching ministry can also be broadcasted, I am glad you finally admit that. It almost seems that your house to house preaching (can also calk it office to office preaching) is the only way to preach the goodnews of the kingdom.

JWs are only minority in the preaching ministry, they didn't bring Christianity to Africa, the missionaries did.

Respect others in Christianity, just as you would want to be respected in your views, that is the way of peace.

This brings back the case of DATES!

Jehovah's Witnesses are aware that there is NO single Christian in any part of the earth where our message have not got to them!

That's the reason for the urgency, enthusiasm and zealousness you're seeing in our group!

You said the missionaries brought Christianity to Africa

If that's true, then

How come those who claims to be Christians are still engaging themselves in WARFARE? {Matthew 26:52} Remember that the most important effect of the impact of the PRINCE of PEACE is that all those under his domain will subject themselves to his peaceful rule, they will not lift up weapons against anyone neither will they learn WAR anymore! Isaiah 2:1-4

Why are they still practicing POLYGAMY? Matthew 19:5, 1Timothy 3:2, Titus 1:6

Why are they still falling for the easy bait that Satan is using to recruit agents for Racism (Politics)? {John 6:15} if Jesus should accept the offer to become king in Israel, leading them to be free from their colonial masters, do you think he could speak or preach so that a Roman would accept Christianity? 1John 5:19

So back to the issue of DATES, Jehovah's Witnesses now understands that JEHOVAH has been delaying the DATES because many who supposed to have perished are now joining his wonderful organization of PEACE LOVING WORSHIPPERS! 2Peter 3:9

That's why we're swiftly moving fast across the globe with our message because we're now aware that JEHOVAH will execute his judgment as soon as all the tribes of the earth acknowledges our purpose of coming to knock on doors, it's not compulsory they accept our message but let them just notice that Jehovah's Witnesses (those vilified never angered preachers live in the neighborhood) that's all what Jesus needed before exterminating them all! Matthew 24:14 compared to Luke 19:27

God bless you Sir!

quirus:


Why should I agree, did you not read what I have wrote of him to you?

I have earlier schooled you on the fact that the Holy Spirit is a living entity because I know him, I have felt him, he is my closest friend.

When he is near me, my joy knows no bound, and he is far from me I become distracted.

Go and read Dave Roberson's "Walking in the Spirit, Walking in the Power" It is free on the internet, and your life will never remain the same.

I have told I am a Bible scholar.

You said and I quote "
Have you ever read the KJV Bible, which is the first universal Bible for the English speaking people, and compare it with your own JW Bible?

Please do and you will know the Truth and it will set you free."

So which means KJV Knows the truth ... Do you now disagree with the truth inside KJV ??

maximunimpact:


You people are always quick to call others liars, meanwhile your governing body have been feeding you lies that will be replaced with another lie tomorrow when they can no longer defend it. Is that not what you call NEW LIGHT and PROGRESSIVE understanding of scriptures?

So you are clueless but can criticize those humble enough to Readjust where neccesary

Is verse 29-31 not part of the ALL these things that must be fulfilled ?

Son of man appear during roman destruction

maximunimpact:


I don't worship under pastors or governing body, they are one and the same. While pastors desperately want money, governing body of Jehovah's witnesses uses every trick to control the entirety of members life. And yes, watch tower predicted Armageddon in 1914 but it never happened...

Just as the governing body of first century Christians also CONTROLS the life of all the Christians then! Hebrew 13:7,17
While some who felt smart were liberating themselves from such control! 3John 9-10

They also predicted that Jesus will return before Apostle John's death but it never happened! John 21:21-23

You tried to match the two but it's obvious that they're totally in contrast, because while the former aren't interested in the life of their flock but their possessions, collecting TITHES and other offerings like FIRST FRUIT from their flocks to buy private jets.
The governing body of Jehovah's Witnesses are not interested in the material possessions of those under them, all they're doing is to make their followers standout in the midst of all other religionists as a unique group! Luke 21:36

Janosky:


** Matt 24:3-34,
Achorladey, you too sabi lie lie...
*Matt 24:14, "Jesus said "this generation of Jesus own " that saw "the good news of God's kingdom preached in ALL the nations"

**verse30 Jesus said "this generation of Jesus own " that saw " all the tribes of the earth beat themselves when they see Jesus coming in a cloud..."

***
vers31,
Jesus said "this generation of Jesus own " that saw the angels blow a great trumpet & gather his chosen ones from four corners of the earth"
*** Achorladey wayo man.

You have started with YOUR USUAL LINE..........Achorladey, you too sabi lie lie... hahahahahahahahaha.

It is what you see you see. Here it is again........

