correctguy0900:


Why do u think the big bang is real? What is the proof that a balloon exploded, and all life and things just came to be? Thanks

Einstein has proven that there exists a relationship between energy and mass. Therefore, the big bang generated an enormous quantum of energy that produced the very set of mass, which resulted to what we have today. Of course, there are gaps in this theory but it offers alot of testable predictions. If you had basic understanding of quantum mechanics and relativity, you would agree.

How did the big bang started is a different issue. If we say it was God that started the big bag, then how did God begin?

NuissancePolice:


Everything started with the big bang. If it were god that started the big bang, then what explanation do you have do you have as to how God came to be?

The big bang offers a lot of testable predictions. It can be understood with quantum mechanics and relativity for a start. Do you have understanding of quantum mechanics, relativity or evolution?

If the Big Bang is to be taken serious, I suppose no life on earth would have survived! Don’t you think? What about the Steady State theory? These are mere assertions by physicists, mathematicians as well as astronomers!!

Whenever the Big Bang theory comes to play, evolution lacks its foundation Vice versa! You need to understand that’s why it’s referred to as a “THEORY”.

nairaman66:


If the Big Bang is to be taken serious, I suppose no life on earth would have survived! Don’t you think? What about the Steady State theory? These are mere assertions by physicists, mathematicians as well as astronomers!!

Whenever the Big Bang theory comes to play, evolution lacks its foundation Vice versa! You need to understand that’s why it’s referred to as a “THEORY”.

And the "God Theory" is not an assertion by creationists?

To start with, do you really understand relativity and the big bang?

NuissancePolice:


I believe in the big bang, evolution, quantum mechanics and relativity.

I believe in things that are real. God is not real.

Do you have a soul and a spirit? Can you see your soul and spirit? You can't, so does that mean you don't have a soul and a spirit? Your answer to my question will answer your question about God's existence!

worlexy:
Do you have a soul and a spirit? Can you see your soul and spirit? You can't, so does that mean you don't have a soul and a spirit? Your answer to my question will answer your question about God's existence!

Can you prove that we have a soul and a spirit?

NuissancePolice:


Can you prove that we have a soul and a spirit?

It's a bad manner to reply question with question, answer my question first and I will answer you

worlexy:
It's a bad manner to reply question with question, answer my question first and I will answer you

Saying that a soul or a spirit exists is a logical fallacy of appeal to ignorance. I cannot debate for or against something I don't believe exists. It is like debating for who the strongest person is between superman and hulk.

NuissancePolice:


Saying that a soul or a spirit exists is a logical fallacy of appealing to ignorance. I cannot debate for or against something I don't believe exists. It is like debating for who the strongest person is between superman and hulk.

In other words, you don't believe that you have a soul and a spirit. EOD.

But the fact that you refuse to believe that souls and spirits exist doesn't mean they don't.

The same science teaching you such has embraced the truth about such existence that's why they are focusing their researches on paranormal phenomenon .

Go on youTube and search for different videos of scientifically unexplainable paranormal phenomenon and tell me that spirits and souls don't exist!

worlexy:
In other words, you don't believe that you have a soul and a spirit. EOD.

But the fact that you refuse to believe that souls and spirits exist doesn't mean they don't.

The same science teaching you such has embraced the truth about such existence that's why they are focusing their researches on paranormal activities.

Go on youTube and search for different videos of scientifically unexplainable paranormal activities and tell me that spirits and souls don't exist!

There are also videos on youtube that says superman can beat hulk. Does that mean they exist?
If i post a video to youtube claiming I had supernatural visions, does that make it true?

There are also videos on youtube that disproves the existence of god. You may want to try some of those as well.

Again avoid all the fallacy of ignorance. Can you prove that a spirit or soul exists?

The simple and concise reply to this thread is, no thing came out of nothing.

And again, for objectivity purpose every thing that has certain specific shape or form has something behinds it construction.
To say human mind can fully understand why Allāh exist is beyond imagination.

Khaleell001:


The simple and concise reply to this thread is, no thing came out of nothing.

And again, for objectivity purpose every thing that has certain specific shape or form has something behinds it construction.
To say human mind can fully understand why Allāh exist is beyond imagination.

@bolded then how did God come to be?

I'm not convinced you know what a scientific theory means. You don't have to accept the big bang or theory of evolution as valid scientific frameworks, but don't go about saying the two are in conflict with each other without offering reasons why. I'll respond to you if I find what you say next to be interesting.

nairaman66:


If the Big Bang is to be taken serious, I suppose no life on earth would have survived! Don’t you think? What about the Steady State theory? These are mere assertions by physicists, mathematicians as well as astronomers!!

Whenever the Big Bang theory comes to play, evolution lacks its foundation Vice versa! You need to understand that’s why it’s referred to as a “THEORY”.

Thanks Nuissancepolice for the justice you have done to this discussion. What lots of the proponents of religion here fail to realize is that most of what they know about what they identify as God immediately crashes when they take out religion. It becomes an hypothesis that has no logical basis. Being able to isolate the concept of God and religion also helped me in bidding farewell to religion.

