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joyandfaith:
yes.what is your point?

Wow.
GOD bless!

OpenYourEyes1:
Are you really a believer?
Which do you believe in, the Bible truth about the earth or the model(theory) from men?

It's actually a myth that the bible doesn't correlate to science. It was created by people like flat earthers to try and get the current dominant religion, Christianity on their side.

Isaiah 40:41 describes the earth as a "circle". This can be translated to mean sphere. But flat earthers cherry pick specific open ended passages from the bible to back their borderline retarded claims.

joyandfaith:
Ecclesiastes 1:5 says: “The sun rises, and the sun sets; then it hurries back to the place where it rises again.” However, this statement merely describes the apparent motion of the sun as viewed from the earth. Even today, a person can use the words “sunrise” and “sunset,” yet he knows that the earth revolves around the sun.
note that sun also rotates along its axis?

You must be crazy after reading the Sun is moving then still see the Earth revolving around. The Earth is still and you never feel it move.


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Godhatesodomy:
You must be crazy after reading the Sun is moving then still see the Earth revolving around. The Earth is still and you never feel it move.


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All your points are baseless. You need to look yourself in mirror. I think your head is not correct

All the Abrahamic religious text are fake, false and counterintuitive.

joyandfaith:
people who have nothing to prove their points beyond reasonable doubts result to insults

its resort not result. You have nothing to prove

EMILO2STAY:
its resort not result. You have nothing to prove

thank for the correction. if you understand flat earth theory, try to discredit 20 points I raised. but since you have nothing to prove but to insult

Amujale:
All the Abrahamic religious text are fake, false and counterintuitive.

What make Bible fake or false or counterintuitive. if you want to discredit something, lay down your points.

abbeg:
LOL .
its really funny how you think you just did something there!!
Does earth have up and down? Can you prove to me that Australia is at the bottom of earth? I've said this over and over, SPACE HAS NO UP OR DOWN and all you can come up with is "you don't know what you're saying". It's like I should just copy that statement so I can just paste it whenever you bring up that ridiculous argument.
Talking to you is like talking to a brick wall.

Bros go and understand how space works before coming to question it please.

you are not bringing anything new to the table go and rest. I will take you serious untill you can show me one experiment that proves relativity.

joyandfaith:
thank for the correction. if you understand flat earth theory, try to discredit 20 points I raised. but since you have nothing to prove but to insult

your 20 points is not new and have been debunked. Bring something new and I will take take you serious. You don't even know anything in some of the so called points you raised.

capitalzero:
All your points are baseless. You need to look yourself in mirror. I think your head is not correct

Troll.

joyandfaith:
thank for the correction. if you understand flat earth theory, try to discredit 20 points I raised. but since you have nothing to prove but to insult

Sir, pls relax!
Give OP some time to breath pls!
Him and his "proofs" have been under fire for too long! They're riddled with bullets!
At least give him sometime to come up with a new comeback!

"Go and sleep"

EMILO2STAY:
you are not bringing anything new to the table go and rest. I will take you serious untill you can show me one experiment that proves relativity.

OK. In return I want my HD picture of mt everest taken from calabar

Let's have two observers A & B. Put A in a train moving at 250mph. Let B stand next to the rails. When the train whizzes past B, he'll see a blur, indicating that the object that blew past him was moving quickly. But A inside the train will see a blur "move" past the train. Indicating that B is infact the one moving at 250mph.
This is relativity in a nutshell. We on earth see the sun "move" over us every day but if someone was observing from the sun for some reason he'll see the earth move over him everyday.

I want my picture.

abbeg:
OK. In return I want my HD picture of mt everest taken from calabar

Let's have two observers A & B. Put A in a train moving at 250mph. Let B stand next to the rails. When the train whizzes past B, he'll see a blur, indicating that the object that blew past him was moving quickly. But A inside the train will see a blur "move" past the train. Indicating that B is infact the one moving at 250mph.
This is relativity in a nutshell. We on earth see the sun "move" over us every day but if someone was observing from the sun for some reason he'll see the earth move over him everyday.

I want my picture.

very good you tried explaining relativity. But you know this does not apply to reality. If relativity was true I could claim that I am moving past many cars while standing at the bus stop on the express way, but you know this would be madness if I do so. Einstein who postulates this theory has never been to space neither did all the scientist who theorize about up and down being relative in space. In a nut shell there is no experiment conforming relativity. Till today it is still a baseless theory but ironically still taught as science fact.