This" means THIS. I think we all know what "this" means. This does not mean "that". Nor does it mean 'those'. I could own several houses, and I do, but if I was in the house in particular in which I reside, and I was speaking to a realtor about selling "this" house, would the realtor come to believe that I intend to sell one of my other houses? Or perhaps several of my other houses? (thank you overlapping houses teaching)
I think not.

When Jesus said "this generation" he meant what he said. To hear individuals or organizations try to twist that simple phrase into a dark hole to suit their inclination for fairytale myths is saddening.

Jesus said "this generation " not 'that generation' or 'those generations' and "this generation" was his own generation. History demonstrates his words were true.

maximunimpact:


You people are always quick to call others liars, meanwhile your governing body have been feeding you lies that will be replaced with another lie tomorrow when they can no longer defend it. Is that not what you call NEW LIGHT and PROGRESSIVE understanding of scriptures?

What do one EXPECT from them, all OTHER RELIGION to them TEACH and PREACH LIES. But were they shown the same LIES, it becomes OLD TRUTH or LIGHT getting PROGRESSIVE. Give others the benefit of DOUBT. Its a NO NO to THEM. Double standards all the way.

Jozzy4:


And did the generation of Jesus day experience verse 29-31 ??

Its what you SEE you SEE. Here it is again.........

This" means THIS. I think we all know what "this" means. This does not mean "that". Nor does it mean 'those'. I could own several houses, and I do, but if I was in the house in particular in which I reside, and I was speaking to a realtor about selling "this" house, would the realtor come to believe that I intend to sell one of my other houses? Or perhaps several of my other houses? (thank you overlapping houses teaching)
I think not.

When Jesus said "this generation" he meant what he said. To hear individuals or organizations try to twist that simple phrase into a dark hole to suit their inclination for fairytale myths is saddening.

Jesus said "this generation " not 'that generation' or 'those generations' and "this generation" was his own generation. History demonstrates his words were true.

Maximus69:


Just as the governing body of first century Christians also CONTROLS the life of all the Christians then! Hebrew 13:7,17
While some who felt smart were liberating themselves from such control! 3John 9-10

They also predicted that Jesus will return before Apostle John's death but it never happened! John 21:21-23

You tried to match the two but it's obvious that they're totally in contrast, because while the former aren't interested in the life of their flock but their possessions, collecting TITHES and other offerings like FIRST FRUIT from their flocks to buy private jets.
The governing body of Jehovah's Witnesses are not interested in the material possessions of those under them, all they're doing is to make their followers standout in the midst of all other religionists as a unique group! Luke 21:36

To begin with, the term "governing body" can not be found anywhere in the bible, so it is a man made leadership role at best... which makes them fallible and prone to errors. So there's no basis to call the first century apostles "governing body", neither is their any basis to compare them with your governing body. When you want to prove watch tower is anything close to God's organisation on earth, atleast try to back it up with scriptures and not with lots of inferences.

Jozzy4:


So you are clueless but can criticize those humble enough to Readjust where neccesary

Is verse 29-31 not part of the ALL these things that must be fulfilled ?

Son of man appear during roman destruction

No need for name calling sir! just face the issue at hand, why would any reasonable christian believe a group of man made organisation who have been wrong many times only to readjust when the OLD TRUTH can nolonger be defended?

Maximus69:


Just as the governing body of first century Christians also CONTROLS the life of all the Christians then! Hebrew 13:7,17
While some who felt smart were liberating themselves from such control! 3John 9-10

They also predicted that Jesus will return before Apostle John's death but it never happened! John 21:21-23

You tried to match the two but it's obvious that they're totally in contrast, because while the former aren't interested in the life of their flock but their possessions, collecting TITHES and other offerings like FIRST FRUIT from their flocks to buy private jets.
The governing body of Jehovah's Witnesses are not interested in the material possessions of those under them, all they're doing is to make their followers standout in the midst of all other religionists as a unique group! Luke 21:36

Maximus69: The governing body of Jehovah's Witnesses are not interested in the MATERIAL POSSESSIONS of THOSE UNDER THEM, all they're doing is to make their followers standout in the midst of all other religionists as a unique group! Luke 21:36

Achorladey: Like seriously? hahahahahahaha. You only need to look for the material where the below came from......

What are our “VALUABLE THINGS”? Our life, our time, our natural talents and skills, as well as ANY MATERIAL POSSESSIONS that we MAY HAVE. What is meant by ‘the firstfruits of all our produce’? It means that we must give of our best to Jehovah in all that we have. Jehovah is then pleased to accept these “firstfruits” of our “valuable things” as a gift from our hands.