All what you know about your religion was passed to you by someone that offered you no proof. The only thing they did was to also present you with a holy book that was definitely written by humans that contains knowledge that can't stand in the face of logical reasoning and modern discoveries. You don't question them but you can question the believes of other religions that have exactly the same model as yours with no logical background but just different contents. You see the irony?

You find it difficult to accept "I don't know yet" as a satisfactory answer but prefer to insert non-testable answers like "God created the universe, humans and the likes" in so so manner because someone wrote a book that says so in no-testable manner. Rather than go with scientific knowledge whose process was also used to develop the medicinal knowledge we have today that is far better than whatever your religion has to offer in terms of healing. The same process that was studied to bring about all the technology you see around you including the phones or laptop you are currently typing with.

One doesn't even need to understand the concepts of big bang, evolution, relativity and the likes before you understand that most of the religions you see around you can't stand in a modern society. Religions that encourages and outlines how to carry out slavery, religions that justifies killings of people that don't accept your religion and you fail to see that those that bring this up were not inspired by a divine being like they falsely claim rather motivated by their selfish interests. A religion that claims its early founders performed miracles publicly but are always quick to evade being asked to perform similar miracles today in public glare. How don't you see that these things are made up? Just how?

NuissancePolice:


There are also videos on youtube that says superman can beat hulk. Does that mean they exist?
If i post a video to youtube claiming I had supernatural visions, does that make it true?

There are also videos on youtube that disproves the existence of god. You may want to try some of those as well.

Again avoid all the fallacy of ignorance. Can you prove that a spirit or soul exists?

You've said that you that have a soul or spirit. I have nothing more to say to you.

FYI : the YouTube videos I asked you to watch are not random videos posted by amateurs, I mean scientific documentaries on paranormal phenomenon.

I know you're aware that such exists but you've chosen to believe in yourself ignorance and in what your mind is fixated on. That's one thing I love about this life, you will always find something to defend your rationalization or irrationalization. Just like in the Nigerian movie Figurine

Denying God's existence doesn't diminish his powers or influence, God has nothing to lose, you have all to lose and you may end up be consumed by your ignorance

NuissancePolice:


Light travels at an amazing speed of 3.0 × 10Exp08 m/s. If by any means it were possible that an entity was travelling at that speed, it would be impossivle to capture it. What was likely seen was just an astronomical body from outer space.

it wasn’t an astronomical video, they were angels. What I meant by speed of light is that they flew from one continent to the other in milliseconds..

Mitocyan:

Hahaha, this is sarcasm right? Even 5 year old kids around here would feel this is a scene from a movie and not real life.

who’s talking about sarcasm here. Even if I don’t watch any video I believe God exist so go and sit down.

worlexy:
You've said that you that have a soul or spirit. I have nothing more to say to you.

FYI : the YouTube videos I asked you to watch are not random posted by amateurs, I mean scientific documentaries on paranormal phenomenon.

I know you're aware that such exists but you've chosen to believe in yourself ignorance and in what your mind is fixated on.

Denying God's existence doesn't diminish his powers or influence, God has nothing to lose, you have all to lose and you may end up be consumed by your ignorance

Point out where I explicitly or by implication state that I have or believe I have a soul or spirit? The weed you smoked must be a very good brand

OKOATA:
it wasn’t an astronomical video, they were angels. What I meant by speed of light is that they flew from one continent to the other in milliseconds..

Whatever it was will not detract from the material facts. Who captured it? Care to share a link to the video?

NuissancePolice:


Whatever it was will not detract from the material facts. Who captured it? Care to share a link to the video?

The astronaut guy was saying it specifically in the video that these are angels of God and the guy a black American in space was saying “This is what NASA won’t let you see, this is what the Americans govt won’t let you see “ I can’t find the video on YouTube again. I can bet my life that these things were angels bro. If Iie make everything I de look for make I no find am. In fact am still looking for the video but it’s been removed and I don’t have it anymore. Don’t know how it got deleted .

OKOATA:
The astronaut guy was saying it specifically in the video that these are angels of God and the guy a black American in space was saying “This is what NASA won’t let you see, this is what the Americans govt won’t let you see “ I can’t find the video on YouTube again. I can bet my life that these things were angels bro. If Iie make everything I de look for make I no find am. In fact am still looking for the video but it’s been removed and I don’t have it anymore. Don’t know how it got deleted .

I don't understand. Why are videos that could prove the supernatural always deleted?

NuissancePolice:


I don't understand. Why are videos that could prove the supernatural always deleted?

Bro the video have been removed, it’s the realest video and not some video shopped nonsense. It’s been removed by the USA govt I suppose. If demons can be real, can’t angels be real? Demons and angels are so hard to see so definitely how do you expect to see God? So for those who don’t believe in God why do people believe in spirituality then?

NuissancePolice:


I don't understand. Why are videos that could prove the supernatural always deleted?