So you see that what you believe is science fiction and a baseless lie. You can't point to on single experiment that proves relativity that is why you came up with that explanation of which if you should take that as true then you would be likened to a mad man.

Amujale:
All the Abrahamic religious text are fake, false and counterintuitive.

Greetings


Part of what you say is correct except the truth in the Bible, Quran and Torah including the Zohar are what the Egyptians taught the invading tribe of Dan. We took the sons, heirs to the throne and reared them until their fathers death. This is how the cave man, wild man, who had no knowledge gained it by studying in Egypt. This is why Hebrew comes from the Coptic Egyptian and is similar yet missing the Niger Congo rhythm, deeper meaning and authenticity. Egypt only the capital of Africa at the time its inner core was the Niger Congo where the Abrahimc beast didnt arrive until 16th century colonialization. By that time the African people the world over had went to sleep.


Slide 1


This show art depicting what early Abrahamic people looked like.

Slide 2

This shows the Cave Of The Patriarch an actual holy site where Abraham and other Canaanite cave men are buried.


They are not the same species as us although the aim has been historically to graft them into the Original race.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mz5LR7tB320





https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYyD3T9qOGY

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EMILO2STAY:
your 20 points is not new and have been debunked. Bring something new and I will take take you serious. You don't even know anything in some of the so called points you raised.

show me where it was debunked. you must be hallucinating. you people can believe anything

Godhatesodomy:
Greetings


Part of what you say is correct except the truth in the Bible, Quran and Torah including the Zohar are what the Egyptians taught the invading tribe of Dan. We took the sons, heirs to the throne and reared them until their fathers death. This is how the cave man, wild man, who had no knowledge gained it by studying in Egypt. This is why Hebrew comes from the Coptic Egyptian and is similar yet missing the Niger Congo rhythm, deeper meaning and authenticity. Egypt only the capital of Africa at the time its inner core was the Niger Congo where the Abrahimc beast didnt arrive until 16th century colonialization. By that time the African people the world over had went to sleep.


Slide 1


This show art depicting what early Abrahamic people looked like.

Slide 2

This shows the Cave Of The Patriarch an actual holy site where Abraham and other Canaanite cave men are buried.


They are not the same species as us although the aim has been historically to graft them into the Original race.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mz5LR7tB320





https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYyD3T9qOGY

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The Amarna Letters

The Habiru and the Amarna Letters

Debate began about the identity of the Habiru with the discovery of these letters from ancient Egypt. These tablets provided scholars with their initial impressions of the Habiru. However, over the last 100 years understanding of these people has changed with other, more ancient sources, coming to light.

These sources include the Mari texts (1750 B.C.E.), the Nuzi texts (1500 B.C.E.), sources from Alalakh and Ugarit (1350 B.C.E.), Hittite texts, the Amarna Letters from Canaan, written to Egyptian Pharaohs, and Egyptian sourcesthroughout the Late Bronze Age, particularly from the reigns of Amenhotep II and Seti I.

The Amarna Letters (1399 - 1300 B.C.E.)

Knowledge of the Habiru surfaced with the accidental discovery of a large collection of tablets in 1887. These documents were discovered in Egypt, by an Egyptian woman, who had stumbled upon a palace buried under sand. She found within one of the palatial rooms a group of cuneiform tablets. Most of the tablets were written using Akkadian cuneiform logograms.

Cuneiform is an ancient form of writing. Cuneiform was a hieroglyphic type writing style invented by the Sumerians, perhaps as early as 3000 B.C.E. The Akkadians subsequently derived their writing style from the Sumerians, thus the two languages shared many similarities.

The Amarna Letters were written by Canaanite scribes from Palestine, Phoenicia, and southern Syria, primarily using the Akkaddian cuneiform writing style.

These tablets were from Canaanite city-state rulers, written to the court of the Pharaoh in Egypt. They mostly date to the first half of the 14th century B.C.E. (1399-1350), and described military campaigns in Canaan.


The nature of the land of Canaan is one of unrest, being threatened by these Habiru tribes. The nature of the ancient Egypt government has also been brought into question. Were these Habiru a real threat to Egypt?

It would seem they were not. They were certainly a threat to the city-state vassals hundreds of miles away in Canaan. Some have used their presence to indicate Egypt's control on the area had lightened. Some Egyptian historians suggest ancient Egypt government was concerned with other affairs, and the land of Canaan was not a high priority. Much of the correspondence uncovered was addressed to Amenhotep III and his son, Akhnaton.