Doing It in Our Day

We are many centuries removed from those days, but it is still the course of wisdom for true worshipers to ‘honor Jehovah with their valuable things.’ When we contribute our time, efforts and MATERIAL THINGS, really our all, to advance the Kingdom interests, we are merely returning to Jehovah what rightfully belongs to him. As Paul asks: “What do you have that you did not receive?”​—1 Corinthians 4:7.

If I hear say they are not INTERESTED in ADHERENTS material THINGS . E get as e be.

Maximus69:


This brings back the case of DATES!

Jehovah's Witnesses are aware that there is NO single Christian in any part of the earth where our message have not got to them!

That's the reason for the urgency, enthusiasm and zealousness you're seeing in our group!

You said the missionaries brought Christianity to Africa

If that's true, then

How come those who claims to be Christians are still engaging themselves in WARFARE? {Matthew 26:52} Remember that the most important effect of the impact of the PRINCE of PEACE is that all those under his domain will subject themselves to his peaceful rule, they will not lift up weapons against anyone neither will they learn WAR anymore! Isaiah 2:1-4

Why are they still practicing POLYGAMY? Matthew 19:5, 1Timothy 3:2, Titus 1:6

Why are they still falling for the easy bait that Satan is using to recruit agents for Racism (Politics)? {John 6:15} if Jesus should accept the offer to become king in Israel, leading them to be free from their colonial masters, do you think he could speak or preach so that a Roman would accept Christianity? 1John 5:19

So back to the issue of DATES, Jehovah's Witnesses now understands that JEHOVAH has been delaying the DATES because many who supposed to have perished are now joining his wonderful organization of PEACE LOVING WORSHIPPERS! 2Peter 3:9

That's why we're swiftly moving fast across the globe with our message because we're now aware that JEHOVAH will execute his judgment as soon as all the tribes of the earth acknowledges our purpose of coming to knock on doors, it's not compulsory they accept our message but let them just notice that Jehovah's Witnesses (those vilified never angered preachers live in the neighborhood) that's all what Jesus needed before exterminating them all! Matthew 24:14 compared to Luke 19:27

God bless you Sir!

On the issue of date, no one authorized the watch tower to set dates and timelines for God's kingdom. Matthew 24:36 says: But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. So why exactly do they have to set any date in the first place? A date that even the angels in heaven do not know.

Again, the supposed kingdom of peace you talked about is yet to come, JWs are just another sect of christians trying to be different with many errors.

Maximus69:


May God bless you abundantly for this write up!

You're 100% correct, because most humans want quick solution to their problems and they can go to any length to get.

Please carefully read, thoroughly study and prayerfully meditate on what was written in the Bible book of Revelation 7:13-14

Before this verses the angel told John the numbers of Israelites God picked from each tribe to be with the lamb(Jesus Christ) on mount Zion (heaven). Most Bible readers concluded that these are NATURAL Israelites, but Apostle Paul have made it clear that God can select corulers for Christ from any part of the earth and adopt them as Jews since majority of the natural Jews aren't prepared for the assignment {Roman 2:29}, this means any of the chosen (anointed) persons are Jews to God! Matthew 3:9

Note what the angel told John concerning the rest of mankind who managed to survive the destruction of wicked people! The angel said "This are the ones who HAVE WASHED their robes and made them WHITE in the blood of the lamb"

So God is watching each member of Jehovah's Witnesses who claims they are holding the skirt of the SPIRITUAL Jews {Zachariah 8:23} using most of their time to assist them in the assignment given to them. That's why most people outside aren't safe at all, because God approved Jesus {Luke 3:22}, Jesus handed over the gathering of his earthly subjects to his anointed brothers whom his father selected to work with him {Matthew 16:17-19} all those claiming Christians but failed to IDENTIFY this little flock which Jesus said God has approved {Luke 12:32} Jesus will never accept them, in fact they are cursed! Matthew 7:21-23
Because they failed to subject themselves to EQUITY, meaning they refused to be under the supervision of Christ's anointed brothers whom they should support physically, morally, materially and hospitably in the assignment given to them! Matthew 25:31-46

As for those within the city of refuge under the supervision of Christ's anointed brothers, if any should wander outside the camp (going back to practice what they've left behind) it means such persons are guilty and they'll be handed over to the avenger of blood, this means such a person will not see Paradise! Numbers 35:22-28 compared to Galatians 5:19-21

A sterling point from this write up is the reference you made to the "little flock" and "Christ's anointed brothers", which the watch tower CLAIMED were appointed in 1919! Again that brings us to the CONTROVERSY OF 1914 which have effectively proved false your claim of the existence of the "anointed brothers" with your organisation.

