Maximus69:


@Shadeyinka!

Can you please say something about the two questions in bolded Sir?

Barristter07:


That the English Bible translated El Gibboa differently when it applies to humans doesn't change the fact that Humanss were called EL GIBBOA , Which was rendered Mighty God for Jesus . Was El Gibboa applied to humans in the Bible ? Go and do your assignment , Ignorant fellow





But he refffered to Othniel as a SAVIOR of the Isrealites ?

Your problem is you fail to realize he can make others saviour or make them God's as he did humans " Ye are God's " . But all are still under his control therefore none beside him .

Maximus69:



Mr Shadeyinka,

No be fight nah!

You carry yourself enter inside thread wey wahala question jeje sidon, you no fit answer direct you begin throw impromptu questions up and down. OK answer simple question you wan tek vex hide your face!

Abeg no vex Sir, my own question still tanda for your front.

(A)Shey na true sey first century Christians dem believe exactly the same thing like Jehovah witness today?

(B)Abi each one just carry hin own understanding about Jesus anywhere belle face?

If nah "A" be your answer, abeg show us inside Bible, if na "B" please tell us the group wet get the same mindset as you get now so that we fit ask them better questions as you sef dey ask Jehovah witness wey get one mind for wetin Bible tok!

Abeg no tek vex comot for this one Sir!

Barristter07:


Or container that houses the " You " ?

Barristter07:


To help your ignorance , He alone can make others God's and Saviours to suit his purpose .

They are all subjected to him .

Barristter07:


Eccl 12:7 Spirit return to God who gave it, DID JESUS RETURN TO HEAVEN that day ?

If not, What exactly is the Spirit that returned to God when Jesus died ?

You see you have no clue what you are into .



Same, Spirit return to God.
Did he went to paradise/heaven that day ?



So what returned if Spirit Is NOT JESUS ?



After his ressurection.



Not at all, It only makes us question what exactly returned since Jesus said he himself hasn't yet ascended to the Father . So what is that Spirit that returned to God ?

Barristter07:


Remain in your ignorance, So angels can't act as representative of Yahweh ?

Janosky:

God manifest in the flesh"(KJV)=FRAUD.
You rely on the confirmed FRAUD of the KJV "Textus Receptus" to support your Trinity FRAUD.
FRAUD+FRAUD=FRAUD.
I'm not amazed, triune deity pagans pretending to be Christians.

MORE EVIDENCE
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

1 Timothy 3:16 Parallel Verses
****
1 Timothy 3:16, NIV : "Beyond all question,
the mystery from which true godliness
springs is great: He appeared in the flesh,
was vindicated by the Spirit, was seen by
angels, was preached among the nations, was
believed on in the world, was taken up in
glory."
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1 Timothy 3:16, ESV : "Great indeed, we
confess, is the mystery of godliness: He was
manifested in the flesh, vindicated by the
Spirit, seen by angels, proclaimed among the
nations, believed on in the world, taken up in
glory."
+++++
1 Timothy 3:16, KJV: "And without
controversy great is the mystery of godliness:
God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the
Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the
Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up
into glory."
*****
1 Timothy 3:16, NASB: "By common
confession, great is the mystery of godliness:
He who was revealed in the flesh, Was
vindicated in the Spirit, Seen by angels,
Proclaimed among the nations, Believed on in
the world, Taken up in glory."
####*
1 Timothy 3:16, NLT : "Without question, this
is the great mystery of our faith: Christ was
revealed in a human body and vindicated by
the Spirit. He was seen by angels and
announced to the nations. He was believed in
throughout the world and taken to heaven in
glory."
$$$****
1 Timothy 3:16, CSB : "And most certainly, the
mystery of godliness is great: He was
manifested in the flesh, vindicated in the
Spirit, seen by angels, preached among the
nations, believed on in the world, taken up in
glory."

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https://biblehub.com/1_timothy/3-16.htm

"--Here, in the
most ancient authorities, the word "God"
does not occur. We must, then, literally
translate the Greek of the most famous and
trustworthy MSS. as follows: He who was
manifested in the flesh. "
"God manifest in the flesh"(KJV)=FRAUD.