A few of the letters were addressed to Tutankhamen, the son-in-law of Akhnaton and his successor as Pharaoh. In the Amarna letters, the Habiru emerge as a familiar and distinct group of people. They are found throughout all of Canaan raiding and attacking local city-states - which amounts to fortified cities and the surrounding countryside. The Amarna Letters are complaints about the attacks, written from these city-state rulers to Pharaoh and asking Pharaoh for troops.

These people are identified most frequently using the Akkadian logogram SA.GAZ, however, in some letters the Akkadian word "Hapiru" is used. Rib-Addi, the governor of Byblos, wrote scathing letters about the Habiru to Pharaoh. This biased attitude against the Habiru was prevalent in the Amarna correspondence. These were, after all, the letters written from the kings which were under attack. 

One group of letters in particular interested scholars. These were sent by Er-Heba, the Egyptian ruler of Jerusalem. In his letters, he complains of the SA.GAZ, or Habiru, as attacking and raiding the Pharaoh's lands around Jerusalem.

Er-Heba's request is urgent, as he is adamant about the threat of losing Jerusalem to the Habiru. Oftentimes, Er-Heba opens his letters with the salutation: "I fall at the feet of my lord, the king, seven times and seven times."

He continues with the danger to Jerusalem.

"They have siezed the land of Rubute. The land of the king has fallen away to the Habiri. And now, even a city of the Jorusalem district, Bit-in-ib by name, a city of the king, has fallen away to the side of the people of Qeila. Let the king listen to Er-Heba, your servant, and send an army of archers that they might restore the land of the king to the king. For if there are no army of archers the land of the king will fall away to the Habiri."

Er-Heba's situation is such that he may have to hand over Jerusalem if the Pharaoh doesn't send help.

"Now shall we do as Lab'ayu, who gave the land of Shechem to the Apiru?"

Lab'ayu is mentioned in several letters. He was the acting ruler of Shechem, and the rival of Er-Heba for control over the hill country. It is significant to note that even before the establishment of the Israelites, Shechem and Jerusalem were in contention for control of the hill country of Canaan. Both sat astride important trade and travel routes.

The Habiru control Shechem. What is even more significant, is that Er-Heba makes the claim Shechem was handed over to the Apiru, one of multiple appellations used to describe the Habiru in the Amarna tablets. The fact that Habiru exercised some extent of control over Shechem in the 14th century is especially interesting when one takes into account the importance Shechem played in the early development of Israel.

It became a principle center of Hebrew worship, and in fact became the first capital of Israel. Military activity in southern Canaan during the 14th century has tantalized Biblical scholars, and Shechem's importance in the Amarna tablets imply a Hebrew/Habiru connection of some sort.

Lab'ayu seems to have sided with the Habiru, as is evident in a letter from Biridiya, prince of Megiddo.

"Now behold the two sons of Labaya have given their money to the SA.GAZ and to men of the land of Kashshi to make war against me."

An explanation is not given as to the identity of the Habiru, which leads one to the logical conclusion their existence in Canaan was already known.

No explanation was needed, because their identity was not new. They had already been established in Canaanite society. The Amarna Letters treat them as such, assuming their identity is known by the recipient of the correspondence.

THE AMARNA LETTERS

Tel Amarna Tablets

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Other letters from Rib-Addi imply a significant and long term Habiru presence in Canaan. One such letter was written to Amenhotep III. In part, it read:

"Since the return of your father from Sidon-from his days the land have been going over to the SA.GAZ."

This letter is an overt statement proving the Habiru resided in Canaan before the time of the Amarna tablets. They are referred to using many appellations; SA.GAZ, Habiru, Hapiri, Apiru, Apiri. The various names lend more credence to their prior existence, and as will be seen, are a result of their interactions with many of the different cultures and people in the ancient Near East.

Rib-Addi calls the land surrounding Byblos, "the land of the Amurru". The Amurru were also known as Amorites, a prominent people in the Old Testament. Their leader was Abdi-Ashirta, a rival of Rib-Addi. In other ancient sources, the Amurru are referred to using the logogram SA.GAZ. Abdi-Ashirta, prince of the Amurru people, was also referred to as SA.GAZ

Royal governors from all parts of Canaan complained of the SA.GAZ to Pharaoh. Zimridda, governor of Sidon, stated:

"All the cities that the king gave in my charge have gone over to the SA.GAZ."

Native rebels also seemed to have joined forces with the Habiru. In one letter, a local governor writes of the rebel troops and their activities with the Habiru.

"Its horses and its chariots they have given to the SA.GAZ."