Your claim is all based a distorted view of scriptures, John 14:6 says: Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me [KJV] Jesus is the only way to salvation, and not through the "little flock", "anointed brothers", "the governing body" or any other organisation for that matter.

Jozzy4:


You said and I quote "
Have you ever read the KJV Bible, which is the first universal Bible for the English speaking people, and compare it with your own JW Bible?

Please do and you will know the Truth and it will set you free."

So which means KJV Knows the truth ... Do you now disagree with the truth inside KJV ??

Keep on dissembling, it will do you no good in the end.

When you read a rejoinder do not just pick upon a word or clause and argue on it, it makes no sense to an intellectual; it is just foolishness. Argue on the whole matters presented to you.

And when it comes to religion, keep on open mind. Do not take whatever creeds you are being taught hook, line and sinker, it makes of one a fool if you do so. Remember those who formulate those creeds outside the scriptures are human beings like you and open to errors of judgment. Rather consult the Holy Bible to gather the truth yourself.

Like I have said, no sect of religion will take you to heaven, because the Rulers in the Heavens does not prescribe specifically a single sect for one to attend. Also because all churches have their doctorinal errors through wrong interpretations of the Holy Writ.

Therefore read widely on Christianity and develop a personal relationship with GOD with the help of the Holy Spirit, who is the earnest of our inheritance in heaven ( whether you believe it or not). And believe me at the
end the gates of paradise will be opened to you and you will walk in and out of it freely as a Saint of the LORD.

maximunimpact:


On the issue of date, no one authorized the watch tower to set dates and timelines for God's kingdom. Matthew 24:36 says: But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. So why exactly do they have to set any date in the first place? A date that even the angels in heaven do not know.

Again, the supposed kingdom of peace you talked about is yet to come, JWs are just another sect of christians trying to be different with many errors.

God's people have always been obsessed with timing. Whether we like it or not they'll continue anticipating the end of wickedness on earth! Daniel 12:8-13
That is their heritage you and i can see this in the Bible, so i don't think there is any crime in this since Jesus who taught the Apostles mouth to mouth saying "concerning the day and hour nobody knows, not even angels neither the son but only the father"{ Matthew 24:36} did not condemn them for their inquisitiveness when they later raised the same issue! Act 1:6
So their persistence and interest in knowing the DATE is a solid proof that they're truly God's servants!

Certainly the kingdom of PEACE is not in control of this planet as a whole, but with God's holy spirit present amongst true Christians, the kingdom of PEACE is governing the earthly subjects of Jesus (the PRINCE of PEACE)! Galatians 5:22-23

Maximus69:



God's people have always been obsessed with timing. Whether we like it or not they'll continue anticipating the end of wickedness on earth! Daniel 12:8-13
That is their heritage you and i can see this in the Bible, so i don't think there is any crime in this since Jesus who taught the Apostles mouth to mouth saying "concerning the day and hour nobody knows, not even angels neither the son but only the father"{ Matthew 24:36} did not condemn them for their inquisitiveness when they later raised the same issue! Act 1:6
So their persistence and interest in knowing the DATE is a solid proof that they're truly God's servants!

Certainly the kingdom of PEACE is not in control of this planet as a whole, but with God's holy spirit present amongst true Christians, the kingdom of PEACE is governing the earthly subjects of Jesus (the PRINCE of PEACE)! Galatians 5:22-23

God's people were never obsessed with timing and date, it was an innocent QUESTION the apostles asked Jesus with a simple answer: But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only

The only group obsessed with DATES are JWs. Now let me analyse how their obsession have ruined lives over the years:

From 1966 to 1975, the Watchtower regularly implied that Armageddon would arrive in 1975, during that period members were told to prepare for the new world and discard their earthly possession, many left school, jobs, and some even gave away all their possessions as the Watch Tower left no doubt in their minds that the end is definitely 1975. That explains why the growth rate in same period spiked.

When 1975 came and gone, Armageddon did not happen, the system continued but then thousands have already lost all they had and halted all plans they have for the future. Many were depressed and some left the organisation out of frustration, lives were ruined in the process and there was chaos and confusion as a result.

1 Corinthians 14:33 says: For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
There is no way that situation can come from Jehovah, it definitely came from the author of confusion and father of all lies.

maximunimpact:


A sterling point from this write up is the reference you made to the "little flock" and "Christ's anointed brothers", which the watch tower CLAIMED were appointed in 1919! Again that brings us to the CONTROVERSY OF 1914 which have effectively proved false your claim of the existence of the "anointed brothers" with your organisation.

Your claim is all based a distorted view of scriptures, John 14:6 says: Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me [KJV] Jesus is the only way to salvation, and not through the "little flock", "anointed brothers", "the governing body" or any other organisation for that matter.