Barristter07:

He was put to death in the flesh [as human being] but made ALIVE [ Resurrected] in the spirit [Spirit being] , and in this state [ been made alive/Resurrected ] he went and preached to the spirits [ angelic spirit beings ] in prison " 1Pet 3:18,19

After he was " Made Alive" Resurrected as a Spirit being . That scripture is clear enough

Janosky:


*** Judges 6:11-23
11 And an angel of Jehovah came and sat
under the terebinth that was in Ophrah, that
[belonged] to Joash the Abi-ezrite. And his
son Gideon threshed wheat in the winepress,
to secure [it] from the Midianites.
12 And the Angel of Jehovah appeared to
him, and said to him, Jehovah is with thee,
thou mighty man of valour.
13 And Gideon said to him, Ah my Lord, if
Jehovah be with us, why then is all this
befallen us? and where are all his miracles
that our fathers told us of, saying, Did not
Jehovah bring us up from Egypt? And now
Jehovah hath cast us off, and given us into
the hand of Midian.
14 And Jehovah looked upon him, and said,
Go in this thy might, and thou shalt save
Israel from the hand of Midian. Have not I
sent thee?
15 And he said to him, Ah Lord, wherewith
shall I save Israel? behold, my thousand is
the poorest in Manasseh, and I am the least
in my father's house.
16 And Jehovah said to him, I will certainly
be with thee; and thou shalt smite Midian as
one man.
17 And he said to him, If now I have found
favour in thine eyes, shew me a sign that it
is thou who talkest with me.
18 Depart not hence, I pray thee, until I
come unto thee, and bring forth my present,
and set it before thee. And he said, I will
tarry until thou come again.
19 And Gideon went in, and made ready a
kid of the goats, and an ephah of flour in
unleavened cakes: the flesh he put in a
basket, and he put the broth in a pot, and
brought it out to him under the terebinth,
and presented it.
20 And the Angel of God said to him, Take
the flesh and the unleavened cakes, and lay
them upon this rock, and pour out the broth.
And he did so.
21 And the Angel of Jehovah put forth the
end of the staff that was in his hand, and
touched the flesh and the unleavened cakes;
and there rose up fire out of the rock, and
consumed the flesh and the unleavened
cakes. And the Angel of Jehovah departed
out of his sight.
22 And Gideon perceived that he was an
angel of Jehovah; and Gideon said, Alas,
Lord Jehovah! for because I have seen an
angel of Jehovah face to face …
23 And Jehovah said to him, Peace be unto
thee: fear not; thou shalt not die."

** Compare Judges 13:2-22.

shadeyinka:

So Jesus spirit was made alive AND he went to preach to other spirits
BUT
Human spirit remain DEAD!
Continue!

I've closed my case, no need to respond!

shadeyinka:

Some people don't know when they are already checkmated!

Case closed old!
I only responded for you to know I read your post.

Barristter07:


Brilliant ! The angel was referred to as Jehovah @ bold

cc: shadeyinka .

shadeyinka:

And David was buried in the Tomb of....

What was buried?
His body or his soul or his spirit?

No need to respond. I have close your case?

shadeyinka:

Brilliant!
I addressed the chief accountant of Dangote as Dangote himself and He didn't correct me!?
An angel has the audacity to answer for Jehovah and recieve worship!?

Common sense still doesn't tell you that Jehovah can appear as an angel or a man: and recieve obeisance and worship due to Himself alone!

Checkmate and case closed.
No need to respond!

shadeyinka:

So Jehovah made other Gods besides himself!!!?

Speak another lie!
Any way, I have close your case and there is no need to respond!

shadeyinka:

So Jehovah made other Gods besides himself!!!?

Speak another lie!
Any way, I have close your case and there is no need to respond!

Maximus69:


After answering him from the Bible, he crookedly attached my position on the issue to a religious organization.

So the question he must answer ~

(1) Were first century Christians peculiar to uniform in thought?

If Shadeyinka answer "NO" he should back his answer with Bible, if "YES" then he tell everyone in the forum the name of his religious organization exhibiting the same line of thought as he does!

shadeyinka:

Brilliant!
I addressed the chief accountant of Dangote as Dangote himself and He didn't correct me!?
An angel has the audacity to answer for Jehovah and recieve worship!?