It becomes evident that Habiru is used as a negative term in the Amarna Letters. They are portrayed as plundering the land, and shifting alliances from one kingdom to another, in exchange for provisions, food, and shelter.

From Sidon in the north, to Jerusalem in the south, and all lands in between, the Habiru made their presence known.

In fact, due to their destructive nature in Canaan, and the negative connotations in the Amarna Letters, the term began to apply to a wider range of people.

Written by loyalist vassals of Egypt, the Amarna Letters were produced in such a way as to portray the loyal Canaanite city-state rulers in the best possible light.

As a result of the political nature of the letters, the enemy had to be belittled, maligned, and portrayed in as disparaging a way as possible.

The Habiru were pictured as direct threats to Egyptian control, rebels, guilty of sedition.

Consequently, the term "Habiru", came to represent any threat to the Egyptian empire. Na'aman points out that in many of the letters, the phrase; "to become Habiru", is used.

This implies that to thwart Egyptian order and control, is to become a traitor, to cross over, and in essence, become Habiru, a rebel and guilty of sedition.

The Amarna Letters painted those in opposition to Egypt as outlaws, and to participate in rebellious activities was to cross over, or, to become as the Habiru.

However, not all the Habiru were involved in rebellion. Some remained loyal to the local governors. They were not a united group, with one political objective in mind.

They dwelt independently of one another, and some hired out as mercenaries to other kingdoms or rebel leaders.

Thus the overall view of the Habiru, as gleamed from the Amarna tablets, is one of a rebellious group of people.

The term is used in a negative fashion, and is associated with violence, law breaking, and sedition.

They were a negative element in society, responsible for upheaval and destruction. The tone used in these letters was one of reproach.

To be Habiru, in Egyptian court, was to be opposed to Egyptian rule, thus, a traitor, and subject to death.


Could the Amarna Letters be referring to Hebrews making war in Canaan, using the appellation of Habiru? Do you have insight into the Habiru? Share your expertise, comments, questions, and opinions on the Habiru / Hebrew connection! 

Study Resource

"The acknowledged master of these texts is William Moran, who produced a complete re-edition of the tablets, in French, in 1987. The Amarna Letters is a revised version of this, done into English. Open it, and hear these voices from a vanished empire speak after three and a half millennia." -- Times Literary Supplement






Greetings

The Amarna Letters named after the ruling family in Egypt very similar to the Ammonites Amorites Amuru that ruled in Babylon and the Americas royal lines.

This history shows the Cave Beast invasion of Egyptian colonies of Phonecians aka Canaanites.

Slide 3

A book about the early Habiru Hebrew depicting them as hybrids mixed complexion and having more Egyptian features rather of the Original race.




Slide 4

A Habiru Hebrew Military solider


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joyandfaith:
show me where it was debunked. you must be hallucinating. you people can believe anything

since you can't go through the flat earth thread, let me ask you what is the coriolis effect?

OP please answer these questions.

1. Why is the sun not shining on every country at the same, if the earth is flat.

2. Why dont find the edge( the flat end of the earth).

3. Which countries are close to any edge of the flat earth.

By now the "flat earthers" must have discovered the edges of the flat earth, so they can tell us what will happen to anyone that fall of the edge.
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OP please answer these questions.

1. Why is the sun not shining on every country at the same, if the earth is flat.

2. Why dont find the edge( the flat end of the earth).

3. Which countries are close to any edge of the flat earth.

By now the "flat earthers" must have discovered the edges of the flat earth, so they can tell us what will happen to anyone that fall of the edge.


The Sun can't be everywhere at once thus daylight some places night others. I'm in the US and the Sun set an hour ago. Yet its about 11 pm at night in Lagos. It's the next day in Japan and the Sun is up.



The land is in the middle surrounded by water. Then a ring of more land then a ring of more water.


There is no edge its an infinite plane.

EMILO2STAY:
very good you tried explaining relativity. But you know this does not apply to reality. If relativity was true I could claim that I am moving past many cars while standing at the bus stop on the express way, but you know this would be madness if I do so. Einstein who postulates this theory has never been to space neither did all the scientist who theorize about up and down being relative in space. In a nut shell there is no experiment conforming relativity. Till today it is still a baseless theory but ironically still taught as science fact.

So you see that what you believe is science fiction and a baseless lie. You can't point to on single experiment that proves relativity that is why you came up with that explanation of which of you should take that as true then you would be likened to a man.

Do you even understand what I'm trying to explain?
The sun appears to "move" to us observers on earth but it's not really moving. That's the whole point of that story. That is also what relativity is about. You should have noticed I used "move" in quote. Relativity just means what I'm noticing might be different from what ur noticing.
Like I said, go and learn about space.