Jesus said the greatest commandment is "hear o Israel Jehovah our God is one Jehovah" Mark 12:29 compared to Deuteronomy 6:4
That means when all other nations are calling on the names of their various Gods, Israelites will call on the name of Jehovah!

Jehovah himself later said nobody can approach him directly for salvation, every living soul needed Jesus (his only begotten son) to gain salvation from Jehovah! {Matthew 17:5, John 14:6} God saying "listen to him" implies that there is no form of teaching that could help you gain his approval except that which protrudes from Jesus' mouth!

Jesus himself later said whoever wants to come to him must first be connected to his anointed brothers {Matthew 25:31-46} then Jesus' anointed brothers will serve as the link between you and Jesus {Matthew 16:19} and Jesus in turn will connect you with his Father {John 20:17}

Please that's the ACCURATE KNOWLEDGE you need to gain everlasting life! John 17:3

Note how the father has handed over the case to his son and how the son in turn handed over the case to his anointed brothers, God said LISTEN TO HIM.

Jesus have spoken, anyone may choose to ignore Jesus' judicial decision, but over 8,500,000 of people globally have noticed that Jesus is actively working with this little flock for there is no way few Americans can gather people from all the nations under the heavens and disarm them completely if not for a mighty spirit being behind the scene, my opinion is that there is no other spirit being that can do this if not the one called "PRINCE of PEACE" Isaiah 9:6

So Jesus emphasized the identification of his anointed brothers, that shouldn't be swept under the carpet, because all those who failed to acknowledge them CAN'T SEE PARADISE ~Jesus

maximunimpact:


God's people were never obsessed with timing and date, it was an innocent QUESTION the apostles asked Jesus with a simple answer: But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only

The only group obsessed with DATES are JWs. Now let me analyse how their obsession have ruined lives over the years:

From 1966 to 1975, the Watchtower regularly implied that Armageddon would arrive in 1975, during that period members were told to prepare for the new world and discard their earthly possession, many left school, jobs, and some even gave away all their possessions as the Watch Tower left no doubt in their minds that the end is definitely 1975. That explains why the growth rate in same period spiked.

When 1975 came and gone, Armageddon did not happen, the system continued but then thousands have already lost all they had and halted all plans they have for the future. Many were depressed and some left the organisation out of frustration, lives were ruined in the process and there was chaos and confusion as a result.

1 Corinthians 14:33 says: For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
There is no way that situation can come from Jehovah, it definitely came from the author of confusion and father of all lies.

God's people from time immemorial have always been known to be OBSESSED with the times and season wickedness will be removed from the earth. It's wicked people who aren't interested or who never wanted hearing such a thing at all!

Jesus is their teacher who said "concerning the day and hour, nobody knows not even the angels in heaven except the father" and later within just a year or less they raised the same issue!

My friend, that is the heritage of God's servants, there no way you can twist it, they have always been anticipating the end of wickedness.{Matthew 24:3} And if Jesus the one who spoke directly with them NEVER condemn them for their inquisitiveness whoever does so is just making himself/herself an enemy to everlasting life because these are the same people who penned down what you and i are reading about Jesus today!

Regarding for confusion, well i've been to so many countries on this planet and the one and only group that's best organized and orderly is Jehovah's Witnesses throughout all the countries i've served. So i don't understand how confusion could be linked to them, perhaps you wanted to talk about those who might have left the organization! John 6:66

Maximus69:


Jesus said the greatest commandment is "hear o Israel Jehovah our God is one Jehovah" Mark 12:29 compared to Deuteronomy 6:4
That means when all other nations are calling on the names of their various Gods, Israelites will call on the name of Jehovah!

Jehovah himself later said nobody can approach him directly for salvation, every living soul needed Jesus (his only begotten son) to gain salvation from Jehovah! {Matthew 17:5, John 14:6} God saying "listen to him" implies that there is no form of teaching that could help you gain his approval except that which protrudes from Jesus' mouth!

Jesus himself later said whoever wants to come to him must first be connected to his anointed brothers {Matthew 25:31-46} then Jesus' anointed brothers will serve as the link between you and Jesus {Matthew 16:19} and Jesus in turn will connect you with his Father {John 20:17}

Please that's the ACCURATE KNOWLEDGE you need to gain everlasting life! John 17:3

Note how the father has handed over the case to his son and how the son in turn handed over the case to his anointed brothers, God said LISTEN TO HIM.