Common sense still doesn't tell you that Jehovah can appear as an angel or a man: and recieve obeisance and worship due to Himself alone!

Checkmate and case closed.
No need to respond!

shadeyinka:

Deceptive human being of two Gods!
Yahweh said there is NO God/gods besides me!

You have manufactured a Junior God! A sub-God contrary to the scriptures.

Scriptures cannot be clearer!

Isa 44:8: "Fear you not, neither be afraid: have not I told you from that time, and have declared it? you are even my witnesses. Is there a God beside me? yes, there is no God; I know not any."

Isa 45:5:
"I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me:
I girded you, though you have not known me:"

Isa 45:21:
"Tell you, and bring them near; yes, let them take counsel together: who has declared this from ancient time? who has told it from that time? have not I the LORD? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Savior; there is none beside me."

Hos 13:4:
"Yet I am the LORD your God from the land of Egypt, and you shall know no god but me: for there is no savior beside me."

But you have manufactured
God 1=the Almighty God
God 2= the Mighty God

Checkmate and case closed!
No need to respond!

Maximus69:


Michael (Jesus) has often represented JEHOVAH in many cases, that's why Apostle John could say "in the beginning WAS the word (Jesus/Michael) and the word WAS with God and the word WAS God"

All the times the Bible say JEHOVAH appeared to anyone in the Hebrew Scriptures, it was Jehovah's representative Michael (Jesus) that has been acting in place of JEHOVAH!

The first time JEHOVAH dealt DIRECTLY with humans again was after Jesus (Michael) has completed the reconciliation assignment in heaven that JEHOVAH directly adopted humans and anointed them as his children just as he did at Jesus' baptism! Luke 3:22 compared to Isaiah 42:1

Before Pentecost, God wasn't dealing directly with any of Adam's descendants, it was his foremost Prince Michael that was ACTING stand up for obedient humans! Daniel 12:1

But Michael (Jesus) has no right to punish any of God's spirit sons unless the order comes from JEHOVAH the father of all creations! Jude 9 compared to Matthew 8:29

So JEHOVAH the Almighty God will first give the order before Jesus (Jehovah's Mighty spirit son) can do anything with Jehovah's children be it rebellious angels or humans {Psalms 110:1-3} the order must come from the Almighty God JEHOVAH!

Maximus69:


Michael (Jesus) has often represented JEHOVAH in many cases, that's why Apostle John could say "in the beginning WAS the word (Jesus/Michael) and the word WAS with God and the word WAS God"

All the times the Bible say JEHOVAH appeared to anyone in the Hebrew Scriptures, it was Jehovah's representative Michael (Jesus) that has been acting in place of JEHOVAH!

The first time JEHOVAH dealt DIRECTLY with humans again was after Jesus (Michael) has completed the reconciliation assignment in heaven that JEHOVAH directly adopted humans and anointed them as his children just as he did at Jesus' baptism! Luke 3:22 compared to Isaiah 42:1

Before Pentecost, God wasn't dealing directly with any of Adam's descendants, it was his foremost Prince Michael that was ACTING stand up for obedient humans! Daniel 12:1

But Michael (Jesus) has no right to punish any of God's spirit sons unless the order comes from JEHOVAH the father of all creations! Jude 9 compared to Matthew 8:29

So JEHOVAH the Almighty God will first give the order before Jesus (Jehovah's Mighty spirit son) can do anything with Jehovah's children be it rebellious angels or humans {Psalms 110:1-3} the order must come from the Almighty God JEHOVAH!

Maximus69:


Michael (Jesus) has often represented JEHOVAH in many cases, that's why Apostle John could say "in the beginning WAS the word (Jesus/Michael) and the word WAS with God and the word WAS God"

All the times the Bible say JEHOVAH appeared to anyone in the Hebrew Scriptures, it was Jehovah's representative Michael (Jesus) that has been acting in place of JEHOVAH!