[quote author=Godhatesodomy
The Sun can't be everywhere at once thus daylight some places night others. I'm in the US and the Sun set an hour ago. Yet its about 11 pm at night in Lagos. It's the next day in Japan and the Sun is up.



The land is in the middle surrounded by water. Then a ring of more land then a ring of more water.


There is no edge its an infinite plane.[/quote]If the sun is above the flat earth, it should shine upon all the earth at same.

The simple reason we put our small light bulb up in ours houses So the light from bulbs shines on every flight surface under it. If the earth is flat the sun the above the flat earth shine in the US at the time it shines in Lagos. Condering the land mass on earth and the size of the sun

Also, since you are in the US u should know that u can either travel to Australia either east ward or west, but with an infinite flat plane. Then u can only travel in one direction from Australia to US, otherwise it will be an infinite journey to travel to opposite direction.

The earth is an infinite flat plane?

[quote author=Od31 post=84974920][/quote]Nonsense. The Sun is only so big it can't light the entire Earth 24/7 and then there would be no night. They are partying in Lagos now because it's night. Lagos needs the night we need the night too.

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A lesson from history.

EMILO2STAY:
since you can't go through the flat earth thread, let me ask you what is the coriolis effect?

that is point number 10 out of 20. check my post and read slowly. I am very sure you did not bother to read 20 points I raised. you guys can believe everything without examining the facts careful. you have poor knowledge of geography and physics that is why you are spitting meconium. until you flat earthers explore our galaxy system and provide us with concrete proofs. I can sit down in my room and propose some theories and disseminate them through social media. some dumb will believe and will start following me.

joyandfaith:
that is point number 10 out of 20. check my post and read slowly. I am very sure you did not bother to read 20 points I raised. you guys can believe everything without examining the facts careful. you have poor knowledge of geography and physics that is why you are spitting meconium. until you flat earthers explore our galaxy system and provide us with concrete proofs. I can sit down in my room and propose some theories and disseminate them through social media. some dumb will believe and will start following me.

this is not the answer to the question if you want to debate like a human being answer me. I choose that question on purpose, if you know your onions in the globe earth model answer me, what is the coriolis effect let's start from there. Let me see if you have an idea of the questions you asked.

EMILO2STAY:
this is not the answer to the question if you want to debate like a human being answer me. I choose that question on purpose, if you know your onions in the globe earth model answer me, what is the coriolis effect let's start from there. Let me see if you have an idea of the questions you asked.

read point 10 in my post. if you cannot read, swerve.

EMILO2STAY:
this is not the answer to the question if you want to debate like a human being answer me. I choose that question on purpose, if you know your onions in the globe earth model answer me, what is the coriolis effect let's start from there. Let me see if you have an idea of the questions you asked.

read point 10 in my post. if you cannot read, swerve. I am done with you.

Sometimes, silence is the best way to win an argument.
Jorge P. Guerrero

abbeg:
Do you even understand what I'm trying to explain?
The sun appears to "move" to us observers on earth but it's not really moving. That's the whole point of that story. That is also what relativity is about. You should have noticed I used "move" in quote. Relativity just means what I'm noticing might be different from what ur noticing.
Like I said, go and learn about space.

point of correction the sun does not appear to move, the sun is actually moving over the flat face of the earth.
it is you who do not understand what your saying. if from the perspective of the sun the earth moves and from the perspective of the earth the sun moves then there is no way to determine which is really moving since the movement is relative to the observer. Go and get proper knowledge before you come to debate me, you have not said anything new I haven't heard before.

joyandfaith:
What make Bible fake or false or counterintuitive. if you want to discredit something, lay down your points.

The Christian bible is fake because its content aren't original.

False because its narratives are untrue.

And the Christian bible is counterintuitive due to the fact that the authors narratives goes against logic and common sense.

joyandfaith:
read point 10 in my post. if you cannot read, swerve. I am done with you.

Sometimes, silence is the best way to win an argument.
Jorge P. Guerrero

you came into the thread breathing fire and brimstone now one question you give up. This is why I never wanted to engage you especially. You should be the one doing the swerving.

EMILO2STAY:
you came into the thread breathing fire and brimstone now one question you give up. This is why I never wanted to engage you especially. You should be the one doing the swerving.

A long time ago people believed that the world is flat and the moon is made of green cheese. Some still do, to this day. The man on the moon is looking down and laughing.
Vera Nazarian