Jesus have spoken, anyone may choose to ignore Jesus' judicial decision, but over 8,500,000 of people globally have noticed that Jesus is actively working with this little flock for there is no way few Americans can gather people from all the nations under the heavens and disarm them completely if not for a mighty spirit being behind the scene, my opinion is that there is no other spirit being that can do this if not the one called "PRINCE of PEACE" Isaiah 9:6

So Jesus emphasized the identification of his anointed brothers, that shouldn't be swept under the carpet, because all those who failed to acknowledge them CAN'T SEE PARADISE ~Jesus

You said one needs accurate knowledge to gain everlasting life, actually knowledge can not save anyone, it is by doing the will of the Father and exercising faith in the Ransom sacrifice that brings salvation.

Even the so called accurate knowledge has not been that accurate, the watch tower have admitted to being inaccurate in many occasions which mean JWs witnesses cannot be saved because they don't have accurate knowledge.

@maximumimpact

The times and seasons of refreshment from all the injustices, pestilences, natural disasters, untimely deaths, famine and so many other man made plagues is bothering God's servants, and they are EAGERLY anticipating it's end!

John was an Apostle of Jesus, he served with Jesus as a young preacher and teacher of God's word in the first century, by the time he was penning down the book of Revelation John was in his late 90s, yet when Jesus who revealed all that is coming to happen to John said "I am coming quickly" John enthusiastically responded "Amen, come Lord Jesus" Revelation 22:20

Please do you think John who spent all his life zealously preaching and teaching about God's Kingdom when he left all the material pursuit of life behind {Mark 10:23-31} only to be banished by the Jews to the isle of Patmos {Revelation 1:9} is expecting Jesus' coming to take more than a year later after hearing him say "I am coming quickly"?

Well it's almost 2000 years ago now that what we are reading happened! So how do you expect those following the footsteps of God's servants like Apostle John to be feeling right now?

Before you answer, just meditate thoroughly on John's response to Jesus' last statement that was recorded in the Bible!

John enthusiastically responded saying

"Amen, come Lord Jesus"

Well "may the underserved Kindness(grace) of our Lord Jesus be with all those having that same spirit" AMEN! Revelations 22:21

maximunimpact:


You said one needs accurate knowledge to gain everlasting life actually knowledge can not save anyone, it is by doing the will of the Father and exercising faith in the Ransom sacrifice that brings salvation.

Even the so called accurate knowledge has not been that accurate, the watch tower have admitted to being inaccurate in many occasions which mean JWs witnesses cannot be saved because they don't have accurate knowledge.

Please Sir i only quoted the words of one first century Jewish carpenter from Nazareth called Jesus. He is the one who uttered that statement not Maximus! John 17:3

So what you need to ask is "how come Jehovah's Witnesses (who are known for quoting this verse) don't have ACCURATE KNOWLEDGE now?"

Well this is not the time when humans can gain that accurate knowledge, because Satan and his demons are still very much around using false religious ideas to cause confusion everywhere. But soon Jesus and his corulers will come down, arrest Satan and his demons, and lock them all up in the Abyss (rendered inactive)! Revelations {20:1-3} each survivor will be given 1000 years to gain ACCURATE KNOWLEDGE of God!

It's then the earth will be free from false religions, and pure worship will be practiced globally, people will no more be distracted from concentrating on gaining ACCURATE KNOWLEDGE! Revelations 20:11-13

For now judgment is going on, as most people are against ORDERLINESS seen amongst Jehovah's Witnesses, so none of them can gain access to the next dispensation, since they detest the system God put in place to ORGANIZE his people! This arrangement was put in place by Jesus so that all his subjects can come under one umbrella! John 17:20-23

But by that time, many people will be judge by what is written in the Bible because there won't be any form of worship to distract them from gaining ACCURATE KNOWLEDGE, so whoever chose to ignore by then have NO EXCUSE, that's why Jesus said whatever they practice by then will be the bases of their judgment! Revelations 20:12-13

Maximus69:


Please Sir i only quoted the words of one first century Jewish carpenter from Nazareth called Jesus. He is the one who uttered that statement not Maximus! John 17:3

So what you need to ask is "how come Jehovah's Witnesses (who are known for quoting this verse) don't have ACCURATE KNOWLEDGE now?"

Well this is not the time when humans can gain that accurate knowledge, because Satan and his demons are still very much around using false religious ideas to cause confusion everywhere. But soon Jesus and his corulers will come down, arrest Satan and his demons, and lock them all up in the Abyss (rendered inactive)! Revelations {20:1-3} each survivor will be given 1000 years to gain ACCURATE KNOWLEDGE of God!