The first time JEHOVAH dealt DIRECTLY with humans again was after Jesus (Michael) has completed the reconciliation assignment in heaven that JEHOVAH directly adopted humans and anointed them as his children just as he did at Jesus' baptism! Luke 3:22 compared to Isaiah 42:1

Before Pentecost, God wasn't dealing directly with any of Adam's descendants, it was his foremost Prince Michael that was ACTING stand up for obedient humans! Daniel 12:1

But Michael (Jesus) has no right to punish any of God's spirit sons unless the order comes from JEHOVAH the father of all creations! Jude 9 compared to Matthew 8:29

So JEHOVAH the Almighty God will first give the order before Jesus (Jehovah's Mighty spirit son) can do anything with Jehovah's children be it rebellious angels or humans {Psalms 110:1-3} the order must come from the Almighty God JEHOVAH!

Barristter07:

Philippians 2:9 clear. Also note this Jesus can't do anything of his own will.

So that text is clear enough when it says " Written " . With exemption of he who writes or gave the name

Was there any exception at Matthew 24:36 ? None!!! Any other person knowing makes Jesus a liar, Did he lied only the Father knows ?

CAPTIVATOR:


English language is not hard, is it ? When he said my servant , whom I have chosen . Is that futuristic ? When was Jesus CHOSEN for redemption , on Earth ?

chrmn1:

In Phil 2:9 the name is known to all I.e. Jesus. This is not the name that was refered to in revelations which NOBODY KNOWS BUT HIMSELF.

There was no exception in Matthew and there was no exception also in Revelations.

Jesus the man was made to be subject to the Will of the Father.

Barristter07:


Read Revelation 1:1 God the Father gave Jesus all the things said in Revelation. So the name that was written was given by the Father . As Jesus said the son can do nothing of his own will . THE WRITER/NAME GIVER is exempted .

At Matthew 24:36 there is no exception, either it's only the Father or Jesus lied. He again told his apostles the day and hour is only in the Father authority . TWO TIMES. No exception here

Perfectbeing:


Did God ordered to Angel Gabriel to make Zachariah (father of John the baptist) mute?

chrmn1:

The passage in Revelations has no exception too. It doesn't say that hhimself knew except his Father. "Only himself" is "Only himself"

If God revealed everything to Jesus including an event where Jesus had a name written on his head which NOBODY knows except JESUS HIMSELF, if you take Matthew 24 at face value you have to take this at face value too. What you are doing in Revelations is that you are interpreting a clear statement in the light of the entire scriptures which is the right thing to do but when we try to do same in matthew 24 you insist on face value.

If the Spirit has access to the thoughts of God then what could be hidden from Him?

If that passage in Matthew had mentioned that even the Spirit doesn't know, I'll be the first to admit I was wrong. See 1 Cor 2 mentions that what your spirit is to you is what the Holy Spirit is to God. Here is the difference between you and God: No man knows the things of a man except the spirit WHICH IS IN MAN. Similarly no one knows the things of God excpet the Spirit of God.

Note that when the scripture was talking about the man, it mentions that the spirit is IN man but not so for God. Here is the difference.

Barristter07:


Do you know that the spirit of man is not a separate person ? Just for you too see further reason why only the Father at Matthew 24:36 has no exception

chrmn1:

that's what I've been trying to say. The truine nature of man reflects God but not totally. The spirit of man is in man but the Spirit of God may be on the earth whilst the Father is in heaven.

Maximus69:


Wahala dey Okpoko!

My guy, it's obvious Jehovah's Witnesses are the one and only problem you have.
But don't kill yourself because we're here to stay, there nothing a sadist like you have to say about the Bible.

Shadeyinka have been silenced since he has failed woefully to define himself as to his stand on what FAITH accomplishes, he is neither an advocate of organization nor isolation!

Question ~ Can people come together to have one line of thought regarding what Bible teaches?

Shadeyinka ~ NO! There shouldn't be such, everyone should be independent for personal interpretation.

Question ~ Do Christians of the first century have one line of thought regarding Bible teachings?

Shadeyinka ~ S i l e n c e!

So Mr Hairyrapunzel stop this childish attitude, find something better to do with your life, Jehovah's Witnesses are living happily as one big happy global family of peace loving worshippers!

Hairyrapunzel:


Answer the question and stop dilly dallying