Don’t know why it got deleted, had it in my formal comp, but you can check more on YouTube and see angels and even demons caught on cam. If demons and angels can be real why can’t God be in existence then.

OKOATA:
Bro the video have been removed, it’s the realest video and not some video shopped nonsense. It’s been removed by the USA govt I suppose. If demons can be real, can’t angels be real? Demons and angels are so hard to see so definitely how do you expect to see God? So for those who don’t believe in God why do people believe in spirituality then?

The image you posted looks interesting. Care to share a link to where you got it from?

pes2019:
If one doesn't believe in God, what belief does such have.
One must believe in sth, I want to know what it is?

Why must one believe in something? Why can one not live without believing in something?

NuissancePolice:


I have never seen any single miracle by anyone but I have heard claims of people receiving miracles. A few of my friends claimed to have had supernatural encounters but I later discovered they were lies. Infact the most recent one was medically treated of the hallucinations he earlier had purported to be visions. Also, I have witnessed people testifying that their stomach pain, chest pain etc got miraculously healed (things that are not visible) but in the same assembly, people with broken leg, proven cases of paralysis, blindness, burns and other things that could be physically verified not get cured. I honestly wish I could find any iota of sense in what you wrote as all I can see is one who is so entangled in indoctrination.

Although you did not touch any of the 10 issues that was the original aim of the thread, I nevertheless appreciate your engagment with the thread.

Lol. I’m telling you what I’ve seen happen, not third party information. It was something I saw my own eyes. You are not omniscience so you cannot know what’s happening everywhere. Your own experience is your experience and I don’t have the fact to call it a lie but it’s laughable the length you’d go to rubbish someone else experience.

You say indoctrination and I laugh. I’ll keep repeating it, most of you really don’t understand what Christianity is all about and it’s amusing to watch as you try to rubbish what you don’t understand.

I said ask your question one after the other and I will respond. I thought the subject matter we are discussing is part of the questions you raised in your OP?

bobowaja:

Prove that he does exist. You can't just tell me to believe you have a ring on your finger without showing me.

We can do this all day you know.

It seems you just want to keep going in circles. I sincerely don’t have that time.

There are thousands of records that support the facts that Jesus truly existed and at a certain time was crucified on the cross.

pes2019:
If one doesn't believe in God, what belief does such have.
One must believe in sth, I want to know what it is?

if you want to believe in something, believe in yourself

LordReed2nd:


Why must one believe in something? Why can one not live without believing in something?

This is exactly the actual religious problem of Africans...


You must believe in something

Much of life may seem uncertain, but look at what we can count on day after day: gravity remains consistent, a hot cup of coffee left on a counter will get cold, the earth rotates in the same 24 hours, and the speed of light doesn't change -- on earth or in galaxies far from us.

Did God design the laws of the universe - Photo of mathematical equations on a blackboard to illustrate the mathematical consistency of natural laws.How is it that we can identify laws of nature that never change? Why is the universe so orderly, so reliable?

"The greatest scientists have been struck by how strange this is. There is no logical necessity for a universe that obeys rules, let alone one that abides by the rules of mathematics. This astonishment springs from the recognition that the universe doesn't have to behave this way. It is easy to imagine a universe in which conditions change unpredictably from instant to instant, or even a universe in which things pop in and out of existence.

Richard Feynman, a Nobel Prize winner for quantum electrodynamics, said, "Why nature is mathematical is a mystery...The fact that there are rules at all is a kind of miracle.

larride:


It seems you just want to keep going in circles. I sincerely don’t have that time.

There are thousands of records that support the facts that Jesus truly existed and at a certain time was crucified on the cross.

Ok does that also mean he had virgin birth? Does that also prove he performed outlandish miracles and does that prove that he rose from the dead? Does that prove that he raised Lazarus from the dead?

larride:


It seems you just want to keep going in circles. I sincerely don’t have that time.

There are thousands of records that support the facts that Jesus truly existed and at a certain time was crucified on the cross.

Let me make it more clearer.
When people came with news of apl. We collectively asked them to provide proof.

Can you provide few of the thousands of records you re talking about.

Shadon007:
Much of life may seem uncertain, but look at what we can count on day after day: gravity remains consistent, a hot cup of coffee left on a counter will get cold, the earth rotates in the same 24 hours, and the speed of light doesn't change -- on earth or in galaxies far from us.

Did God design the laws of the universe - Photo of mathematical equations on a blackboard to illustrate the mathematical consistency of natural laws.How is it that we can identify laws of nature that never change? Why is the universe so orderly, so reliable?

"The greatest scientists have been struck by how strange this is. There is no logical necessity for a universe that obeys rules, let alone one that abides by the rules of mathematics. This astonishment springs from the recognition that the universe doesn't have to behave this way. It is easy to imagine a universe in which conditions change unpredictably from instant to instant, or even a universe in which things pop in and out of existence.

Richard Feynman, a Nobel Prize winner for quantum electrodynamics, said, "Why nature is mathematical is a mystery...The fact that there are rules at all is a kind of miracle.

By miracle. I'm sure he meant this figuratively not literally.