It's then the earth will be free from false religions, and pure worship will be practiced globally, people will no more be distracted from concentrating on gaining ACCURATE KNOWLEDGE! Revelations 20:11-13

For now judgment is going on, as most people are against ORDERLINESS seen amongst Jehovah's Witnesses, so none of them can gain access to the next dispensation, since they detest the system God put in place to ORGANIZE his people! This arrangement was put in place by Jesus so that all his subjects can come under one umbrella! John 17:20-23

But by that time, many people will be judge by what is written in the Bible because there won't be any form of worship to distract them from gaining ACCURATE KNOWLEDGE, so whoever chose to ignore by then have NO EXCUSE, that's why Jesus said whatever they practice by then will be the bases of their judgment! Revelations 20:12-13

Any time you try to make point, it some how points back to the 1914 CONTROVERSY! That judgement began in 1919 according to the Watch tower is based on the wrong prediction that in 1914 Jesus's invisible presence began. So you can now see the error in your submission here, JUDGEMENT IS A FUTURE EVENT, not something some group of over zealous bible students declared in 1919!

maximunimpact:


Any time you try to make point, it some how points back to the 1914 CONTROVERSY! That judgement began in 1919 according to the Watch tower is based on the wrong prediction that in 1914 Jesus's invisible presence began. So you can now see the error in your submission here, JUDGEMENT IS A FUTURE EVENT, not something some group of over zealous bible students declared in 1919!

All you need to do is just calm down and ask the questions to know why adherents are zealously and industriously preaching and teaching without let up Sir!

There was no controversy in 1914!

When people were listening to Jesus' speech in the open, many often get confused because he utters so much in parables! Matthew 13:3-34

It takes his closest confidants extra effort to grasp the point he was making! Matthew 13:10

Please are you talking about this same Jesus here or another person? Hebrew 13:8

Well the Judgment actually began in 1914, Jesus became king in heaven, drove Satan and his demons away from there, invisibly he visited all the religious groups claiming Christians on earth and he chose the one and only group that's WILLING TO IMPROVE IN THEIR UNDERSTANDING OF GOD'S WORD {Luke 18:8} remember that this was how Jesus got his followers in the first century, he never worry those who taught their religion is OK, he concentrated on the common people who are willing to make changes in their religious beliefs!

This group Jesus chose and started dealing with them until today! Remember Jesus said all those who failed to exercise faith in him ARE JUDGE ALREADY! John 3:18

So right from 1914 (when this Jesus returned to instruct his chosen group on the way forward) any other religious group you may belong, will continue to go down regarding the focus of all others {John 3:25-30} while the one Jesus chose will start gaining ground even though they're the most vilified! Matthew 5:14-16
Today you can check all social media try to see which religious group is most spoken of even when people vilify them, note the comments of critics, they are expecting more from Jehovah's Witnesses when they are keeping their own religions underground! You've been trying to argue for over a week now yet your religion remains anonymous. You may claim you belong to Jesus, but everyone knows that there are so many false religions (many even included JWs as false) so where do you associate with fellow believers if not just one of those false religions claiming Christians?

Well the Judgment began in 1914 and ever since then, Jesus has been purifying his organization that's why you see that of all the religions claiming Christians today, only Jehovah's Witnesses have made rapid changes in their understanding of God's word!

Do you think it's just man made?

Well if you're thinking so, please consider reading the Bible book of Galatians 5:22-23 again but this time PRAYERFULLY, then compare what you read to Matthew 7:15-20

Let all of them continue claiming Christians, Jesus' group cannot be buried amongst them just like their kinds they hypocritically calls denominations!

All Christians must have the same line of thought regarding sensitive issues! Romans 15:5-6, 1Corinthians 1:10, Ephesians 4:3

So stop wasting precious times with religious groups that can't distinct themselves from indecisive individuals claiming they belong to a commander (Jesus) whose army must stand as one and move together as a military force! John 17:20-23

Maximus69:


All you need to do is just calm down and ask the questions to know why adherents are zealously and industriously preaching and teaching without let up Sir!

There was no controversy in 1914!

When people were listening to Jesus' speech in the open, many often get confused because he utters so much in parables! Matthew 13:3-34

It takes his closest confidants extra effort to grasp the point he was making! Matthew 13:10

Please are you talking about this same Jesus here or another person? Hebrew 13:8

Well the Judgment actually began in 1914, Jesus became king in heaven, drove Satan and his demons away from there, invisibly he visited all the religious groups claiming Christians on earth and he chose the one and only group that's WILLING TO IMPROVE IN THEIR UNDERSTANDING OF GOD'S WORD {Luke 18:8} remember that this was how Jesus got his followers in the first century, he never worry those who taught their religion is OK, he concentrated on the common people who are willing to make changes in their religious beliefs!

This group Jesus chose and started dealing with them until today!

So right from 1914 any other religious group you may belong, will continue to go down regarding the focus of all others {John 3:25-30} while the one Jesus chose will start gaining ground even though they're the most vilified! Matthew 5:14-16
Today you can check all social media try to see which religious group is most spoken of even when people vilify them, note the comments of critics, they are expecting more from Jehovah's Witnesses when they are keeping their own religions underground! You've been trying to argue for over a week now yet your religion remains anonymous. You may claim you belong to Jesus, but everyone knows that there are so many false religions (many even included JWs as false) so where do you associate with fellow believers if not just one of those false religions claiming Christians?

Well the Judgment began in 1914 and ever since then, Jesus has been purifying his organization that's why you see that of all the religions claiming Christians today, only Jehovah's Witnesses have made rapid changes in their understanding of God's word!

Do you think it's just man made?

Well if you're thinking so, please consider reading the Bible book of Galatians 5:22-23 again but this time PRAYERFULLY, then compare what you read to Matthew 7:15-20

Let all of them continue claiming Christians, Jesus' group cannot be buried amongst them just like their kinds they hypocritically calls denominations!

All Christians must have the same line of thought regarding sensitive issues! Romans 15:5-6, 1Corinthians 1:10, Ephesians 4:3

So stop wasting precious times with religious groups that can't distinct themselves from indecisive individuals claiming they belong to a commander (Jesus) whose army must stand as one and move together as a military force! John 17:20-23

Prophecies We Can Do Nothing About


There is a type of prophecy which does not require us to take any action. There is nothing that we can do to influence the outcome. The purpose of which is mainly to prove that Jehovah is the true God, that there is none like him, and that he can do whatever he wants in order to carry out his purpose.

"Remember the first things of a long time ago, that I am the Divine One and there is no other God, nor anyone like me; the One telling from the beginning the finale, and from long ago the things that have not been done; the One saying, ‘My own counsel will stand, and everything that is my delight I shall do.’ (Isaiah 46:9,10)

These prophecies magnify Jehovah as the only true God and build faith in him. They give hope to those looking to him for salvation. Since no action is necessary on our part in this case, he has not clearly made known the understanding of such prophecies in advance but rather kept the interpretation secret until the time when the prophecies undergo fulfillment.

The first such prophecy was given back in the garden of Eden, in response to the rebellion that had just occurred. In Genesis 3:15 God said, "And I shall put enmity between you and the woman and between your seed and her seed. He will bruise you in the head and you will bruise him in the heel."

Although Jehovah would add further information to this prophecy as time went by, he kept the explanation of it a secret until the time of its fulfillment or even later. He said much in few symbolic words. A detail he later added was that the seed would come through Abraham. There was much speculation throughout the centuries about the identify of this seed and what it would mean for mankind. The promise of the seed was so well known that practically every nation had its own version and interpretation of it. Jesus, of course, turned out to be that seed. (Genesis 22:18; Galatians 3:16) But in spite of all that Jehovah had foretold concerning the Messiah his own people, the Jews, did not recognize him. Yet, those who did accept him and became his disciples did not comprehend everything either, such as the part of the prophecy that said the Messiah would be bruised in the heel, meaning that he would have to die and be resurrected. That part was not understood until after it was fulfilled. (John 1:11; Matthew 16:21-23; Luke 24:25-27)

Much of this "sacred secret" concerning the seed, the Christ, came to be understood in the time of the apostles, especially at the outpouring of the Holy Spirit at Pentecost, just as Jesus had promised. (John 14:26; Colossians 1:26,27) The sacred secret in connection with the Christ also has to do with the kingdom of the heavens that he was preaching. Jehovah used his prophet Daniel to write about this kingdom. He tells us how the kingdom would be established, who would be rulers in that kingdom, how the world powers leading up to that time would exert an influence over God's people, and how at God's due time this kingdom would replace all other kingdoms on earth. (Daniel 2:44; 7:13,14, 18, 21,22, 27)

Since there is nothing that God's servants, or anyone else, can do to influence the outcome of God's foretold purpose in connection with his kingdom he did not need to provide detailed information, beyond what we need to understand in order to preach it. We know that it constitutes "good news" as it means deliverance from the tyranny of man's rule. (Matthew 24:14) Although the prophet Daniel received much detailed information concerning the time leading up to the establishing of God's kingdom Jehovah couched his prophecies in signs and symbols. Why? Because he saw good to keep the information to himself until such time as his servants needed it. That is why Daniel writes:

Now as for me, I heard, but I could not understand; so that I said: “O my lord, what will be the final part of these things?” And he went on to say: “Go, Daniel, because the words are made secret and sealed up until the time of [the] end. (Daniel 12:8,9)


SOURCE: http://perimeno.ca/Prophecy.htm#nothing